Kobe's Low B-Ball IQ is being exposed badly now his athleticism's gone

[TrueBlue89]

I still cannot believe he's chucking 3's like he's Steph Curry and settling on long range jumpers game in game out like he's in his twenties again.

High IQ players like Duncan, Kidd, Manu, Jordan, Magic, Dirk were all able to adapt while the so called most fundamentally sound & skilled player of all time is a liability and detriment to his team right now. :lol

Wizards MJ lived on the post and paint while Kobe's taking 10 3's a game.

[oh the horror]

Wizard's Jordan had the benefit of those years off and didn't tear his Achilles. I think Kobe isn't capable of the turnaround anymore because of the legs being shot and that injury. I think he settles for long range because he isn't capable of blowing by defenders anymore frequently and backing them down.



That injury should have retired him man.

[WorldWarriors]

I still cannot believe he's chucking 3's like he's Steph Curry and settling on long range jumpers game in game out like he's in his twenties again.

High IQ players like Duncan, Kidd, Manu, Jordan, Magic, Dirk were all able to adapt while the so called most fundamentally sound & skilled player of all time is a liability and detriment to his team right now. :lol

Wizards MJ lived on the post and paint while Kobe's taking 10 3's a game.

Kobe has been doing this for 20 years. 20 years!!!

He is not going to change now. Someone will have to sit him down and tell him he needs to take a backseat to the young guys.

They will never develop any chemistry with him on the court playing the way he does. Sad to see him go out like this. He has no self recognition whatsoever.

Kareem said if he has the self respect to think he can play and contribute then more power to him. But if he doesn't actually have that self respect then he needs to move to the side lines. Not the exact quote but I think I got it right for the most part.

[riseagainst]

we all know Kobe is an average all star level player who had the benefit of his front court to cover for his mistakes so people wouldn't complain since Lakers would win games. But now that he's older and without a dominant front court he's being exposed.

[outbreak]

Eh he just shouldn't be out there. Should have retired. He has a very high bball IQ he just doesn't have the energy or effort to take it inside when the team is this bad. Can you blame him?

[Real Men Wear Green]

You can't become the kind of scorer Bryant became if you don't have a great understanding of the game. That's ridiculous. Bryant knew things like exactly where he needed to plant his feet on turn-around fadeaway to ensure that when he is spinning around and jumping backwards in the air he maximizes the chances that the shot goes in. Stuff that most players never really think about as to them the shots Bryant was mastering would just be bad shots that would get them benched by the coach. Bryant was and is a basketball genius, a fact that shouldn't have to be stated, it should be obvious.

The reasons why Bryant is struggling the way he's struggling are age and injury (should also be obvious). Please tell me which player in NBA history was not significantly worse than their peak self by the time they hit 37? And then you throw in the 2 or 3 season-ending injuries in a row. Every time an athlete suffers a major injury it changes the way a part of their body works. And it changes it for the worse. For a guy like Bryant that had finely-tuned skills that's catastrophic. And then you throw in the natural loss of athleticism that happens to a guy that's played 1,284 games so that now he can't explode past or leap over defenders the way he could when he was a dominant player and he's going to have a hard time scoring.

The ability to score like few players in the history of the game is the reason why Bryant made the NBA to begin with. To outside observers it may seem like it's simple: "You aren't a great player anymore, just be a spot-up shooter and defer to teammates." But if he had that kind of "reasonable" mentality he'd never have become the great player that he became. It's his nature, his basketball DNA. And as dumb as giving him that deal may have been, you don't pay a guy 25 mil per thinking he's going to be a roleplayer. It's not stupidity, it's nature.

Peyton Manning has fallen off greatly, but would anyone ever say he doesn't understand football? Of course not, it would be silly. Same principle applies.

[westsideozzie]

we all know Kobe is an average all star level player who had the benefit of his front court to cover for his mistakes so people wouldn't complain since Lakers would win games. But now that he's older and without a dominant front court he's being exposed.


CHURCH!! Lamar Odom, Bynum, and Gasol were the reason he got those last two rings. He is an unrepentant chucker!

[Pointguard]

You can't become the kind of scorer Bryant became if you don't have a great understanding of the game. That's ridiculous. Bryant knew things like exactly where he needed to plant his feet on turn-around fadeaway to ensure that when he is spinning around and jumping backwards in the air he maximizes the chances that the shot goes in. Stuff that most players never really think about as to them the shots Bryant was mastering would just be bad shots that would get them benched by the coach. Bryant was and is a basketball genius, a fact that shouldn't have to be stated, it should be obvious.

Kobe got good coaches fired to get to bad ones. He wasn't going to get benched for bad shots anymore than he is going to get reprimanded for chasing away the future of his organization, or thinking he's the point guard after the team lured Nash. He was never a genius, lets be for real. I could honor smart, at times, and tenacious with just bad judgement, but genuis, naaaah, leave that for Bird and Magic.

As far as the foot thing you mention above you can pick that up on the thousands of Jordan tapes easily, and we know he did that.

[DaOldLion]

Kobe got good coaches fired to get to bad ones. He wasn't going to get benched for bad shots anymore than he is going to get reprimanded for chasing away the future of his organization, or thinking he's the point guard after the team lured Nash. He was never a genius, lets be for real. I could honor smart, at times, and tenacious with just bad judgement, but genuis, naaaah, leave that for Bird and Magic.

As far as the foot thing you mention above you can pick that up on the thousands of Jordan tapes easily, and we know he did that.

what good coach did Kobe get fired?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[IllegalD]

CHURCH!! Lamar Odom, Bynum, and Gasol were the reason he got those last two rings. He is an unrepentant chucker!

Bynum barely played and was a non factor in those 3 finals appearances.

Nice revisionist history, retard :lol

[DaOldLion]

Bynum barely played and was a non factor in those 3 finals appearances.

Nice revisionist history, retard :lol

Bynum carrying the team with those 6 points and 4 rebounds per game :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ralph_i_el]

You can't become the kind of scorer Bryant became if you don't have a great understanding of the game. That's ridiculous. Bryant knew things like exactly where he needed to plant his feet on turn-around fadeaway to ensure that when he is spinning around and jumping backwards in the air he maximizes the chances that the shot goes in. Stuff that most players never really think about as to them the shots Bryant was mastering would just be bad shots that would get them benched by the coach. Bryant was and is a basketball genius, a fact that shouldn't have to be stated, it should be obvious.

The reasons why Bryant is struggling the way he's struggling are age and injury (should also be obvious). Please tell me which player in NBA history was not significantly worse than their peak self by the time they hit 37? And then you throw in the 2 or 3 season-ending injuries in a row. Every time an athlete suffers a major injury it changes the way a part of their body works. And it changes it for the worse. For a guy like Bryant that had finely-tuned skills that's catastrophic. And then you throw in the natural loss of athleticism that happens to a guy that's played 1,284 games so that now he can't explode past or leap over defenders the way he could when he was a dominant player and he's going to have a hard time scoring.

The ability to score like few players in the history of the game is the reason why Bryant made the NBA to begin with. To outside observers it may seem like it's simple: "You aren't a great player anymore, just be a spot-up shooter and defer to teammates." But if he had that kind of "reasonable" mentality he'd never have become the great player that he became. It's his nature, his basketball DNA. And as dumb as giving him that deal may have been, you don't pay a guy 25 mil per thinking he's going to be a roleplayer. It's not stupidity, it's nature.

Peyton Manning has fallen off greatly, but would anyone ever say he doesn't understand football? Of course not, it would be silly. Same principle applies.
:applause:

[KendrickPerkins]

Isn't it ironic?

The guy that's supposed to be the most skilled player ever and a basketball savant (albeit that's just according to his retarded stans) is actually not really that skilled and his decision making is WOAT level bad.

I never understood what peolple meant when they said Kobe is skilled. Why? He's always been an inconsistent shooter, his ball handling and passing isn't on LeBron's level, actually not even close. He does have good footwork in the post but he's a ****ing guard who can't shoot, so who cares?

Other than that, where are these skills that are supposed to make him an elite player even after his athleticism is no longer there?

I just see a dude who shoudn't have a job and that is stealing 25 million away from a franchise based on championships he was carried to when he was younger.

The Lakers are a ****ing mess and I love every second of it.

[Pointguard]

what good coach did Kobe get fired?

:oldlol: :oldlol:
My bad, I should have qualified that, good for Lebron to win with. Kobe needs a great coach.
:lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

Kobe got good coaches fired to get to bad ones. He wasn't going to get benched for bad shots anymore than he is going to get reprimanded for chasing away the future of his organization, or thinking he's the point guard after the team lured Nash. He was never a genius, lets be for real. I could honor smart, at times, and tenacious with just bad judgement, but genuis, naaaah, leave that for Bird and Magic. Which coach did Bryant get fired? The only guy he is rumored to have done that to is Mike Brown, and he wasn't "good" in LA. He did play a distributor role for a time alongside Nash. So? Nash was nowhere near being the player he had been at his peak and it wasn't a bad offense. Kobe Bryant analyzed the game and then developed his game to be one of the greatest scorers of all time. That's brilliance, whether you choose to respect it or not. His long list of career accomplishments has validated his approach.


As far as the foot thing you mention above you can pick that up on the thousands of Jordan tapes easily, and we know he did that.If it's so easy why don't more players do it? You continue to trivialize the accomplishments of an all-time great. Any high school point guard can watch a video and mimic the UTEP two-step. Doesn't make them Tim Hardaway. Not that Kobe was Jordan, he wasn't, but he made the fadeaway an effective part of his arsenal of moves. He has a genius-level understanding of basketball.

[90sgoat]

Fact is that players who always shoot high jump shots don't age well. It's because they shoot too low an arch when they lose their jump. You saw it with MJ who had a very flat arch on Wizards and you saw it with Ray Allen who really didn't shoot well later on.

Don't know why Kobe is not able to understand this, he really should be self aware enough to take a step back if he wants to keep playing. On the other hand, no one really gives Duncan more credit for his role player ring nor do people remember Manu as a greater player for coming off the bench.

He should have retired after his achilles injury with his 2 rings fresh in memory. Go out on top.

[JT123]

Isn't it ironic?

The guy that's supposed to be the most skilled player ever and a basketball savant (albeit that's just according to his retarded stans) is actually not really that skilled and his decision making is WOAT level bad.

I never understood what peolple meant when they said Kobe is skilled. Why? He's always been an inconsistent shooter, his ball handling and passing isn't on LeBron's level, actually not even close. He does have good footwork in the post but he's a ****ing guard who can't shoot, so who cares?

Other than that, where are these skills that are supposed to make him an elite player even after his athleticism is no longer there?

I just see a dude who shoudn't have a job and that is stealing 25 million away from a franchise based on championships he was carried to when he was younger.

The Lakers are a ****ing mess and I love every second of it.
:applause:

[Levity]

, or thinking he's the point guard after the team lured Nash.


cmon, if youre going to rewrite history, at least make sure there arent posters around that know exactly what happened.

Nash had the reigns to the team as early as the season opener against dallas. he played decent, but was still adjusting to his new team and a supposed good pnr big man in dwight, who was recovering from back surgery, and couldnt catch or roll to save his life. result, a shitty loss

game 2, against portland, nash started to look pretty good. developed a nice high pnr game with gasol, but by the 2nd quarter, took a knee to the shin from lillard and missed the next month (?)

upon his return, he just couldnt do much on the ball anymore. had trouble beating his man, even with a screen, and every other game, some sort of injury occured. during all this time, kobe still preached that nash should be the main ball handler for the team, in fact, he was exited about not having to initiate the offense (similar to quotes hes said about russel), but nashs body couldnt take that kind of game anymore. resulting in changing his role to an off ball player, which he was surprisingly good at (thanks to his terrific shooting) and kobe taking that facilitator role, that wowed fans and haters.

[IGOTGAME]

You can't become the kind of scorer Bryant became if you don't have a great understanding of the game. That's ridiculous. Bryant knew things like exactly where he needed to plant his feet on turn-around fadeaway to ensure that when he is spinning around and jumping backwards in the air he maximizes the chances that the shot goes in. Stuff that most players never really think about as to them the shots Bryant was mastering would just be bad shots that would get them benched by the coach. Bryant was and is a basketball genius, a fact that shouldn't have to be stated, it should be obvious.

The reasons why Bryant is struggling the way he's struggling are age and injury (should also be obvious). Please tell me which player in NBA history was not significantly worse than their peak self by the time they hit 37? And then you throw in the 2 or 3 season-ending injuries in a row. Every time an athlete suffers a major injury it changes the way a part of their body works. And it changes it for the worse. For a guy like Bryant that had finely-tuned skills that's catastrophic. And then you throw in the natural loss of athleticism that happens to a guy that's played 1,284 games so that now he can't explode past or leap over defenders the way he could when he was a dominant player and he's going to have a hard time scoring.

The ability to score like few players in the history of the game is the reason why Bryant made the NBA to begin with. To outside observers it may seem like it's simple: "You aren't a great player anymore, just be a spot-up shooter and defer to teammates." But if he had that kind of "reasonable" mentality he'd never have become the great player that he became. It's his nature, his basketball DNA. And as dumb as giving him that deal may have been, you don't pay a guy 25 mil per thinking he's going to be a roleplayer. It's not stupidity, it's nature.

Peyton Manning has fallen off greatly, but would anyone ever say he doesn't understand football? Of course not, it would be silly. Same principle applies.
End thread.

[oarabbus]

The reasons why Bryant is struggling the way he's struggling are age and injury (should also be obvious). Please tell me which player in NBA history was not significantly worse than their peak self by the time they hit 37? And then you throw in the 2 or 3 season-ending injuries in a row. Every time an athlete suffers a major injury it changes the way a part of their body works. And it changes it for the worse. For a guy like Bryant that had finely-tuned skills that's catastrophic. And then you throw in the natural loss of athleticism that happens to a guy that's played 1,284 games so that now he can't explode past or leap over defenders the way he could when he was a dominant player and he's going to have a hard time scoring.



Duncan 17/10

Paul Pierce (definitely worse, but still able to hit daggers and game winners in the playoffs)

Karl Malone (definitely a far cry from his peak, but still averaging 25/10)

Nash 12/10

KAJ (still was able to average 21/7)

Stockton (averaged 14/10)

Moses Malone 15/10

Pat Ewing 22/10

Hakeem 23/10

Shaq 17/8 (quite a drop, definitely)

Reggie 17ppg

Robert Parish (15/10)

Bird (0/0/0 - but at 36 he put up 20/10/7 :eek:)

Havlicek (17/5/5 on 45% and significantly less MPG than his peak)


Now sure some of those guys may have peaked significantly higher than the stats above when they were 37... but these guys were more than just SOLID, they were almost beasting at 37. compare to Kobe...

....



Kobe: 15/4 on 32% :eek: (small sample size, he may yet turn it around)


Obviously Kobe is a legend, and one of the most skilled players of all time unlike Troll OP is trying to say.

But to act like NOBODY is good at 37? Nope, all the other legends for the most part held up WAY better than Kobe.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Nash was still an all-star at 37, scoring was low at 12.5 PPG but he was still shooting 53/39/89 and racking up 10.7 APG. He actually posted the highest eFG% of his career that year, 4th highest TS%.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Duncan 17/10

Paul Pierce (definitely worse, but still able to hit daggers and game winners in the playoffs)

Karl Malone (definitely a far cry from his peak, but still averaging 25/10)

KAJ (still was able to average 21/7)

Stockton (averaged 14/10)

Reggie 17ppg

Robert Parish (15/10)

Bird (0/0/0 - but at 36 he put up 20/10/7 :eek:)

Havlicek (17/5/5 on 45% and significantly less MPG than his peak)


Now sure some of those guys may have peaked significantly higher than the stats above when they were 37... but these guys were more than just SOLID, they were almost beasting at 37. compare to Kobe...

....



Kobe: 15/4 on 32% :eek:
So, all of the guys you listed other than Malone and maybe Parish had major decline. Throw in that Bryant had three consecutive seasons where his season was ended by an injury and I really don't see what you're expecting out of Bryant. Old players with a lot of injury decline. That's nature.

[catch24]

^I don't think any of those guys had the mileage Kobe had. Save for Kareem and possibly Malone. Not only that, but Kobe had 2 career-ending injuries.

I hope that Kobe can turn his play around, but dude just looks awful out there. I've also seen him adjust his "role" a number of times (first threepeat lakers, binge scoring in 2006-2007, all-around play in 2008, and playing PG in 2013), but his athleticism has totally faded. He has no lift and wears down FAST because of all the minutes he's played.

[HOoopCityJones]

So much disrespect for Kobe in his twilight.

Let's hope some of you are half as kind to Lebron.

[dubeta]

So much disrespect for Kobe in his twilight.

Let's hope some of you are half as kind to Lebron.

I doubt LeBron would still demand all the shots, demand max salary, demand all the attention, chuck bad shots, run every free agent out of town, b*tch to the media, talk smack to the younger players, stunt player development, hijack the offense, stop playing defense, give 0 effort, not accept a lesser role, and overall destroy team chemistry when he is 37


Noone is making fun of Kobe declining, the issue is that Kobe is literally cancerous to the Lakers right now, in ways no player in NBA History was ever.

[DaOldLion]

Duncan 17/10

Paul Pierce (definitely worse, but still able to hit daggers and game winners in the playoffs)

Karl Malone (definitely a far cry from his peak, but still averaging 25/10)

Nash 12/10

KAJ (still was able to average 21/7)

Stockton (averaged 14/10)

Moses Malone 15/10

Pat Ewing 22/10

Hakeem 23/10

Shaq 17/8 (quite a drop, definitely)

Reggie 17ppg

Robert Parish (15/10)

Bird (0/0/0 - but at 36 he put up 20/10/7 :eek:)

Havlicek (17/5/5 on 45% and significantly less MPG than his peak)


Now sure some of those guys may have peaked significantly higher than the stats above when they were 37... but these guys were more than just SOLID, they were almost beasting at 37. compare to Kobe...

....



Kobe: 15/4 on 32% :eek: (small sample size, he may yet turn it around)


Obviously Kobe is a legend, and one of the most skilled players of all time unlike Troll OP is trying to say.

But to act like NOBODY is good at 37? Nope, all the other legends for the most part held up WAY better than Kobe.

Shaq was averaging 12/7 at 37, Duncan was at 15/9, Hakeem was at 10/6, Ewing was at 15/10, Reggie was at 12 ppg..

why do you feel the need to lie so much? :biggums: :biggums:

[DaOldLion]

you lied about almost every single on of the stats :oldlol: :oldlol:

[DaOldLion]

Moses was averaging 5/4 at 37

[theoneneo]

I love Kobe, my favorite player ever(and I don't mean that in a troll way)

But he should have retired after the achilles tear. It would have been so fitting and legendary for a guy like him to go out like that, with the year the Lakers were having(I know the achilles tear sucked but just from a mythological perspective)

Tears his achilled carrying that team into the playoffs, retires with 5 rings, over 30k points, top 10 all time confirmed, all the sympathy boost he would ave gotten.

He's still capable of averaging 20, and I believe he will by seasons end but it won't matter at all. Hopefully the Lakers suck badly and get another top 3 pick(they got no other choice)

[dubeta]

I love Kobe, my favorite player ever(and I don't mean that in a troll way)

But he should have retired after the achilles tear. It would have been so fitting and legendary for a guy like him to go out like that, with the year the Lakers were having(I know the achilles tear sucked but just from a mythological perspective)

Tears his achilled carrying that team into the playoffs, retires with 5 rings, over 30k points, top 10 all time confirmed, all the sympathy boost he would ave gotten.

He's still capable of averaging 20, and I believe he will by seasons end but it won't matter at all. Hopefully the Lakers suck badly and get another top 3 pick(they got no other choice)

Lol sneaking into the playoffs with Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Asrtest, Steve Nash would be a legendary ending? :wtf:

[Jacks3]

the guy is air balling wide-open threes. that's not low IQ. that's just his legs being completely shot.

[JellyBean]

I still cannot believe he's chucking 3's like he's Steph Curry and settling on long range jumpers game in game out like he's in his twenties again.

High IQ players like Duncan, Kidd, Manu, Jordan, Magic, Dirk were all able to adapt while the so called most fundamentally sound & skilled player of all time is a liability and detriment to his team right now. :lol

Wizards MJ lived on the post and paint while Kobe's taking 10 3's a game.

WT? Kobe has a high basketball IQ. Kobe has shot 3 pointers all of his career. Some good/some bad. He is a shooter. His four games this year, he did get a little crazy with the 3 ball against the Wolves (3-13ish) but for the most part, he his getting his normal 4-8 3 point FGA. That is his normal groove.

High IQ players like Duncan, Kidd, Manu, Jordan, Magic, & Dirk, all struggled as well as they got older, suffered an injury, or missed practice or a season. They didn't adapt. They got into a steady rhythm an improved. Kobe will get into that rhythm.

[JT123]

I doubt LeBron would still demand all the shots, demand max salary, demand all the attention, chuck bad shots, run every free agent out of town, b*tch to the media, talk smack to the younger players, stunt player development, hijack the offense, stop playing defense, give 0 effort, not accept a lesser role, and overall destroy team chemistry when he is 37


Noone is making fun of Kobe declining, the issue is that Kobe is literally cancerous to the Lakers right now, in ways no player in NBA History was ever.
PREACH. :cheers:

[Lebron23]

https://twitter.com/DeionGottaSTFU/status/662108495513276416

[Straight_Ballin]

Kobe doing more after 20 years in than bron will ever be able to do at 20 years in.

[Pointguard]

Which coach did Bryant get fired? The only guy he is rumored to have done that to is Mike Brown, and he wasn't "good" in LA. He did play a distributor role for a time alongside Nash. So? Nash was nowhere near being the player he had been at his peak and it wasn't a bad offense. Kobe Bryant analyzed the game and then developed his game to be one of the greatest scorers of all time. That's brilliance, whether you choose to respect it or not. His long list of career accomplishments has validated his approach.
I don't doubt his greatness or belittle his accomplishments which were indeed great... but if you are calling him a genius, you have ruined a right word for Bird and Magic.


If it's so easy why don't more players do it? You continue to trivialize the accomplishments of an all-time great. Any high school point guard can watch a video and mimic the UTEP two-step. Doesn't make them Tim Hardaway. Not that Kobe was Jordan, he wasn't, but he made the fadeaway an effective part of his arsenal of moves. He has a genius-level understanding of basketball.
One move isn't equivalent to being a genius in anything. I don't know of one offensive player that doesn't have one? And most players shoot better from the field than Kobe does. Kobe is an all time great in scoring but genius is for the players who are moves ahead of the whole defense. That can make the defense second guess itself because they see things that others don't. He's a great player but some things he isn't.


cmon, if youre going to rewrite history, at least make sure there arent posters around that know exactly what happened.

Nash had the reigns to the team as early as the season opener against dallas. he played decent, but was still adjusting to his new team and a supposed good pnr big man in dwight, who was recovering from back surgery, and couldnt catch or roll to save his life. result, a shitty loss

game 2, against portland, nash started to look pretty good. developed a nice high pnr game with gasol, but by the 2nd quarter, took a knee to the shin from lillard and missed the next month (?)

upon his return, he just couldnt do much on the ball anymore. had trouble beating his man, even with a screen, and every other game, some sort of injury occured. during all this time, kobe still preached that nash should be the main ball handler for the team, in fact, he was exited about not having to initiate the offense (similar to quotes hes said about russel), but nashs body couldnt take that kind of game anymore. resulting in changing his role to an off ball player, which he was surprisingly good at (thanks to his terrific shooting) and kobe taking that facilitator role, that wowed fans and haters. If he passed more often DH would have stayed. He picked the weirdest time to be a PG and it wasn't like they were in contention. He should be passing more now to develop the young core. The team, himself and organization knows what he can do by now. He's been doing his weird stuff for years now and he's doing it for some personal aggrandizement. It isn't because Nash needed to be saved. The team hasn't been first for Kobe for years now. Its a reality....

[Bosnian Sajo]

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51093cbeeab8ead03500000d/kobe-bryant-reveals-the-genius-way-lebron-james-handles-trash-talk.jpg

[AirFederer]

Kobe had plenty ego, drive and skill.
He always lacked true bbiq, sorry. His skills, coach and popularity covered that.
That's the case here. Not knowing when it's ova.

[Gileraracer]

Time to pass the torch, bean. You had a great career, move on to some estate agent sh!t or something

[WallIn]

Kobe is a legend but he needs to step down and let a new team develop. That's the hard truth.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Lol even Grant Hill looked better after post career threatening injury.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Kobe is a legend but he needs to step down and let a new team develop. That's the hard truth.

Clarkson won't even pass him the ball lmao.

[I<3NBA]

Kobe's always had bad basketball IQ. he just had amazing athleticism to cover up for his idiocy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't doubt his greatness or belittle his accomplishments which were indeed great... but if you are calling him a genius, you have ruined a right word for Bird and Magic. There are more than two smart players in the history of basketball.


One move isn't equivalent to being a genius in anything. I don't know of one offensive player that doesn't have one? And most players shoot better from the field than Kobe does. Kobe is an all time great in scoring but genius is for the players who are moves ahead of the whole defense. That can make the defense second guess itself because they see things that others don't. He's a great player but some things he isn't.You think Kobe Bryant only had one move? He had several he had an arsenal.


If he passed more often DH would have stayed. He picked the weirdest time to be a PG and it wasn't like they were in contention. He should be passing more now to develop the young core. The team, himself and organization knows what he can do by now. He's been doing his weird stuff for years now and he's doing it for some personal aggrandizement. It isn't because Nash needed to be saved. The team hasn't been first for Kobe for years now. Its a reality....This paragraph is going in two completely different directions. You say he should have passed more for Howard but criticize the games he played like a pg (a stretch over which he had a number of games around 10 assists). Which is it? Which is the problem? The Lakers weren't on top of the league but back in the Howard/Nash year they did make the postseason. They underachieved but were still a good team, and up until he got injured Bryant was one of the best guards in the league.

[ImKobe]

Kobe is in a scorer's role. He's not playing point forward nor is he supposed to be bringing up the ball and running plays like he did last yr... he's just been ice cold in terms of making baskets..

Kobe played his way about 15 years, up to when he tore his achilles. He didn't need to make "high IQ" plays because no one could stop him from scoring. Now, teams are giving him the space to shoot the ball and he's been unable to make them pay for it because of his rust and not being as good as he used to be. His current cold spell is obviously nothing new, he had horrible shooting stretches all his career that brought down his overall averages almost every season IIRC.

He has a high basketball IQ, every basketball legend has praised him for being one of the smartest players of all-time in terms of being fundamentally sound, he never was the most athletic player in the league so let's not act like he relied on that to produce, he used to play better when he was dealing with certain injuries..

He's just old and can't produce on a level some of us expect him to on a consistent basis, he'll have a few vintage games but don't expect too many of them.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wizard's Jordan had the benefit of those years off and didn't tear his Achilles
No 3x years of atrophy, inactivity, gaining weight along with rust is much more difficult to come back from.

Wizards Jordan in his first year was a year and a half older than current Kobe is ...

The situations are comparable or weighted the same of the rigors on their body.

MJ was better on the Wizards than Kobe post 2013 because of his approach, shot selection and IQ.

[Doranku]

No 3x years of atrophy, inactivity, gaining weight along with rust is much more difficult to come back from.



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[HOoopCityJones]

No 3x years of atrophy, inactivity, gaining weight along with rust is much more difficult to come back from.




Than an Achilles rupture and fractured kneee?



Can I have some of that crack rock you're smoking? :biggums:

[f0und]

with all the GOAT skills, iq, footwork, etc. that he supposedly has, youd think he'd still know how to get himself a decent look at the basket. but reality is, he never have any of that. he was pretty decent in a few of those categories but nothing close to GOAT level. and it does mean anything when he lacks the iq to put it together. he always took the easy way out which is just to settle for long jump shots. now that that method is betraying him, he doesnt have any thing else to fall back on.

[catch24]

No 3x years of atrophy, inactivity, gaining weight along with rust is much more difficult to come back from.

Not even close dude.

Not. Even. Close.

Wizards MJ was better, but he had less mileage ALONG with wear and tear.

[dubeta]

Kobe has literally turned everyone on this team into bail-out shooters, there's a reason why players like Russell and Lou are struggling.

[Levity]

Kobe has literally turned everyone on this team into bail-out shooters, there's a reason why players like Russell and Lou are struggling.

you obviously havent watched a single laker game this season, or just dont understand whats happening on your tv screen when you do

kobes been horrible this season. catches the ball, squares up, and lets it fly. but one thing he hasnt been doing is holding onto the ball til the shot clock winds down, then kicks it to one of his teammates.

[dubeta]

you obviously havent watched a single laker game this season, or just dont understand whats happening on your tv screen when you do

kobes been horrible this season. catches the ball, squares up, and lets it fly. but one thing he hasnt been doing is holding onto the ball til the shot clock winds down, then kicks it to one of his teammates.



When did I say he did that?

[oarabbus]

Shaq was averaging 12/7 at 37, Duncan was at 15/9, Hakeem was at 10/6, Ewing was at 15/10, Reggie was at 12 ppg..

why do you feel the need to lie so much? :biggums: :biggums:


Lol I just checked it again and Hakeem was 12/7 (So I was off on that one), Ewing 17/10, Duncan 18/10. WTF are you talking about? You aren't even paying attention to the birth month lmao

Why u lyin?

[kentatm]

Kobe is just following the script handed to him from Lakers management.

They know this team has no shot at making the playoffs in the West. Instead of trying to win and ending up w/35 wins and a pick in the teens they told Kobe to gun for scoring records in order to tank. Now Kobe will get his records and the Lakers will get a high lotto pick. Everyone wins.

[riseagainst]

Kobe is just following the script handed to him from Lakers management.

They know this team has no shot at making the playoffs in the West. Instead of trying to win and ending up w/35 wins and a pick in the teens they told Kobe to gun for scoring records in order to tank. Now Kobe will get his records and the Lakers will get a high lotto pick. Everyone wins.


:lol

[Magic 32]

The guy that's supposed to be the most skilled player ever and a basketball savant (albeit that's just according to his retarded stans) is actually not really that skilled and his decision making is WOAT level bad.

I never understood what peolple meant when they said Kobe is skilled.

Trying to go back and re-write history based on a 37 year old half-injured player.

So cute.

[KungFuJoe]

Injuries don't make you shoot stupid shots, say dumb things to teammates, skip practice cuz you're "angry" and rape women.

That's called being stupid. Which Kobe has always been.

[Magic 32]

No 3x years of atrophy, inactivity, gaining weight along with rust is much more difficult to come back from.

Wizards Jordan in his first year was a year and a half older than current Kobe is ...

The situations are comparable or weighted the same of the rigors on their body.

MJ was better on the Wizards than Kobe post 2013 because of his approach, shot selection and IQ.

You just have to have Jordan win everything don't you.

[Magic 32]

Injuries don't make you shoot stupid shots, say dumb things to teammates, skip practice cuz you're "angry" and rape women.

That's called being stupid. Which Kobe has always been.

You can't change his legacy and greatness.

Let it go.

[Levity]

When did I say he did that?

when you said he turned everyone into a bail-out shooter

[JT123]

You can't change his legacy and greatness.

Let it go.
Looks like someone can't handle a little objectivety. :lol

[SexSymbol]

I don't see how his IQ is exposed. Yeah, he's shooting badly, but he's taking good, open shots and moving very well offball, might be the only player on the lakers who actually moves correctly offball

[dubeta]

I don't see how his IQ is exposed. Yeah, he's shooting badly, but he's taking good, open shots and moving very well offball, might be the only player on the lakers who actually moves correctly offball

lol Kobe has 0 off-ball game, stop trying to say otherwise.


Everyone on the Lakes (Lou Will, Russell) is forced into being bail-out shooters

[FKAri]

Nah. Kobe has always had high bball IQ. But his ego has always been greater. He often will make his play rather than the right play. Unlike MJ he never learned to trust his teammates.