Top 5 Most Unguardable Players in NBA History

[Foster5k]

1.Shaq
2.Kareem
3.MJ
4.?????
5.?????


Discuss...

[dubeta]

bron

[OldSchoolBBall]

Can't limit it to 5:

Jordan
Shaq
Wilt
KAJ
Barkley
Dirk
Durant
Bird

...Curry if he keeps this up. :oldlol:

[FKAri]

Shaq
Kareem
MJ
Wilt
..??

[the mesiah]

1.Jordan
2.Shaq
3.Lew
4.Wilt
5.Gervin

[Dr Hawk]

No order:

Jordan
Wilt
Shaq
Kareem
Magic

HM
Bird
Lebroin

[Rocketswin2013]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq


No one else is really all that close.

Some guys who have been completely shackled are being mentioned ITT.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Jordan/Shaq.

[knicksman]

here it is


Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991:
1) 1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (around 60% TS)
2) 2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
3) 2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
4) 1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
5) 1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
6) 2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
7) 1993 Michael Jordan 10.3
8) 2015 Lebron James 10.2 (51.7% TS)

no.8 doesnt belong in there with that shitty TS and a loss.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

here it is


Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991:
1) 1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (around 60% TS)
2) 2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
3) 2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
4) 1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
5) 1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
6) 2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
7) 1993 Michael Jordan 10.3
8) 2015 Lebron James 10.2 (51.7% TS)

no.8 doesnt belong in there with that shitty TS.

Yeah, No. 8 is the one that doesn't belong. :rolleyes:

[knicksman]

Yeah, No. 8 is the one that doesn't belong. :rolleyes:

Hes the only L player in there

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Hes the only L player in there

Are you stupid? Shaq didn't win in 1995.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Are you stupid? Shaq didn't win in 1995.
knicksman is so ****ing dumb

[Hey Yo]

What's considered un-guardable?

Getting your shot off, yet shoot a low %

or

Being somewhat contained which leads to passing up bad shots/ lower than normal FGA?

[Dr Hawk]

I'm surprised Magic, one of thebest if not the best offensive player of all time is not mentioned more often here

[KendrickPerkins]

Wilt
Shaq
Kareem
LeBron
Durant

[dhsilv]

1.Shaq
2.Kareem
3.MJ
4.?????
5.?????


Discuss...

Not sure about shaq or kareem or even jordan.

The list starts with Wilt and Mikan. After that we've got a hell of a lot of guys who had their moments.

[Hey Yo]

Are you stupid? Shaq didn't win in 1995.
He's just providing further proof that he just another clueless teenager who's ruined by LeBron.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Factoring overall offensive game? Shaq, Jordan, Kareem, Wilt and Bird... And, imo, those 5 had the best peaks in NBA history.

Strictly scoring? List would've been a little bit different, most likely.

[GIF REACTION]

Factoring overall offensive game? Shaq, Jordan, Kareem, Wilt and Bird... And, imo, those 5 had the best peaks in NBA history.

Strictly scoring? List would've been a little bit different, most likely.
And Lebron

[dhsilv]

Factoring overall offensive game? Shaq, Jordan, Kareem, Wilt and Bird... And, imo, those 5 had the best peaks in NBA history.

Strictly scoring? List would've been a little bit different, most likely.


Fixed that bold error on the quote. :)

But if you're leaving off Mikan, you're not respecting the history of this game. He was as dominate as anyone ever.

[knicksman]

Are you stupid? Shaq didn't win in 1995.

well i edited it. Hes the only one with low tS% and a loss

[24-Inch_Chrome]

well i edited it. Hes the only one with low tS% and a loss

Get the **** out of this thread. You're just as bad as dubeta and the rest of ISH's shit-heads.

Was Bron efficient in the 2015 finals? No. But he had no second or third option and did a hell of a job to push that series to six games. Your original point is moot, the point you're currently trying to make is worthless and obviously petty.

[dubeta]

Factoring overall offensive game? Shaq, Jordan, Kareem, Wilt and Bird... And, imo, those 5 had the best peaks in NBA history.

Strictly scoring? List would've been a little bit different, most likely.

Nice one bud :oldlol: :roll:

[no pun intended]

1.Shaq
2.Kareem
3.MJ
4.?????
5.?????


Discuss...
Where's AMC?

[Prime_Shaq]

1. Shaq
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Bird

[dhsilv]

You guys know wilt wasn't the only player in the league before the 70's right? And kareem wasn't the only other guy before the 80's?

This is getting sad....BIRD?

[DaOldLion]

If Shaq was so unguardable then why did he spend his entire career playing with all nba guards only to win with Kobe (who won more without Shaq than Shaq won without him) and then as Wade's sidekick

[bobopenguin]

If Shaq was so unguardable then why did he spend his entire career playing with all nba guards only to win with Kobe (who won more without Shaq than Shaq won without him) and then as Wade's sidekick

the guy went through era of MJ, D-rob, Tim, Hakeem, Ewing, Yao, webber, kemp, Barkley, KG etc..
c'mon man, those times were real hardcore. Big guys got elbowed in and out every single night.

[sd3035]

Curry, Durant, Jordan, Shaq

[iTare]

Hes the only L player in there
You're so dumb dude. :oldlol:

[3ball]

1.Shaq
2.Kareem
3.MJ
4.?????
5.?????


On the post, MJ was double-teamed with equal frequency to Shaq - the Shaq video shows him being doubled 33 of 62 times he caught the ball on the post (53%) compared to 52 of 103 in the MJ video (50%).

SHAQ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxZs7dwCO8
MJ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg


However, MJ got doubled all over the court, not just on the post - MJ's danger from anywhere on the court resulted in teams often doubling him 10+ possessions in a row, as a standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210).. This type of every-possession double teams for 10 consecutive possessions never happened for Shaq, not even in the 2000 Finals.

Considering MJ was doubled more and scored far more, he's the easily the most unguardable player ever, outside of Wilt.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hes the only L player in there

LeBron won more Finals games this year missing his 2nd & 3rd option than the Knicks have won in the last 20 years

[3ball]

.
Comparing MJ's Peak to Shaq's Peak (91-93' vs. 00'-02')


Rebounds and assists cancel each other out.. So do blocks and steals.. Here are the relevant stats:


REGULAR SEASON

MJ:... 31.4 ppg.. 58.2% ts.. 122 ORtg.. 0.288 WS/48.. 3 All-Defense 1st Team.. 2 MVP
Shaq: 28.6 ppg.. 58.0% ts.. 115 ORtg.. 0.264 WS/48.. 2 All-Defense 2nd Team.. 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS

MJ:... 33.7 ppg.. 57.2% ts.. 120 ORtg.. 0.267 WS/48
Shaq: 29.9 ppg.. 56.2% ts.. 113 ORtg.. 0.238 WS/48


FINALS

MJ:... 36.3 ppg.. 52.6% fg.. 84.3% ft.. played #5, #3, #9 defenses.. beat Magic-Drexler-Barkley
Shaq: 35.9 ppg.. 59.5% fg.. 50.6% ft. played #13, #5, #1 defenses.. beat Miller-Iverson-Kidd

[Foster5k]

.
Comparing MJ's Peak to Shaq's Peak (91-93' vs. 00'-02')


Rebounds and assists cancel each other out.. So do blocks and steals.. Here are the relevant stats:


REGULAR SEASON

MJ:... 31.4 ppg.. 58.2% ts.. 122 ORtg.. 0.288 WS/48.. 3 All-Defense 1st Team.. 2 MVP
Shaq: 28.6 ppg.. 58.0% ts.. 115 ORtg.. 0.264 WS/48.. 2 All-Defense 2nd Team.. 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS

MJ:... 33.7 ppg.. 57.2% ts.. 120 ORtg.. 0.267 WS/48
Shaq: 29.9 ppg.. 56.2% ts.. 113 ORtg.. 0.238 WS/48


FINALS

MJ:... 36.3 ppg.. 52.6% fg.. 84.3% ft.. played #5, #3, #9 defenses.. beat Magic-Drexler-Barkley
Shaq: 35.9 ppg.. 59.5% fg.. 50.6% ft. played #13, #5, #1 defenses.. beat Miller-Iverson-Kidd
So, what's your top 5?

[fsvr54]

Kevin McHale is up there.

[Mr. Jabbar]

lebron :lol

Dude has been LOCKED by basically everyone in the finals, in his prime. Unguardable.. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Foster5k]

lebron :lol

Dude has been LOCKED by basically everyone in the finals, in his prime. Unguardable.. :oldlol: :oldlol:
Lmao. Don't know who's placing LeBron in the top 5. There's a reason the Chosen One is 2/6 in the Finals. There's also a reason two role players, Kawhi and Iggy, got Finals MVP for specifically guarding LeBron.

[kamil]

bron

JJ Barea disagrees.

[pauk]

From what ive seen: (all in their peak primes)

1. Shaq

*GAP*

2. Jordan
3. Lebron
4. Bird
4. Magic
4. Durant
5. Kareem
5. Hakeem
6. Robinson
7. Kobe
7. T-Mac
7. Gervin
7. Wade
8. Malone
8. Barkley
8. Dirk
9. Duncan
9. Garnett
9. McHale
10. Dominique

[Foster5k]

From what ive seen: (all in their peak primes)

1. Shaq
2. Jordan
3. Lebron
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Durant
7. Kareem
8. Hakeem
9. Robinson
10. Kobe, T-Mac, Gervin, Wade, Malone, Barkley, Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, Carmelo, Dominique
:biggums:

Somewhere, a group of role players just let out the biggest LOL in the history of LOLs.

[pauk]

:biggums:

Somewhere, a group of role players just let out the biggest LOL in the history of LOLs.


Like if i really need to explain why i think he is #3? Stop trolling.... hell, prime Lebron (~2009 somewhere) is arguably the most unguardable player ive ever seen, but Shaq (Lakers ~2000) says nope.

[Mr. Jabbar]

:biggums:

Somewhere, a group of role players just let out the biggest LOL in the history of LOLs.

DAMN :roll: :roll:

[FKAri]

From what ive seen: (all in their peak primes)

1. Shaq

*GAP*

2. Jordan
3. Lebron
4. Bird
4. Magic
4. Durant
5. Kareem
5. Hakeem
6. Robinson
7. Kobe
7. T-Mac
7. Gervin
7. Wade
8. Malone
8. Barkley
8. Dirk
9. Duncan
9. Garnett
9. McHale
10. Dominique

???

[Round Mound]

1-Shaq
2-Kareem
3-Wilt
4-Jordan
5-Barkley

In No Order.

*McHale is close

[knicksman]

You're so dumb dude. :oldlol:


:lebronamazed: a bran stan calling me dumb:oldlol:

[knicksman]

LeBron won more Finals games this year missing his 2nd & 3rd option than the Knicks have won in the last 20 years

you are so fcking mad bitch:oldlol:

[Kovach]

Worthy deserves to be mentioned.

[Mrofir]

I'll get flamed for this but Nash led the league's top offense in 46 of his 53 seasons.

He also shot like 93% from 3

There were very few games in Nash's prime where anyone was able to shut him down or slow down the offense he created and directed.

It's harder to consider Nash in this context because all those other guys were unguardable in a 1v1 sense. Nash obviously doesn't fit that mold but from a purely offensive perspective his peak was as good as anyone's.