Lebron james is still the best player in the world

[Lebronxrings]

Good god tonight he was doing everything.

[JT123]

Water is wet

[zizozain]

looo ooong cat


anyone?

[JebronLames]

KG is black

[Monta Ellis MVP]

As many of you know I'm not only a die hard Pacers fan but I'm fan of the Cavaliers as well. It was refreshing to see LeBron take over the game in an assertive fashion without being terribly inefficient. The next step for him now is to do it vs legitimate competition and he will start to challenge Steph Curry as best in the league.

[HenryGarfunkle]

kobe sucks

[GIF REACTION]

holy shit warriorfan is GOAT loser

get a life

[stalkerforlife]

Sixers

night night

[ISHGoat]

holy shit warriorfan is GOAT loser

get a life

Lmao thats not warriorfan.

That chimp cant put together coherent sentences nor use punctuation.

[Lebronxrings]

As many of you know I'm not only a die hard Pacers fan but I'm fan of the Cavaliers as well. It was refreshing to see LeBron take over the game in an assertive fashion without being terribly inefficient. The next step for him now is to do it vs legitimate competition and he will start to challenge Steph Curry as best in the league.
warriorfan why do u need alts? U aint fooling anyone loser

[Gus Hemmingway]

As many of you know I'm not only a die hard Pacers fan but I'm fan of the Cavaliers as well. It was refreshing to see LeBron take over the game in an assertive fashion without being terribly inefficient. The next step for him now is to do it vs legitimate competition and he will start to challenge Steph Curry as best in the league.

need some new bait material fam

A- for effort

F+ execution

[20Four]

holy shit warriorfan is GOAT loser

get a life


Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 5,105

speak for yourself, and this is only 1 of your alt accounts lol, I guess burger flippin isn't enough for you?

[Paul George 24]

Good god tonight he was doing everything.
JUST BEAT A LOTTERY TEAM MAKES U SO HAPPY :roll:

[Paul George 24]

Water is wet
CURRY >>>>>>>>> JAMES,SO SAD :lol

[warriorfan]

real estate tycoons dont have as much free rent as me

[Naero]

CURRY >>>>>>>>> JAMES,SO SAD :lol

This. Even LeBron's best game of the season so far only categorically outperforms 1 out of Curry's first-five games. :lol

[Lebronxrings]

CURRY >>>>>>>>> JAMES,SO SAD :lol
dam u went on another alt? U aint fooling anyone with ur fake pacers fan persona.

[warriorfan]

LeBron stans are so shook :lol

[Paul George 24]

dam u went on another alt? U aint fooling anyone with ur fake pacers fan persona.
I AM NOT A PACER FANS,SO U FAIL :lol

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/Ya6ji4.gif

[Gus Hemmingway]

http://i.imgur.com/fDoWrj0.gif

[Fudge]

Kevin Durant and LeBron James are the two best players in the world.

[knicksman]

Bran, the only player who cant attract double teams, is considered the best player:lol

[Rocketswin2013]

http://i.imgur.com/fDoWrj0.gif
:bowdown:

[Nash]

Bran, the only player who cant attract double teams, is considered the best player:lol
can't :roll: :roll: :roll:

no coach is stupid enough to double team lebron. whenever that happens lebron racks up bunch of assists and his team goes on a long run

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

If curry keeps this up, he takes a shit on any pg ever.

Last year i believe he was already the best apart from the finals.

[TheImmortal]

Sorry bro.. torch was passed last season by LeBaton.


90s: MJ

00s: Kobe

11-15:LeBron
15-present: Curry

[oarabbus]

Bran, the only player who cant attract double teams, is considered the best player:lol


Double teaming Lebron is retarded thats exactly what he wants :biggums:

[Gileraracer]

27%
39%
2/6

[pauk]

Hard boiled eggs still contain eggs.

[Paul George 24]

Double teaming Lebron is retarded thats exactly what he wants :biggums:
NEVER SCORES 50 IN PLAYOFFS :lol

[SexSymbol]

Steph Curry is currently the best player on earth and it's not even remotely debatable

[GIF REACTION]

It is very early to say, but I'll say this

It's now Lebron and Curry at the top, with KD/Westbrook/Harden/Griffin/CP3 below them

KD is maybe with them, but I'm not sure yet

[aj1987]

Steph Curry is currently the best player on earth and it's not even remotely debatable
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


One game or a series, with equal teams, LeBron is gonna WRECK Curry's team. KD as well. You could do it for a whole season as well and current KD/LeBron are gonna get you better results.

Would've won the title in 18 games MAX.

[SexSymbol]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


One game or a series, with equal teams, LeBron is gonna WRECK Curry's team. KD as well. You could do it for a whole season as well and current KD/LeBron are gonna get you better results.

Would've won the title in 18 games MAX.
Not true, Curry outperformed LeBron badly in last years finals.

[Magic 32]

2000-2002 Shaq
2003-2005 Duncan
2006-2008 Kobe
2009-2013 Lebron
2014 Durant
2015-> Curry

[GIF REACTION]

2000-2002 Shaq
2003-2005 Duncan
2006-2008 Kobe
2009-2013 Lebron
2014 Durant
2015-> Curry
Decent

Kobe 2006-2010
Lebron 2011-2015

If you go by reg season and playoffs

[Real14]

The best player in the world can't be 2/6:no:

[smoovegittar]

LeBron is still top dog.

But this window is closing. Needs to win this year.

...coming from a non-fan.

[Lebronxrings]

Whats that smell? Oh its just lebron haters trying to find excuses and lame comebacks. Don't worry lebron will prove hes the best player as usual.

[feyki]

Decent

Kobe 2006-2010
Lebron 2011-2015

If you go by reg season and playoffs

2005 Nash

2006 Dirk

2007 Duncan

2008-2010 Kobe

2011 Dirk

2012-2014 Lebron

2015 Curry

[sd3035]

2005 Nash

2006 Dirk

2007 Duncan

2008-2010 Kobe

2011 Dirk

2012-2014 Lebron

2015 Curry

Decent list but Durant was clearly the best during his MVP season

[Real14]

2005 Nash

2006 Dirk

2007 Duncan

2008-2010 Kobe

2011 Dirk

2012-2014 Lebron

2015 Curry

2013-2014 should be edited.

13- MELO
14- DURANT

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Curry is pulling 2006 Kobe numbers on the best team in the league with insane efficiency.... it's not even close. LeBron's reign over the NBA is done. He had his prime, 2009-2013.

[feyki]

Decent list but Durant was clearly the best during his MVP season

Lebron better at playoffs . Playoffs more important than season.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Just looked up to see who the game was against....

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron bullying sh*tty Eastern Conf. teams again, will make it to the Finals, shoot 30% and get wrecked :oldlol:

[HenryGarfunkle]

LeBron
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
Harden

Top 5 ATM

[SexSymbol]

LeBron
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
Harden

Top 5 ATM
Did you just leave Curry out lol?

[iTare]

Just looked up to see who the game was against....

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron bullying sh*tty Eastern Conf. teams again, will make it to the Finals, shoot 30% and get wrecked :oldlol:
He's actually better against the west.
East: 27.4/7/6.8 on 49.4% from the field
West: 27.5/7.3/7.1 on 50% from the field

[ArbitraryWater]

Not true, Curry outperformed LeBron badly in last years finals.

dafuq?

Anyway, top 3 is pretty sealed.

I got:

1. Durant
2. Curry
3. Bron

[Eye Test]

lol, no.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2013-2014 should be edited.

13- MELO
14- DURANT

:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

He definitely he is still the best player in the world. I know people can't see that through the Curry hype train of a 2 week old season ... but he still does more, and has more ability for dominance than prime / peaking, NBA JAM mode hot streak Steph Curry.

[Lebronxrings]

dafuq?

Anyway, top 3 is pretty sealed.

I got:

1. Durant
2. Curry
3. Bron
:biggums:

dude wtf, i thought u were a good poster.

[Naero]

Not true, Curry outperformed LeBron badly in last years finals.

:lol

It's more than plausible that Stephen Curry is the best player in the world, but let's not use falsehoods to embellish that fact. LeBron had one the most scoring-inefficient finals, but his all-around game clearly outperformed Curry's. Curry himself went into a funk for the first-few games (speculatedly due to a near-concussive head injury); had he played even half of his regular-season self otherwise, the Warriors easily would have done the expected sweep.

Curry has proven himself as the best player in the world, and being outplayed for one series as it interweighs against a full playoffs run and season isn't going to change that fact--especially since it's excusable, due to first-time jitters on Curry's part--but let's not discredit that argument by trying to controvert it with such falsities.

[DMAVS41]

To me, and it's just me, I wait until the playoffs. Regular seasons matter, but I want to know what these guys do with their backs against the wall against the best players/teams in the league when said teams have time to prepare.

I think Lebron was the best overall player last year...this year could be different.

We'll see...with Durant back, Westbrook, and Davis likely getting better (even with the slow start)...and Curry playing like a top 10 player of all time...the competition is pretty stiff this year.

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

dude wtf, i thought u were a good poster.

1. KD
2. Bron
3. Curry

Okay?

[Hey Yo]

:lol

It's more than plausible that Stephen Curry is the best player in the world, but let's not use falsehoods to embellish that fact. LeBron had one the most scoring-inefficient finals, but his all-around game clearly outperformed Curry's. Curry himself went into a funk for the first-few games (speculatedly due to a near-concussive head injury); had he played even half of his regular-season self otherwise, the Warriors easily would have done the expected sweep.

Curry has proven himself as the best player in the world, and being outplayed for one series as it interweighs against a full playoffs run and season isn't going to change that fact--especially since it's excusable, due to first-time jitters on Curry's part--but let's not discredit that argument by trying to controvert it with such falsities.
Curry's so-called "head injury" was nothing. He only missed a quarter in that game 4 and played nearly 42mins in game 5. Then was off a full week before game 1 of the Finals.

He was fine, just played poorly the first half of the series.

[3ball]

He's actually better against the west.
East: 27.4/7/6.8 on 49.4% from the field
West: 27.5/7.3/7.1 on 50% from the field


But not when he has to carry his team with high shot volume like in the 2015 playoffs and Finals..

The 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals.. Compare that to MJ, where his high efficiency at high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the real holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail of basketball skill is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the high volume must be achieved within the team concept - the high volume must be achieved without diminishing teammates' statistics so the team can reach it's ceiling and be a championship team..

MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995) are the only players that reached the holy grail of basketball skill by achieving high efficiency at high volume while winning a championship (25+ shot attempts on 45%+ during the playoffs).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.. As you can see, midrange is the key to goat-level skill.. In MJ's case, he averaged an amazing 25.1 shot attempts in the playoffs on 49%.. When you compare his per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[DaOldLion]

Curry's so-called "head injury" was nothing. He only missed a quarter in that game 4 and played nearly 42mins in game 5. Then was off a full week before game 1 of the Finals.

He was fine, just played poorly the first half of the series.

whats with this revisionist history?

he put up 26/4/8/2 on 50% in game 1, 26/6/6/3 on 50% in game 3..

he struggled in game 2, other than that he was great in the series

[Spurs m8]

I feel like I've gone back a year or two in time tbh

He hasn't been the best for a couple of years tbh

[Hey Yo]

But not when he has to carry his team with high shot volume like in the 2015 playoffs and Finals..

The 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals.. Compare that to MJ, where his high efficiency at high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the real holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail of basketball skill is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the high volume must be achieved within the team concept - the high volume must be achieved without diminishing teammates' statistics so the team can reach it's ceiling and be a championship team..

MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995) are the only players that reached the holy grail of basketball skill by achieving high efficiency at high volume while winning a championship (25+ shot attempts on 45%+ during the playoffs).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.. As you can see, midrange is the key to goat-level skill.. In MJ's case, he averaged an amazing 25.1 shot attempts in the playoffs on 49%.. When you compare his per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

"The part about Lebron not being capable of good efficiency at high volume. His career stats very much say otherwise. But too keep it simply since you wanted to focus on one series, please just go back to the previous Finals against the Spurs where his primary defender was this guy named Kawhi. High volume, insane efficiency.

Lebron did struggle with efficiency last PS, no doubt. But he had a rookie coach, and very little offensive talent around him. He was exhausted and drug his team to the Finals. Screw the efficiency. His team had no business being 2 games from a championship and they were based on what he was able to do.

Trying to spin a narrative based off of that Finals series against a terrific team with waves of great defenders to throw at him or based on one playoff run where he was superhuman is misguided and ignores all the evidence of his career.

Now he's never going to be confused with Durant, Curry, Harden or any of the modern guys who cater to an approach approved of by analytics. He's not the shooter those players are, and he's been on teams that have constantly demanded him to carry a far heavier load in all areas of the game outside of just scoring efficiently.

You are just off-base here.

[SexSymbol]

:lol

It's more than plausible that Stephen Curry is the best player in the world, but let's not use falsehoods to embellish that fact. LeBron had one the most scoring-inefficient finals, but his all-around game clearly outperformed Curry's. Curry himself went into a funk for the first-few games (speculatedly due to a near-concussive head injury); had he played even half of his regular-season self otherwise, the Warriors easily would have done the expected sweep.

Curry has proven himself as the best player in the world, and being outplayed for one series as it interweighs against a full playoffs run and season isn't going to change that fact--especially since it's excusable, due to first-time jitters on Curry's part--but let's not discredit that argument by trying to controvert it with such falsities.

He completely outperformed bron, anybody who has studied basketball at least a bit understands that.
Bron played the most selfish basketball I've ever witnessed, considering his teammates were actually doing quite well and in more games than not outperforming Curry's help. He put up a bazillion of shots on horrible efficiency while completely focking up the rhythm of the team that was, I might say, perfect heading into the finals fresh of a sweep. His defense was complete shit, literally no effort at all, he was the weak link on defense that GS exploited in the latest few games.
His stats without context look pretty good, but he played horribly on both ends of the floor

[sdot_thadon]

"The part about Lebron not being capable of good efficiency at high volume. His career stats very much say otherwise. But too keep it simply since you wanted to focus on one series, please just go back to the previous Finals against the Spurs where his primary defender was this guy named Kawhi. High volume, insane efficiency.

Lebron did struggle with efficiency last PS, no doubt. But he had a rookie coach, and very little offensive talent around him. He was exhausted and drug his team to the Finals. Screw the efficiency. His team had no business being 2 games from a championship and they were based on what he was able to do.

Trying to spin a narrative based off of that Finals series against a terrific team with waves of great defenders to throw at him or based on one playoff run where he was superhuman is misguided and ignores all the evidence of his career.

Now he's never going to be confused with Durant, Curry, Harden or any of the modern guys who cater to an approach approved of by analytics. He's not the shooter those players are, and he's been on teams that have constantly demanded him to carry a far heavier load in all areas of the game outside of just scoring efficiently.

You are just off-base here.
Just post the 1st or 2nd reply to his thread from the
At other place. Ether.

[Hey Yo]

whats with this revisionist history?

he put up 26/4/8/2 on 50% in game 1, 26/6/6/3 on 50% in game 3..

he struggled in game 2, other than that he was great in the series
His 16 combined turnovers in the first 3 games usually goes unnoticed.

[3ball]

"The part about Lebron not being capable of good efficiency at high volume. His career stats very much say otherwise. But too keep it simply since you wanted to focus on one series, please just go back to the previous Finals against the Spurs where his primary defender was this guy named Kawhi. High volume, insane efficiency.

Lebron did struggle with efficiency last PS, no doubt. But he had a rookie coach, and very little offensive talent around him. He was exhausted and drug his team to the Finals. Screw the efficiency. His team had no business being 2 games from a championship and they were based on what he was able to do.

Trying to spin a narrative based off of that Finals series against a terrific team with waves of great defenders to throw at him or based on one playoff run where he was superhuman is misguided and ignores all the evidence of his career.

Now he's never going to be confused with Durant, Curry, Harden or any of the modern guys who cater to an approach approved of by analytics. He's not the shooter those players are, and he's been on teams that have constantly demanded him to carry a far heavier load in all areas of the game outside of just scoring efficiently.

You are just off-base here.
Did you read the first sentence of the post??... "The 2015 Playoffs were the first high volume playoffs of his career"..

He didn't shoot high volume against Kawhi, or in any playoffs series before 2015.. Heck, he shot 17 times per game in the 2014 Finals, compared to 27 times per game in the 2015 playoffs (33 times per game in Finals).

17 fga isn't high volume... Over 25 fga is high volume, which Lebron had never done before 2015, and he shot 27 times per game in 2015 playoffs - he can't shoot well at that volume.

[DaOldLion]

His 16 combined turnovers in the first 3 games usually goes unnoticed.

which would averaged out to be the same amount of turnovers per game that Lebron averaged for the entire eastern conference playoffs but I doubt you'll ever bring that up to downplay Lebron's performance in the playoffs

you original post was wrong, Curry did not struggle for the first half of the finals, he played above his RS averages in games 1 & 3, he simply had a bad game 2.

[3ball]

Trying to spin a narrative based off of that Finals series against a terrific team with waves of great defenders to throw at him or based on one playoff run where he was superhuman is misguided and ignores all the evidence of his career.




^^^ That's factually incorrect - Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times the entire Finals:



From ESPN:

Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent).

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team


And we all saw the repeated clearouts Lebron enjoyed - those were the most secluded clearouts anyone's ever gotten in the history of the game, LITERALLY.. No one has ever gotten the entire side cleared out for them over and over... and of course, not a double team in sight.

Compare Lebron's 18 double-teams in the entire Finals to MJ, whose high efficiency at high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too.

[knicksman]

can't :roll: :roll: :roll:

no coach is stupid enough to double team lebron. whenever that happens lebron racks up bunch of assists and his team goes on a long run

another proof that bran stans dont know jack shit. LOLz

Curry can pass same as jordan. In fact they are better passers than bran. They just play off ball. And the difference between them, coaches are afraid of them that theyre willing to sacrifice open teammates while nobody is afraid of a guy who constantly disappears in the finals.

[sdot_thadon]

17 fga isn't high volume... Over 25 fga is high volume, which Lebron had never done before 2015, and he shot 27 times per game in 2015 playoffs - he can't shoot well at that volume.
Proof of this aside from your absurdly decrepit opinion?

[3ball]

Proof of this aside from your absurdly decrepit opinion?


In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

The reality is that Lebron's brief flirtation with high efficiency in 2013 and 2014 coincided with a material dip in his FGA.. This passive approach got blown out of the gym in 2014 Finals, while a much more appropriate, aggressive approach in 2015 Finals was more effective against a far better team.. It's quite obvious.

Unfortunately, Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so despite his doubling of shot volume in 2015, his poor efficiency at this higher volume prevented him from winning it all - obviously, he would've won if he shot even 45%, which should've been feasible given his repeated secluded isolations and lack of double-teams.

[DMAVS41]

Proof of this aside from your absurdly decrepit opinion?

You think 17 fga from a superstar is high volume in the playoffs? It's not nothing, but it certainly shouldn't be considered "high volume" for a superstar.

[sdot_thadon]

You think 17 fga from a superstar is high volume in the playoffs? It's not nothing, but it certainly shouldn't be considered "high volume" for a superstar.
I've never really considered volume by attempts, more by scoring. I agree he could have shot more, but stating it as fact is a bit much. Because he's basically shot a lower volume than mj his entire career but achieved an elite scorers output regardless. It's really a non issue.

[DMAVS41]

I've never really considered volume by attempts, more by scoring. I agree he could have shot more, but stating it as fact is a bit much. Because he's basically shot a lower volume than mj his entire career but achieved an elite scorers output regardless. It's really a non issue.

I don't care to get into the Lebron vs Jordan shit or anything like that...I just don't think 17 fga on average should be considered a high volume.

[sdot_thadon]

I don't care to get into the Lebron vs Jordan shit or anything like that...I just don't think 17 fga on average should be considered a high volume.
I don't either but setting it arbitrarily at 25 plus attempts?

[3ball]

:lol

[3ball]

I don't either but setting it arbitrarily at 25 plus attempts?



Players with 25+ attempts on 45% fg (excluding Wilt):


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:..... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:... 1975
George Gervin: 1982
Kobe Bryant:... 2006
Elgin Baylor:... 1963
Tiny Archibald: 1973
Dominique:..... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:.... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:...... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:........... 1966
Rick Barry:........... 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:. 1995
Kobe Bryant:......... 2007
Dominique:........... 1988
Allen Iverson:........ 2005
Kareem Jabbar:..... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


High volume by itself might dictate pace, but it can't win... High volume AND high efficiency is what devastates teams.. Of course, achieving high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship requires the most skill - the player must achieve the high volume at high efficiency within a team concept, without diminishing the stats of teammates.

The only players reach the holy grail of skill by shooting high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship (25+ FGA on 45%+ during the playoffs) were MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. It's crazy - sometimes we forget how skilled Hakeem eventually became (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njTa6_HBlI0).

In MJ's case, when you compare his per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

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Players with 25+ attempts on 45% fg (excluding Wilt):


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:..... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:... 1975
George Gervin: 1982
Kobe Bryant:... 2006
Elgin Baylor:... 1963
Tiny Archibald: 1973
Dominique:..... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:.... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:...... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:........... 1966
Rick Barry:........... 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:. 1995
Kobe Bryant:......... 2007
Dominique:........... 1988
Allen Iverson:........ 2005
Kareem Jabbar:..... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


High volume by itself might dictate pace, but it can't win... High volume AND high efficiency is what devastates teams.. Of course, achieving high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship requires the most skill - the player must achieve the high volume at high efficiency within a team concept, without diminishing the stats of teammates.

The only players reach the holy grail of skill by shooting high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship (25+ FGA on 45%+ during the playoffs) were MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. It's crazy - sometimes we forget how skilled Hakeem eventually became (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njTa6_HBlI0).

In MJ's case, when you compare his per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

doe I want to make a campaign for you on realgm. They are just to blinded in their lebron worship to truly understand your posts :(

[Fudge]

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