Pelicans 0-6

[SaltyMeatballs]

What Happened?!

[LoneyROY7]

It's become real evident how much the Pelicans f*cked themselves trading Nerlens for Jrue.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Anthony Davis ain't who we thought he was.

:no:

[bdreason]

Injuries. New coach. New system. Western Conference.


Next question.

[KembaWalker]

It's become real evident how much the Pelicans f*cked themselves trading Nerlens for Jrue.

Not even a Pelicans fan but when they drafted Noel I was so f*cking hype, AD and Noel in the paint?! GG

But then they traded him :(

[keep-itreal]

Anthony "Empty Stats, No Impact" Davis

[bigkingsfan]

Basketball reasons.

[ISHGoat]

Not even a Pelicans fan but when they drafted Noel I was so f*cking hype, AD and Noel in the paint?! GG

But then they traded him :(

I think every basketball fan and person following the NBA thought "wtf what a terrible trade" and indeed it was and continues to be. Whoever GM made that move should give me his job.

[jayfan]

Injuries. New coach. New system. Western Conference.


Next question.

Well put.

[Eye Test]

1 brow is not enough

[GreatHILL]

Gentry without Curry is trash :oldlol:

[LilEddyCurry]

Not even a Pelicans fan but when they drafted Noel I was so f*cking hype, AD and Noel in the paint?! GG

But then they traded him :(
Don't forget that they traded Noel + next year's first round pick (which turned out to be Elfrid Payton).

[Bay Area Baller]

Ima kind enjoying this team implode, saddest part of the story is Tyreke basically carrying this team on his back last year and AD getting all the credit. He goes down and woops what a surprise they can't win w/o him. #FreeTyreke

[SyRyanYang]

I can finally say that AD is a bit overrated lately without getting crucified. He's not a top 5 player as of yet, period.

[Bobcats2013]

I think every basketball fan and person following the NBA thought "wtf what a terrible trade" and indeed it was and continues to be. Whoever GM made that move should give me his job.

listen little nikka, I know ur too young to understand because you weren't here but the threads were almost universally against the sixers when Jrue was traded for Noel. Not just here but social media everywhere.

even me and i was a "I believe in Sam Hinkie" kind of nikka

[StephHamann]

45 year old big Di(r)ck outplayed small wee wee Brow

[Bosnian Sajo]

listen little nikka, I know ur too young to understand because you weren't here but the threads were almost universally against the sixers when Jrue was traded for Noel. Not just here but social media everywhere.

even me and i was a "I believe in Sam Hinkie" kind of nikka

Only because Nerlens was injured, but that trade sent away Noel and Payton.


Payton (not a score-first pg), Noel, and Davis would be a great young big 3 to build your team around. Add Gordon and Evans to the mix and you got a nice team, Jrue is unneeded, he was hyped after his allstar selection in the weak east (VERY weak east at the time). Everyone knew Noel was a defensive juggernaut, and the future first was known to be a lottery pick because the Pelicans were a lottery team at the time.



Maybe this is good for the Pels, doe. Imagine the lottery goes their way and they end up with Simmons :eek:

[LoneyROY7]

Only because Nerlens was injured, but that trade sent away Noel and Payton.


Payton (not a score-first pg), Noel, and Davis would be a great young big 3 to build your team around. Add Gordon and Evans to the mix and you got a nice team, Jrue is unneeded, he was hyped after his allstar selection in the weak east (VERY weak east at the time). Everyone knew Noel was a defensive juggernaut, and the future first was known to be a lottery pick because the Pelicans were a lottery team at the time.



Maybe this is good for the Pels, doe. Imagine the lottery goes their way and they end up with Simmons :eek:

I doubt they play this bad all year, which probably means the worst-case scenario...late lottery purgatory.

[Tking714]

Ima kind enjoying this team implode, saddest part of the story is Tyreke basically carrying this team on his back last year and AD getting all the credit. He goes down and woops what a surprise they can't win w/o him. #FreeTyreke

Tyreke is their best wing scorer and point gaurd. Which is funny because no one ever wants to play him at point

[R.I.P.]

It's become real evident how much the Pelicans f*cked themselves trading Nerlens for Jrue.

Instead of monetary compensation the Pelicans should sue the Sixers to get Noel. :roll: :roll:

[R.I.P.]

I think every basketball fan and person following the NBA thought "wtf what a terrible trade" and indeed it was and continues to be. Whoever GM made that move should give me his job.

Holiday has barely played for the Pelicans, cause the Sixers lied about his injuries. Of course the Sixers made out like bandits. The $3M are nothing in comparison to what the Pelicans lost for a player with multiple stress fractures.

[SwishSquared]

Only because Nerlens was injured, but that trade sent away Noel and Payton.


Payton (not a score-first pg), Noel, and Davis would be a great young big 3 to build your team around. Add Gordon and Evans to the mix and you got a nice team, Jrue is unneeded, he was hyped after his allstar selection in the weak east (VERY weak east at the time). Everyone knew Noel was a defensive juggernaut, and the future first was known to be a lottery pick because the Pelicans were a lottery team at the time.



Maybe this is good for the Pels, doe. Imagine the lottery goes their way and they end up with Simmons :eek:If they traded Payton to Magic (as 76ers did), they would have gotten a future first from Orlando (it was actually a first rounder the Magic got from Philly in the Dwight Howard trade). That would have been a huge trade chip, too, if they decided to move Payton.

Also it's not mentioned that they overpaid Tyreke Evans b/c AD's agent forced the move to happen. Not that Tyreke isn't a good player, but helped carry them to the 9th worst record when AD got hurt in 2013-2014. If they got more for trading RoLo ($10M/2 years remaining on contract at time) or Vasquez, they could have tanked for the 2014 draft. Heck, Vasquez could have helped them tank if they kept him. They also wouldn't have needed Asik if they kept NN. They're paying like $34M/year to Jrue/Evans/Asik when they should have 3 young guys on rookie deals playing in their place.

This team may still field a contender once healthy, but they really rushed to build a playoff-caliber team due to impatient ownership. I think they could have had a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft and around the 10th pick last year if they built slowly and didn't sign or trade for vets in the 2013 and 2014 offseasons.

[Nanners]

half of the team is injured, and the half that isnt injured are basically all shitty players except Davis.

they have also done a pretty bad job of building the roster. holiday, gordon and tyreke have all turned out to be pretty mediocre additions.

[DMAVS41]

If they traded Payton to Magic (as 76ers did), they would have gotten a future first from Orlando (it was actually a first rounder the Magic got from Philly in the Dwight Howard trade). That would have been a huge trade chip, too, if they decided to move Payton.

Also it's not mentioned that they overpaid Tyreke Evans b/c AD's agent forced the move to happen. Not that Tyreke isn't a good player, but helped carry them to the 9th worst record when AD got hurt in 2013-2014. If they got more for trading RoLo ($10M/2 years remaining on contract at time) or Vasquez, they could have tanked for the 2014 draft. Heck, Vasquez could have helped them tank if they kept him. They also wouldn't have needed Asik if they kept NN. They're paying like $34M/year to Jrue/Evans/Asik when they should have 3 young guys on rookie deals playing in their place.

This team may still field a contender once healthy, but they really rushed to build a playoff-caliber team due to impatient ownership. I think they could have had a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft and around the 10th pick last year if they built slowly and didn't sign or trade for vets in the 2013 and 2014 offseasons.


Bingo to the bold.

I've been saying this for years and the situation might be worse than I was even saying now depending on how this season goes.

The problem is exactly what you said. They rushed...Noel and Davis combo is legit scary for 15 years. They completely ****ed themselves on that...then all the other stupid signings and shit just makes the problem worse.

But, giving up a draft pick in addition to Noel to get Jrue Holiday on a team that isn't a contender...is definitely one of the dumbest moves in NBA history.

Pelicans have been doing things horribly since the Paul trade...honestly, it was pure luck Gordon missed that whole season before the got Davis or they likely wouldn't have been bad enough to even get him in the first place.

Hard to do worse than they have done.

Now, it might end up ok because Davis is so ****ing good, but that won't change the fact they've completely screwed up here.

[SpecialQue]

Injuries. New coach. New system. Western Conference.


Next question.

This is the only valid response here. Can't believe this thread is still going.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is the only valid response here. Can't believe this thread is still going.

some people like to elaborate on the trade and managing issues

[DMAVS41]

This is the only valid response here. Can't believe this thread is still going.

Yea, because ignoring terrible signings and one of the worst trades in NBA history (from a logic and game theory standpoint) should go unmentioned when discussing why a team with Anthony Davis has started 0-6.

I agree all those things are big factors, but lets not pretend like this teams is some monster even when healthy. They are good...maybe like 50 wins good if fully healthy all year, but our point is that they mortgaged the future to maybe make the playoffs with no real chance to contend.

That is interesting to me because I've been saying how awful the Pelicans have done things for years now.

[SwishSquared]

[/B]

Bingo to the bold.

I've been saying this for years and the situation might be worse than I was even saying now depending on how this season goes.

The problem is exactly what you said. They rushed...Noel and Davis combo is legit scary for 15 years. They completely ****ed themselves on that...then all the other stupid signings and shit just makes the problem worse.

But, giving up a draft pick in addition to Noel to get Jrue Holiday on a team that isn't a contender...is definitely one of the dumbest moves in NBA history.

Pelicans have been doing things horribly since the Paul trade...honestly, it was pure luck Gordon missed that whole season before the got Davis or they likely wouldn't have been bad enough to even get him in the first place.

Hard to do worse than they have done.

Now, it might end up ok because Davis is so ****ing good, but that won't change the fact they've completely screwed up here.Completely agree. I've hated the moves. It's the same type of convos people had in LeBron's first stint in Cleveland (some differences, but still...). Trading picks and bringing in vets before the team is ready. Not to mention they let Aminu walk for nada.

This team legit should have guys like Marcus Smart and Winslow via their own picks on it if they didn't rush it. They also could have served as a dump situation (a la Utah and Philly) and landed Rodney Hood and Stauskas and numerous picks and swaps.

I've written the same stuff dozens of times but this team should be overflowing with young talent.

[DMAVS41]

Completely agree. I've hated the moves. It's the same type of convos people had in LeBron's first stint in Cleveland (some differences, but still...). Trading picks and bringing in vets before the team is ready. Not to mention they let Aminu walk for nada.

This team legit should have guys like Marcus Smart and Winslow via their own picks on it if they didn't rush it. They also could have served as a dump situation (a la Utah and Philly) and landed Rodney Hood and Stauskas and numerous picks and swaps.

I've written the same stuff dozens of times but this team should be overflowing with young talent.

I know. Noel and Davis alone would be amazing...let alone they could have 2 other lottery picks as well....and wouldn't have terrible contracts on the books like they currently do.

It's very similar to Lebron's first stint on the Cavs, but even worse because they've been bad enough to get great picks.

[SwishSquared]

I know. Noel and Davis alone would be amazing...let alone they could have 2 other lottery picks as well....and wouldn't have terrible contracts on the books like they currently do.

It's very similar to Lebron's first stint on the Cavs, but even worse because they've been bad enough to get great picks.That's actually a really good point- Cleveland did get too good, too quickly to actually tank. New Orleans had that chance. :facepalm

[dhsilv]

I think every basketball fan and person following the NBA thought "wtf what a terrible trade" and indeed it was and continues to be. Whoever GM made that move should give me his job.

The owners wanted to "win now". When that's the mandate GM's have to do stupid things, this was from all indications the case here.

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

if they end up 6-11 after the first 17 games, they just need to be on 49 win pace for the rest of the year to win

No trouble

[LoneyROY7]

if they end up 6-11 after the first 17 games, they just need to be on 49 win pace for the rest of the year to win

No trouble

:oldlol:

[SwishSquared]

if they end up 6-11 after the first 17 games, they just need to be on 49 win pace for the rest of the year to win

No troubleSo you're saying that they need to win their next 11 consecutive games and then win 39 of their final 65 games? I understand going 39-26 in their final 65, but winning the next 11 straight seems really optimistic.

Essentially, you're saying they need to finish the year 50-26. That's a ~54 win pace for the entire season. That's a better finish than I anticipated this team having. We need to see how Tyreke looks after his return, as well as Q-Pon.

[notatop29pg]

Reserving judgement until philly does something with their super trade rape of NOLA.

[Sarcastic]

http://gifsoup.com/view/604497/alvin-gentry-puking-o.gif

[DMAVS41]

Reserving judgement until philly does something with their super trade rape of NOLA.

What the Sixers do isn't relevant.

Its about what the Pelicans should have had. Whether or not the Sixers do anything with Noel and the draft pick they got doesn't do anything to change the fact that Noel and Davis plus at least 1 lottery pick (likely 2) creates a core that could contend for over a decade...not the Pelicans have a team in which nobody on it currently will likely be a key player 5 years from now other than Davis.

That is just terrible franchise building around a young all timer...Cavs did the same shit around Lebron and wasted 7 years of his career with hot garbage.

[notatop29pg]

What the Sixers do isn't relevant.

Its about what the Pelicans should have had. Whether or not the Sixers do anything with Noel and the draft pick they got doesn't do anything to change the fact that Noel and Davis plus at least 1 lottery pick (likely 2) creates a core that could contend for over a decade...not the Pelicans have a team in which nobody on it currently will likely be a key player 5 years from now other than Davis.

That is just terrible franchise building around a young all timer...Cavs did the same shit around Lebron and wasted 7 years of his career with hot garbage.

I understand what your saying.. however i dont think New Orleans can afford to be as bad for as long as Philly can. The Pelicans/Hornets were on the verge of being relocated as it was, they needed to do something to win. And they did, they made the playoffs, which at least buys some time.

Philly will always have a market, they can play the lottery for the next 30 years if they want and they'll still have a team. New Orleans doesnt have that luxury, they need to try and do things the San Antonio way, by attempting to trade shrewdly and via smart drafting and development, NOT bottoming out for 5 years.

Was the trade good? Probably not, but its a business, New Orleans ownerships priority was being competitive ASAP which they achieved (rough start this season though), while Philadelphia were only ever planning to tank. And that doesnt look like ending any time soon.

[DMAVS41]

I understand what your saying.. however i dont think New Orleans can afford to be as bad for as long as Philly can. The Pelicans/Hornets were on the verge of being relocated as it was, they needed to do something to win. And they did, they made the playoffs, which at least buys some time.

Philly will always have a market, they can play the lottery for the next 30 years if they want and they'll still have a team. New Orleans doesnt have that luxury, they need to try and do things the San Antonio way, by attempting to trade shrewdly and via smart drafting and development, NOT bottoming out for 5 years.

Was the trade good? Probably not, but its a business, New Orleans ownerships priority was being competitive ASAP which they achieved (rough start this season though), while Philadelphia were only ever planning to tank. And that doesnt look like ending any time soon.

Of course they can't be as bad as the Sixers...that would be stupid with AD.

In fact, it would just be impossible.

The trade was terrible both for the short term and long term.

In no way did the Pelicans need to bottom out for 5 years. They just needed to not rush the process to try and be mediocre.