Philadelphia 0-6

[bobopenguin]

no excuses..
this team has gather enough lottery picks...

[BigNBAfan]

Damn a team formed from the worst posters like the BTEers could have just as bad of a record and thats while they jerk off to weird octopus anime porn

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Damn a team formed from the worst posters like the BTEers could have just as bad of a record and thats while they jerk off to weird octopus anime porn

:oldlol:

[notatop29pg]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.

[AI09]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.

I'd rather have Noel than Jrue. The sixers were screwed when they traded for Bynum. Stefanskie and Doug Collins screwed the sixers, Hinkie is cleaning up the mess.
Next year
Noel Okafor Embiid Saric 4 first rounders and all the cap space we also got some 2nd rounder Canaan and Grant looking like nba players and Holmes is impressive too not to mention Stauskas is playing well too

[oarabbus]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.

:oldlol: :applause:


Seriously, how many 1st round picks do these guys need? They're STILL tanking?

Fu.ck the garbage dogshit GM and front office. They make a mockery of the sport.

[LilEddyCurry]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.
That was actually a very good trade, however, the other pick they got from the trade is yet to come to Philli (Saric). Also Embiid has never played one game, they traded MCW and also traded KJ McDaniels... They have gone overboard with the tanking.

[Run&Gun=Fun]

They should trade Noel for Markieff Morris, Might need to be a three team deal.

Okafor and Noel are both centers, okafor is better and Noel can't play PF - there's no need to guard him outside 10ft

Sixers need to actually start constructing a team, not just selecting who's next on Jay Bilas' best available chart, on draft night.

Pull your head in Sixer FO.

[Sarcastic]

Trust the process.

[stalkerforlife]

Cavs get to play teams like the Sixers and the Nets 4 times a year.

lol

[Bay Area Baller]

They should just relegate them to the D league, and let the winner of the D-league move to Seattle to remake their franchise. Problem solved.:rockon: :rockon:

[SwishSquared]

That was actually a very good trade, however, the other pick they got from the trade is yet to come to Philli (Saric). Also Embiid has never played one game, they traded MCW and also traded KJ McDaniels... They have gone overboard with the tanking.Embiid, MCW, and McDaniels have nothing to do with the Nerlens Noel trade.

When they traded Payton after drafting him, they received a future draft pick they owed to the Magic. They certainly would have lost that.

McDaniels didn't want to be in Philly. Both he and his mother made that clear. However, he wouldn't be making lotto pick-money without playing there. He's not getting mins in Houston.

Re: Embiid- yeah that's a tricky situation. Maybe he can stay healthy, but who knows. MCW hasn't really improved and they got potentially a great draft pick in return for him.

They went all-in with the tanking, but it's better imo than signing some FAs to boost you from a bottom 3 to a bottom 10 team. They're building the draft unless a trade materializes. They at least have a plan, but it remains to be seen if it will ever work.

[DMV2]

this was expected.

anybody who thought they'd win more than 20 games are idiots.

[ArbitraryWater]

Trust the process.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LoneyROY7]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

If you think that was a good trade for the Pelicans, you are absolutely delusional.

[Jameerthefear]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.
is this a troll post?

[Jameerthefear]

They should trade Noel for Markieff Morris, Might need to be a three team deal.

Okafor and Noel are both centers, okafor is better and Noel can't play PF - there's no need to guard him outside 10ft

Sixers need to actually start constructing a team, not just selecting who's next on Jay Bilas' best available chart, on draft night.

Pull your head in Sixer FO.
:facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Trust the process.
6ers young talent > knicks young talent

[Legends66NBA7]

It will at least take 5 years to garner all the talent and start having a winning team again.

[LoneyROY7]

is this a troll post?

Yeah, he parodied my post from the Pelicans 0-6 thread b/c he's salty his team sucks. :oldlol:

[oarabbus]

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/16/philadelphia-76ers-sam-hinkie-joel-embiid-brett-brown-process

Great article on this dysfunctional franchise. Hinkie is a true embarassment to the league. If a team is the worst 3 years in a row, take away their their top draft pick. Force them into the luxury tax to get out of being the worst, I think it's a fair punishment.

This franchise is a disgrace to the NBA.

[SwishSquared]

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/16/philadelphia-76ers-sam-hinkie-joel-embiid-brett-brown-process

Great article on this dysfunctional franchise. Hinkie is a true embarassment to the league. If a team is the worst 3 years in a row, take away their their top draft pick. Force them into the luxury tax to get out of being the worst, I think it's a fair punishment.

This franchise is a disgrace to the NBA.This is long but some stuff needs to be addressed:

They've had the 2nd worst record for the past 2 years. Milwaukee was worse in 2013-2014 and the T-Wolves were worse last year. Pretty SAC has drafted between 4th and 8th for the last 7 years. They made bad trades and signings. Is that much better honestly?

Hiding Jrue's injury was awful. Really unethical and they honestly got off pretty lightly. I hate that dishonesty- biggest blemish on Hinkie's record imo.

This article also had some major incorrect facts. They originally falsely reported on Dario Saric's contract, which had been written about since the time he was drafted. He also will be coming over for next year and will not evade the rookie scale contract. He's coming over sooner than Mirotic did, for example. To be fair, this article was written prior to an interview with Saric where he explicitly said he's coming to the NBA after this season. But it was expected that it was more likely for him to come than not come, based on sources close to him. The writer could have gotten that info from r/nba.

Also misrepresented their CEO's role- claimed he was President and inferred that he had say in personnel decisions. Hinkie is president and answers only to the majority owner- has final say on the roster otherwise.

They had to change the article very quickly after publication based on being called out on social media.

You can question Hinkie's drafting but he's been amazing at trades. Should be noted that he told New Orleans to draft Noel and likely told Orlando to pick Saric, so he should get some credit for those picks. They have an imbalanced roster and that's on Hinkie. He has found a couple nice pieces off the scrap heap, such as Convington. McConnell has impressed so far considering he was undrafted.

Embiid very may be a total bust, he may be a bench player eventually. I think this pick ticks off people the most. If they took some healthy perimeter play (maybe Marcus Smart), people likely wouldn't view this team as negatively. Embiid hasn't had a great attitude either through this whole thing- he wasn't Wes Matthews during his rehab. However, his brother did die before the start of last season and he took it really hard. This article also ran on the 1-year anniversary of his death. Some found fault with the timing of its release, including Brett Brown.

They also sat on their hands in FA this summer, when even paying Corey Joseph made sense. He wouldn't improve the team that much but wouldn't hinder the development of their other players.

They are sticking to BPA in the draft, which almost all people say is best rather than going for fit. Remember how many people lamented the Lakers taking Russell over Okafor due to poor potential fit? Not saying it wasn't the right pick, but you can't blast LAL for passing on Okafor and not give credit to Philly for drafting him, even with the roster duplication. At time, basically nobody in their spot would have taken Porzingis, Hezonja, or Winslow over Okafor. Maybe that was the wrong decision, but we'll see. I personally think those 3 guys have a higher ceiling than Okafor fwiw.

EDIT: Wow that's long as heck.

Tl;dr: Article was factually wrong in some respects, Philly terribly handled Jrue situation, they don't spend any money on decent FAs, and they're not as bad you think.

[BasedTom]

they should sign this kid

http://i.imgur.com/2uh5Jjq.jpg

[r0drig0lac]

They should trade Noel for Markieff Morris, Might need to be a three team deal.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png

[AI09]

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/16/philadelphia-76ers-sam-hinkie-joel-embiid-brett-brown-process

Great article on this dysfunctional franchise. Hinkie is a true embarassment to the league. If a team is the worst 3 years in a row, take away their their top draft pick. Force them into the luxury tax to get out of being the worst, I think it's a fair punishment.

This franchise is a disgrace to the NBA.


I can't even take this article seriously to many incorrect statements, it's the sixers he doesn't need to make up story's we already suck. Every trade hinkie has made since coming over to philly can be justified even the Mcgee trade believe it or not.

Edit only thing that he did that was inexcusable was hiding Jrue injury, but w.e it's sports it happens and we got off easy on that one

[FKAri]

This is long but some stuff needs to be addressed:

They've had the 2nd worst record for the past 2 years. Milwaukee was worse in 2013-2014 and the T-Wolves were worse last year. Pretty SAC has drafted between 4th and 8th for the last 7 years. They made bad trades and signings. Is that much better honestly?

Hiding Jrue's injury was awful. Really unethical and they honestly got off pretty lightly. I hate that dishonesty- biggest blemish on Hinkie's record imo.

This article also had some major incorrect facts. They originally falsely reported on Dario Saric's contract, which had been written about since the time he was drafted. He also will be coming over for next year and will not evade the rookie scale contract. He's coming over sooner than Mirotic did, for example. To be fair, this article was written prior to an interview with Saric where he explicitly said he's coming to the NBA after this season. But it was expected that it was more likely for him to come than not come, based on sources close to him. The writer could have gotten that info from r/nba.

Also misrepresented their CEO's role- claimed he was President and inferred that he had say in personnel decisions. Hinkie is president and answers only to the majority owner- has final say on the roster otherwise.

They had to change the article very quickly after publication based on being called out on social media.

You can question Hinkie's drafting but he's been amazing at trades. Should be noted that he told New Orleans to draft Noel and likely told Orlando to pick Saric, so he should get some credit for those picks. They have an imbalanced roster and that's on Hinkie. He has found a couple nice pieces off the scrap heap, such as Convington. McConnell has impressed so far considering he was undrafted.

Embiid very may be a total bust, he may be a bench player eventually. I think this pick ticks off people the most. If they took some healthy perimeter play (maybe Marcus Smart), people likely wouldn't view this team as negatively. Embiid hasn't had a great attitude either through this whole thing- he wasn't Wes Matthews during his rehab. However, his brother did die before the start of last season and he took it really hard. This article also ran on the 1-year anniversary of his death. Some found fault with the timing of its release, including Brett Brown.

They also sat on their hands in FA this summer, when even paying Corey Joseph made sense. He wouldn't improve the team that much but wouldn't hinder the development of their other players.

They are sticking to BPA in the draft, which almost all people say is best rather than going for fit. Remember how many people lamented the Lakers taking Russell over Okafor due to poor potential fit? Not saying it wasn't the right pick, but you can't blast LAL for passing on Okafor and not give credit to Philly for drafting him, even with the roster duplication. At time, basically nobody in their spot would have taken Porzingis, Hezonja, or Winslow over Okafor. Maybe that was the wrong decision, but we'll see. I personally think those 3 guys have a higher ceiling than Okafor fwiw.

EDIT: Wow that's long as heck.

Tl;dr: Article was factually wrong in some respects, Philly terribly handled Jrue situation, they don't spend any money on decent FAs, and they're not as bad you think.

Hezonja's ceiling is probably a stronger Rudy Fernandez. Dude, like Fernandez, has no handle so can't create space or do anything off the dribble. He's either shooting the open shot or highlight dunking the basketball when the lane is wide open.

[SwishSquared]

Hezonja's ceiling is probably a stronger Rudy Fernandez. Dude, like Fernandez, has no handle so can't create space or do anything off the dribble. He's either shooting the open shot or highlight dunking the basketball when the lane is wide open.His handle is weak and will top at best average if he's lucky. However he actually has the physical tools needed to be an above average defensive player. Okafor has the physical tools to be an average defensive player at the most important defensive position.

Okafor is playing very well as a whole on offense but his PnR defense has been a disaster, as expected.

[RidonKs]

its tricky but most sixers fans should still have faith

must suck not to have a field of guys even worth playing... but that's the price you pay

they could pretty easily be in the exact same place the wizards and raptors and pistons are in

fans of those teams are exactly thrilled....

[dhsilv]

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/16/philadelphia-76ers-sam-hinkie-joel-embiid-brett-brown-process

Great article on this dysfunctional franchise. Hinkie is a true embarassment to the league. If a team is the worst 3 years in a row, take away their their top draft pick. Force them into the luxury tax to get out of being the worst, I think it's a fair punishment.

This franchise is a disgrace to the NBA.

You realize of course they haven't once had the worst record in the nba, right? They literally started tanking 2 years ago, this is the 3rd actual season of them doing this.

[notatop29pg]

Yeah, he parodied my post from the Pelicans 0-6 thread b/c he's salty his team sucks. :oldlol:

What are the teams respective records since the trade?

The wins column is the only judge.

But yes, Philly might win 25+ in 85yrs.

[SwishSquared]

What are the teams respective records since the trade?

The wins column is the only judge.

But yes, Philly might win 25+ in 85yrs.:lol

You realize Noel has played in more games as a 76ers than Jrue has in NOLA? He'd have more opportunity to positively impact the team as such.

Not doing that trade wouldn't have prevented the Pellies from other moves they made- in fact, they'd have more cap space had the still done all their other signings and trades.

It also reflects a difference in ownerships' stances- Philly is willing to be
a bottom team to hit on draft picks. NOLA wanted playoffs asap.

[notatop29pg]

:lol

You realize Noel has played in more games as a 76ers than Jrue has in NOLA? He'd have more opportunity to positively impact the team as such.

Not doing that trade wouldn't have prevented the Pellies from other moves they made- in fact, they'd have more cap space had the still done all their other signings and trades.

It also reflects a difference in ownerships' stances- Philly is willing to be
a bottom team to hit on draft picks. NOLA wanted playoffs asap.

And with the superstar Noel being such an ironman how many games have they won since the trade?

So far NOLA has at least made the playoffs.. Philly has draft picks.. 2 of which dont/cant/wont even play.

Noel/Davis would be cool.... but lets not pretend Noel is a difference maker yet.

[SwishSquared]

And with the superstar Noel being such an ironman how many games have they won since the trade?

So far NOLA has at least made the playoffs.. Philly has draft picks.. 2 of which dont/cant/wont even play.

Noel/Davis would be cool.... but lets not pretend Noel is a difference maker yet.He missed an entire season and has still played in more games- aka he played more games in his rookie year (2nd season in NBA) than Jrue did in 2 years in NOLA.

You seem to not care about logic. Philly is building through the draft and NOLA shipped out picks and used up all its cap space to bring in vets to accelerate a rebuild. That completely changes the W-L equation- one team cares and another doesn't. One player can't change the fact his FO is willing to lose. And how are you holding against Noel the fact that Hinkie took a Euro stash and an injured player in 2014? Should we now hold AD responsible for his FO's incompetence? No, that would be unwise.

Noel had the best defensive rookie season since the NBA-ABA merger. When he plays C this year, Philly is playing D at a top 5 level. Last year they were a fringe top 10 defense with him on the floor.

NN was a better defender as a rookie than Asik was for New Orleans last year. They gave Asik a $60M/5 year contract for his efforts. NN was better in DPM, DBPM, WAR, and RPM. Asik had him beat in OPM. They gave up a first round pick to get a C like Asik one offseason after they traded Noel. Everybody else low-balled Houston and they gave up a first for him.

You are also ignoring that Noel makes less than Jrue- hence they could have signed another guy (starting salary above the MLE) to help build depth. Noel has more trade value if they wanted to use him as a package. Jrue doesn't have as much trade value.

If you don't get it after those points, I can't explain it better. The trade was a disaster.

[tanks1]

2 top 10 picks.........., plus another 2 picks, Saric coming next year, and maybe Embiid.............

[DMAVS41]

Wait...people are actually defending the Noel trade?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SwishSquared]

Wait...people are actually defending the Noel trade?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:Yep, and the entire reasoning is the teams' records after the trade. That's the logic people are using to defend it in favor of NOLA.

And it's Noel's fault that Embiid hasn't played yet or Saric was unsuccessful in trying to force his way of a contract 1 year early this past summer.

For the record, I think Hinkie has to really kill it next summer. He really does. The 2014 draft was supposed to bring in many talented players but the picks didn't convey. If the picks don't convey once more, well, then he shouldn't get blamed I guess. But the value we put on those picks should decrease potentially.

I am in the camp that all picks convey, however, and that there will be roster turnover this summer. He doesn't have the same cap space advantage this offseason. Needs to sniff out deals to land studs.

[DMAVS41]

Yep, and the entire reasoning is the teams' records after the trade. That's the logic people are using to defend it in favor of NOLA.

And it's Noel's fault that Embiid hasn't played yet or Saric was unsuccessful in trying to force his way of a contract 1 year early this past summer.

For the record, I think Hinkie has to really kill it next summer. He really does. The 2014 draft was supposed to bring in many talented players but the picks didn't convey. If the picks don't convey once more, well, then he shouldn't get blamed I guess. But the value we put on those picks should decrease potentially.

I am in the camp that all picks convey, however, and that there will be roster turnover this summer. He doesn't have the same cap space advantage this offseason. Needs to sniff out deals to land studs.

:facepalm

The Sixers are fine. Okafor and Noel are legit and Saric will likely be very good.

And they just raped the Kings in a trade.

I agree that they need to start thinking about putting out a team that can win some games next season. I bet they do.

[SwishSquared]

:facepalm

The Sixers are fine. Okafor and Noel are legit and Saric will likely be very good.

And they just raped the Kings in a trade.

I agree that they need to start thinking about putting out a team that can win some games next season. I bet they do.This board has lost a lot of rational posters. I guess some people can't comprehend a vision for roster construction or rebuilding through the draft.

I think Saric will be good, but will best be suited as a killer 3rd big. His face up game can anchor a bench unit imo. The Kings trade helps their quest for ping pong balls and that future first will look really great if/when Cousins leaves.

I bet Okafor is traded next summer. Gut feeling but Noel needs to play C for majority of his mins and he fits better in modern NBA. I think between the their own pick and the LAL first (assuming it conveys), they'll have two top-6 picks. I think Okafor is moved to either land a guy like PG-13 (if Indy crashes/burns, which isn't super likely) or acquire another top 6 pick.

I think Okafor will be better than Big Al/Kanter, but I'd rather try to land 3 of Simmons/Ingram/Skal/Bender/Brown/Murray or get at least 1 of them + established star than find out if Jah will start playing hard on D. I think Okafor's value after this year will be boosted due to his offensive counting stats.

[dhsilv]

:facepalm

The Sixers are fine. Okafor and Noel are legit and Saric will likely be very good.

And they just raped the Kings in a trade.

I agree that they need to start thinking about putting out a team that can win some games next season. I bet they do.

Until they can sign a Durant type player OR draft one, they should keep trading their assets for more asset down the road. I'd rather have an extra 10 first round picks from 2020-2025 for example than win 40 games and have maybe a first round exit from the playoffs. Until you have a franchise player, you're better off getting ping pong balls.

[SwishSquared]

Until they can sign a Durant type player OR draft one, they should keep trading their assets for more asset down the road. I'd rather have an extra 10 first round picks from 2020-2025 for example than win 40 games and have maybe a first round exit from the playoffs. Until you have a franchise player, you're better off getting ping pong balls.I don't want to speak for DMAVS41, but I don't think he meant they'll gear up to go from 20 wins this year to 40 wins next season by signing some vets to overpays.

I think Hinkie needs to find a way to consolidate some picks/players into 2-3 top-end players. They have a couple good role players (Covington, potentially Stauskas, etc.). They have potential rotation bigs (Wood, Holmes) that should grow. They have other athletic freaks that may develop some useful Js. I think they can combine picks + one young guy (or more) to move up in the draft for another blue-chipper if a trade for a guy like Paul George doesn't materialize.

[STATUTORY]

Okafor doing work

[LoneyROY7]

What are the teams respective records since the trade?

The wins column is the only judge.

But yes, Philly might win 25+ in 85yrs.

:roll:

Short-sighted and non-sensical. Congrats. Late-lottery purgatory here you come.

[dhsilv]

I don't want to speak for DMAVS41, but I don't think he meant they'll gear up to go from 20 wins this year to 40 wins next season by signing some vets to overpays.

I think Hinkie needs to find a way to consolidate some picks/players into 2-3 top-end players. They have a couple good role players (Covington, potentially Stauskas, etc.). They have potential rotation bigs (Wood, Holmes) that should grow. They have other athletic freaks that may develop some useful Js. I think they can combine picks + one young guy (or more) to move up in the draft for another blue-chipper if a trade for a guy like Paul George doesn't materialize.

Agree. They're looking for people like Cousins to come available. They're looking to show case young guys who get minutes and convert them into picks.

Reality is next year if they add 4 first round picks and they're legit talent. They should be better. They'll have without trades a legit group of nba level players. They're better off trading some of those guys at least that's my view and it sounds like you're in agreement.

BTW this team isn't boring to watch. Like they are legitimately fun at times. If I were a philly fan I'd not mind watching them even if they loose.

[notatop29pg]

:roll:

Short-sighted and non-sensical. Congrats. Late-lottery purgatory here you come.

So basically the same as second round purgatory but higher draft picks?

[SwishSquared]

Agree. They're looking for people like Cousins to come available. They're looking to show case young guys who get minutes and convert them into picks.

Reality is next year if they add 4 first round picks and they're legit talent. They should be better. They'll have without trades a legit group of nba level players. They're better off trading some of those guys at least that's my view and it sounds like you're in agreement.

BTW this team isn't boring to watch. Like they are legitimately fun at times. If I were a philly fan I'd not mind watching them even if they loose.I've caught a couple of their games recently and they max out for a half or so and it's awesome to watch. They just run out of gas and/or talent lol after that but this team isn't terrible to watch at all.

And they've been without a healthy Covington, their best offensive player last season, for basically the whole year. I think a couple games he played he was banged up.

I agree- if the right trade comes along, I'd pull the trigger. I'd always be open to offers. I wouldn't even be afraid to move Okafor.

[dhsilv]

I've caught a couple of their games recently and they max out for a half or so and it's awesome to watch. They just run out of gas and/or talent lol after that but this team isn't terrible to watch at all.

And they've been without a healthy Covington, their best offensive player last season, for basically the whole year. I think a couple games he played he was banged up.

I agree- if the right trade comes along, I'd pull the trigger. I'd always be open to offers. I wouldn't even be afraid to move Okafor.

IMO Noel is the guy to keep and Okafor is their big trade bait. I could be wrong, might be, but to me Noel fit with anyone who isn't a center only and Okafor is just never going to be a super star. He'll be a really really good post player.

[SwishSquared]

IMO Noel is the guy to keep and Okafor is their big trade bait. I could be wrong, might be, but to me Noel fit with anyone who isn't a center only and Okafor is just never going to be a super star. He'll be a really really good post player.I agree. He seems like a prime candidate to be the main piece in a big trade.

Noel might be an average offensive (or worse) player at his peak but he could very well be a top 5 defensive player. That's a lot more important from C position nowadays than the combo of great scorer + meh defense that Okafor will provide.

[LoneyROY7]

So basically the same as second round purgatory but higher draft picks?

Hmmm, I'll take a team with one of the strongest rosters in the NBA (Clippers) over your team's hilariously flawed attempt at one.

But hey, you guys made the playoffs once and got swept, so it was ALL worth it!

[DMAVS41]

Agree. They're looking for people like Cousins to come available. They're looking to show case young guys who get minutes and convert them into picks.

Reality is next year if they add 4 first round picks and they're legit talent. They should be better. They'll have without trades a legit group of nba level players. They're better off trading some of those guys at least that's my view and it sounds like you're in agreement.

BTW this team isn't boring to watch. Like they are legitimately fun at times. If I were a philly fan I'd not mind watching them even if they loose.

Yea, a true stud around 25 would be great, but I was more talking about young talented role player type guys that they think will grow and produce +EV over the long term.

The entire team is basically 24 or under (I think Covington might be 25)...so any star they get needs to be around 25...and those are really really really hard to come by.

I'd just like to see them start to fill out the roster with legit NBA players 25 or under starting this summer. They have an insane amount of draft picks coming to them for a long time...and this year they really could get a top 3 pick (their own) and then a top 7 pick or better from the Lakers.

Yea, picks are really never a bad thing, but at some point you have to build the team. Especially if Embed is going to be a real player.

We'll see....

[Levity]

It's become real evident how much the 76ers f*cked themselves trading Jrue for Nerlens.
:eek:

dude, thats a legit simplejack impression you got going on!

[DMAVS41]

So basically the same as second round purgatory but higher draft picks?

You can't be serious.

You are honestly telling me you'd rather have Jrue than Noel and two first round picks?

Because with Noel...you don't make the Asik trade...LOL. And now you've given a bad contract to Asik...this is the nightmare scenario...it's a disaster and you better be very thankful your franchise lucked into Davis because this is all time bad franchise building we are witnessing.

You would have still made the playoffs last year also probably. Noel was easily a better player than Holiday last year...with Holiday being hurt most of the year yet again.

It's one of the worst trades in NBA history...and possibly the dumbest in history because it didn't make sense on any level at all. Other trades end up being bad based on results, but at least there was logic behind them to begin with. This trade fails on both the results and logic behind it...which is very rare.

[Springsteen]

Obviously 3+ seasons of sucking farts isn't ideal, but at least this is a young core that can develop on the floor (Noel, Okafor, etc.) as opposed to the atrocity of 14 barely D-League worthy players and the corpse of Jason Richardson last season.

Plus, there's also Ben Simmons this draft, so there's that.

[smoovegittar]

6ers young talent > knicks young talent

Knicks only have 3 talented young players with upside. Remind us how many are on Sixers -

[FireDavidKahn]

76'ers ORTG with Okafor on the court: 93.4
76'ers ORTG with Okafor off the court: 109

76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor on the court: 115.2
76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor off the court: 100

Net: -30.8

Net: -30.8

Net: -30.8

[notatop29pg]

You can't be serious.

You are honestly telling me you'd rather have Jrue than Noel and two first round picks?

Because with Noel...you don't make the Asik trade...LOL. And now you've given a bad contract to Asik...this is the nightmare scenario...it's a disaster and you better be very thankful your franchise lucked into Davis because this is all time bad franchise building we are witnessing.

You would have still made the playoffs last year also probably. Noel was easily a better player than Holiday last year...with Holiday being hurt most of the year yet again.

It's one of the worst trades in NBA history...and possibly the dumbest in history because it didn't make sense on any level at all. Other trades end up being bad based on results, but at least there was logic behind them to begin with. This trade fails on both the results and logic behind it...which is very rare.

I'm not saying that at all, i think having Noel next to Davis would be pretty cool to watch. But how effective it would be nobody knows.

And you are assuming that the Pels would have all this cap space left and would be a 100% certainty to have a fantastic point guard to bird feed Davis, maybe Vasquez you say? Because all of a sudden now that he has left the Pels he is a game changer? Nope sorry, the guy is an absolute dude, he consistently missed Davis wide open under the basket about 25 times a game without fail, only to jack up a 3. Payton? Meh, broke mans Rondo at the very best. So now we have:

Payton
Gordon
Reke
Davis
Noel

So basically you guard AD and Gordon (providing he's healthy) while the rest you don't even look at until they are 4 feet or closer to the basket.

Yes i know 2K16 makes Noel and Payton 85-90 players in about 3 years.

Unfortunately there are other circumstances the paper traders and 2K GMs don't have top deal with.

Blah blah cap space saved by not needing Asic... great, because New Orleans is LA and cap space guarantees the Durant or equivalent. No. The chances are they would have overpaid for someone else just to get them in the door, like Tristan Thompson or Draymond Green etc.. both of those guys wouldn't get 20 mins on the floor outside of their current teams system ie Lance Stephenson @ Indy.


Anyway, long story short -

This was a move made due to specific circumstances that don't affect all teams:

- New owner
- Crappy fanbase
- Lots of rich dudes just waiting to take the team and move it elsewhere
- do you really think the NBA didn't advise Benson that if he wanted the team to stay he was going to have to make it competitive FAST? They certainly didn't fight off all those external relocation motivated guys just to have a team which couldnt hit 50 wins over the past 4 seasons combined.

Do i like the move? No! i hated it the second i saw it scroll across the screen on draft day. I love the idea of stockpiling picks and watching young guys develop (no pedo). Unfortunately i follow New Orleans sports very closely (i'm Australian) and i know that if they went the Philly route, Davis wouldn't have resigned and they wouldn't even have the chance to use those picks, as the guys they pick would up and leave as soon as possible anyway.

All time bad move? Nah, all time bad situation creating the move.

A bad move is what the nets did, or OKC did in quibbling over an extra 3 million for Harden.

[SwishSquared]

I'm not saying that at all, i think having Noel next to Davis would be pretty cool to watch. But how effective it would be nobody knows.

And you are assuming that the Pels would have all this cap space left and would be a 100% certainty to have a fantastic point guard to bird feed Davis, maybe Vasquez you say? Because all of a sudden now that he has left the Pels he is a game changer? Nope sorry, the guy is an absolute dude, he consistently missed Davis wide open under the basket about 25 times a game without fail, only to jack up a 3. Payton? Meh, broke mans Rondo at the very best. So now we have:

Payton
Gordon
Reke
Davis
Noel

So basically you guard AD and Gordon (providing he's healthy) while the rest you don't even look at until they are 4 feet or closer to the basket.

Yes i know 2K16 makes Noel and Payton 85-90 players in about 3 years.

Unfortunately there are other circumstances the paper traders and 2K GMs don't have top deal with.

Blah blah cap space saved by not needing Asic... great, because New Orleans is LA and cap space guarantees the Durant or equivalent. No. The chances are they would have overpaid for someone else just to get them in the door, like Tristan Thompson or Draymond Green etc.. both of those guys wouldn't get 20 mins on the floor outside of their current teams system ie Lance Stephenson @ Indy.


Anyway, long story short -

This was a move made due to specific circumstances that don't affect all teams:

- New owner
- Crappy fanbase
- Lots of rich dudes just waiting to take the team and move it elsewhere
- do you really think the NBA didn't advise Benson that if he wanted the team to stay he was going to have to make it competitive FAST? They certainly didn't fight off all those external relocation motivated guys just to have a team which couldnt hit 50 wins over the past 4 seasons combined.

Do i like the move? No! i hated it the second i saw it scroll across the screen on draft day. I love the idea of stockpiling picks and watching young guys develop (no pedo). Unfortunately i follow New Orleans sports very closely (i'm Australian) and i know that if they went the Philly route, Davis wouldn't have resigned and they wouldn't even have the chance to use those picks, as the guys they pick would up and leave as soon as possible anyway.

All time bad move? Nah, all time bad situation creating the move.

A bad move is what the nets did, or OKC did in quibbling over an extra 3 million for Harden.The ownership messed up the rebuild but the point re: Vazquez is this- New Orleans traded him + Robin Lopez + 2nd rounder to overpay Tyreke. Evans just had his 3rd knee surgery iirc and unfortunately can't get on the floor yet. Vasquez himself just got traded for a first this summer. I'd argue that they gave up too much to get Evans (esp because Lopez was on a deal paying him like $5.5M/year and Vasquez was on a rookie deal still).

If you don't sign Evans or do the Jrue trade, you could have used that same cap space to instead get 2 first and 2 seconds from GSW that allowed them to acquire Iggy. The 1st first-rounder yielded Rodney Hood, who is starting for the Jazz. That's your long-term replacement for Eric Gordon, as an aside.

Also, if Tyreke or Jrue aren't on the roster, New Orleans' record in 2014 would have been worse than 9th overall in the draft lotto (obviously CLE jumped, pushing NOLA to 10th). I'd wager that they would have been in position to land Marcus Smart b/c once AD got hurt in 2013-2014, the roster would have been putrid instead of having Tyreke carry them.

You could have been the salary dump location for Jared Dudley in summer 2014 (the pick LAC sent to get rid of him was actually used this offseason to acquire Vasquez from the Raptors). With extra picks from GSW & LAC, you could have gotten Thomas when the Suns dumped him.

The roster wouldn't have been playoff-worthy last year, but you would have been a mid-lotto team in position to get a guy like Stanley Johnson or Winslow. And you would have kept your pick instead of trading it for Asik. Preserving cap space, you could have been the dumping ground for Sacramento, yielding 2 pick swaps, a future first, and Stauskas.

Like you said, ownership disallowed this strategy. Both this team missed out on extra young talent simply by trying to get good as fast as possible. I don't agree with tanking and sitting on your hands and maybe all these moves are unrealistic (no FO is perfect), but it would put the Pelicans in a better position to get nice FA pick-ups this past summer and next summer. That plan yielded 5 guys on rookie deals, a vet on a killer contract (I. Thomas), and tons of cap flexibility to make a splash

[DMAVS41]

I'm not saying that at all, i think having Noel next to Davis would be pretty cool to watch. But how effective it would be nobody knows.

And you are assuming that the Pels would have all this cap space left and would be a 100% certainty to have a fantastic point guard to bird feed Davis, maybe Vasquez you say? Because all of a sudden now that he has left the Pels he is a game changer? Nope sorry, the guy is an absolute dude, he consistently missed Davis wide open under the basket about 25 times a game without fail, only to jack up a 3. Payton? Meh, broke mans Rondo at the very best. So now we have:

Payton
Gordon
Reke
Davis
Noel

So basically you guard AD and Gordon (providing he's healthy) while the rest you don't even look at until they are 4 feet or closer to the basket.

Yes i know 2K16 makes Noel and Payton 85-90 players in about 3 years.

Unfortunately there are other circumstances the paper traders and 2K GMs don't have top deal with.

Blah blah cap space saved by not needing Asic... great, because New Orleans is LA and cap space guarantees the Durant or equivalent. No. The chances are they would have overpaid for someone else just to get them in the door, like Tristan Thompson or Draymond Green etc.. both of those guys wouldn't get 20 mins on the floor outside of their current teams system ie Lance Stephenson @ Indy.


Anyway, long story short -

This was a move made due to specific circumstances that don't affect all teams:

- New owner
- Crappy fanbase
- Lots of rich dudes just waiting to take the team and move it elsewhere
- do you really think the NBA didn't advise Benson that if he wanted the team to stay he was going to have to make it competitive FAST? They certainly didn't fight off all those external relocation motivated guys just to have a team which couldnt hit 50 wins over the past 4 seasons combined.

Do i like the move? No! i hated it the second i saw it scroll across the screen on draft day. I love the idea of stockpiling picks and watching young guys develop (no pedo). Unfortunately i follow New Orleans sports very closely (i'm Australian) and i know that if they went the Philly route, Davis wouldn't have resigned and they wouldn't even have the chance to use those picks, as the guys they pick would up and leave as soon as possible anyway.

All time bad move? Nah, all time bad situation creating the move.

A bad move is what the nets did, or OKC did in quibbling over an extra 3 million for Harden.


dude...we get why they did it.

I'm saying it was stupid.

It was both stupid to rush the process and stupid in how they did it.

[SwishSquared]

dude...we get why they did it.

I'm saying it was stupid.

It was both stupid to rush the process and stupid in how they did it.I feel dumb for writing out an essay now lol.

[DoctorP]

no excuses

[dhsilv]

Yea, a true stud around 25 would be great, but I was more talking about young talented role player type guys that they think will grow and produce +EV over the long term.

The entire team is basically 24 or under (I think Covington might be 25)...so any star they get needs to be around 25...and those are really really really hard to come by.

I'd just like to see them start to fill out the roster with legit NBA players 25 or under starting this summer. They have an insane amount of draft picks coming to them for a long time...and this year they really could get a top 3 pick (their own) and then a top 7 pick or better from the Lakers.

Yea, picks are really never a bad thing, but at some point you have to build the team. Especially if Embed is going to be a real player.

We'll see....

Hear me out. We all recall when boston brought in Allen and KG and out of nowhere they were an NBA contender.

The 76ers have the pieces to and cap room to make this happen if such events happen. Once you land a star (cousins) then you can get other stars to come to you. When you add in that you can sell how you have x number of picks already locked up in 2020 or whatever, that you have these players stashed over seas, a smart player (not cousins) will see them as a legit place to go.

You don't need to build a core of young talent until you have someone to build around. As long as kicking the can puts you in a better position in the future it's not a bad thing until you have the pieces to actually win.

The last thing I want to see is a group of good nba players with no star or leader winning 40 games a year. Most of the league is in that 38-48 win range and just aren't going anywhere.

[DMAVS41]

I feel dumb for writing out an essay now lol.

Haha...don't...I liked reading it.

Just nothing to add and wanted to make it clear that we understand why the franchise did it...our point is that both doing it was stupid and how they did was stupid.

I'd still hate it if they gave up Noel and 2 first rounders for just about anything, but if they had gotten Middleton and Markief Morris / Cody Zeller or something...it would be a lot different of course because you'd actually have guys that have a future on the franchise long term.

The return for Noel, a lottery pick, and a first rounder for Asik and Jrue is just abysmal.

[dhsilv]

You can't be serious.

You are honestly telling me you'd rather have Jrue than Noel and two first round picks?

Because with Noel...you don't make the Asik trade...LOL. And now you've given a bad contract to Asik...this is the nightmare scenario...it's a disaster and you better be very thankful your franchise lucked into Davis because this is all time bad franchise building we are witnessing.

You would have still made the playoffs last year also probably. Noel was easily a better player than Holiday last year...with Holiday being hurt most of the year yet again.

It's one of the worst trades in NBA history...and possibly the dumbest in history because it didn't make sense on any level at all. Other trades end up being bad based on results, but at least there was logic behind them to begin with. This trade fails on both the results and logic behind it...which is very rare.

As I understand it, the GM was told to make the playoffs and as soon as possible, period. I just want it on record that the GM isn't the blame for all of this, the owners are the problem!

[DMAVS41]

Hear me out. We all recall when boston brought in Allen and KG and out of nowhere they were an NBA contender.

The 76ers have the pieces to and cap room to make this happen if such events happen. Once you land a star (cousins) then you can get other stars to come to you. When you add in that you can sell how you have x number of picks already locked up in 2020 or whatever, that you have these players stashed over seas, a smart player (not cousins) will see them as a legit place to go.

You don't need to build a core of young talent until you have someone to build around. As long as kicking the can puts you in a better position in the future it's not a bad thing until you have the pieces to actually win.

The last thing I want to see is a group of good nba players with no star or leader winning 40 games a year. Most of the league is in that 38-48 win range and just aren't going anywhere.

sure, if you want to go the Celtics route you could probably do that after the draft this year or during the summer.

i don't really like the celtics route here though. it depends though...if they get Cousins and another superstar then I'm all for it....because Cousins is so young.

If it was a bunch of old guys like the Celtics were...I wouldn't want to do it.

[DMAVS41]

As I understand it, the GM was told to make the playoffs and as soon as possible, period. I just want it on record that the GM isn't the blame for all of this, the owners are the problem!

Yea, again, we get it...doesn't mean it was smart. Both the idea and the process were incredibly flawed.

[dhsilv]

sure, if you want to go the Celtics route you could probably do that after the draft this year or during the summer.

i don't really like the celtics route here though. it depends though...if they get Cousins and another superstar then I'm all for it....because Cousins is so young.

If it was a bunch of old guys like the Celtics were...I wouldn't want to do it.

Well, they don't have a Pierce. But if you get a cousins would you have an issue with adding a Ray Allen and KG? Oh yeah and you have a mountain of picks and cap flexibility just in case?

The weird thing is the huge cap increase is kinda making their cap room look weird, but still being a leader in cap room isn't a bad thing. It's just not as valuable as it could have been.

[dhsilv]

Yea, again, we get it...doesn't mean it was smart. Both the idea and the process were incredibly flawed.

What is the goal?

If you need to make x in cash in y years, maybe it was smart? You're acting like all teams have the same goals and objectives. Sadly it is not true.

[STATUTORY]

76'ers ORTG with Okafor on the court: 93.4
76'ers ORTG with Okafor off the court: 109

76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor on the court: 115.2
76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor off the court: 100

Net: -30.8

Net: -30.8

Net: -30.8

Lakers made a mistake in selecting Russell doe :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DMAVS41]

What is the goal?

If you need to make x in cash in y years, maybe it was smart? You're acting like all teams have the same goals and objectives. Sadly it is not true.

So the goal was to build a team that could only peak as a first round exit for a couple years and have to rebuild after?

I don't buy it.

But sure...if the goal was to rush to make the playoffs and not try to set up a long term contending team...ok.

I just assume ultimately any team with a player like Davis is trying to build a contender.

If that wasn't their goal...then there really aren't any smart or stupid moves.

I don't know....anyway...I'm not interested in debating whether or not it was smart if the goal was to make quick cash.

[notatop29pg]

What is the goal?

If you need to make x in cash in y years, maybe it was smart? You're acting like all teams have the same goals and objectives. Sadly it is not true.

Bingo.

First and foremost its a business. With the objectives being to bring revenue to the owner and the city.

No doubt it is just a tax dump for some, but definitely not for Benson.

But at the end of the day.. we are all still waiting for this brilliant strategy for the sixers to actually come to fruition... It wont be this season.. it wont be next.. when will it do something?

If its been terrible for New Orleans then its been terrible for Philly too, they are still 5 years away from competing.

[SwishSquared]

Haha...don't...I liked reading it.

Just nothing to add and wanted to make it clear that we understand why the franchise did it...our point is that both doing it was stupid and how they did was stupid.

I'd still hate it if they gave up Noel and 2 first rounders for just about anything, but if they had gotten Middleton and Markief Morris / Cody Zeller or something...it would be a lot different of course because you'd actually have guys that have a future on the franchise long term.

The return for Noel, a lottery pick, and a first rounder for Asik and Jrue is just abysmal.I think I've written the gist of that three times this week alone lol. Thanks for the good feedback.

I agree- the return was really, really bad. The strategy was unlikely to work unless they traded those picks + Noel for a sure-fire star.

This sounds pessimistic but I don't think New Orleans is winning a playoff round this year. There are kinda stuck bringing back guys like Anderson and Gordon if they want to remain over the cap to get the MLE. I have to look into it but I think if they let those guys walk this summer then they don't have sufficient room to replace them adequately. Team is stuck with same roster unless I'm off.

[notatop29pg]

So the goal was to build a team that could only peak as a first round exit for a couple years and have to rebuild after?

I don't buy it.

But sure...if the goal was to rush to make the playoffs and not try to set up a long term contending team...ok.

I just assume ultimately any team with a player like Davis is trying to build a contender.

If that wasn't their goal...then there really aren't any smart or stupid moves.

I don't know....anyway...I'm not interested in debating whether or not it was smart if the goal was to make quick cash.

First goal had to be to keep Davis. That might have been difficult with 10 wins for the season.

Goal achieved.

This season Ryan Anderson and EG come off the books, that's a fair chunk of salary to spend. Im interested to see how they handle that, as they could realistically land a high draft pick this season while ditching EG and Anderson and signing a couple of young talents.

Who's to say that wasn't the master plan all along? Remain competitive until they could get rid of EG and Anderson?

I mean Philly are brilliant for planning for a 10 year dynasty some time in the next 50 years.. so surely its not a reach?

[notatop29pg]

I think I've written the gist of that three times this week alone lol. Thanks for the good feedback.

I agree- the return was really, really bad. The strategy was unlikely to work unless they traded those picks + Noel for a sure-fire star.

This sounds pessimistic but I don't think New Orleans is winning a playoff round this year. There are kinda stuck bringing back guys like Anderson and Gordon if they want to remain over the cap to get the MLE. I have to look into it but I think if they let those guys walk this summer then they don't have sufficient room to replace them adequately. Team is stuck with same roster unless I'm off.

My understanding was that there would be some serious cash available after this season.

Not Durant level cash.. but significant.

[SwishSquared]

My understanding was that there would be some serious cash available after this season.

Not Durant level cash.. but significant.I think you'll have ~$66M committed to 7 players if you renounce rights to all free agents. That opens up a lot of room potentially actually, but you''d need to replace 2 main pieces in the rotation. I read an article recently that talked about their options but maybe the author was mistaken.

Accounting for empty roster charges and a 1st round pick, you're looking at < $20M of space + the Room Exception assuming an $89M cap.

[dhsilv]

So the goal was to build a team that could only peak as a first round exit for a couple years and have to rebuild after?

I don't buy it.

But sure...if the goal was to rush to make the playoffs and not try to set up a long term contending team...ok.

I just assume ultimately any team with a player like Davis is trying to build a contender.

If that wasn't their goal...then there really aren't any smart or stupid moves.

I don't know....anyway...I'm not interested in debating whether or not it was smart if the goal was to make quick cash.

Oh I'm not going to debate if the goal was smart, well I'll say I think it was stupid as hell, but that was the goal.

One thing I've learned in my by most measures short career. I've worked for a technology start up funded by VC's, a small non profit, and a large fortune 500 bank. At all companies I've been able to work with senior leaders all be it at the fortune 500 senior takes on a bit lesser meaning in title. Goals for all 3 levels are often baffling and make no sense to me.

I can't imagine a billion dollar entertainment company (an nba team) is any more logical.

[Styles p]

its funny other teams tank and you never hear anything about them the sixers go ahead and do it and it's a huge deal:oldlol: get off our dick. since we couldn't attract a star free agents i guess fans of other teams think we should just keep signing average players to max deals and barely make the playoffs every year, no thanks. seen that far too long it's time to draft our star players and find some good role players for cheap deals(RoCo) hinkie is doing a fine job of it. and people talking shit that we traded a hurt jrue what about the lakers trading us a hurt bynum? nah guess we'll never hear about that :rolleyes:

[notatop29pg]

its funny other teams tank and you never hear anything about them the sixers go ahead and do it and it's a huge deal:oldlol: get off our dick. since we couldn't attract a star free agents i guess fans of other teams think we should just keep signing average players to max deals and barely make the playoffs every year, no thanks. seen that far too long it's time to draft our star players and find some good role players for cheap deals(RoCo) hinkie is doing a fine job of it. and people talking shit that we traded a hurt jrue what about the lakers trading us a hurt bynum? nah guess we'll never hear about that :rolleyes:

Its obviously a viable method.. i think the question is when does it end? When will they start the move upwards? Surely you cant just keep selling hope?

Should fans be expecting no less than multiple rings over the next decade?

[Styles p]

this is the last season for the tank. we have saric coming over next season and embiid coming back a ton of money to spend and a brand new training facility.