Can the Spurs trade Tony Parker?

[keep-itreal]

they should

[BasedTom]

they should cut him

[Paul George 24]

they should
we are not lebron james,who is cool blood :no:

[LoneyROY7]

We'll take him. He'd be a great back-up PG for CP.

[ninephive]

We still need him for clutch situations:

https://youtu.be/QUlpfF2XvNM

[4 Inches]

White boys on reddit ain't gon love it doe

[Kawhi]

We'll take him. He'd be a great back-up PG for CP.
Yes please, Porker is worse than Kobe and Rose. Please take him of the Spurs' hands. I beg.

[LoneyROY7]

Yes please, Porker is worse than Kobe and Rose. Please take him of the Spurs' hands. I beg.

Still shooting 52 percent from the field. He'd be a great change-of-pace back-up PG for us.

[rmt]

Imagine how Spurs fan will be complaining 2 years from now when Parker will be getting $15.4+ million at age 36?

The only way for me to reconcile it in my head is to PRETEND that it's Duncan who's earning Parker's salary and Parker who's earning the $5 million that TD's now getting. Then the question is - is Parker worth $5 million per year? Compare to Patty Mills who is earning $3.5 million:

Parker 11 pts / 3.5 asst 27 mins 52.8%FG 12.6 PER 0.3 WS -2.3 BPM 0 VORP
Mills 8.7 pts / 2.2 asst 21 mins 57.1%FG 16.9 PER 0.5 WS 4.4 BPM 0.2 VORP

[Kawhi]

Still shooting 52 percent from the field. He'd be a great change-of-pace back-up PG for us.
I'm warning you. Porker got annihilated by Kemba Walker the other night. Not to mention the Spurs went on a 36-6ish run as soon as Enrique checked out.

[ninephive]

Imagine how Spurs fan will be complaining 2 years from now when Parker will be getting $15.4+ million at age 36?

The only way for me to reconcile it in my head is to PRETEND that it's Duncan who's earning Parker's salary and Parker who's earning the $5 million that TD's now getting. Then the question is - is Parker worth $5 million per year? Compare to Patty Mills who is earning $3.5 million:

Parker 11 pts / 3.5 asst 27 mins 52.8%FG 12.6 PER 0.3 WS -2.3 BPM 0 VORP
Mills 8.7 pts / 2.2 asst 21 mins 57.1%FG 16.9 PER 0.5 WS 4.4 BPM 0.2 VORP
The sad thing really is that Parker finished top-6 in MVP voting twice, top-12 two other times, and never once in his career will he be a top-25 paid player in the NBA. Even Duncan was making $20+ million in 2011 when he was garbage and getting annihilated by the likes of Zach Randolph.

[T_L_P]

Nobody wants that salary.

[rmt]

The sad thing really is that Parker finished top-6 in MVP voting twice, top-12 two other times, and never once in his career will he be a top-25 paid player in the NBA. Even Duncan was making $20+ million in 2011 when he was garbage and getting annihilated by the likes of Zach Randolph.

Sorry but IMO, Parker never was a true MVP-level player - his top-6 MVP voting was just because Parker was the highest scorer when the Spurs had the best (or near best) record. And he's getting paid now, isn't he - 3 more years of this.

How nice of you to pick the one down year in Duncan's entire career. IMO, Duncan deserves every penny he's every earned (and more).

[Artillery]

The sad thing really is that Parker finished top-6 in MVP voting twice, top-12 two other times, and never once in his career will he be a top-25 paid player in the NBA. Even Duncan was making $20+ million in 2011 when he was garbage and getting annihilated by the likes of Zach Randolph.

:oldlol: MVP candidates don't get outplayed by Mario Chalmers in the NBA Finals.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Cory and Patty have been better than Tony from 2014 till now

[jayfan]

I'll take him for the Pistons. We don't have a point guard.



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[JohnFreeman]

Grizzlies will trade Conley for Parker

you saw it here first

[ninephive]

:oldlol: MVP candidates don't get outplayed by Mario Chalmers in the NBA Finals.
Hhahahahahahahaha! Outplayed by Chalmers!! PLEASE post the full series stats for both Finals! What a joke! Chalmers averaged like 4 PPG in 2014, whereas Parker led the Spurs in scoring!

[ninephive]

Grizzlies will trade Conley for Parker

you saw it here first
Lol, good thing you're not our GM! Parker DESTROYED Conley in the 2013 WCF.

[JohnFreeman]

Lol, good thing you're not our GM! Parker DESTROYED Conley in the 2013 WCF.
Not 2013 anymore

[ninephive]

Not 2013 anymore
Thanks for the tip.

[BasedTom]

Grizzlies will trade Conley for Parker

you saw it here first
robbery for the spurs

[Proctor]

Parker is needed for his comfort in the system and his steady hand. I'm not happy with his recent play either but I can live with it.

[toxicxr6]

Grizzlies will trade Conley for Parker

you saw it here first


As a spurs fan I would do that trade in a heartbeat.. Without a doubt. Conley might be close to a perfect fit on the Spurs actually. He would be an insane upgrade on Parker.
Imagine that defence

Conley
Green
Leonard
Aldridge
Duncan

I'm sorry but that would be a brutal defence

[Mike Armstrong]

It is time.

[FashionIssues]

i would like to see Pop's gameplan against the Warriors in a 7. How TP and Duncan are focal points in it is ridiculous.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz would take him or Conley.

[houston]

he still good it still early in the season

[dhsilv]

he still good it still early in the season

He was a true MESS last year. He's just a year older.

As for trading, the thing is the spurs gave him this deal as a thank you for taking less last go around. Part of how the spurs are going to be able to get players to play for them and take less going forward is about treating guys like Parker right. Paying them and keeping them.

Parker has thankfully shown some signs of having a developing jumper the last few years. Perhaps he can add just a hair more to that.

[houston]

He was a true MESS last year. He's just a year older.

As for trading, the thing is the spurs gave him this deal as a thank you for taking less last go around. Part of how the spurs are going to be able to get players to play for them and take less going forward is about treating guys like Parker right. Paying them and keeping them.

Parker has thankfully shown some signs of having a developing jumper the last few years. Perhaps he can add just a hair more to that.


Dude was battling injuries last year. At worst case he should be a bench player when they bench him for george hill years. It suppose to be about Leonard and Aldridge these days rightfully so.

Parker really the only player that kept the Spurs from completely falling off after Duncan decline.

[T_L_P]

Parker really the only player that kept the Spurs from completely falling off after Duncan decline.

Dude, Manu was one of the best players in the league from 09-11, then Duncan returned to his 16/10 with DPOY defense after his 'decline' which lasted one season.

What are you talking about?

[dhsilv]

Dude was battling injuries last year. At worst case he should be a bench player when they bench him for george hill years. It suppose to be about Leonard and Aldridge these days rightfully so.

Parker really the only player that kept the Spurs from completely falling off after Duncan decline.

Injuries at his age with his history aren't a one time thing. They aren't going away. He had some really good years. He'll be in the hall of fame without a question. But he is done being that and unless he can develop new skills and value adds, he'll be a below average back up point guard.

[houston]

Dude, Manu was one of the best players in the league from 09-11, then Duncan returned to his 16/10 with DPOY defense after his 'decline' which lasted one season.

What are you talking about?


Manu one of the best players when??:roll: Man when they built the team around Manu in 2011 they failed. From 2012-14 Tony was all-nba 2nd/all-star. The Spurs most constant player during that time period.

Duncan decline lasted one season:roll: Parker the reason why Duncan can still do what he do cause he ain't ask to do much these days.

[BasedTom]

Manu one of the best players when??:roll: Man when they built the team around Manu in 2011 they failed. From 2012-14 Tony was all-nba 2nd/all-star. The Spurs most constant player during that time period.

Duncan decline lasted one season:roll: Parker the reason why Duncan can still do what he do cause he ain't ask to do much these days.
Honest question bro

Are you on crack?

[houston]

Honest question bro

Are you on crack?


no

well who was the spurs best player?

[BasedTom]

no

well who was the spurs best player?
in the playoffs, regular season, both?

It most definitely wasn't tony parker in any case. The Spurs are at their best when they're moving the ball around and Tony Parker is watching on the bench while Pop whispers empty compliments in his ear and in the press conferences to help his ego. All the while he's being phased out and the Spurs are clearly better off for it.

[dhsilv]

Manu one of the best players when??:roll: Man when they built the team around Manu in 2011 they failed. From 2012-14 Tony was all-nba 2nd/all-star. The Spurs most constant player during that time period.

Duncan decline lasted one season:roll: Parker the reason why Duncan can still do what he do cause he ain't ask to do much these days.

05-10 Manu was about as good as you get per minute at least. He was basically 30 minutes of Kobe a night...

[dhsilv]

in the playoffs, regular season, both?

It most definitely wasn't tony parker in any case. The Spurs are at their best when they're moving the ball around and Tony Parker is watching on the bench while Pop whispers empty compliments in his ear and in the press conferences to help his ego. All the while he's being phased out and the Spurs are clearly better off for it.

You still realize defense is half of the game, right? What is wrong with people? The entire god dang spurs defense is about forcing players towards duncan and over playing the shoots at the 3.

How do you discuss a team and leave out HALF THE GAME?

[BasedTom]

You still realize defense is half of the game, right? What is wrong with people? The entire god dang spurs defense is about forcing players towards duncan and over playing the shoots at the 3.

How do you discuss a team and leave out HALF THE GAME?
Tony PARKER plays on the spurs, not Tony ALLEN m8

and in that same post you mention duncan's crucial role on defense. :lol

[dhsilv]

Tony PARKER plays on the spurs, not Tony ALLEN m8

and in that same post you mention duncan's crucial role on defense. :lol

I did...because parker was NOT the best player on the spurs.

[Horatio33]

Brilliant how Spurs fans underrate Parker. Spoilt idiots at best. Tony was a top five PG from 2011/12-2012/13. Only a couple of seasons, but he was great. It's beyond numbers with him. He could get to the paint and finish as good as any PG ever. Good midrange shooter that can open up his drives and doubles as a go to move. Knows the system, doesn't have great assist numbers but can get a great offense going, makes good passes.

Basketball is more that statistics. If you watched the games during that two season stretch you'd see what he meant to the Spurs. He's in his 15 season, he's not going to have that blazing speed, and injuries are inevitable.

He's never been my favourite Spur be he's been vital for over a decade.

[T_L_P]

Brilliant how Spurs fans underrate Parker. Spoilt idiots at best. Tony was a top five PG from 2011/12-2012/13. Only a couple of seasons, but he was great. It's beyond numbers with him. He could get to the paint and finish as good as any PG ever. Good midrange shooter that can open up his drives and doubles as a go to move. Knows the system, doesn't have great assist numbers but can get a great offense going, makes good passes.

Basketball is more that statistics. If you watched the games during that two season stretch you'd see what he meant to the Spurs. He's in his 15 season, he's not going to have that blazing speed, and injuries are inevitable.

He's never been my favourite Spur be he's been vital for over a decade.

100% agreed, of course he was.

What does that have to do with his poor conditioning, tendency to hold the ball, and all around shit play now though?

This isn't a rebuilding team. Duncan and Manu are retiring in the next two seasons and having them miss out on a ring because our PG stinks (and because Pop is too scared to bench him) would be a damn shame - why shouldn't Spurs fans express that?

Also, I don't really get your eye test comment. The eye test tells me we're better off with Manu or Patty as Point Guards because they are both better floor spacers and defenders (though Patty isn't good himself), and Manu is a better passer. They give the ball up to the better players which is what we need to be doing.

[GIF REACTION]

Tony was BOSS in 2013

[ArbitraryWater]

2013 Parker :bowdown:

[rmt]

Brilliant how Spurs fans underrate Parker. Spoilt idiots at best. Tony was a top five PG from 2011/12-2012/13. Only a couple of seasons, but he was great. It's beyond numbers with him. He could get to the paint and finish as good as any PG ever. Good midrange shooter that can open up his drives and doubles as a go to move. Knows the system, doesn't have great assist numbers but can get a great offense going, makes good passes.

Basketball is more that statistics. If you watched the games during that two season stretch you'd see what he meant to the Spurs. He's in his 15 season, he's not going to have that blazing speed, and injuries are inevitable.

He's never been my favourite Spur be he's been vital for over a decade.

It's an over-reaction to the other side - those who would crown Parker the Spurs best player from 2007 until the emergence of Kawhi. They would disregard the fact that defense is half of the game. The truth is that Duncan always anchors the defense and the big 3 have been trading/sharing the offensive end since 2005. And because of his defense, Duncan (save maybe for a poor 2011) has been the Spurs best player.

[Haymaker]

Parker has declined but it would be very stupid to disrupt their long standing chemistry when they're in for a last hurrah. No other PG would fill his shoes when it comes to running the Spurs system. Pop knows Parker's limitations and I'm pretty sure he'll know how to make the best use of what he has left to win games.

[Clifton]

You all are taking Tony Parker for granted.

It's easy to criticize his production. But there is a great difference between a pace-and-space offense based on a zippy pointguard who's a scoring threat inside the paint, and a pace-and-space offense that is made of guys who can chuck 3s but can't attack.

Those guards in Atlanta get a lot of flack as well. But even if they shoot 30%, they're still necessary to make the whole thing go. You need a quick guy to get the gears working in an offense like that. Spurs don't have another.

Also, Stephen Curry. Even if he's going 2 of 10 from 3... without him the Warriors are average. He makes the whole thing go, because he can dribble and move and attack and Klay and Livingston cannot.

Now, Spurs do have Duncan, Aldridge and Kawhi, which means they don't *need* to be a pace and space team. They could be a grind-out / kick out for open 3 team. But teams like that haven't been successful lately.

[Fallen Angel]

No team in the league wants to invest in a rickety old PG for the next three seasons who is making >$13M per year.

[rmt]

You all are taking Tony Parker for granted.

It's easy to criticize his production. But there is a great difference between a pace-and-space offense based on a zippy pointguard who's a scoring threat inside the paint, and a pace-and-space offense that is made of guys who can chuck 3s but can't attack.

Those guards in Atlanta get a lot of flack as well. But even if they shoot 30%, they're still necessary to make the whole thing go. You need a quick guy to get the gears working in an offense like that. Spurs don't have another.

Also, Stephen Curry. Even if he's going 2 of 10 from 3... without him the Warriors are average. He makes the whole thing go, because he can dribble and move and attack and Klay and Livingston cannot.

Now, Spurs do have Duncan, Aldridge and Kawhi, which means they don't *need* to be a pace and space team. They could be a grind-out / kick out for open 3 team. But teams like that haven't been successful lately.

The point is that Parker can hardly get to the rim anymore and when he gets there, his shooting percentage has declined. Last year, his % of FGA at 0-3 feet was 25.5% - almost 10% less than his career average 35.4%. And his FG% at 0-3 feet was 59.9% compared to career 65.1%.

[rmt]

Parker has declined but it would be very stupid to disrupt their long standing chemistry when they're in for a last hurrah. No other PG would fill his shoes when it comes to running the Spurs system. Pop knows Parker's limitations and I'm pretty sure he'll know how to make the best use of what he has left to win games.

I don't agree with this. Pop panders to Parker's ego. If he didn't, he would have played a HOT Mills 10 minutes more vs LAC and Spurs would probably have advanced. Look how atrocious Parker was:

2015 Playoffs
Parker 10.9 pts 3.6 asst 30 mins 36.3%FG 6.5 PER -0.3 WS -6.5 BPM -0.2 VORP
Mills 10.1 pts 1.1 asst 16 mins 50%FG 23.4 PER 0.6 WS 6.8 BPM 0.2 VORP

[ninephive]

I don't agree with this. Pop panders to Parker's ego. If he didn't, he would have played a HOT Mills 10 minutes more vs LAC and Spurs would probably have advanced. Look how atrocious Parker was:

2015 Playoffs
Parker 10.9 pts 3.6 asst 30 mins 36.3%FG 6.5 PER -0.3 WS -6.5 BPM -0.2 VORP
Mills 10.1 pts 1.1 asst 16 mins 50%FG 23.4 PER 0.6 WS 6.8 BPM 0.2 VORP
Do you guys seriously not understand that Parker was injured last year in the playoffs? You post stats like we should expect a healthy Parker to put up injured Parker stats. Seriously, do you not understand that basic concept?

[Kawhi]

Do you guys seriously not understand that Parker was injured last year in the playoffs? You post stats like we should expect a healthy Parker to put up injured Parker stats. Seriously, do you not understand that basic concept?
Stop being such a Porker homer, he is on the decline. He couldn't even get by Enes Kanter in the OKC game. :facepalm His game hasn't evolved to still be productive for Spurs and not be a liability when he's on the floor. Evolving would mean him being able to knock down +/- 3 3's a game at a 37% rate, or something.

The Spurs went on a 36-6 run as soon as Enrique left the floor against the Hornets. And by the way, Rique got TORCHED by Kemba Walker, and Pop was forced to put Green and Kawhi on him. Five more minutes of Mills or Joseph against the Clippers last year, and the Spurs would have advanced. He is done.

[rmt]

Do you guys seriously not understand that Parker was injured last year in the playoffs? You post stats like we should expect a healthy Parker to put up injured Parker stats. Seriously, do you not understand that basic concept?

Well, if he was so injured, why did Pop play Parker 30 minutes and Mills only 16 mins? What is that if not pandering? Somehow, Parker seems like he's injured come playoff time.

And before that post, I posted his regular season stats for 0-3 feet % of FGA and FG% - when he wasn't injured.

[ninephive]

Stop being such a Porker homer, he is on the decline. He couldn't even get by Enes Kanter in the OKC game. :facepalm His game hasn't evolved to still be productive for Spurs and not be a liability when he's on the floor. Evolving would mean him being able to knock down +/- 3 3's a game at a 37% rate, or something.

The Spurs went on a 36-6 run as soon as Enrique left the floor against the Hornets. And by the way, Rique got TORCHED by Kemba Walker, and Pop was forced to put Green and Kawhi on him. Five more minutes of Mills or Joseph against the Clippers last year, and the Spurs would have advanced. He is done.
Couch coaching must be easy. We would have probably advanced if you were our coach or GM because you wouldn't have paid Parker. Thanks for all your underpaid years, the FMVP, and carrying our team for 5+ years. Thanks for being top-6 in MVP voting twice. The Spurs never paid him a top-25 salary (even now)...you probably wouldn't have paid him a top-100 salary. I'm sure you would lure players like Aldridge and bring in players like West to play for nothing with your great loyalty. "Hey, you led our team in assists last year, but since you dropped to be our #2 player in scoring (instead of leading the team like you had the last 7/8 years or whatever in both scoring and assists, we're not going to pay you now." Only players that lead our team in scoring and distribution every single season get paid, otherwise, you're a 'liability.'"

Lol, what a joke.

[ninephive]

Well, if he was so injured, why did Pop play Parker 30 minutes and Mills only 16 mins?

And before that post, I posted his regular season stats for 0-3 feet % of FGA and FG%.
Because players play through injuries and Pop, being the terrible coach he was, thought that we needed someone to bring offense when Kawhi went home after Game 4.

[rmt]

Because players play through injuries and Pop, being the terrible coach he was, thought that we needed someone to bring offense when Kawhi went home after Game 4.

And Mills wasn't bringing offense? Seems like he scored the same as Parker in half the minutes. And I don't know many who would agree with you that Pop is a terrible coach.

[ninephive]

And Mills wasn't bringing offense? Seems like he scored the same as Parker in half the minutes. And I don't know many who would agree with you that Pop is a terrible coach.
The Pop being a terrible coach is obviously sarcastic, thus he knows what he's doing in the rotations. Obviously he knows the success Patty has against second units and utilizes him well (same with Manu). It's not that they couldn't be starters, just that their efficiency would obviously suffer tremendously (as anyone's would).

Pop knew in crunch time (Game 7s), Patty's not going to be as good. Which is why he was 2/6 for 6 points on 33% shooting (with 1 assist, lol). Parker on the other hand goes 10/21 for 20 points on 48% shooting (with 5 assists), including making the Spurs last basket. Pop knows Patty can't handle Game 7 pressure (and neither can Kawhi), which is why they folded. Parker and Duncan carried them like they have when it counts for years and made the game winnable.

But I don't blame Pop for running the last play for Kawhi. Is there less chance he's going to convert? Well, obviously yes, especially considering how unbelievably terrible he had been for the last 3 games of the series, but at some point we have to pass the baton.

And as far as Mills being super-productive? Lol. He outscored Parker in ONE GAME of that entire series. Please.

[Proctor]

Couch coaching must be easy. We would have probably advanced if you were our coach or GM because you wouldn't have paid Parker. Thanks for all your underpaid years, the FMVP, and carrying our team for 5+ years. Thanks for being top-6 in MVP voting twice. The Spurs never paid him a top-25 salary (even now)...you probably wouldn't have paid him a top-100 salary. I'm sure you would lure players like Aldridge and bring in players like West to play for nothing with your great loyalty. "Hey, you led our team in assists last year, but since you dropped to be our #2 player in scoring (instead of leading the team like you had the last 7/8 years or whatever in both scoring and assists, we're not going to pay you now." Only players that lead our team in scoring and distribution every single season get paid, otherwise, you're a 'liability.'"

Lol, what a joke.
This is ISH, where everyone knows better than Gregg Popovich. :lol

[Kawhi]

Couch coaching must be easy. We would have probably advanced if you were our coach or GM because you wouldn't have paid Parker. Thanks for all your underpaid years, the FMVP, and carrying our team for 5+ years. Thanks for being top-6 in MVP voting twice. The Spurs never paid him a top-25 salary (even now)...you probably wouldn't have paid him a top-100 salary. I'm sure you would lure players like Aldridge and bring in players like West to play for nothing with your great loyalty. "Hey, you led our team in assists last year, but since you dropped to be our #2 player in scoring (instead of leading the team like you had the last 7/8 years or whatever in both scoring and assists, we're not going to pay you now." Only players that lead our team in scoring and distribution every single season get paid, otherwise, you're a 'liability.'"

Lol, what a joke.
You're living in the past. Parker was good to great a few years ago, and his defense wasn't as much of an issue for he scored 20 a game on very good percentages. Nowadays, he isn't much better than Kobe or Rose.

The team is statistically worse when Parker is on the floor. God, I wonder why.

[Kawhi]

This is ISH, where everyone knows better than Gregg Popovich. :lol
Stats back my opinion. Games do also.

3rd quarter: 7:11 66-62 Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
4th quarter: 7:48 79-101 Tony Parker enters the game for Patty Mills

:eek: 26 point turnaround.

[ninephive]

Stats back my opinion. Games do also.

3rd quarter: 7:11 66-62 Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
4th quarter: 7:48 79-101 Tony Parker enters the game for Patty Mills

:eek: 26 point turnaround.
Hahahaha, the Spurs went on a run in a game against a team's second unit! Wow, alert the media! Parker has never been part of a run! Hahahaha, wow. And you guys are serious.

[ninephive]

You're living in the past. Parker was good to great a few years ago, and his defense wasn't as much of an issue for he scored 20 a game on very good percentages. Nowadays, he isn't much better than Kobe or Rose.

The team is statistically worse when Parker is on the floor. God, I wonder why.
Lol, so you're saying the difference between the Spurs bench and the other team's is greater than the difference between the Spurs starters and the other team's? Wow, are you serious?! You mean Pop playing Ginobili from the bench has an actual purpose?! Wow, you must be a long-time Spurs fan to make such astute observations!

Hahha and yah Parker was "good to great." Because that's how you describe a guy who led the MVP race at one point and dropped to 6th in voting because he got injured. Then finished 6th in the MVP race again. That's "good to great." Lol.

[Kawhi]

Lol, so you're saying the difference between the Spurs bench and the other team's is greater than the difference between the Spurs starters and the other team's? Wow, are you serious?! You mean Pop playing Ginobili from the bench has an actual purpose?! Wow, you must be a long-time Spurs fan to make such astute observations!

Hahha and yah Parker was "good to great." Because that's how you describe a guy who led the MVP race at one point and dropped to 6th in voting because he got injured. Then finished 6th in the MVP race again. That's "good to great." Lol.
When did Parker ever lead the MVP race?

[ninephive]

When did Parker ever lead the MVP race?
Near the end of 2012-13 when Parker was peaking right before he got injured. They don't have archives of every week, but here is one random archive where he was second:

http://2013--nba--news.blogspot.com/2013/02/kia-race-to-mvp-ladder.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiVj73fmYTJAhVY12MKHVG9ASQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhoops-nation.com%2Fcommunity%2Ftopic%2F65752-mvp-ladder-tp9-is-crazy%2F&usg=AFQjCNFMzApLBUiTPjMdDBvt2PGxtcgBOA

[rmt]

The Pop being a terrible coach is obviously sarcastic, thus he knows what he's doing in the rotations. Obviously he knows the success Patty has against second units and utilizes him well (same with Manu). It's not that they couldn't be starters, just that their efficiency would obviously suffer tremendously (as anyone's would).

Pop knew in crunch time (Game 7s), Patty's not going to be as good. Which is why he was 2/6 for 6 points on 33% shooting (with 1 assist, lol). Parker on the other hand goes 10/21 for 20 points on 48% shooting (with 5 assists), including making the Spurs last basket. Pop knows Patty can't handle Game 7 pressure (and neither can Kawhi), which is why they folded. Parker and Duncan carried them like they have when it counts for years and made the game winnable.

But I don't blame Pop for running the last play for Kawhi. Is there less chance he's going to convert? Well, obviously yes, especially considering how unbelievably terrible he had been for the last 3 games of the series, but at some point we have to pass the baton.

And as far as Mills being super-productive? Lol. He outscored Parker in ONE GAME of that entire series. Please.

Mills averaged about half the minutes Parker did - so outscoring him in one game is not so laughable.

Did you miss the stat where Parker had a 6.5 PER and Mills a 23.4 PER?

[houston]

It's an over-reaction to the other side - those who would crown Parker the Spurs best player from 2007 until the emergence of Kawhi. They would disregard the fact that defense is half of the game. The truth is that Duncan always anchors the defense and the big 3 have been trading/sharing the offensive end since 2005. And because of his defense, Duncan (save maybe for a poor 2011) has been the Spurs best player.


When the Spurs start being more guard dependent that when Duncan stop being their best player. Parker and Duncan dynamic is similar to the Magic and Kareem situation.

[Kawhi]

Near the end of 2012-13 when Parker was peaking right before he got injured. They don't have archives of every week, but here is one random archive where he was second:

http://2013--nba--news.blogspot.com/2013/02/kia-race-to-mvp-ladder.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiVj73fmYTJAhVY12MKHVG9ASQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhoops-nation.com%2Fcommunity%2Ftopic%2F65752-mvp-ladder-tp9-is-crazy%2F&usg=AFQjCNFMzApLBUiTPjMdDBvt2PGxtcgBOA
Indeed, he was 2nd. He never led anything. James was putting up historically great numbers during Parkers so called MVP run. It is absurd to think Parker was actually in contention. Outrageous I would say. Because in reality, it was James, and no one else was close. Not Parker, not Durant, not Anthony, not Paul.

Yes, Parker had a great season in 2013. Yes, without the hamstring issue the Spurs probably win 5 a year early. But don't come out here saying he was leading the MVP race, because that is a lie.

[rmt]

When the Spurs start being more guard dependent that when Duncan stop being their best player. Parker and Duncan dynamic is similar to the Magic and Kareem situation.

Again, some forget that defense is half of the game.

[houston]

Again, some forget that defense is half of the game.


Defense is the last thing you look for when judging overall player impact. Tony never been a great defender hell in his prime he was just ok.

I say about 2010 Duncan stop being the team best player and I'll give him '13 season since it was flashback season.

[dhsilv]

Parker has declined but it would be very stupid to disrupt their long standing chemistry when they're in for a last hurrah. No other PG would fill his shoes when it comes to running the Spurs system. Pop knows Parker's limitations and I'm pretty sure he'll know how to make the best use of what he has left to win games.

I saw way way too much of him against the clippers to believe pop won't make a mistake because he likes parker.

[dhsilv]

Defense is the last thing you look for when judging overall player impact. Tony never been a great defender hell in his prime he was just ok.

I say about 2010 Duncan stop being the team best player and I'll give him '13 season since it was flashback season.

You when you judge player impact, the FIRST thing you look at his defense! At least when we're talking title contenders. If we're talking 8th seeds maybe you're right.

That isn't to say Parker wasn't at times the spurs best player. Parker had some GREAT years and his defense while never great wasn't as bad as a few people here are implying.

[rmt]

Defense is the last thing you look for when judging overall player impact. Tony never been a great defender hell in his prime he was just ok.

I say about 2010 Duncan stop being the team best player and I'll give him '13 season since it was flashback season.

I don't agree that defense is the last thing to look at when judging overall player impact. Especially as a Spur fan, that's what the Spurs hung their hats on throughout the majority of their run.

[houston]

I don't agree that defense is the last thing to look at when judging overall player impact. Especially as a Spur fan, that's what the Spurs hung their hats on throughout the majority of their run.


Yea it is people confuse team defense with individual defense. It been plenty of great players that was terrible defenders.

[ninephive]

Indeed, he was 2nd. He never led anything. James was putting up historically great numbers during Parkers so called MVP run. It is absurd to think Parker was actually in contention. Outrageous I would say. Because in reality, it was James, and no one else was close. Not Parker, not Durant, not Anthony, not Paul.

Yes, Parker had a great season in 2013. Yes, without the hamstring issue the Spurs probably win 5 a year early. But don't come out here saying he was leading the MVP race, because that is a lie.
He led it for at least one week. They just don't have all the weekly archives. Do you have the archives for all the leaders for each week that season? You sound pretty confident and that would be a weird thing for you to just randomly have memorized.

And as far as it being "absurd," lots and lots of commentators were saying Parker was the MVP at that point. Barkley and Kenny Smith both were saying it along with Bill Simmons just to name a few.