Bold prediction : Cleveland Cavaliers will not make the 2016 NBA Finals

[JohnMax]

I just need the top teams in the East to be healthy when they face Cleveland.

[4 Inches]

Bet it !
Not against me doe im broke

[SouBeachTalents]

No, you really need treatment for your debilitating autism

[3ball]

Sorry man.. Their team is staaaacked.

Lebron's only averaging 22/7/6 right now and the team is cruising along.

The only time a so-called top 20 all-time player led a team to the Finals while averaging less than 25 PPG is when their team was super-duper stacked:

Kobe only had to average 20 ppg in 2000 for the Lakers to make Finals because Shaq was in peak, dominant form.. Lebron only had to average 23.6 ppg for the 2011 Heat to make Finals because Wade averaged 26 ppg and Bosh 20.. Bird occasionally didn't have to average 25 to get his team to Finals, because his teams were amazingly stacked.

[Lebron23]

Sorry man.. Their team is staaaacked.

Lebron's only averaging 22/7/6 right now and the team is cruising along.

The only time a so-called top 20 all-time player led a team to the Finals while averaging less than 25 PPG is when their team was super-duper stacked:

Kobe only had to average 20 ppg in 2000 for the Lakers to make Finals because Shaq was in peak, dominant form.. Lebron only had to average 23.6 ppg for the 2011 Heat to make Finals because Wade averaged 26 ppg and Bosh 20.. Bird occasionally didn't have to average 25 to get his team to Finals, because his teams were amazingly stacked.


Are you box score watching? LeBron is now averaging 25/7/6 after tonight's game.

The sad part is that you are older than dirt and still trolling in this forum.

[Magic 32]

The sad part is

You would know.

[Rocketswin2013]

Sorry man.. Their team is staaaacked.

Lebron's only averaging 22/7/6 right now and the team is cruising along.

The only time a so-called top 20 all-time player led a team to the Finals while averaging less than 25 PPG is when their team was super-duper stacked:

Kobe only had to average 20 ppg in 2000 for the Lakers to make Finals because Shaq was in peak, dominant form.. Lebron only had to average 23.6 ppg for the 2011 Heat to make Finals because Wade averaged 26 ppg and Bosh 20.. Bird occasionally didn't have to average 25 to get his team to Finals, because his teams were amazingly stacked.
I bet you haven't watched a single Cavs game this year. :oldlol:

Up to tonight he's averaged 24/7/7 with DPOY-caliber defense, while being on pace to have the best raw +/- of his career(which was the 3rd highest raw +/- ever), on low minutes and you think he's not dominating or something?

He's been better than Westbrook FOR SURE.

[3ball]

I bet you haven't watched a single Cavs game this year. :oldlol:

Up to tonight he's averaged 24/7/7 with DPOY-caliber defense, while being on pace to have the best raw +/- of his career(which was the 3rd highest raw +/- ever), on low minutes and you think he's not dominating or something?

He's been better than Westbrook FOR SURE.
Many players have great plus/minus... Look at Christian Laettner - he led the league in RAPM in 1997... Guys like Karl Malone and Nate McMillan had great plus/minus.. These stats mean nothing.

The more pertinent factor is that all of Lebron's teams underachieve because he achieves his stats at the expense of teammates.. It's a statistical fact that teammates have much lower ppg and apg alongside him, while their assisted rate increases - this proves he turns them from playmakers into play-finishers.. Less playmakers results in a more predictable team that performs worse at the highest level.

There's a simple reason why Lebron lowers the apg of teammates.. Starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted.. Lebron's abnormally low-assisted rate from the forward position is statistical fact and lower-assisted rate means lower assist opportunities for the team.

The best examples of Lebron's ball-dominance marginalizing teammates are the rare times he achieves GOAT-level stats (Orlando series and 2015 Finals), his teammates played horribly.. This makes sense - if Lebron lowers his teammates' ppg and apg while getting his normal averages, then his teammates' stats should crater when he gets significantly above his normal averages.. Lebron simply isn't capable of getting monster stats WHILE teammates play well.

In addition to marginalizing teammates, Lebron's stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, which is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.. MJ could've been a ball-dominant, low-assisted player that achieved stats at the expense of teammates too - but then he wouldn't be 6/6.

[DoctorP]

who do they lose to?

[CJ Mustard]

:oldlol: Who else is there in the East? Literally every other team is trash, or just regular season teams (ATL, Toronto). They aren't that good, but nobody in the East outside of them is good at all.

[Gus Hemmingway]

:oldlol: Who else is there in the East? Literally every other team is trash, or just regular season teams (ATL, Toronto). They aren't that good, but nobody in the East outside of them is good at all.


Then why are the top Eastern teams beating the piss out of Western teams this year??? :confusedshrug:

[ballinhun8]

Then why are the top Eastern teams beating the piss out of Western teams this year??? :confusedshrug:



You think the West cafes about RS games against the Eas? They are looking for wins and tiebreakers against their conference foes.


And what top east teams have won besides Chicago against OKC? Wiz against SA?

[FKAri]

You think the West cafes about RS games against the Eas? They are looking for wins and tiebreakers against their conference foes.


And what top east teams have won besides Chicago against OKC? Wiz against SA?
Raptors @ OKC

[Gus Hemmingway]

You think the West cafes about RS games against the Eas? They are looking for wins and tiebreakers against their conference foes.



hate to break the news, but, errm, A loss against a non-conference team STILL counts against you for playoff seed in your conference standings :hammerhead:

[Rocketswin2013]

Many players have great plus/minus... Look at Christian Laettner - he led the league in RAPM in 1997... Guys like Karl Malone and Nate McMillan had great plus/minus.. These stats mean nothing.
1997 NPI RAPM is hardly real RAPM. Not even close to enough possessions to use. 90s RAPM is essentially worthless. Raw +/- is supplemental. It does mean something. LeBron has been dominating, that's the undeniable point.

[Bankaii]

You think the West cafes about RS games against the Eas? They are looking for wins and tiebreakers against their conference foes.


And what top east teams have won besides Chicago against OKC? Wiz against SA?
You're an idiot. Are you really stupid enough to think West teams play less hard against East teams? A win is a win.

If the Spurs would've won one more RS game last year, regardless of conference, they most likely would've made the Finals.

[ballinhun8]

hate to break the news, but, errm, A loss against a non-conference team STILL counts against you for playoff seed in your conference standings :hammerhead:


Tiebreakers. Thats what i said right. You know what those are right?

You think OKC would rather lose against Chicago or SA?


Thanks.

[JT123]

Tiebreakers. Thats what i said right. You know what those are right?

You think OKC would rather lose against Chicago or SA?


Thanks.
Good god you are a moron. :oldlol:

[ballinhun8]

Good god you are a moron. :oldlol:


I'm sure there's a Kobe thread around that is missing your presence.

[PsychoBe]

Good god you are a moron. :oldlol:

no he's absolutely right. interconference records have way less impact then games against your own conference. a true measure of a team is how many wins they can grab against their own conference, not the other way around.

[HiphopRelated]

Tiebreakers. Thats what i said right. You know what those are right?

You think OKC would rather lose against Chicago or SA?


Thanks.
They would rather win both

In fact, you're supposed to win the "easy ones"

[Sportal]

Lmfao, this ballinhun8 dude.

Yeah...the Western conference would rather worry about tiebreakers than winning enough games to make the playoffs. Lololololol.

[Spaulding]

If Cavs are healthy...tell me what team can beat them in the east?

[raprap]

Beastern Conference is tough. If Bron carries these Cavs to the finals win or lose he moves into top 5 Goat. :cheers:

[riseagainst]

Beastern Conference is tough. If Bron carries these Cavs to the finals win or lose he becomes the GOAT. :cheers:

fixed

[nba_55]

Tiebreakers. Thats what i said right. You know what those are right?

You think OKC would rather lose against Chicago or SA?


Thanks.

Are you really serious bro? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: You can't be this stupid, I mean come on. Work on that brain!

[Gus Hemmingway]

no he's absolutely right. interconference records have way less impact then games against your own conference. a true measure of a team is how many wins they can grab against their own conference, not the other way around.


so your saying when a "weak" East team defeats those "tough" West team, it's less of a measure than them beating a "weaker" East team?


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[DoctorP]

The Cavs are going to rack up the wins early and then coast.

[BarberSchool]

Even bolder prediction:

Cleveland wont even make the conference finals. They lose in 7 games to a deep, healthy chicago team, in a high scoring series, with a different hero each game. Including a Cleveland win led by 34 from Mo Williams, after LeFraud Shames has debilitating cramps late, and a gritty Chicago win where Noah and Gasol each block 4 shots, and no one on Chicago's offense scores over 18.

Bulls beat Atlanta in conference finals, advance to play GSW after they defeat San Antonio. GSW champs in 6 over Chi.

[AintNoSunshine]

How the fk is that a Bold prediction at all? With all the injuries this is a below average support cast that Lebron has to drag yet again. It's not like he has a FMVP coming off the fkin bench for him:facepalm

[Nilocon165]

ok

[Vancouver-Grizz]

Tiebreakers. Thats what i said right. You know what those are right?

You think OKC would rather lose against Chicago or SA?


Thanks.


Ookkkaaaayyyyy there....... :confusedshrug: :banghead: :hammerhead: :facepalm :coleman: :biggums:

[LakersForlife]

miami will dismantle lebtich