Reggie Jackson and James Harden's averages since leaving OKC

[Fallen Angel]

Reggie Jackson:

DET (career): 18.6/8.5/4.7 on 44%/36%/80%
DET (2015-16): 23.2/5.7/4.7 on 46%/46%/79%

James Harden:

HOU (career): 26.4/6.3/5.1 on 44%/46%/86%
HOU (last 4 games): 38.5/5.5/5.5 on 46%/35%/85%

[ISHGoat]

KD when he leaves okc:
43/9/7 on 51/39/90

WB:
49/12/9 on 41/35/82

[Im so nba'd out]

where is jeff green's stats doe?



:coleman:

[kells333]

where is jeff green's stats doe?



:coleman:


And big perk

[dunksby]

Player with potential gets more touches and puts up bigger numbers, find of the century :applause:

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lol, no way in hell did Jimbo shoot 46% from 3

[Fallen Angel]

Lol, no way in hell did Jimbo shoot 46% from 3
you do know that we're in the 2015-16 season, right?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksre01.html

[DMAVS41]

Shocking...players go from 3rd options...to playing more minutes and taking more shots and they put up better numbers!

Who would have thought?

[GoatBoy]

What is the goal of this thread?

[Fallen Angel]

Shocking...players go from 3rd options...to playing more minutes and taking more shots and they put up better numbers!

Who would have thought?
It's just everyday that two sixth-man guards on a team that cries about their bench being too weak both turn into All-Stars for their respective conference just a year later.

You know, because that happens all the time. Right?

[DMAVS41]

It's just everyday that two sixth-man guards on a team that cries about their bench being too weak both turn into All-Stars for their respective conference just a year later.

You know, because that happens all the time. Right?

I don't understand the relevance of this post to your OP. At all...

[dunksby]

I don't understand the relevance of this post to your OP. At all...
He is mad at OKC for drafting all the talents and developing them to the benefit of the league.

[DMAVS41]

He is mad at OKC for drafting all the talents and developing them to the benefit of the league.

Sure, but you can't have 5 guys making the kind of money they all would.

Harden didn't want to be on the Thunder and I don't see how he, WB, and durant can co exist given their games.

I actually liked Reggie Jackson on the Thunder a lot, but I think I'd rather have Kanter/Augustin combo than RJ and some other big.

The problem with this team, imo, is that they continue to not have a legit sg that serves their needs...and Waiters. I don't like Waiters on this team...especially in the playoffs.

[dunksby]

Sure, but you can't have 5 guys making the kind of money they all would.

Harden didn't want to be on the Thunder and I don't see how he, WB, and durant can co exist given their games.

I actually liked Reggie Jackson on the Thunder a lot, but I think I'd rather have Kanter/Augustin combo than RJ and some other big.

The problem with this team, imo, is that they continue to not have a legit sg that serves their needs...and Waiters. I don't like Waiters on this team...especially in the playoffs.
I always supported the Harden trade, he wasn't staying with OKC and no matter what ISHiots say, Harden/Brook/KD wouldn't be able to coexist anymore. Reggie's issue was that his style is similar to Brook so he couldn't complement him coming off the bench.
With Kanter and Adams the Thunder at least have some considerable size and rebounding power that they lacked dearly for ages. This season from what I have noticed Adams have worked on his post game and got some moves to be able to get to the basket other than direct under the rim. I think Adams and Kanter have had positive influence on each other, Adams could use some tips on his offensive game from Kanter and Enes could get a few lessons on positioning and staying on his man on the other end.

[ArbitraryWater]

I used to think OKC would be fools if they kept Ibaka over Harden.. and they were, but I'm still glad it happened. While no doubt Harden would visibly evolve and go all-star level, not sure if he'd be as recognized and good as he is now. Never know that for sure.

[DMAVS41]

I used to think OKC would be fools if they kept Ibaka over Harden.. and they were, but I'm still glad it happened. While no doubt Harden would visibly evolve and go all-star level, not sure if he'd be as recognized and good as he is now. Never know that for sure.

Fools? Just no...the 13 Thunder were clearly better than the 12 Thunder when healthy.

The problem with having WB and Harden and Durant is that is no way can they play at optimal levels. Even worse, if the ball isn't in WB's hands...he's essentially useless...and with Harden and Durant...that would happen too often.

The problem with this team post 2013 (when they were probably the best team if healthy) is that they continue to suck at the sg position. They either have guys that can't shoot and can defend...or can't defend and can shoot.

Throwing Waiters into the mix just adds to these problems in my opinion.

They should have traded for Afflalo back in 14 when they had the chance...or at least drafted a guy like Rodney Hood like they should have. Or making a better trade for a guy like Shumpert...who makes a ton more sense on this Thunder team than Waiters.

Presti has done some really good things and some really bad things...but more bad things with this team since 13. If Donovan doesn't work out (and I'm worried about him) then this could turn into a nightmare with Durant leaving.

[FKAri]

Thunder were absurdly stacked in 2012/2013. They were green tho and their coaching was WOAT level.


Fools? Just no...the 13 Thunder were clearly better than the 12 Thunder when healthy.

The problem with having WB and Harden and Durant is that is no way can they play at optimal levels. Even worse, if the ball isn't in WB's hands...he's essentially useless...and with Harden and Durant...that would happen too often.

The problem with this team post 2013 (when they were probably the best team if healthy) is that they continue to suck at the sg position. They either have guys that can't shoot and can defend...or can't defend and can shoot.

Throwing Waiters into the mix just adds to these problems in my opinion.

They should have traded for Afflalo back in 14 when they had the chance...or at least drafted a guy like Rodney Hood like they should have.

Presti has done some really good things and some really bad things...but more bad things with this team since 13. If Donovan doesn't work out (and I'm worried about him) then this could turn into a nightmare with Durant leaving.

The dream team couldn't play at an optimum level either. Eventually talent overcomes efficiency. Those Thunder teams fit well enough to win. But you need to have leadership and run a system that utilizes that talent.

[DMAVS41]

Thunder were absurdly stacked in 2012/2013. They were green tho and their coaching was WOAT level.



The dream team couldn't play at an optimum level either. Eventually talent overcomes efficiency. Those Thunder teams fit well enough to win. But you need to have leadership and run a system that utilizes that talent.

The problem is that the dream team had versatile players...those three really aren't next to each other.

Which one of them is content with being more the defensive stopper year in year out?

Which one of them is content with taking only around 12 shots a game on average?

Which one is content with playing a little less minutes and spotting up more?

The truth is that Harden knew he was going to be that 3rd guy for a long time and he didn't want to...and we also already saw chemistry issues concerning Russ and Harden in 11 and 12.

So yea...if it was Durant, Harden, and Jerry West it makes a lot more sense because West could impact the game so much without the ball and would be an elite defender.

But you take WB off the ball a lot and it just takes a lot away from his game...and he's nowhere near the kind of defender (neither is Harden) for all 3 of them to be on the court at the same time a lot and have an elite defense.

[WorldWarriors]

Harden is too good to be the 3rd guy even it its to Durant and Westbrook.

[TrueBlue89]

That trio swept the defending Champion Mavs, obliterated the Lakers, backdoor swept that insane Spurs team that were on a 20 game streak and were a bad call away from going 2 up against Miami. That's unheard of for a core that was only 22/23. Their window is closed now with the emergence of the Warriors.

[buddha]

Jeremy Lamb is even having a decent year.

HC - Scott Brooks
AC - Derek Fisher

Reggie Jackson
James Harden
Thabo Sefolosha / Jeremy Lamb
Jeff Green
Kendrick Perkins

could probably get a top seed in the east.

[DMAVS41]

That trio swept the defending Champion Mavs, obliterated the Lakers, backdoor swept that insane Spurs team that were on a 20 game streak and were a bad call away from going 2 up against Miami. That's unheard of for a core that was only 22/23. Their window is closed now with the emergence of the Warriors.

Yep...and they were even better in 13.

[TrueBlue89]

Yep...and they were even better in 13.
Regular season

[T_L_P]

I don't understand the relevance of this post to your OP. At all...

I think he's saying that 'it's two superstars, Ibaka and a bunch of mediocre players' isn't a valid excuse for OKC.