Jahlil Okafor...Worst Rebounder Ever?

[FireDavidKahn]

Keep in mind he is 6'11" and 275 pounds.


Okafor currently has a Total Rebounding Rate of 9.1%... Average is 10% for any player on the floor

:roll:

[Lebron23]

Brook Lopez

[Akrazotile]

It's an interesting stat, but remember it's still way too early to make any proclamations based solely on this year's statistics. Teams have played about a week's worth of games. Much too small of a sample size to make reliable projections.

[GoatBoy]

Guys that are this big and can't rebound have low motors, which could hinder his development in the future.

Sixers have had Bynum, Embiid, and now this :facepalm

Franchise being run into the ground by these lazy dudes

[DMAVS41]

Small sample, but jesus...if that continues it is beyond bad.

[fpliii]

Towns >>>>

[hawksdogsbraves]

Wow what a bum, I'll take D'Angelo Russell any day he's such a stud :cheers:

[Sarcastic]

Andrea Barfs.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Hes averaging 20 ppg on .527 though :applause:

[Uncle Drew]

These Timberwolve fans getting cocky already. Annoying af.

[outbreak]

The guys a rookie putting up 20ppg. Give him time to learn positioning first.

[FireDavidKahn]

These Timberwolve fans getting cocky already. Annoying af.
This isn't about the Wolves:facepalm

[dunksby]

Let's pick on the rookie who's playing well and label him worst of all time, so edgy.

[Nash]

f*ck cares he has some of the best footwork I've ever seen. Rebounds are for scrubs who do nothing on offense.

[Uncle Drew]

This isn't about the Wolves:facepalm
Of course, would you have made the same thread if it was about Towns, or if Towns was averaging something like 5 pts / 2 rebs? Me thinks not.

[gyu]

Brook Lopez
Brook averaged more than 5.5 rpg.

[90sgoat]

If you're a big man and can't average 10 rebounds then it's lazyness and nothing else. Soft ass niggues entering the league these days.

[FireDavidKahn]

f*ck cares he has some of the best footwork I've ever seen. Rebounds are for scrubs who do nothing on offense.
The only thing he can do is score., literally the only thing. He can't rebound, defend, or anything else.

He is a modern day Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

[FireDavidKahn]

Of course, would you have made the same thread if it was about Towns, or if Towns was averaging something like 5 pts / 2 rebs? Me thinks not.
Hypothhetical =/= reality

[PP34Deuce]

The only thing he can do is score., literally the only thing. He can't rebound, defend, or anything else.

He is a modern day Shareef Abdur-Rahim.


he really is. very good post player that has a jumper. All he wants to do is score. Nerlens and him are a great combo because all Nerlens wants to do is rebound and block shots.

[Eye Test]

Championship teams have no place for this kind of defensive liabilities today.

Lakers. Pick. Wins.

:rockon:

[SugarHill]

bargs definitely

[IncarceratedBob]

People are now saying that the ability to score is a bad thing? Did we forget that the entire purpose of the game of basketball is to SCORE THE BALL? Okafor is elite at that

[tmacattack33]

I'm pretty sure this can be improved with some work...so it wouldn't be right to judge a 19 year old on it

[oarabbus]

Towns and Porzingis shit all over this guy... his scoring is also inflated by being on garbage Philly, just like many Philly players (Iguodala, Hawes, Thaddeus Young, etc)

[FKAri]

Cant rebound at 19? BUST

[atljonesbro]

People who only play defense are praised. People who only play offense are hated. People think that it makes them sound smarter for some reason when they give the perception they have a greater appreciation of the less flashy part of the game in defense.

[Spurs m8]

Okafor > D'Bust

[Captvic]

People who only play defense are praised. People who only play offense are hated. People think that it makes them sound smarter for some reason when they give the perception they have a greater appreciation of the less flashy part of the game in defense.

Agreed, who cares if he can't play defense. Thats what Noel is there for. Okafor is a scoring machine.

[outbreak]

Championship teams have no place for this kind of defensive liabilities today.

Lakers. Pick. Wins.

:rockon:
:biggums:

Because Randle, Clarkson and 'Angel are elite defenders? :roll:

I think Okafor will improve on defence, he looked ok against Orlando (his post defence wasn't needed at all though) as a shot blocker. With Noel next to him to cover any tough post match ups I think he'll do alright. He doesn't need to be a great defender, just needs to be decent and you can cover the flaws with your other big.

[FireDavidKahn]

People are now saying that the ability to score is a bad thing? Did we forget that the entire purpose of the game of basketball is to SCORE THE BALL? Okafor is elite at that
So was Kevin Love. Except Love was elite as a rebounder as well.

[FireDavidKahn]

Cant rebound at 19? BUST
You missing the point? BUST

[buddha]

here he is getting rejected by Jason Smith

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/11/7/9689996/jahlil-okafor-got-blocked-nba-jason-smith-magic-sixers-76ers

Okafor will be Al Jefferson at best.

[FireDavidKahn]

Agreed, who cares if he can't play defense. Thats what Noel is there for. Okafor is a scoring machine.
Relative to his team, Okafor has the 7th worst ORTG (out of 12) and 9th worst DTRG (out of 12):lol

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2016/on-off/

The 76'ers ORTG IMPROVES BY 15.6 POINTS WHEN HE IS ON THE BENCH!:eek: AND THE OPPONENTS ORTG GETS 15 POINTS WORSE WHEN HE IS ON THE BENCH

[outbreak]

here he is getting rejected by Jason Smith

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/11/7/9689996/jahlil-okafor-got-blocked-nba-jason-smith-magic-sixers-76ers

Okafor will be Al Jefferson at best.

Al Jefferson > Smush Parker....

[ProfessorMurder]

here he is getting rejected by Jason Smith

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/11/7/9689996/jahlil-okafor-got-blocked-nba-jason-smith-magic-sixers-76ers

Okafor will be Al Jefferson at best.
Big Al f*cking rebounds.

[atljonesbro]

Relative to his team, Okafor has the 7th worst ORTG (out of 12) and 9th worst DTRG (out of 12):lol

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2016/on-off/

The 76'ers ORTG IMPROVES BY 15.6 POINTS WHEN HE IS ON THE BENCH!:eek: AND THE OPPONENTS ORTG GETS 15 POINTS WORSE WHEN HE IS ON THE BENCH
Insecure Af towns Stan. Prop fishing thread at its finest.

[Cocaine80s]

Twolves fans already regretting their pick


#DamageControl

[outbreak]

Twolves fans already regretting their pick


#DamageControl

To be fair it's one twolves fan who is a known ****tard.

[FireDavidKahn]

Insecure Af towns Stan. Prop fishing thread at its finest.
Not really, happy as hell we got Towns. Just fun pointing out the FACTS that Okafor is so fa very detrimental to the 76'ers despite his "elite" scoring skills.

[FireDavidKahn]

To be fair it's one twolves fan who is a known ****tard.
I post facts. Not my problem if people cannot deal with them.

[Pointguard]

People who only play defense are praised. People who only play offense are hated. People think that it makes them sound smarter for some reason when they give the perception they have a greater appreciation of the less flashy part of the game in defense.
Dirk does pretty well, here. And plays the position that was noted for being grimy and defensive minded.

[Ariza4three]

No. Bargnani

[Eye Test]

Looks like Okafor has already peaked :roll:

Maybe he was "bust-ready" :lol

There is no "D" in Jahlil Okafor (and no W...but has two L's) :oldlol:

[smoovegittar]

At the end of the day, all that matters are wins. Feel for this kid stuck with this franchise.

[FireDavidKahn]

At the end of the day, all that matters are wins. Feel for this kid stuck with this franchise.
Why feel for him? The best players are supposed to make bad teams good.

[outbreak]

Looks like Okafor has already peaked :roll:

Maybe he was "bust-ready" :lol

There is no "D" in Jahlil Okafor (and no W...but has two L's) :oldlol:

'angel russell has 2 l's no d's no o's and no w's

[Eye Test]

'angel russell has 2 l's no d's no o's and no w's

:no: 3x "L"s :(

[SwishSquared]

Okafor had an underwhelming defensive rebound % in college. He was a really good offensive rebounder however. We knew he would struggle to corral defensive boards. Pretending that this wouldn't be a problem would be short-sighted. He has shown a decent ability to pass out of the post, but not nearly as well as he did in college.

He's been putrid so far and has been put forth a really lazy effort on D. Part of the problem has been he's playing too many mins due to the backup C being the same player as the starting PF. Okafor still isn't in NBA-shape. The coach doesn't trust Holmes or Wood enough to give them more burn at extended mins as a small ball C.

Fwiw, Philly's 2nd most used 2-man pairing is the Noel & Okafor combo. Noel's DREB% is currently 23.2% vs. Okafor's 12.4%. Noel's OREB% is 10.9% vs. Okafor's 5.9%. NN is eating up the glass, relatively speaking. Also, if you watch the game, you see Okafor just boxes out and doesn't attempt to grab the board consistently.

This is something that should be concerning if by the middle of next year it doesn't improve. I'm also of the belief that Okafor's flaws will lead him to being the centerpiece of a trade next summer. He'll be a pump 'n' dump guy imo.

[smoovegittar]

Why feel for him? The best players are supposed to make bad teams good.

It's that franchise that really sucks. So many questionable decisions. As a NY fan I oughta know -

[Fire Colangelo]

Not really, happy as hell we got Towns. Just fun pointing out the FACTS that Okafor is so fa very detrimental to the 76'ers despite his "elite" scoring skills.

According to those "stats" you've just posted, Wiggins was also very detrimental to the Wolves last year.

[FireDavidKahn]

According to those "stats" you've just posted, Wiggins was also very detrimental to the Wolves last year.


76'ers ORTG with Okafor on the court: 93.4
76'ers ORTG with Okafor off the court: 109

76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor on the court: 115.2
76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor off the court: 100

Net: -30.8

Wolves ORTG with Towns on the court: 94.4
Wolves ORTG with Towns off the court: 105.6

Wolves opponent ORTG with Towns on the court: 90.9
Wolves opponent ORTG with Towns off the court: 105.7

Net: +3.5


-30.8:roll:


And, if you did your homework at all, you would have noticed that Wiggins had a net rating of -1.8 last year..

[Legends66NBA7]

Okafor isn't the worst rebounder ever. He isn't a determinant to a team that is probably going to be shit at the current moment forseabble future with or without him.


He'll be better from here on out and it's up to the Sixers to actually build their team and get out of a losing culture.

[SwishSquared]

76'ers ORTG with Okafor on the court: 93.4
76'ers ORTG with Okafor off the court: 109

76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor on the court: 115.2
76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor off the court: 100

Net: -30.8

Wolves ORTG with Towns on the court: 94.4
Wolves ORTG with Towns off the court: 105.6

Wolves opponent ORTG with Towns on the court: 90.9
Wolves opponent ORTG with Towns off the court: 105.7

Net: +3.5


-30.8:roll:


And, if you did your homework at all, you would have noticed that Wiggins had a net rating of -1.8 last year..Why did you bring Towns into this?

Also, when Okafor is off the floor, Philly plays 4 wings + Noel or Holmes- the floor is a lot less cluttered. Stats show that Noel and Okafor are getting into each other's way on offense- their stats go up when only one is on the floor, especially in Noel's case.

Also, Okafor has basically the same VORP (0.1 better in favor of Jah) than Wiggins in his rookie season. Also, I looked at http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203952/stats/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PaceAdjust=Y

and it showed Wiggins had -6.7 +/- last year and was even worse post ASB. I think I may be using this tool incorrectly b/c I remember Wiggins being a net negative player but not that bad. Same stat has Okafor as a -13.7, which is clearly terrible. I'd venture to guess it's b/c his D (has 100 ORTG, 112 DRTG).

You can make things look better/worse by picking a stat and not providing context. I'm not defending Okafor, but you're not doing anything different than when people on here were calling Russell a bust.

He's clearly flawed and we expected this. A slow, plodding big man who lacks defensive instincts and effort that also was a weak rebounder in college. Who is surprised?

[FireDavidKahn]

Why did you bring Towns into this?

Also, when Okafor is off the floor, Philly plays 4 wings + Noel or Holmes- the floor is a lot less cluttered. Stats show that Noel and Okafor are getting into each other's way on offense- their stats go up when only one is on the floor, especially in Noel's case.

Also, Okafor has basically the same VORP (0.1 better in favor of Jah) than Wiggins in his rookie season. Also, I looked at http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203952/stats/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PaceAdjust=Y

and it showed Wiggins had -6.7 +/- last year and was even worse post ASB. I think I may be using this tool incorrectly b/c I remember Wiggins being a net negative player but not that bad. Same stat has Okafor as a -13.7, which is clearly terrible. I'd venture to guess it's b/c his D (has 100 ORTG, 112 DRTG).

You can make things look better/worse by picking a stat and not providing context. I'm not defending Okafor, but you're not doing anything different than when people on here were calling Russell a bust.

He's clearly flawed and we expected this. A slow, plodding big man who lacks defensive instincts and effort that also was a weak rebounder in college. Who is surprised?
I didn't bring Towns into this, other people did.

[SwishSquared]

I didn't bring Towns into this, other people did.
According to those "stats" you've just posted, Wiggins was also very detrimental to the Wolves last year.You followed this post with Towns on/off compared to Okafor. You didn't want to address the rest of my post, either? Or did you agree with it? No trolling, jw.

[HeyIt'sMe]

f*ck cares he has some of the best footwork I've ever seen. Rebounds are for scrubs who do nothing on offense.

Typical ISH fanboy blinded by offense. "Yeah, he sucks at everything aspect of basketball, but derrrrrp, he has a good offensive game so that's all that matters." Same reason a bunch of the idiots on this board thought Al Jefferson was a better player than Dwight early in their careers.

[VeeCee15]

Jahlil Okafor is good but he's basically the Carmelo Anthony of Big men.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

:confusedshrug:

[Ai2death]

He's got 11 rebounds and 11 points right now :confusedshrug:

[FreezingTsmoove]

OP melting

[STATUTORY]

He's got 11 rebounds and 11 points right now :confusedshrug:


getting rekt and stuffed by the corpse of Pau gasol, dude still cannot do anything against height. His early season production is a mirage

[FreezingTsmoove]

getting rekt and stuffed by the corpse of Pau gasol, dude still cannot do anything against height. His early season production is a mirage

Hes carrying the 76ers though

Without him this games score would look really bad

Hes the only one scoring right now

[SwishSquared]

getting rekt and stuffed by the corpse of Pau gasol, dude still cannot do anything against height. His early season production is a mirageTheir other 2 bigs are rookies also tonight, including one that went undrafted. Their small ball PF is a second year player that was drafted in the 2nd round in 2014. Their starting PG is an undrafted rookie. The backup was a second round pick a couple years back.

Their most experienced rotation player tonight is a 3rd year undrafted wing.

He's got little help out there. Gasol was also 2-7 in the 1st half and Mirotic was like 1-3.

He's gonna keep getting his shot blocked if he doesn't use his length to keep it up high. Hasn't figured that out yet, surprisingly.

[Styles p]

oak with 15 boards so far.

[Ai2death]

Still hs to go against Gasol, Mirotic and Noah + Gibson, that's a lot of size and nba experience... not bad for 6/7 games

[Ai2death]

getting rekt and stuffed by the corpse of Pau gasol, dude still cannot do anything against height. His early season production is a mirage

The same corpse that shat down you boy Lebrons mouth first game of the season?

[FreezingTsmoove]

Still hs to go against Gasol, Mirotic and Noah + Gibson, that's a lot of size and nba experience... not bad for 6/7 games

He made Gibson his son tonight

[Sportal]

Jahlil making it look as though he reads the forums..

[RRR3]

He was a good rebounder in college, it's unlikely he doesn't at least become a solid rebounder in the NBA. Rebounding usually translates, doesn't it?

Furthermore, OP, the worst rebounder ever is on your team (Damjan Rudez)

[Fire Colangelo]

76'ers ORTG with Okafor on the court: 93.4
76'ers ORTG with Okafor off the court: 109

76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor on the court: 115.2
76'ers opponent ORTG with Okafor off the court: 100

Net: -30.8

Wolves ORTG with Towns on the court: 94.4
Wolves ORTG with Towns off the court: 105.6

Wolves opponent ORTG with Towns on the court: 90.9
Wolves opponent ORTG with Towns off the court: 105.7

Net: +3.5


-30.8:roll:


And, if you did your homework at all, you would have noticed that Wiggins had a net rating of -1.8 last year..

I didn't mention Towns at all, and you just compared 5 games to a full season.

My point was, even though Wiggins had a net negative, there's no way the wolves were better with him on the bench. Same concept with Okafor here.

I remember at one point these stats showed that the Heat were better with Lebron on the bench than on the floor.

What do these stats mean without context....? Nothing really.

[bdreason]

First game without Noel and he grabs 15 boards. Reminds me a bit of how Griffin was being called out for not getting boards last season playing next to Jordan. Sometimes the guy next to you is just a lot better at soaking up defensive boards.

[FreezingTsmoove]

First game without Noel and he grabs 15 boards. Reminds me a bit of how Griffin was being called out for not getting boards last season playing next to Jordan. Sometimes the guy next to you is just a lot better at soaking up defensive boards.

Nerls averages around 10 a game

Jahlil 5 a game

Jah got 15 tonight :applause:

[FireDavidKahn]

I didn't mention Towns at all, and you just compared 5 games to a full season.

My point was, even though Wiggins had a net negative, there's no way the wolves were better with him on the bench. Same concept with Okafor here.

I remember at one point these stats showed that the Heat were better with Lebron on the bench than on the floor.

What do these stats mean without context....? Nothing really.
You didn't but someone earlier started the shit that I was insecure with our pick and someone else brought up Towns:oldlol:


Regardless, it's only fitting that Okafor gets 15 rebounds today. Threads like this are always cursed for a day.

My point still stands, Okafor is a horrific rebounder.

[Cocaine80s]

21/15 vs 17/12 today :roll:

[FireDavidKahn]

21/15 vs 17/12 today :roll:
ANd yet Towns had a far better impact.:oldlol:

Towns +11 (highest on team)
Okafor -22 (3rd worst on team)

Towns 5-7
Okafor 9-25

:oldlol:

[SwishSquared]

You didn't but someone earlier started the shit that I was insecure with our pick and someone else brought up Towns:oldlol:


Regardless, it's only fitting that Okafor gets 15 rebounds today. Threads like this are always cursed for a day.

My point still stands, Okafor is a horrific rebounder.He's a bad rebounder but Noel is taking all the boards when they play together. Noel sat out tonight. It's not that surprising that when a team's leading rebounder sits, their next best rebounder corrals more.

He's a bad rebounder in terms of #s. When you watch him play, he boxes out so others grab the ball. Or he doesn't box out. Being lazy is a pretty big flaw in your C when you want to end a possession.

Also you have got to consider context. Minnesota is healthy. Philly was without its best player tonight (Noel) and their best offensive player from last season due to injury. Robert Covington is a legit starter.

I'm a big #s guy but you have to add context. Also, not sure if #s already updated, but Okafor according to the NBA's site is only a -20 in terms of net rating. It also considers Noel a -13, which isn't representative of his impact.

Congrats on Towns. Dude looks like a stud and positive-impact player already.

Edit: Their 2nd best player tonight was a -19. Best was a +4. Him being -22 is irrelevant.

[plowking]

Some of us enjoy watching talented young players play.

Others are just wankers who need to try and shit on anything.

Him and Towns are neck and neck as players btw.

[FireDavidKahn]

Some of us enjoy watching talented young players play.

Others are just wankers who need to try and shit on anything.

Him and Towns are neck and neck as players btw.
Not even being a homer here, but you are literally out of you mind with that statement.

I know everyone wants to anti-troll me right now, but seriously? That is more ludicrous than anything I have ever said.:facepalm

[FreezingTsmoove]

Not even being a homer here, but you are literally out of you mind with that statement.

I know everyone wants to anti-troll me right now, but seriously? That is more ludicrous than anything I have ever said.:facepalm

Last 5 Games

Jahlil 21/7 on .490 with an overall PER of 17

Karl 16/10 on .485 with an overall PER of 20.5

Not really an out of your mind statement

[FireDavidKahn]

Last 5 Games

Jahlil 21/7 on .490 with an overall PER of 17

Karl 16/10 on .485 with an overall PER of 20.5

Not really an out of your mind statement
Now factor in defense:sleeping

[plowking]

Now factor in defense:sleeping

So one is better on offense and the other on defense?

Sounds kinda close.

[oarabbus]

So one is better on offense and the other on defense?

Sounds kinda close.


I dunno man. Okafor plays on the Sixers, and the inflation of Sixer stats is well known.

Plus, Towns is better on defense by more than Okafor is better on offense.

It's not like Towns is on an entirely different level but he's clearly the better player in my eyes.

[Cocaine80s]

I dunno man. Okafor plays on the Sixers, and the inflation of Sixer stats is well known.

Plus, Towns is better on defense by more than Okafor is better on offense.

It's not like Towns is on an entirely different level but he's clearly the better player in my eyes.
Okafor is not that bad on defense


Also Okafor is much better on offense than Towns. Dont forget Towns has one of the best passers on his team feeding him. Okafor has a ****ing white boy rookie from who knows where

[coin24]

They're both beasts:applause: most teams would kill to have either..

That's why they were consensus 1 and 2 picks. Fu*king lakers:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Andrew Wiggins]

lol, what a pathetic, agenda driven troll

just enjoy watching two talented young big men develop into stars

[T_L_P]

To be fair, he's been doing a lot of solid boxing out so far, which is far more important than raw TRB numbers.

[plowking]

Can't believe we're honestly having this discussion about a first year big man averaging 20/7, 2.4 of those 7 being offensive boards...

Guy is a stud. Even now as a "poor" defender he is averaging 1.3bpg.

[FireDavidKahn]

Can't believe we're honestly having this discussion about a first year big man averaging 20/7, 2.4 of those 7 being offensive boards...

Guy is a stud. Even now as a "poor" defender he is averaging 1.3bpg.
This guy honestly believes that blocks = defense. Might as well say that a good ft% means you're a good offensive player

[Legends66NBA7]

Towns doesn't have far greater impact. Both him and Okafor have been the Top rookies so far, with Porzingis not far behind.

The main difference right now is that Towns is playing on the better team with veteran players guiding him and other young players, while Okafor is playing on the worst team in the NBA with the oldest player that has started on the team being 25 years old.

Doesn't mean Towns hasn't been impactful, but Okafor can't match have the positive impact with literally no help outside of Noel and TJ (who I don't even know will have a future in the league).

[Genaro]

Ever? Have you not heard of this guy called Bargnani?

[IGOTGAME]

So one is better on offense and the other on defense?

Sounds kinda close.


It's not really close. Towns is also better on offense too. It's a big gap between the two.

[plowking]

It's not really close. Towns is also better on offense too. It's a big gap between the two.

It is all well and good you say that as a Minny fan, but I've watched both, and I actually like Towns far more, and completely disagree, as do the majority on here.

He hasn't been far off, but I think they're close as players given their situations at the moment.

[IGOTGAME]

It is all well and good you say that as a Minny fan, but I've watched both, and I actually like Towns far more, and completely disagree, as do the majority on here.

He hasn't been far off, but I think they're close as players given their situations at the moment.

I'm not a Minnesota fan, I'm a fan of basketball so I'm watching Minnesota. I like Okafor but Towns can do EVERYTHING on offense you could think of for a big and is playing top tier defense, not just in comparison to rookies but in comparison to The NBA in general. Towns is already playing like an all star caliber big.

[RRR3]

Ever? Have you not heard of this guy called Bargnani?
Damjan Rudez. Look him up. Makes Bargs look like Rodman.

[dunksby]

I'm not a Minnesota fan, I'm a fan of basketball so I'm watching Minnesota. I like Okafor but Towns can do EVERYTHING on offense you could think of for a big and is playing top tier defense, not just in comparison to rookies but in comparison to The NBA in general. Towns is already playing like an all star caliber big.
Okafor has a more polished offensive game though, both are going to be great anyway. The league needs more skilled big men.

[Kblaze8855]

That all it takes is two players being drafted the same year to turn fanbases of each team into hating clowns of the opposing prospect isnt shocking....that it happened in 6 games is.

And pretending it has nothing to do with being a Minnesota fan? Really? How stupid does this guy think people are? That fans have never seen a guy do exactly this?

This dude will probably spend the next 10 years hating on a kid he never met because he had the audacity to be in the running for the #1 pick and is getting a little praise for playing well early.

Haters are hard to understand at times. Fans...even idiotic ones...are easy to get. Hating is just irrational at times.

Not like this guy has some long history of annoying behavior or legions of fans who have been making life miserable for other fans. Hes a kid finding his way a week into his career and playing vets to a standstill. If you cant appreciate what hes doing or at least just...let him grow and see what he becomes....I can barely respect you as a fan of the game.

You might be a fan of your team. But it doesnt seem to rise to the point of being a fan of the game we all(I assume) root for.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Yup a lot of future superstar centers

Karl is the definition of a Kentucky big man. Jack of all trades. Just a great basketball player that doesnt disrupt offense

Jahlil takes a ton of shots because he has too. Thats a great thing for a young player though and hes shooting an amazing fg percent for a young player

Kristaps while ineffcient is one of the most agressive centers I have seen in a while. Dude is a shot jacket but thats a great thing as well. When his offensive game improves he can put up Dirk like numbers

Karl = Tim Duncan

Jahlil = Karl Malone

Kristaps = Dirk

Not far fetched comparison either. All these dudes were 19 yrs old this year and are putting up insane numbers for their age

[Cocaine80s]

I'm not a Minnesota fan, I'm a fan of basketball so I'm watching Minnesota. I like Okafor but Towns can do EVERYTHING on offense you could think of for a big and is playing top tier defense, not just in comparison to rookies but in comparison to The NBA in general. Towns is already playing like an all star caliber big.
I think youre just hyping Towns because you hate Wiggins

[Pointguard]

I'm not a Minnesota fan, I'm a fan of basketball so I'm watching Minnesota. I like Okafor but Towns can do EVERYTHING on offense you could think of for a big and is playing top tier defense, not just in comparison to rookies but in comparison to The NBA in general. Towns is already playing like an all star caliber big.
I love all around players so I do favor Towns but Oak is better offensively. His moves and intuitive counter moves are a thing of beauty and far advanced in comparison to Towns. His touch and Zingers touch are as good as any big mans. Oak uses his advantages extremely well (lower body weight, large hands, great touch, superior foot movement, girth, natural knowledge of where the defender and rim are, resourcefulness, counters, variety of post skills) I doubt any center will utilize those gifts better than Oak. Embiid has the ability to match Towns in overall game. But in what Oak does well I dont see much comp there.

[IGOTGAME]

I think youre just hyping Towns because you hate Wiggins

I've been hyping Wiggins for the last year. What does that have to do with this? I'm big on Rubio/Wiggins/Towns

So much so that I watch TWolves games a lot now

I also like Okafor too, just not as much as Towns.

[STATUTORY]

I've been hyping Wiggins for the last year. What does that have to do with this? I'm big on Rubio/Wiggins/Towns

So much so that I watch TWolves games a lot now

I also like Okafor too, just not as much as Towns.

what you think about DLo man?

[IGOTGAME]

what you think about DLo man?

I gotta watch the last two games...can't say yet.

[plowking]

It's not really close. Towns is also better on offense too. It's a big gap between the two.

Is it still not close?

I feel as if it is close. In fact, I feel as if Okafor is the better out of the two. Closed the gap pretty quickly. :oldlol:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

25-12 vs 6-2. Tough choice.

[FKAri]

There is no way Towns is better than Okafor on offense. Come on now that basically all Okafor's got. He's by far the best rookie scorer right now.

[noob cake]

25-12 vs 6-2. Tough choice.

Towns with his all-NBA defense couldn't stop Okafor without fouling. Also got rejected by Okafor twice in the first quarters, before he stopped trying.

[TripleA]

Okafor has negative win shares and terrible effiency.
Terrible defense. He definitely can improve right now he is a detrimate to a team.
While Towns even if he can't score he can provide defense and passing.
Okafor by all metrics except for points is worst than Towns.
Also no wins.

[plowking]

Okafor has negative win shares and terrible effiency.
Terrible defense. He definitely can improve write now he is a detrimate to team.
While Towns even if he can score he can provide defense and passing.

Okafor is a detriment to his team? Really? :oldlol:

That is the best we could come up with to try and disparage what he does on the court? He clearly is the only positive on the court for Philly along with Noel.

[Dave3]

This is going to be one of those threads where each game is going to result in a reply from one side or another isn't it?

Obviously it's close. Obviously they're both really good and will change their respective franchises. If you pretend it's not close, you're a Wolves or Sixers fan. If you're anything else, you'd realize it was close.

[Nets fan 93]

Brook Lopez
A couple years ago playing with humphries Reggie Evans or kg. Not anymore

[Fire Colangelo]

Towns with his all-NBA defense couldn't stop Okafor without fouling. Also got rejected by Okafor twice in the first quarters, before he stopped trying.

What are your thoughts on Wiggins so far?

[Dave3]

What are your thoughts on Wiggins so far?
You mean the second worst first pick of all time?

[AI09]

This is going to be one of those threads where each game is going to result in a reply from one side or another isn't it?

Obviously it's close. Obviously they're both really good and will change their respective franchises. If you pretend it's not close, you're a Wolves or Sixers fan. If you're anything else, you'd realize it was close.

I'm a sixers fan and I think Towns has more potential and will probably be the better player in the long run. That doesn't mean it's a lock I've seen many big men not live up to their potential and Okafor is no push over the kid has one of the best back to the basket games in the nba and he's only 20. His defense could get be better but it isn't horrible. Both are going to have bright futures no doubt about it

[Fire Colangelo]

You mean the second worst first pick of all time?

:oldlol: