Wiggins reminds me of young tmac [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

plowking

11-10-2015, 01:08 AM

His jumper looks alot like Mike's too

Everything about him physically screams Mike.

For a 2 guard, or 3, he is the quickest guy we've seen since Mike off the first step. Like you said, the pull up too. Straight out in front, and has a great knack for balance on his shot. For a guy they said that sucked at shooting, he sure is making a killing on that midrange.

The only thing he hasn't figured out yet completely is using his body, which Mike found out earlier in his career. Probably because he was 2 years older as well. He doesn't even completely understand how to use his athleticism yet.

He is every bit the athlete Michael was, probably better. Just needs to work on his skills now. Ball handling, keep working on his already great post game, and learn to keep consistent.

EDIT: Wiggins isn't the one footed jumper MJ was though.

sammichoffate

11-10-2015, 01:10 AM

If this kid's ceiling is Prime Tmac, this league needs to be put on notice. The next great shooting guard :cheers:

leMVP

11-10-2015, 01:11 AM

He ain't young lebron though.

TripleA

11-10-2015, 01:17 AM

He has all the physical measurements and tools of a superstar wing.
It just seems like he is sorta mechanical. Guys like Kobe,T-Mac,Jordan were as smooth as butter. He plays more like a forward than a guard.

NattyPButter

11-10-2015, 01:33 AM

fawk you Cavs front office and you too Lebron

Paul George 24

11-10-2015, 01:36 AM

fawk you Cavs front office and you too Lebron
lebron trade him for love :lol

iTare

11-10-2015, 01:47 AM

holy sh*t that dunk. but he really does look like mike out there, tha f*ck,
:biggums:

RRR3

11-10-2015, 01:52 AM

T-Mac could run an offense.

iTare

11-10-2015, 01:52 AM

haha i love how the commentator sees what we all see.
he finally is playing above every one else, like he should.

JimmyMcAdocious

11-10-2015, 01:55 AM

He's so ****ing bouncy. Every step he takes his motion looks like he's in the process of leaping.

SugarHill

11-10-2015, 01:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7MRMEQUTw
am I trippin or was his entire head over the rim alley at 1:00? :biggums:

ProfessorMurder

11-10-2015, 02:02 AM

Damn. :applause:

miggyme1

11-10-2015, 02:05 AM

Prime_Shaq

11-10-2015, 02:13 AM

I agree he isn't very smooth like T-Mac or Mike, he's much more mechanical but you can certainly see the potential in him.

Leftimage

11-10-2015, 02:34 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsMRuhj89SQ Needs to devlope playmaking through

Sensational performance. Very killer instinct at the end there.

Sportal

11-10-2015, 02:42 AM

Seemed pretty killer at the end there. When the Wolves needed a score, it was him.

Fire Colangelo

11-10-2015, 02:50 AM

LMAO at you bums saying he looks like mike. Dude isnt smooth at all,has no grace etc. Only thing him and mike have in common is every night they step out on the court they are the best athletes on the court.

Handles are still suspect, jordan came into the league a pretty skilled ball handler, nothing flashy but he had great control. I cringe every time wiggins gets the rock outside of 17 feet.

He doesnt even resemble a young tmac. Maybe a young vince carter, tmac was another guy who was pretty skilled coming into the league he just had to adjust to playing against grown men and not skinny,small high school kids.

Well, Wiggins was two years younger than MJ as a rookie, so that's why there is a difference in skill. Michael was obviously more fundamentally sound when he came into the league and was able to dominate right away.

I think Wiggins can reach Paul George level next year before truly breaking out into superstar status. We probably won't see Wiggins averaging 30 since he has tons of talent around him. But he's more than capable of putting up 25/5/5 on elite defense.

TheImmortal

11-10-2015, 03:13 AM

Wiggins >>>>>>>>> Young T-Mac

JimmyMcAdocious

11-10-2015, 03:20 AM

Wiggins >>>>>>>>> Young T-Mac

Wiggins will be 21 this season.

TMac at 21: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 45%.

FKAri

11-10-2015, 03:32 AM

Damn lookin like 80's MJ. Not nearly as polished tho.

BlakFrankWhite

11-10-2015, 03:34 AM

So, meaning a shit version of KD?

Cuz T-Mac was garbage compared to Kevin Durant

LilEddyCurry

11-10-2015, 03:47 AM

LMAO at you bums saying he looks like mike. Dude isnt smooth at all,has no grace etc. Only thing him and mike have in common is every night they step out on the court they are the best athletes on the court.

Handles are still suspect, jordan came into the league a pretty skilled ball handler, nothing flashy but he had great control. I cringe every time wiggins gets the rock outside of 17 feet.

He doesnt even resemble a young tmac. Maybe a young vince carter, tmac was another guy who was pretty skilled coming into the league he just had to adjust to playing against grown men and not skinny,small high school kids.

MJ spent three years in college. If Wiggins did what MJ did then he would still be in college today.

Look at the similarities in their jump shot (comparing him to young MJ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIq7ma7c6UE

Shih508

11-10-2015, 03:59 AM

Wiggins will be 21 this season.

TMac at 21: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 45%.

You should compare TMac's 3rd season instead since TMac entered the league one year younger than Wiggins did.

TMac at 21: 15.4/6.3/3.3/1.9/1.1 on 45%

BlakFrankWhite

11-10-2015, 04:07 AM

Durant at age 21

30.1 / 7.6 / 2.9 on 61% TS

-Scoring champion

-2nd in MVP votes

LilEddyCurry

11-10-2015, 04:18 AM

Wiggins will be 21 this season.

TMac at 21: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 45%.
What are you on? T-Mac's 3rd year in the league = Wiggins' 2nd year in the league since T-Mac went straight to the NBA from high school whilst Wiggins stayed in college for one year. In T-Mac's 3rd year in the league he averaged 15.4 points per game on 45% shooting.. :coleman:

FrenchDude

11-10-2015, 05:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsMRuhj89SQ Needs to devlope playmaking through

Nice performance.
I feel that he was using his post game a little bit more last year though?

theaussieguy

11-10-2015, 05:26 AM

am I trippin or was his entire head over the rim alley at 1:00? :biggums:

not surprising at all, legit 44 inch vert, something you will NEVER see from Westbrook because he is both shorter and has a pedestrian at best 36.5 inch vert.

Prime_Shaq

11-10-2015, 07:02 AM

Durant at age 21

30.1 / 7.6 / 2.9 on 61% TS

-Scoring champion

-2nd in MVP votes
Well yeah... Durant is pretty fking good

Kiddlovesnets

11-10-2015, 08:03 AM

Wiggins has much higher ceiling than the T-Mac lmao, anyway its not that hard for a No.1 pick to get only one scoring title and lead his team to several first round trips.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 10:11 AM

Well yeah... Durant is pretty fking good
That was Durant 3rd season through

STATUTORY

11-10-2015, 10:15 AM

Lebron didn't want this young Alpha on the same squad as him cuz he's an insecure beta cuckold

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 11:24 AM

Besides the fact he cant handle or shoot anywhere near even high school level mcgrady.

He is a skinny, 6'7" Amare Stoudamire. Who needs to be assited when on the move to be successful. Not sold on Wiggins at all. I don't buy the ESPN highlight hype, about him being a legit superstar.

Kvnzhangyay

11-10-2015, 11:36 AM

Tmac was a much better playmaker

Lebron23

11-10-2015, 11:39 AM

Tmac also has better handles. He went from averaging 15.4 ppg in Toronto, and averaged 26 ppg with the Orlando.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 11:55 AM

Tmac also has better handles. He went from averaging 15.4 ppg in Toronto, and averaged 26 ppg with the Orlando.
That was tmac 4 season at 21. Lets give Wiggins another year. Players breakout in their 3rd season. Wiggins is in his 2nd

Lebron23

11-10-2015, 11:59 AM

That was tmac 4 season at 21. Lets give Wiggins another year. Players breakout in their 3rd season. Wiggins is in his 2nd

I don't see him averaging over 25 ppg in his NBA Career. The Wolves are a very good young team unless he's traded to a lottery team like the Sixers, or Nets. He won't get enough touches. Let him average over 20 ppg on a very good percentage before we crown him as the next NBA Superstar.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 12:03 PM

I don't see him averaging over 25 ppg in his NBA Career. The Wolves are a very good young team unless he's traded to a lottery team like the Sixers, or Nets.
Agreed, but that means uts only circumstances he doesn't average over 25 ppg. Idk why everyone keeps saying he doesn't have a handle. He has enough to score. He doesn't need fancy dribbling. Mj and Tmac didn't have fancy dribbles. They just went quick and precise.

plowking

11-10-2015, 12:04 PM

I don't see him averaging over 25 ppg in his NBA Career. The Wolves are a very good young team unless he's traded to a lottery team like the Sixers, or Nets. He won't get enough touches. Let him average over 20 ppg on a very good percentage before we crown him as the next NBA Superstar.

Based on what? :oldlol:

What a weird thing to say. He is putting up 20ppg now and has played injured and like garbage for the most part. Apparently he is extremely lacking in skill too by the sounds of this forum.

So a bit of practice on his skills and playing injury free and he won't average 25ppg? He'll put up 23-24ppg this very season, let alone once in his career.

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 12:06 PM

I don't see him averaging over 25 ppg in his NBA Career. The Wolves are a very good young team unless he's traded to a lottery team like the Sixers, or Nets. He won't get enough touches. Let him average over 20 ppg on a very good percentage before we crown him as the next NBA Superstar.Agreed.

I also think his slight knock-kneed-ness will result in meniscus and MCL injuries before he ever develops handles or a jumper to create his own offense. He is a highlight finisher, and nothing more.....like Amare, but smaller and way skinnier.

People forget Love, on a bad minnesnowta squad, averaged 26-27ppg on great efficiency, a million times bettert than what Wiggins is doing. and Love is currently not doing very much besides spacing and rebounding on a top 7 squad.

Lebron23

11-10-2015, 12:07 PM

Based on what? :oldlol:

What a weird thing to say. He is putting up 20ppg now and has played injured and like garbage for the most part. Apparently he is extremely lacking in skill too by the sounds of this forum.

So a bit of practice on his skills and playing injury free and he won't average 25ppg? He'll put up 23-24ppg this very season, let alone once in his career.

Because he has a good team around him. You want to see an NBA Player who elevated his game from his rookie season to his sophomore season. Look at LeBron's numbers in the 2004-05 NBA Season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2005/

plowking

11-10-2015, 12:09 PM

Because he has a good team around win. You want to see an NBA Player who elevated his game from his rookie season to his sophomore season. Look at LeBron's numbers in the 2004-05 NBA Season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2005/

We're like 6 f*cking games in. Calm the hell down lol...

Dude was great for Canada in the offseason, and now that the back seems better, he is pouring in points.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 12:11 PM

Agreed.

I also think his slight knock-kneed-ness will result in meniscus and MCL injuries before he ever develops handles or a jumper to create his own offense. He is a highlight finisher, and nothing more.....like Amare, but smaller and way skinnier.

People forget Love, on a bad minnesnowta squad, averaged 26-27ppg on great efficiency, a million times bettert than what Wiggins is doing. and Love is currently not doing very much besides spacing and rebounding on a top 7 squad.
He already has a midrange jumper and a post game. Kevin love was doing all that in loses. Wiggins is willing his team to victories in the clutch. He started the season with a back injury.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 12:13 PM

Because he has a good team around him. You want to see an NBA Player who elevated his game from his rookie season to his sophomore season. Look at LeBron's numbers in the 2004-05 NBA Season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2005/
Lebron>Wiggins and Lj caje in with a better nba body. Winngins seems to have a slight jumper advantage and already has a decent post game. He already a great defender too unlike young LJ

TheImmortal

11-10-2015, 12:13 PM

Are people forgetting that Wiggins is a potential DPOY??? Dude is as good as anyone on the perimeter defensively. He can handle his own 1on1 against pretty much any non-big man.

As for LeBron.. LeBron only started to play legit defense 6 or so years into his NBA career.. and looks like he's been doo-doo the last 2 or so years.

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 12:18 PM

He already has a midrange jumper and a post game. Kevin love was doing all that in loses. Wiggins is willing his team to victories in the clutch. He started the season with a back injury.Can you in all honesty say you really like Wiggins jumper? Or honestly think Wiggins can create his own offense on a playoff-level squad ? be real man. The dude is a skinny 6'7" baby, who is an athletic freak getting hella highlights. He's not a basketball player yet.

Lebron23

11-10-2015, 12:18 PM

juju151111

11-10-2015, 12:27 PM

Can you in all honesty say you really like Wiggins jumper? Or honestly think Wiggins can create his own offense on a playoff-level squad ? be real man. The dude is a skinny 6'7" baby, who is an athletic freak getting hella highlights. He's not a basketball player yet.
Who cares if he is skinny?Mj was skinny and was dunking on centers every game. Eiggins is skinny and does same thing. So what if he has highlight plays? Lj,Mj,Kobe etc.... were all highlight material in their younger years. Yes he can create his own offense. What are you talking about? He has a post game. He been doing that since the 2nd half of last year.

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 12:32 PM

Who cares if he is skinny?Mj was skinny and was dunking on centers every game. Eiggins is skinny and does same thing. So what if he has highlight plays? Lj,Mj,Kobe etc.... were all highlight material in their younger years. Yes he can create his own offense. What are you talking about? He has a post game. He been doing that since the 2nd half of last year.Duke, you're trying to compare two guys who could create any shot they wanted and had very good midrange jumpers (from day one) and nearly PG handles, body control, and decision making (from day one).........to a dude whose jumper is suspect, has PF/C handles, and is 6'6.58" without shoes or curl sponge naps, and like 194lbs. Wake up from the boo-yaa network's highlight reels. He is high school Amare Stoudamire right now.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 12:42 PM

Duke, you're trying to compare two guys who could create any shot they wanted and had very good midrange jumpers (from day one) and nearly PG handles, body control, and decision making (from day one).........to a dude whose jumper is suspect, has PF/C handles, and is 6'6.58" without shoes or curl sponge naps, and like 194lbs. Wake up from the boo-yaa network's highlight reels. He is high school Amare Stoudamire right now.
Im not saying he is Mj but your saying he highlight reel like thats some bad thing. He doesn't have Pf or C handles :lol. More like SF. Well we will see has the season goes on.

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 12:55 PM

Im not saying he is Mj but your saying he highlight reel like thats some bad thing. He doesn't have Pf or C handles :lol. More like SF. Well we will see has the season goes on.Almost all of his...

1. Highlights
2. Points, period

....are from being assisted. And he has several very good passers playing with him. As did Love, when love was averaging 26/27 up there. Don't get too excited. Wiggins next contract (which will be a big one) on another, better squad, will ultimately lead to disappointment in one(or all) of these ways:

1. Lack of performance due to injuries due to slight-knock-kneed-ness (meniscus, MCL, etc)
2. Lack of performance due to not playing with as many great passers, and team expecting him to produce his own offense in ISO's/etc.
3. Lack of performance due to his unimpressive skill level for his unimpressive size, once his elite speed and leaping wane.

Some players need a great passing ppoint guard (or a great passing team) to thrive (Amare Stoudamire's entire career ended before his injuries, it ended when Steve nash wasnt on his team) (Carlos Boozer's career spiraled downwards upon leaving Darren Williams side), and the list goes on.

I strongly predict Wiggins will display this particular malady in his future.

TMac could always make his own shot, create his own offense, and create offense for others, from day one. Wiggins is a finisher. He will need alot of work to get past this current reality.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 01:09 PM

Almost all of his...

1. Highlights
2. Points, period

....are from being assisted. And he has several very good passers playing with him. As did Love, when love was averaging 26/27 up there. Don't get too excited. Wiggins next contract (which will be a big one) on another, better squad, will ultimately lead to disappointment in one(or all) of these ways:

1. Lack of performance due to injuries due to slight-knock-kneed-ness (meniscus, MCL, etc)
2. Lack of performance due to not playing with as many great passers, and team expecting him to produce his own offense in ISO's/etc.
3. Lack of performance due to his unimpressive skill level for his unimpressive size, once his elite speed and leaping wane.

Some players need a great passing ppoint guard (or a great passing team) to thrive (Amare Stoudamire's entire career ended before his injuries, it ended when Steve nash wasnt on his team) (Carlos Boozer's career spiraled downwards upon leaving Darren Williams side), and the list goes on.

I strongly predict Wiggins will display this particular malady in his future.

TMac could always make his own shot, create his own offense, and create offense for others, from day one. Wiggins is a finisher. He will need alot of work to get past this current reality.
1. Who the hell judges someone on if they might get injured. We are talking about if he healthy obviously.
2. Why wouldn't Wiggins sign with the Wolves and he will improve like any 20 year old.
3. He 20 dude. He will gain weight :facepalm

He been creating his own shot since 2 half last season

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 01:22 PM

1. Who the hell judges someone on if they might get injured. We are talking about if he healthy obviously.
2. Why wouldn't Wiggins sign with the Wolves and he will improve like any 20 year old.
3. He 20 dude. He will gain weight :facepalm

He been creating his own shot since 2 half last season1. Someone with a fair amount of knowledge of knee injuries, their causes, and their respective rehab. Who can watch an athlete move, and know which ones have a low likelihood of detrimental injuries, and which have a high chance of such.

2. Because he will buy his own hype, and believe he can get the same numbers on a contender.

3. Maybe, maybe not.
---If he does, will the weight:
a. decrease his vertical
b. make him less explosively quick
c. make injury likelihood greater
d. all of the above

juju151111

11-10-2015, 01:25 PM

1. Someone with a fair amount of knowledge of knee injuries, their causes, and their respective rehab.

2. Because he will buy his own hype, and believe he can get the same numbers on a contender.

3. Maybe, maybe not.
---If he does, will the weight:
a. decrease his vertical
b. make him less explosively quick
c. make injury likelihood greater
d. all of the above
1. Like i said who judges a player like that.
2.bro wat are you talking about. He already on a up and coming team and most players sign with their first team.
3.no he will gain weight like any other player and still be athletic. Wade,Mj,LJ,Kobe etc... were all skinny has **** entering the league..

GoatBoy

11-10-2015, 01:49 PM

04mzwach

11-10-2015, 01:53 PM

1. Someone with a fair amount of knowledge of knee injuries, their causes, and their respective rehab. Who can watch an athlete move, and know which ones have a low likelihood of detrimental injuries, and which have a high chance of such.

2. Because he will buy his own hype, and believe he can get the same numbers on a contender.

3. Maybe, maybe not.
---If he does, will the weight:
a. decrease his vertical
b. make him less explosively quick
c. make injury likelihood greater
d. all of the above
He'd still be above standards athletically if he got a knee injury is my guess. He doesn't even use his athleticism to it's max so it wouldn't affect his play either. You're watching a player who is trying to figure it out still. That's what's a little scary for the league. His iso post up game may be his most effective weapon last year and this year because it gives him the advantage right away with his jumping ability and length over every defender he faces. He just stutter stepped, spin moved a guy last night. His handles are good enough for him to be effective I'd say. He said after the play that it's something that came naturally and he'd do it in high school all the time. Wiggins will likely be the best scorer in the game at some point in his career if not for many years.

macmac

11-10-2015, 01:58 PM

To get to the next level, he needs to get craftier. Improved footwork to utilize that quick first step or jump shot from the triple threat position. That's what made Jordan so amazing, his craftiness and bball IQ, from perfecting his fadeaway and post game to his jab step. It's what separates a great athlete from a prolific star player.

Wiggins does show a lot of potential to be an all time great tho. His body control in the air and athleticism will make him a great finisher.

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 03:08 PM

1. Like i said who judges a player like that.
2.bro wat are you talking about. He already on a up and coming team and most players sign with their first team.
3.no he will gain weight like any other player and still be athletic. Wade,Mj,LJ,Kobe etc... were all skinny has **** entering the league..1. Me. Clearly not you.
2. I predict he will sign a big deal with the Lakers or Knicks
3. None of those players were quite as skinny as him, or slightly-knock-kneed, they all had perfect skeletal structure, and musculature which wasnt uni-directional. Wiggins skeletal frame and musculature are not good rotationally. He is built to have unbelievably great explosion in a forward straight line, not necessarily to build the body structure to support strong rotational strength, and solid, non-injury-prone rotational explosion. he will require much weight training in bow-legged stances to correct his knee angles, and much lateral and rotational training to make him more of a versatile basketball type athletic structure, instead of a track type.

TheImmortal

11-10-2015, 03:31 PM

For Wiggins to get to the next level.. I feel he needs to get a little lower to the ground and get more in a triple threat position. He's a bit too upright, making him a bit less explosive off the dribble.

See Young Kobe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DADNaZUv0

If he adds this to his game... he'll be a nightmare offensively at his length and explosiveness.. nobody will be able to check him. Also his 1 foot takeoff needs some work.. I believe he can improve there.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 03:43 PM

1. Me. Clearly not you.
2. I predict he will sign a big deal with the Lakers or Knicks
3. None of those players were quite as skinny as him, or slightly-knock-kneed, they all had perfect skeletal structure, and musculature which wasnt uni-directional. Wiggins skeletal frame and musculature are not good rotationally. He is built to have unbelievably great explosion in a forward straight line, not necessarily to build the body structure to support strong rotational strength, and solid, non-injury-prone rotational explosion. he will require much weight training in bow-legged stances to correct his knee angles, and much lateral and rotational training to make him more of a versatile basketball type athletic structure, instead of a track type.
You are expecting someone to get injured, whats the point of you even speculating on players.

Hmm no he will sign the biggest contract with the timberwolves like most players do. What are you even basing this on

He will get all the training he needs he only 20

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 03:52 PM

You are expecting someone to get injured, whats the point of you even speculating on players.

Hmm no he will sign the biggest contract with the timberwolves like most players do. What are you even basing this on

He will get all the training he needs he only 20I'm expecting Wiggins to get injured, not everyone else.

It's possible.

He just might.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 03:55 PM

I'm expecting Wiggins to get injured, not everyone else.

It's possible.

He just might.
Whatever

Its possible, but not likely

He most likely will. He in a professional league and is just 20.

ShaqTwizzle

11-10-2015, 04:23 PM

T-Mac was much, much more gifted in terms of natural skill and shooting ability.
T-Mac could handle the ball like a point and even from the start clearly had good playmaking ability.
He was also a better athlete, a more fluid athlete (so smooth) and just bigger & longer then Wiggins.

T-Mac was absurdly talented, more talented then Kobe.
Very few wings All-Time had more natural talent then T-Mac if any.

Wiggins this year hasn't been very good.
Removing that one monster game against ATL he has been averaging 17 / 1.2-apg on .428%TS.

That being said I haven't really followed Wiggins but atleast looking at highlights he does appear to have the potential to become a great player.

VeeCee15

11-10-2015, 04:38 PM

tmac was not that gifted athletically
that's why once VC came to toronto, and butch carter (then coach) saw he was by far the best ahtlete ever gave him the reigns while tmac was still warming the bench

ShaqTwizzle

11-10-2015, 04:54 PM

tmac was not that gifted athletically

Whaaat?
Young T-Mac was a crazy athlete bro.

People used to compare him to VC in that respect.
Seems like a recent phenomenon where people are pushing this revisionst history that T-Mac wasn't a Top Tier athlete.
He absolutely was.

Dude could jump out of the gym in his youth and had great speed, quickness and body control with amazing natural balance/fluidity.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 04:58 PM

ShaqTwizzle

11-10-2015, 05:03 PM

He was playing injured the first 3 games and you can't just remove his better game.

Well even including it he is still only averaging 20 / 1.7 on .479%TS
And that last game was a massive outlier compared to his first 5.

DMV2

11-10-2015, 05:05 PM

Wiggins had a solid second-half of his rookie season. When he has a good game, it's really good. But when he has a bad, it's really bad because he desn't seem to do anything else besides scoring.

juju151111

11-10-2015, 05:06 PM

Well even including it he is still only averaging 20 / 1.7 on .479%TS
And that last game was a massive outlier compared to his first 5.
Huh The game before the Atl game he lit up the Bulls and shut down Butler.

ShaqTwizzle

11-10-2015, 05:09 PM

Huh The game before the Atl game he lit up the Bulls and shut down Butler.

Yeah he scored 31 but on below 50%TS (32 shots).

JtotheIzzo

11-10-2015, 05:11 PM

This whole 'Wiggins is just an athlete not a bball player, bad jumper no skills just gifts..." chatter needs to stop.

People who spout this are exposing themselves as A: not watching or B: on a Pleeze Believe, Noob Cake level dumbness.

Wiggins has a much better jumper than a lot of greats had in their second year. It is still a bit streaky, but it is fluid, he has deep range and he has very little difficulty getting it off.

As for offensive game, Wiggins can:

Score in the post
Score off the slash to the rim
Score off the flex cut
Score while absorbing contact and hanging longer than the opponent
Score on the break
Score on the alley oop
Score on a spin move
Score on the dribble pull up
Score when splitting the double team
Score on the catch and shoot
Score by getting to the line

He has basically an offensive game that 95% of the league doesn't possess.

He is humble, hardworking and will only get better and better.

He is still in deferential mode, once he takes over he will be putting up huge scoring numbers, because there is basically no way to stop him.

He isn't Beta, he is just biding his time.

BarberSchool

11-10-2015, 06:39 PM

Wiggins has a much better jumper than a lot of greats had in their second year. It is still a bit streaky, but it is fluid, he has deep range and he has very little difficulty getting it off.

As for offensive game, Wiggins can:

Score in the post
Score off the slash to the rim
Score off the flex cut
Score while absorbing contact and hanging longer than the opponent
Score on the break
Score on the alley oop
Score on a spin move
Score on the dribble pull up
Score when splitting the double team
Score on the catch and shoot
Score by getting to the line

He has basically an offensive game that 95% of the league doesn't possess.

He is humble, hardworking and will only get better and better.

He is still in deferential mode, once he takes over he will be putting up huge scoring numbers, because there is basically no way to stop him.

He isn't Beta, he is just biding his time.You Sir, are guilty AF of gross over-exxageration of what this 20 year old canadian track star can do. Or at least do well.

He may become a very good player. Maybe even a 3-4 time all satar. But never never never anywhere near Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron level. Never that, but maybe a combo of Vince Carter, Igoudala, or a smaller Amare Stoudamire level....... I think he can certainly achieve something like those three. He has the time to do it all.

But as for ever becoming an all time great?
My money is on a very solid "No."

JtotheIzzo

11-11-2015, 02:33 AM

You Sir, are guilty AF of gross over-exxageration of what this 20 year old canadian track star can do. Or at least do well.

He may become a very good player. Maybe even a 3-4 time all satar. But never never never anywhere near Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron level. Never that, but maybe a combo of Vince Carter, Igoudala, or a smaller Amare Stoudamire level....... I think he can certainly achieve something like those three. He has the time to do it all.

But as for ever becoming an all time great?
My money is on a very solid "No."

Nice strawman argument. I do not mention 'all time great' when discussing Wiggins, I simply point out what he brings to the table and his current skill set. Too much has to fall into place both inward and outward for all time to be a discussion.

There is a large library of video content backing up what I state above, it is factual, you are wrong in your points and create false arguments in your counters, a textbook sign of weak intellect and a leaky argument.

Pick a new topic, your argument has been thoroughly dismissed.

TheImmortal

11-11-2015, 03:19 AM

Nice strawman argument. I do not mention 'all time great' when discussing Wiggins, I simply point out what he brings to the table and his current skill set. Too much has to fall into place both inward and outward for all time to be a discussion.

There is a large library of video content backing up what I state above, it is factual, you are wrong in your points and create false arguments in your counters, a textbook sign of weak intellect and a leaky argument.

Pick a new topic, your argument has been thoroughly dismissed.
This. :applause:

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http://i.imgur.com/hBpEWLs.jpg

bizil

11-11-2015, 05:35 AM

TheImmortal

11-11-2015, 07:11 AM

To be frank, I see more Paul George in Wiggins than T Mac. T Mac could LEGIT play PG, SG, and SF. Peak T Mac was always around 6-7 dimes a night. That's why I see Wiggins more in the Paul George mode. Swingmen who can dominate scoring and defensively. Plus grab 7-8 boards a night. And defensive versatility wise can defend 3 to 4 positions. That's the upside I see. WHICH IS a sick upside!

But when u are talking peak T Mac, he's a top 5 SG of all time peak wise. And in terms of TOTAL OFFENSIVE ABILITY (passing, scoring skillset, handles), was as talented as DAMN NEAR ANY SG or SF EVER at his peak. When u factor his size and athletic abillty, DAMN!!!
T-Mac is getting overrated here.. T-Mac was very fragile and was often bullied by Kobe on the perimeter. Kobe weighted 10-20 lbs less in his prime, yet was a hell of a lot stronger (wirey strong ala Wiggins). In addition, T-Mac isn't catlike quick at all.. his first step was mad weak. Go look at highlights of his.. he never had an elite first step like MJ, Kobe or even Wiggins.. he wasn't quick at all to be quite honest with you.. and I felt Kobe was faster than him end to end at their peaks.. Kobe (when we're talking all-time great athletes) isn't in the upper echelon ala LeBron.

Only T-mac jerkoffs think he's this supreme being.. T-mac = most overrated POS I've ever seen. And you wonder why he's a 1st round virgin (not counting T-macless Rockets making the 2nd round in 09 and Spurs making finals in 2013).

BTW, Kobe trashed T-mac 1on1 back in the day...
"I played T-Mac. I cooked him. Roasted him. Wasn’t even close. Ask him, he’ll tell you. When I was about 20, we were in Germany doing some promotional stuff for that other sneaker company and we played basketball every day. We were in the gym all the time. We played three games of one-on-one to 11. I won all three games. One game I won 11-2. After the third game he said he had back spasms and couldn’t play anymore." - Kobe

Read more at http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/01/18/sh-blog-kobe-says-he-destroyed-t-mac-one-on-one-t-mac-denies-notion/#EvPdUl92tDokF4Qv.99

LOL at this weak and frail punk (tmac).

pauk

11-11-2015, 07:37 AM

More of Nick Young.

ShaqTwizzle

11-11-2015, 07:49 AM

BTW, Kobe trashed T-mac 1on1 back in the day...

Pretty sure T-Mac was asked about that and he said it never happened AKA Kobe made the entire story up.
IJS.

Also your entire post was mostly idiocy especially the part about T-Mac not being quick or not having an amazing first step.
Anyone can pull up a youtube video of Prime or Young T-Mac and see what obvious bull those statements are.

bizil

11-11-2015, 07:50 AM

T-Mac is getting overrated here.. T-Mac was very fragile and was often bullied by Kobe on the perimeter. Kobe weighted 10-20 lbs less in his prime, yet was a hell of a lot stronger (wirey strong ala Wiggins). In addition, T-Mac isn't catlike quick at all.. his first step was mad weak. Go look at highlights of his.. he never had an elite first step like MJ, Kobe or even Wiggins.. he wasn't quick at all to be quite honest with you.. and I felt Kobe was faster than him end to end at their peaks.. Kobe (when we're talking all-time great athletes) isn't in the upper echelon ala LeBron.

Only T-mac jerkoffs think he's this supreme being.. T-mac = most overrated POS I've ever seen. And you wonder why he's a 1st round virgin (not counting T-macless Rockets making the 2nd round in 09 and Spurs making finals in 2013).

BTW, Kobe trashed T-mac 1on1 back in the day...

LOL at this weak and frail punk (tmac).

For starters, Mac's numbers SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!!! Secondly, I NEVER SAID he was as good as Kobe. And mainly due to Kobe's defensive ability. But when it came to T Mac's TOTAL OFFENSIVE ABILITY, he's among the best of all time at the SG. And T Mac's peak I would take in the top 5 SG's of all time.

And peak T Mac EASILY QUALIFIES as a freakish athlete! The shit he did in dunk contests AND in game prove that out. Of the great SG's, certainly in the top 10 with guys like Vince, MJ, Thompson, Kobe, Drexler, and Wade when it came to freak athletic ability.