Does anyone actually believe that Iggy was more valuable tohis team than Lebron?

[nba_55]

If you take away both of their productions, which team would lose more gsw or cavs? Take Lebron away, Cavs lose 0-4. They lose each game by more than 25. Take Iggy away, it hurts gsw, they still win the series.

The FMVP award is flawed.

[JohnMax]

By that logic, Lebron should've won 2014 FMVP because he put up better numbers than Kawhi.

[StephHamann]

By that logic, Lebron should've won 2011 FMVP for the Mavs

[nba_55]

By that logic, Lebron should've won 2014 FMVP because he put up better numbers than Kawhi.

It's not about numbers. It's about value. It's called most VALUABLE player, not best player on the best team.

[ShawkFactory]

Obviously no one believes that. But there have been cases in the past where the FMVP went to someone inferior than the best player on the opposing team.

It's just a circumstantial thing. It'll happen again I'm sure.

[Real14]

Yes

[sportjames23]

I guess Lebron shoulda won in 2007, right OP?

[nba_55]

I guess Lebron shoulda won in 2007, right OP?
no

[sportjames23]

no


Why not? He was definitely more valuable to the Cavs than Parker was to the Spurs in the Finals.

[Gus Hemmingway]

FMVP was Irving's knee and Love's shoulder. FACT

[JT123]

FMVP was Irving's knee and Love's shoulder. FACT
:applause:

[bluechox2]

lebron should have won the wnba fianls mvp also

[Ai2death]

**** sake, can lebron stans get any stupider?

[ArbitraryWater]

Why not? He was definitely more valuable to the Cavs than Parker was to the Spurs in the Finals.

no he wasnt.. did you watch the finals?

[Akrazotile]

If you take away both of their productions, which team would lose more gsw or cavs? Take Lebron away, Cavs lose 0-4. They lose each game by more than 25. Take Iggy away, it hurts gsw, they still win the series.

The FMVP award is flawed.


It's the cornballs cliche to glorify "winning" even in a context where it doesnt belong. This is why people bring up rings in discussion of all time players. Its why people will only select an MVP from a handful of regular season teams. It's why FMVP is always given to the title winning team.

Dudes have to do their mindless and macho "It's all about WINNING" shtick instead of being analytical and insightful.

[Naero]

I do not mind an out-contributing player garnering recognition as the most impactful player of the series, but I do not support spawning such an anomaly for a high-honor award

[SouBeachTalents]

I do not mind an out-contributing player garnering recognition as the most impactful player of the series, but I do not support spawning such an anomaly for a high-honor award—not for an award that's designed with a congratulatory nod to the winning team.

Aside from the inaugural awardee (Jerry West; 1969), no member of the losing team has ever won the Finals MVP; I believe the postdating voting panels have second-guessed that awardeeship to West as well and thus changed their customary criteria to be exclusionary against any losing-team awardee. To award it to LeBron would be too anomalous to be considered equitable in retrospect, considering how it would wrinkle the historical criteria of it and retrospectively snub others who didn't win it despite being the best series-wide player.

In a vacuum, I would not mind it if a losing-team member did win the award, but I do not support inconsistencies in doing so. Considering all the series-best players on losing teams that haven't been endowed with such a distinction, awarding it to LeBron would retrospectively snub those who fell in that bevy—LeBron himself in 2014, Dwyane Wade in 2011, Kobe in 2008 (more arguably), Shaq in 2004, and so on. Consistence is the best breeder of equity, and the historical trends in this award disqualify any losing member from winning that award, from my POV.

it's why I'd have it renamed to "Championship MVP" to be more nominally reflective on the nature of the reward and also to be more broadly encompassing of the entire championship run; the finals is only one segment of the run, after all, even if it's at its final stage.

No way did those 3 deserve FMVP. Dirk was definitely more "valuable" than Wade, Kobe didn't play well, and Shaq was basically putting up empty stats in blow out loses

Besides LeBron this year there's no Finals I can think of where a player from the losing team deserved, or would be worthy of, Finals MVP

[G0ATbe]

Take Bald away and i think Cavs would've won it all. He was playing the worst on the team by far and endlessly hijacked the Cavs offense to pad his statline. To think Cavs took Warriors to 6 games with him on the team is mindblowing. Take Iggy away and Barnes would've shut him down instead. Curry shouldve been FMVP.

[Hittin_Shots]

Kelly Olynik FMVP

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Take Bald away and i think Cavs would've won it all. He was playing the worst on the team by far and endlessly hijacked the Cavs offense to pad his statline. To think Cavs took Warriors to 6 games with him on the team is mindblowing. Take Iggy away and Barnes would've shut him down instead. Curry shouldve been FMVP.

:applause:

[sd3035]

Lebron definitely should have won it for Dallas in 2011

[Gileraracer]

Cleveland lost with Lebron, Cleveland would have lost without Lebron. So how exactly is he valuable? Outcome is the same.

[PickernRoller]

The league and everyone watching except Letards did. So Yes.

[ballinhun8]

Cleveland lost with Lebron, Cleveland would have lost without Lebron. So how exactly is he valuable? Outcome is the same.



:applause: :applause: :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Cleveland lost with Lebron, Cleveland would have lost without Lebron. So how exactly is he valuable? Outcome is the same.

That just means you're against anyone winning FMVP on the losing team, ever.. some are a bit more open minded, and if there ever was a year, it was 2015.. Shaq 2004 up next.

Laughed at the Kobe 2008 mention, dafuq

[Asukal]

Blame lebron for giving away FMVP's to his defenders. :hammerhead:

[ShaqTwizzle]

What about 1974?

1974 Finals MVP = John Havlicek

BOS VS MIL
---
Havlicek =26 / 7.7 / 4.7 on 49%TS
+1.9 SPG

Kareem = 33 / 12.1 / 5.4 on 56%TS
+2.1 BPG

[Dresta]

No way did those 3 deserve FMVP. Dirk was definitely more "valuable" than Wade, Kobe didn't play well, and Shaq was basically putting up empty stats in blow out loses

Besides LeBron this year there's no Finals I can think of where a player from the losing team deserved, or would be worthy of, Finals MVP
Rubbish. If Lebron was deserving in 15, then there's no reason that the far superior performance of Wade in 11 isn't at least as deserving. He outplayed Dirk in terms of both stats and impact, leading a 3 man team, in which one of its members went AWOL.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rubbish. If Lebron was deserving in 15, then there's no reason that the far superior performance of Wade in 11 isn't at least as deserving. He outplayed Dirk in terms of both stats and impact, leading a 3 man team, in which one of its members went AWOL.

not close..

Dirk had perhaps the best 4th quarter finals series ever, in terms of scoring/efficiency.

Dirk scored 10+ points in 5 out of 6 games, while hitting 2 game winners.

And the impact stuff is a flat out lie :oldlol:

-2011 Finals
With Dirk on the floor:
Mavs .94 ppp - Heat .91 PPP

Without Dirk on the floor:
Mavs .48 PPP - Heat 1.26 PPP

Thats unprecedented.

[imdaman99]

Nah, I don't think the Warriors win without Iggy. If you take them both off the team, obviously the Warriors win but Iggy was the only one who could man up Lebron. He was the sole reason Lebron shot poorly. Draymond is a good defender, but he routinely gets dominated by the great SFs like Lebron and Durant.

[riseagainst]

By that logic, Lebron should've won 2011 FMVP for the Mavs


:roll:
:lol

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[nba_55]

Why not? He was definitely more valuable to the Cavs than Parker was to the Spurs in the Finals.
No, he wasn't.

[nba_55]

[QUOTE=Naero]I do not mind an out-contributing player garnering recognition as the most impactful player of the series, but I do not support spawning such an anomaly for a high-honor award

[nba_55]

Lebron definitely should have won it for Dallas in 2011
Someone already made the joke.

[nba_55]

What about 1974?

1974 Finals MVP = John Havlicek

BOS VS MIL
---
Havlicek =26 / 7.7 / 4.7 on 49%TS
+1.9 SPG

Kareem = 33 / 12.1 / 5.4 on 56%TS
+2.1 BPG

Didn't watch it, but number wise, it seems like Kareem should have won it. Numbers don't always tell the whole story.

[nba_55]

Cleveland lost with Lebron, Cleveland would have lost without Lebron. So how exactly is he valuable? Outcome is the same.

If you can't answer this question by yourself, you are stupid as ****.

[FKAri]

Lebron should've gotten the MVP. Stephen Curry should've been a close 2nd and Iggy should've been a distant 3rd in voting.

But voters got confused as they didn't want to give the losing team MVP because "reasons" and they didn't want to give an under-performing Curry, MVP. So they compromised. They gave Iggy the MVP as a way of crediting Bron while giving the MVP to the Warriors. Even tho Iggy did an AMAZING job defensively on Bron because if Bron didn't shoot an abysmal percentage it does change the complexion of that series.


Cleveland lost with Lebron, Cleveland would have lost without Lebron. So how exactly is he valuable? Outcome is the same.

Even if you delete this dumb post, I'll keep it quoted here for you.