LeBron (trade) to SAS...

[orange_chicken]

If possible, would Pop and Spurs organization trade Kawhi Leonard for LeBron James?

[kennethgriffin]

well the spurs with kawhi are better than cleveland with lebron

so what exactly are they trying to accomplish

one guy is well before his prime. the other is already past his

so that right there makes it retarded for the spurs to do this trade

aside from that. lebron would change up the entire system that makes the spurs great in the first place


which is ball movement and selflessness

lebron would demand too much of a stagnant offense and force his assist numbers at the expense of whats best for the team


having said all that i would fully expect the spurs to accept the trade just based on the false perception that lebron is nothing but positives for any team he plays for.

but the real question is... why the **** is this retarded hypothetical even being discussed... its literally an impossibility

[aj1987]

which is ball movement and selflessness

lebron would demand too much of a stagnant offense and force his assist numbers at the expense of whats best for the team


having said all that i would fully expect the spurs to accept the trade just based on the false perception that lebron is nothing but positives for any team he plays for.
Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[DoctorP]

do it. why not?

Gilbert should do it just to pawn Bron.

[GIF REACTION]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3
:applause: :bowdown:

[Fire Colangelo]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

:applause: :applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3
Damn, use some lube son :applause:

[JohnFreeman]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3
Damn, what a post.

[Spurs m8]

LOL **** that.

We'd need LeBron and a 1st Round pick, at least.

But no.

Hell no.

[3ball]

To fit into the Spurs system, you must be a highly-assisted player.

Lebron's assisted rate in 2015 season: 32%

Kawhi's assisted rate in 2015 season: 55%


Lebron would destroy the Spurs chemistry... The ruined chemistry would cause the Spurs to underachieve and disappoint like many of Lebron's teams historically.

[Paul George 24]

my spurs dun need lebron,plz no ........................:banana:

[bigkingsfan]

Spurs would do it, five year of Lebron > 10 years of Kawhi

[Spurs m8]

Spurs would do it, five year of Lebron > 10 years of Kawhi

Bullshit.

An aging bloke past his prime whos a proven loser, against 10 years of one of the best up and comers in the league.

Kawhi is already better than LeBron pretty much this season, Spurs do not get this ball killing fgt in

[bigkingsfan]

Bullshit.

An aging bloke past his prime whos a proven loser, against 10 years of one of the best up and comers in the league.

Kawhi is already better than LeBron pretty much this season, Spurs do not get this ball killing fgt in

Lets hope they can get out of the first round this year.

[Gileraracer]

Why trade a decent shooter for a 27% shooter?

[Spurs m8]

You say it like LeBron doesn't purposely play in a weaker conference every year.

P.ussy

[bigkingsfan]

Yea, it must be so difficult to get out of the first round. Don't forget about them choking in the final game of the season to a 45 win team and lost the higher seed.

[Random_Guy]

lol @ these type of questions, spurs would be retarded NOT to do it, with lebron they are a gurantee to win at least 3 more barring major injuries, and they take the biggest contender away from the easy. 3 more guranteed championships trumps 10 years of contending with an unsure championship.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Lets hope they can get out of the first round this year.

:coleman:

[Spurs m8]

lol @ these type of questions, spurs would be retarded NOT to do it, with lebron they are a gurantee to win at least 3 more barring major injuries, and they take the biggest contender away from the easy. 3 more guranteed championships trumps 10 years of contending with an unsure championship.

Another stupid cnt

It like you fgts dont watch basketball

[Rocketswin2013]

To fit into the Spurs system, you must be a highly-assisted player.

Lebron's assisted rate in 2015 season: 32%

Kawhi's assisted rate in 2015 season: 55%


Lebron would destroy the Spurs chemistry... The ruined chemistry would cause the Spurs to underachieve and disappoint like many of Lebron's teams historically.
LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.

I'll guide you since you don't watch NBA basketball:

"We've brought in some more guys that can handle the ball in obviously Mo Williams and also Delly [Matthew Dellavedova]," James said after shootaround Wednesday in advance of the Cavs' game against the New York Knicks (8 p.m. ET, ESPN). "And I've just tried to get the ball out of my hands a lot more knowing that, especially when Ky [Kyrie Irving] gets back, we're going to have three point guards that can initiate the offense."

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1325/lebron-james-ive-tried-to-get-the-ball-out-of-my-hands-this-season

LeBron has had 45% of his made FG's assisted this year(career high). Cavs are 3rd in Assist ratio(behind Spurs-East Hawks and the optimal strategy Warriors), 3rd in ORTG, and Lebron is putting up 25/7/7 with .56 TS% on low minutes with a 27.7 PER. :lol


When Kyrie gets back we will continue to see even more of this as he said above. It's as if, if the personnel is right, Lebron can easily move to being a more off-ball player. Unthinkable.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Yea, it must be so difficult to get out of the first round. Don't forget about them choking in the final game of the season to a 45 win team and lost the higher seed.

http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/783/439/3439783.gif

[aj1987]

To fit into the Spurs system, you must be a highly-assisted player.

Lebron's assisted rate in 2015 season: 32%

Kawhi's assisted rate in 2015 season: 55%


Lebron would destroy the Spurs chemistry... The ruined chemistry would cause the Spurs to underachieve and disappoint like many of Lebron's teams historically.
:roll:

GTFOH, you inbred shit.

TP in '05 - 36.2% in the RS and 34.9% in the PO's
TP in '07 - 33.3% in the RS and 29.2% in the PO's
TP in '14 - 36% in the RS and 29.2% in the PO's

LeBron in '12 - 37.5% in the RS and 31.9% in the PO's
LeBron in '13 - 40.1 % in the RS and 43.4% in the PO's

Even this season, right now, LeBron is at 42.5%.

[rmt]

Lebron would nix any trade to the West. He has a near guarantee spot in the Finals from the East - no such guarantee in the West.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

:roll:

GTFOH, you inbred shit.

TP in '05 - 36.2% in the RS and 34.9% in the PO's
TP in '07 - 33.3% in the RS and 29.2% in the PO's
TP in '14 - 36% in the RS and 29.2% in the PO's

LeBron in '12 - 37.5% in the RS and 31.9% in the PO's
LeBron in '13 - 40.1 % in the RS and 43.4% in the PO's

Even this season, right now, LeBron is at 42.5%.

Why are you always defending LeBron in all your posts? Aren't you a Heat fan? And yes, Tony Porker is a cancerous ball hog. We all know this. The fact LeBaldo's numbers are comparable to his actually reinforces Treeball's point here.

:confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

Why are you always defending LeBron in all your posts? Aren't you a Heat fan? And yes, Tony Porker is a cancerous ball hog. We all know this. The fact LeBaldo's numbers are comparable to his actually reinforces Treeball's point here.

:confusedshrug:
He's probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite player in the league. Helped my team get to 4 straight Finals and 2 rings. Not just that, but even page on this board is filled with at the least 10 LeBron threads. Kinda hard to ignore them.

Also, Timmy was at 46.5% in the '05 PO's. Was he also a "cancerous ball hog", who destroyed the Spurs' chemistry?

51.4% in '03 (only 8% higher than LeBron in '13) and 48.3% in '07.

Why are you always hating on LeBron though. Don't you actually enjoy watching basketball? Is your sole purpose in life hating on a player you'll never even see in your entire existence? Pretty negative life you're living, dude.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

He's probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite player in the league. Helped my team get to 4 straight Finals and 2 rings. Not just that, but even page on this board is filled with at the least 10 LeBron threads. Kinda hard to ignore them.

Also, Timmy was at 46.5% in the '05 PO's. Was he also a "cancerous ball hog", who destroyed the Spurs' chemistry?

51.4% in '03 (only 8% higher than LeBron in '13) and 48.3% in '07.

Why are you always hating on LeBron though. Don't you actually enjoy watching basketball? Is your sole purpose in life hating on a player you'll never even see in your entire existence? Pretty negative life you're living, dude.

You would have another chip if not for that man, you should hold him accountable for what he took away from your boy Wade in 2011.

:(

The Spurs in 2005 were a completely different team than what they are in 2015. Timmy NEEDED to be that guy because we didn't have all the weapons we have now or that LeBron had on those Heat squads. 2003 is possibly the GOAT carry, so that should be discounted. 2007 was another prime "The Man" year for GODkin where he put the Spurs on his back and then was robbed of FMVP like in 2014.

:coleman:

I don't always hate on LeBon. Just in another thread I quoted one your Heat fans laying down that ether propping up Bran on some Warriors fans. Of course I enjoy watching basketball. As a Spurs fan, though, we've faced LeBron lead teams numerous times in the finals, so it makes complete sense for me to root against the man. I have no hate for anyone, son. This is a message board used to pass the time for fun. Nothing negative I say here is serious and is just to shoot the shit with other like-minded basketball minds.

:cheers:

[PickernRoller]

Lets hope they can get out of the first round this year.

:lol


Why are you always defending LeBron in all your posts? Aren't you a Heat fan? And yes, Tony Porker is a cancerous ball hog. We all know this. The fact LeBaldo's numbers are comparable to his actually reinforces Treeball's point here.

:confusedshrug:

Nikka is an alt, and a bonafine Letard. If he were a Heat fan, I would be Pat Riley.

[kennethgriffin]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3


i dunno about all this advanced stuff... all i see is wade/bosh being limited while the heat basically choke 3 out of 4 finals. ( 1 saved by ray ) and the 2009 and 2010 cavs majorly underachieving


then theres the whole 2015 nba finals in which lebron took 30 shots a game at 27%

[Spurs m8]

Yep.

He should be so much better than he actually is.

[aj1987]

You would have another chip if not for that man, you should hold him accountable for what he took away from your boy Wade in 2011.
Sure. I always blame LeBron for Miami losing in '11. You seem to know my post history pretty well. You should know that. I've dished out my fair bit of LeBron criticism.


The Spurs in 2005 were a completely different team than what they are in 2015. Timmy NEEDED to be that guy because we didn't have all the weapons we have now or that LeBron had on those Heat squads. 2003 is possibly the GOAT carry, so that should be discounted. 2007 was another prime "The Man" year for GODkin where he put the Spurs on his back and then was robbed of FMVP like in 2014.
:oldlol:

What?

Manu averaged 21/6/4 on 51% and TP averaged 17/3/4 on 46% in the PO's in '05. Not to mention an ELITE defender in Bowen and role-players like Horry and Barry.

21/3/6 on 53% TS and 17/6/4 on 56% TS in the '07 PO's. Timmy didn't even win the FMVP in '07.

Oh, and don't forget that Duncan had that help during his PRIME.

It's basically the same team as the '15 Spurs or the '14 Spurs. Timmy, TP, Manu, and an ELITE defender (albeit a much better scorer). Except, back then the core were all in their PRIMES.


i dunno about all this advanced stuff... all i see is wade/bosh being limited while the heat basically choke 3 out of 4 finals. ( 1 saved by ray ) and the 2009 and 2010 cavs majorly underachieving


then theres the whole 2015 nba finals in which lebron took 30 shots a game at 27%
In other words, you have no answer and you're just talking out your ass. Good to know. :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Aj :cheers:

Spurs5Rings2014 you aight too :cheers:

[G0ATbe]

Why would spurs switch kawhi entering his prime with the guy he shut down and outplayed in the finals?

[3ball]

LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.

Lebron is putting up 25/7/7 with .56 TS% on low minutes with a 27.7 PER.


So you're bragging that Lebron has a stacked team again, where he can average his typical 25.0/6.5/6.5, which would be the worst stats of MJ's Bulls career?

You should be disappointed that Lebron can't achieve goat stats unless he's thoroughly dominating the ball.. But the ball-domination results in his typical "empty" stats, since his team can't win that way.





LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.


Lebron is only playing off-ball slightly more - the stats prove that 60% of Lebron's 2016 halfcourt offense is still achieved through ball-dominance - either PNR ballhandler or isolations:

Breakdown of Lebron's offense from NBA.com:

Transition: 25.0%
PNR Ballhandler: 21.2%
Isolations: 20.2%
Post-Up: 10.6%
Cut: 7.7%....... :(
Spot-Up: 3.4%... :facepalm
Off-Screen: 3.4%.... :rolleyes:
Hand-off: 2.4%
Putback: 1.9%




LeBron has had 45% of his made FG's assisted this year(career high).


It's true that Lebron's time of possession is lower this year - only 4.2 minutes per game so far.. The last 2 regular seasons, it was 6.1 minutes per game, which was higher than many point guards and the highest of any non-point guard.

Btw, during the 2015 season, point guard John Wall led the league with 8.3 minutes in regular season and 10.0 minutes in postseason.. But in the 2015 Finals, Lebron's time of possession was a massive 12.0 minutes, or 50% higher than John Wall's league-leading RS!!!

Ultimately, Lebron's Finals stats were invalidated by his ridiculously-high time of possession (50% higher than the regular season leader), his stat-padding (losing) clearout style, and of course his 39% shooting despite no double-teams.

And even this season, the stats show Lebron gets 60% of his halfcourt offense from isolations and pnr ballhandler.





When Kyrie gets back


Lebron's stats will crater, because he won't just play off-ball sometimes like he does now - he'll have to actually BE an off-ball player for extended stretches..

He for damn sure won't get 60% of his halfcourt offense from isolations and pnr ballhandler like he does now (as shown above).
.

[Paul George 24]

Yea, it must be so difficult to get out of the first round. Don't forget about them choking in the final game of the season to a 45 win team and lost the higher seed.
you better worries ur team more :lol

[Paul George 24]

LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.

I'll guide you since you don't watch NBA basketball:


http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1325/lebron-james-ive-tried-to-get-the-ball-out-of-my-hands-this-season

LeBron has had 45% of his made FG's assisted this year(career high). Cavs are 3rd in Assist ratio(behind Spurs-East Hawks and the optimal strategy Warriors), 3rd in ORTG, and Lebron is putting up 25/7/7 with .56 TS% on low minutes with a 27.7 PER. :lol


When Kyrie gets back we will continue to see even more of this as he said above. It's as if, if the personnel is right, Lebron can easily move to being a more off-ball player. Unthinkable.

my spurs dun need a 4 times choker ( 2/6 ) :banana:

[Paul George 24]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3
lbj is a ball dominant,so plz no :banana:

[Springsteen]

Kawhi just took it to Durant and Westbrook. I'll stick with the young stud.

If you're talking about Lebron from a few years ago, well then maybe. MAYBE.

[Uncle Drew]

my spurs dun need a 4 times choker ( 2/6 ) :banana:
Your Spurs? You're a Turkish Paul George stan, heh.

[aj1987]

Kawhi just took it to Durant and Westbrook. I'll stick with the young stud.

If you're talking about Lebron from a few years ago, well then maybe. MAYBE.
:roll:

Pop would take LeBron in a heartbeat.

[Spurs m8]

:roll:

Pop would take LeBron in a heartbeat.

Maybe a few years ago....you stupid cnts aren't bright enough to work this side of things out though.

Ball killing, 2/6 fgt can get ****ed...doesn't belong on the Spurs what so ever.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3


Still lost in finals though :roll:

[aj1987]

Maybe a few years ago....you stupid cnts aren't bright enough to work this side of things out though.

Ball killing, 2/6 fgt can get ****ed...doesn't belong on the Spurs what so ever.
Did you miss my first post, you shrimp dick retarded ******?

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[ISHGoat]

Did you miss my first post, you shrimp dick retarded ******?

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[3ball]

:lol
.

[aj1987]

...
Like clockwork. With your usual retarded LeBron/MJ rants. Seek help, dude. You're mentally ill.


Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[aj1987]

Moronic cherrypicked BS
Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[sdot_thadon]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3
:oldlol: :applause:

[3ball]

The bolded is true - Lebron's teammates normally have higher efficiency alongside Lebron.. But that's because Lebron significantly lowers his teammates' APG, while increasing their assisted rate, proving he turns them from play-makers into play-finishers.. Play-finishers have higher efficiency, but don't have the capacity to play as well at the highest levels of competition (Finals)..

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates from lower efficiency play-makers that add deeper dimensions to the team, into higher efficiency play-finishers that make the team more solvable.. Lebron's easily solvable ball-dominance is why his teams lost 3 straight games to finish out each of his 4 Finals losses.. The opponent quickly figured out his team's rudimentary approach, and proceeded to destroy him, with no counter-adjustment possible out of the rigid, basic Lebron-ball.

Furthermore, Lebron-ball's effect of lowering teammates' assists and playmaking (turning teammates from playmakers into play-finishers) prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all five guys SHARE the playmaking duties more equally.. But in Lebron's case, since his monopolization of the playmaking prevents the best brand of basketball, various equal or less-talented teams have pulled upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..



Fixed



In 2014, the Heat's 53-win record proved they would've barely made the playoffs if they were in the West, while their world-record Finals loss confirmed they were a 1st or 2nd Western Conference team at best.

This is completely legitimate - the Heat were not a very good team in 2014 - only a 1st or 2nd Round Western Conference team.. Falling from 1st Round Western Conference team to lottery is barely any drop-off at all, especially since Wade/Bosh were hurt much of the year.




1998 Bulls: 3.74
1997 Bulls: 3.45
1996 Bulls: 3.67
1993 Bulls: 3.56
1992 Bulls: 3.40
1991 Bulls: 3.54
1990 Bulls: 3.65
1989 Bulls: 3.59
1988 Bulls: 3.65
1987 Bulls: 3.67
1985 Bulls: 4.09
____________________
1984 Bulls: 3.91
1983 Bulls: 4.18
1982 Bulls: 3.98
1981 Bulls: 4.28
1980 Bulls: 3.89
1979 Bulls: 3.88
1978 Bulls: 3.93
1977 Bulls: 4.12
1976 Bulls: 4.82
1975 Bulls: 4.45

With MJ: 3.64
Without MJ: 4.14
___________________
0.50 improvement with MJ - MJ improved Bulls' assist frequency more


Source: basketball-reference.com


Remember, starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted.. Not surprisingly, Lebron's presence as an additional, low-assisted player didn't materially improve the assist frequency of his Heat and Cavs teams.. Otoh, MJ was a highly-assisted, off-ball player, so his presence significantly increased the assist frequency of his teams, as the data above shows.

No wonder MJ's role players never underperformed - his relentless off-ball game made it easier for teammates to playmake.


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-16-2015/NlRpyo.gif



The fact that Lebron usually leads a top 5 offense is not noteworthy.. Nash, Kevin Johnson, Karl Malone and many other players have led top 5 offenses as well, with similarly sparkling stats to support it.. It means nothing..

Otoh, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates, as demonstrated by his teammates lower APG and PPG.. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, which is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill MJ needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.. MJ could've been a ball-dominant, low-assisted player that achieved stats at the expense of teammates too - but then he wouldn't be 6/6.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

[aj1987]

Irrelevant BS
Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[3ball]

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3


Jordan-led offenses:

'90 - 5
'91 - 1
'92 - 1
'93 - 2
'96 - 1
'97 - 1

[3ball]

Jordan-led offenses:

'90 - 5
'91 - 1
'92 - 1
'93 - 2
'96 - 1
'97 - 1


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

[warriorfan]

Jordan-led offenses:

'90 - 5
'91 - 1
'92 - 1
'93 - 2
'96 - 1
'97 - 1

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[3ball]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif
:cheers:

[3ball]

Jordan-led offenses:

'90 - 5
'91 - 1
'92 - 1
'93 - 2
'96 - 1
'97 - 1


http://img.pandawhale.com/post-40544-Brad-Pitt-is-there-no-one-else-Dkiy.gif

[aj1987]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif
Forgot to log into your alt, dumbass? :oldlol:

Why are you bringing up MJ? This thread literally has nothing to do with him. You do know that by comparing them, you're admitting that they're actually comparable, right?

[Spurs m8]

My god some of you fgts need a life...you sad cnts hahah

post novels all you like...hes a career loser that would never fit into the Spurs winning system.
too selfish.
not good enough.

[toxicxr6]

I'm as much a passionate spurs fan that anyone.... And I totally mean this.

I would not trade Leonard for James. Had this been two years ago.. Yes I absolutely would, but now? No way.

Is lebron better than Leonard right now? Yes he is. But lebron is on the decline and Leonard is on the up. By 2017 Leonard will be a better player than lebron, next season the gap probably won't be very large at all.

Spurs pride themselves on making good long term moves to contend... Trading Leonard for lebron would end up being a big mistake by 2017

[Bankaii]

Forgot to log into your alt, dumbass? :oldlol:

Why are you bringing up MJ? This thread literally has nothing to do with him. You do know that by comparing them, you're admitting that they're actually comparable, right?
Aj slaying 3Ball left and right:applause:

My god some of you fgts need a life...you sad cnts hahah

post novels all you like...hes a career loser that would never fit into the Spurs winning system.
too selfish.
not good enough.
Why are all you post hate-filled, biased, unintelligent bullshit. This is like your 4th post in this thread that no one responded to so I'll show you attention. Did Lebron rape your family or something?

[Spurs m8]

I'm as much a passionate spurs fan that anyone.... And I totally mean this.

I would not trade Leonard for James. Had this been two years ago.. Yes I absolutely would, but now? No way.

Is lebron better than Leonard right now? Yes he is. But lebron is on the decline and Leonard is on the up. By 2017 Leonard will be a better player than lebron, next season the gap probably won't be very large at all.

Spurs pride themselves on making good long term moves to contend... Trading Leonard for lebron would end up being a big mistake by 2017

Stop making sense

[3ball]

(all of Lebron's teammates had higher TS% alongside him, and Mo Williams was an all-star alongside Lebron)


The bolded is true - Lebron's teammates normally have higher efficiency alongside Lebron.. But that's because Lebron significantly lowers his teammates' APG, while increasing their assisted rate, proving he turns them from play-makers into play-finishers.. Play-finishers have higher efficiency, but don't have the capacity to play as well at the highest levels of competition (Finals)..

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates from lower efficiency play-makers that add deeper dimensions to the team, into higher efficiency play-finishers that make the team more solvable.. Lebron's easily solvable ball-dominance is why his teams lost 3 straight games to finish out each of his 4 Finals losses.. The opponent quickly figured out his team's rudimentary approach, and proceeded to destroy him, with no counter-adjustment possible out of the rigid, basic Lebron-ball.

Furthermore, Lebron-ball's effect of lowering teammates' assists and playmaking (turning teammates from playmakers into play-finishers) prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all five guys SHARE the playmaking duties more equally.. But in Lebron's case, since his monopolization of the playmaking prevents the best brand of basketball, various equal or less-talented teams have pulled upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..





Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Underachievers - repeatedly lost as 1 seed
Cav's after losing LeBron, Zydrunas, Shaq, Delonte, Varejao, Mo Williams : Lottery


Fixed





Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery


In 2014, the Heat's 53-win record proved they would've barely made the playoffs if they were in the West, while their world-record Finals loss confirmed they were a 1st or 2nd Western Conference team at best.

This is completely legitimate - the Heat were not a very good team in 2014 - only a 1st or 2nd Round Western Conference team.. Falling from 1st Round Western Conference team to lottery is barely any drop-off at all, especially since Wade/Bosh were hurt much of the year.







Possessions per assist:


2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

Avg. with LeBron: 4.27
Without LeBron: 4.55
____________________
0.28 improvement with Lebron



2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

With LeBron: 4.41
Without LeBron: 4.48
___________________
0.07 improvement with Lebron



1998 Bulls: 3.74
1997 Bulls: 3.45
1996 Bulls: 3.67
1993 Bulls: 3.56
1992 Bulls: 3.40
1991 Bulls: 3.54
1990 Bulls: 3.65
1989 Bulls: 3.59
1988 Bulls: 3.65
1987 Bulls: 3.67
1985 Bulls: 4.09
____________________
1984 Bulls: 3.91
1983 Bulls: 4.18
1982 Bulls: 3.98
1981 Bulls: 4.28
1980 Bulls: 3.89
1979 Bulls: 3.88
1978 Bulls: 3.93
1977 Bulls: 4.12
1976 Bulls: 4.82
1975 Bulls: 4.45

With MJ: 3.64
Without MJ: 4.14
___________________
0.50 improvement with MJ - MJ improved Bulls' assist frequency more


Source: basketball-reference.com


Remember, starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted.. Not surprisingly, Lebron's presence as an additional, low-assisted player didn't materially improve the assist frequency of his Heat and Cavs teams.. Otoh, MJ was a highly-assisted, off-ball player, so his presence significantly increased the assist frequency of his teams, as the data above shows.

No wonder MJ's role players never underperformed - his relentless off-ball game made it easier for teammates to playmake.


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-16-2015/NlRpyo.gif





LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3


Jordan-led offenses:

'90 - 5
'91 - 1
'92 - 1
'93 - 2
'96 - 1
'97 - 1


The fact that Lebron usually leads a top 5 offense is not noteworthy.. Nash, Kevin Johnson, Karl Malone and many other players have led top 5 offenses as well, with similarly sparkling stats to support it.. It means nothing..

Otoh, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates, as demonstrated by his teammates lower APG and PPG.. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, which is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill MJ needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.. MJ could've been a ball-dominant, low-assisted player that achieved stats at the expense of teammates too - but then he wouldn't be 6/6.

[aj1987]

I keep posting completely irrelevant horseshit.
Agreed. :cheers:

[Alamо]

God no

[Paul George 24]

Your Spurs? You're a Turkish Paul George stan, heh.
U ALWAYS WRONG