Curry is REAL nice but....

[Real14]

Would he survive against defensive teams like 04-08 pistons, bad boy pistons, and 90s knicks? He has great handle and tricks but I believe by dealing with those defensive teams he wouldn't move so freely around them. Especially going inside the lane cuz he would get knocked down easily and would be afraid to go inside that much.

I understand he could just hang outside tha 3 point line but what if he goes against a dumars type player almost every night? How u think he would do against those very tough defensive teams? Will he still thrive in tha 80s and 90s era too?:confusedshrug:

[Foster5k]

Reggie Miller 1.5

[Real14]

Reggie Miller 1.5

Yea but a shorter Reggie tho.

[inclinerator]

he'd do fine if his team could continue to set illegal picks

[stalkerforlife]

He would dominate any era.

He doesn't even need space to hit shots and he's superbly crafty with his dribble.

[JtotheIzzo]

He'd be fine, if things got real hairy they would just aign a Charles Oakley type to play the hockey goon/enforcer role

[Milbuck]

People just need to accept that Curry is really, really f*cking good and would kill it in any era. He's a weapon unlike anything we've ever seen before and we need to stop trying to downplay what he's doing.

Kobe got shat on by the 04 Pistons defense, dude legitimately had a case as FMVP for the Pistons... Lebron sucked dick against the 08 Celtics, got held to 17 ppg on 19% shooting with 8.5 turnovers a game in the first 2 games of their series.

All time great defenses can give even the greatest players trouble. Even MJ has had less than stellar games/series against tough defenses, like the Knicks.

[Marchesk]

So basically current Curry is like Jerry West with a 3pt shot and minus a FMVP.

Offensively speaking.

[Fire Colangelo]

So basically current Curry is like Jerry West with a 3pt shot and minus a FMVP.

Offensively speaking.

Curry is a way better shooter than Jerry West.... In literally every way.

[Marchesk]

Curry is a way better shooter than Jerry West.... In literally every way.

No he's not. There was no 3 point line for guys like West to take advantage of. There wasn't the kind of spacing you have today. It was a high paced, lower FG% league dominated by bigs.

But regardless, West was the better overall player. He was good defensively. And his finals performances rank up there with MJs.

[swagga]

No he's not. There was no 3 point line for guys like West to take advantage of. There wasn't the kind of spacing you have today. It was a high paced, lower FG% league dominated by bigs.

But regardless, West was the better overall player. He was good defensively. And his finals performances rank up there with MJs.

the difference between curry and jerry west is that west could also do it in the finals, against a superior team.

Curry might be the goat shooter for the regular season tho.

[plowking]

the difference between curry and jerry west is that west could also do it in the finals, against a superior team.

Curry might be the goat shooter for the regular season tho.

Curry put up 26ppg and 6apg in the finals.

All while shooting 44% from the field and 39% from the 3 point line... This including a 2/15 game from beyond the arc. So literally an anomaly/outlier kept him from his regular shooting numbers. Outside of that 2/15 game, he shoots 46% from 3 point land the rest of that series.

[NZStreetBaller]

Why is everyone searching for a flaw in currys game at the moment??

[TheReturn]

First of all, do you really think teams don't try to rough up Curry right now?
Secondly, do you think average team defense hasn't evolved/gotten better over time?

His handle is too good, his release is too quick, he can do it 1 on 1, he's great at moving off the ball.. Basically I believe he'd be effective in any era.

[Gileraracer]

All todays stars would be in trouble as soon as they face 80s/90s defense.

Mainly because it was way more physical. It's not just Curry

[keep-itreal]

First of all, do you really think teams don't try to rough up Curry right now?
Secondly, do you think average team defense hasn't evolved/gotten better over time?

His handle is too good, his release is too quick, he can do it 1 on 1, he's great at moving off the ball.. Basically I believe he'd be effective in any era.

lmao, you can't even touch the offense player without getting called a foul under todays rules

[JohnFreeman]

Curry is white.

[Clifton]

Curry gets absolutely manhandled. There isn't a shot he makes where he doesn't get knocked down. Never gets more than 2 open shots in a game.

I don't know if the Warriors would be hanging 120 on those Pistons... but Curry would get his 20-25.

[Clifton]

lmao, you can't even touch the offense player without getting called a foul under todays rules
Curry is fouled on almost every jumpshot. You're not allowed to touch a player until he comes down after his release.

Granted, most players are fouled on most of their jumpers, especially 3s, and they're seldom called. But Curry will have 2 guys jumping right at him invading his space. Makes it anyway.

[TheReturn]

lmao, you can't even touch the offense player without getting called a foul under todays rules
Firstly, like other posters pointed out, he does get fouled a lot where he doesn't get a whistle. Secondly, you're assuming the only time to rough someone up is when they have the ball?

[r0drig0lac]

he'd do fine if his team could continue to set illegal picks
this

[pauk]

All todays stars would be in trouble as soon as they face 80s/90s defense.

Mainly because it was way more physical. It's not just Curry

There wasnt just better defensive teams but most importantly it was extremly physical back then, with the handchecking + the ease of fouls, fines (trashtalking, fighting, dirty play consequences) it was a devastating combination which makes 80s/early 90s all time high physical, the shit that went on during games back then would end up guaranteed in fines/ejections/suspensions/technicals/players getting fouled out today... a guy like Steph Curry would turn into a Mark Price or Mahmoud Abdul Rauf or something, which is not bad but worse than what he can do today... you just couldnt do equally much of dancing with the dribble while moving around freely in the teeth of the defense without contact to then settle nicely into a comfortable jumpshot of the dribble like Steph does today, trust me....

Somebody like Lebron i think would fit right in though, maybe even to his advantage (on both ends).

[Gileraracer]

Somebody like Lebron i think would fit right in though, maybe even to his advantage (on both ends).

You must be joking. Lebron complains a lot in todays game with virtually no physicality and flops as soon as somebody touches him and you want to tell me he would fit in the 90s? :facepalm

[imdaman99]

Curry will burn out if he keeps this pace up all regular season. Happened to Durant in '14. Kerr was not holding Curry back, he was conserving him for the playoffs and it worked because they won it all. Also had a great team game. Time will tell though, obviously.

[Sakkreth]

He doesn't like contact, if you trap him he sucks. Be physical vs him and he sucks, problem is there isn't many physical guards that can keep up with him, he's very hard to defend but someone like payton would make him cry.

[Dragonyeuw]

Why do we even have these conversations about what player X would do in eras other than his own? End of the day, players adapt to the situations they're placed in, and the creme will rise to the top. Curry is a better shooter than just about anyone we've ever seen, combined with his handles there's never been a player with that combo to this level. He's going to be great in any era, even if we play this silly little game of taking him as is and putting him in the 80's/90's. Really, why would he be any worse than a Mark Price, for example? He's better as both a shooter and ball-handler, and Price was one of the top PGs in the early 90's. If you want to call him a more lethal Price back in 1992, ok sure. That would probably make him the top PG if you take Price's game and amp it up a few notches.

[Wally450]

Not too big a fan of Curry, but he's dominating this season. The 3 is falling at a good clip and he can dribble out of double teams and find an open player.

Tough to stop a guy when he can beat you in multiple ways. He does have an amazing supporting cast to go along with it.

[pauk]

You must be joking. Lebron complains a lot in todays game with virtually no physicality and flops as soon as somebody touches him and you want to tell me he would fit in the 90s? :facepalm

Complains, yes, but only/mostly when he does its often from what ive seen rightfully so... at his size+athleticism (at the perimeter) everybody is weaker/smaller who guards him, they get away with alot, the physicality Lebron recieves from them would be visible fouls on somebody like Steph Curry, not Lebron... but they are still fouls, Lebron never used to try sell them / draw them until 2011 (his flop attempt year), he tried it and it didnt work either, he sucked at it... that is the first & last time he did it.

...and neither of these two points suit your remark anyways.... the complaining you speak of for example would not exist from him considering the rules / era of the 80s/early90s, today he complains about the physicality (players getting away with fouls on him) not because he doesnt want it or cant take it.... but because of the rules.... Today he cant just walk away with just a smile after somebody fouls him & he doesnt get the call knowing the physicality / rules doesnt actually allow it.... but in the 80s/90s it all was very normal.

One more thing, Lebron in the 80s/early90s would also be able to deliver punishment himself... think about his off hand / strength he would exploit on defenders when he drives to counter the handcheck/physicality (thats a foul today, not a foul in the 80s/early90s, what? You didnt think an offensive player could be physical himself / counter the defense?) and how about defense? Oh my.... no way you are getting around him if he is able to use his hands.

Lebron would be perfectly fine in the 80s/early90s and like i said... would not be surprised maybe even better, like ALL 80s/early90s legends have agreed upon including all the "Bad Boys" (excluding Dennis Rodman lol). That i think is/was the perfect time for Lebrons abilities.....

[Sarcastic]

Curry was getting shut down by Mathew Dellavadova. The all time defensive teams would destroy him. He's benefitted by this soft league more than anyone maybe ever.

[Gileraracer]

Curry was getting shut down by Mathew Dellavadova. The all time defensive teams would destroy him. He's benefitted by this soft league more than anyone maybe ever.

28.3PPG on .456 / .442


What a shutdown :biggums:

[OnFire]

All todays stars would be in trouble as soon as they face 80s/90s defense.

Mainly because it was way more physical. It's not just Curry

This is like the mma forum argument of MMA fighter X couldnt beat X streat fighter because they are used to no rules.

[Wade's Rings]

The Finals showed when you play him physically he struggles a lot more.

[Sarcastic]

28.3PPG on .456 / .442


What a shutdown :biggums:

It was 26ppg and it was largely empty points except for maybe a game or two, which is why he got 0 FMVP votes.

[theaussieguy]

No he's not. There was no 3 point line for guys like West to take advantage of. There wasn't the kind of spacing you have today. It was a high paced, lower FG% league dominated by bigs.

But regardless, West was the better overall player. He was good defensively. And his finals performances rank up there with MJs.

Jerry west couldnt make it in todays league. srs

[Sarcastic]

Jerry west couldnt make it in todays league. srs

Mathew Dellavadova can make it but Jerry West can't?

:coleman:

[Showtime80']

This is exactly what the league wanted when they started tinkering with the rules in the early 90's, a soft perimeter (euro friendly) superstar protected league.

Basically the league put in flagrant foul rules, took out hand checking, put in a pseudo zone which rarely anybody uses with a 3 second time limit for defensive players to stay in the paint combining that with the diminishing skills for inside players and voil

[Kvnzhangyay]

[QUOTE=Showtime80']This is exactly what the league wanted when they started tinkering with the rules in the early 90's, a soft perimeter (euro friendly) superstar protected league.

Basically the league put in flagrant foul rules, took out hand checking, put in a pseudo zone which rarely anybody uses with a 3 second time limit for defensive players to stay in the paint combining that with the diminishing skills for inside players and voil

[Sarcastic]

I doubt it, considering the very little emphasis on guarding three point shooters

Of course they did. Reggie Miller would have to run thru 3 screens to get open.

[kwajo]

Dell Curry with better handles.

[alanLA92]

Dell Curry with better handles.

Clearly he got the ball handling from his mom. :cheers:

[TemporaMutantur]

Clearly he got the ball handling from his mom. :cheers:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

[Kvnzhangyay]

Of course they did. Reggie Miller would have to run thru 3 screens to get open.

That's because Miller was receiving the pass; Curry often times brings the ball up :confusedshrug:

If I recall in the 90's they didn't really double or triple on ball handlers; they usually reserved that for off-ball players/plays

[r0drig0lac]

Clearly he got the ball handling from his mom. :cheers:
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[Fire Colangelo]

No he's not. There was no 3 point line for guys like West to take advantage of. There wasn't the kind of spacing you have today. It was a high paced, lower FG% league dominated by bigs.

But regardless, West was the better overall player. He was good defensively. And his finals performances rank up there with MJs.

So you expect me to believe Jerry West, who's never averaged 90% on the free throw line once in his career is a better shooter than Steph Curry?

Look at all the greatest shooters in the history of the league:

Curry: 90.1% career FT shooter
Ray Allen: 89.4% career FT shooter
Nash: 90.4% career FT shooter
Dirk: 87.9% career FT shooter
Reggie Miller: 88.8% career FT shooter
Kyle Korver: 88.2% career FT shooter
Durant: 88.1% career FT shooter
Peja Stojakovic: 89.5% career FT shooter


Jerry West: 82% career FT shooter, with 0 seasons above 90%

And you expect me to believe that he's a better shooter than Curry of all people? Did the FT line get closer or something? Because I can't think of one elite shooter than didn't have at least one season averaging 90% from the line.

I do respect your opinion because you obviously know a lot more than I do about the history of the game, but I feel like you're just pulling stuff out from your *** on this one.

And it's not like Curry only shoots wide open 3's either, he shoots 3's in traffic like nobody's business.

Idk man, you just can't expect me to believe that somebody who's never averaged 90% at the line is a better shooter than Steph Curry.

[Bless Mathews]

So basically current Curry is like Jerry West with a 3pt shot and minus a FMVP.

Offensively speaking.

What a clown.

Curry's release is instantaneous.

And range is half court in.

What a FUCCIN idiot.

[atljonesbro]

Nothing can stop Curry. No one has ever seen a player like him and defending his offensive style is probably one of the toughest guards in NBA history

[3ball]

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Today's player enjoys hands-off defense with tons of room between him and defender for easier jumpshooting:


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But in previous eras, Curry would face hand-checking and NO space between him and the defender, plus higher physicality:


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Previous eras didn't only have hand-checking and more physical defenses, but some eras didn't even have a 3-point line!!!!!

In eras that didn't have the 3-point line (like the 70's), Curry goes from taking 10+ high efficiency three-pointers per game to taking 10+ low efficiency, long two's every game - Curry is just lucky the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player... But long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player without the line.

Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested in the 70's, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

In the 70's, short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

[Replay32]

Curry is REAL nice. There is no "but". What we are seeing is an all time great basketball player with a skill set at his size never seen before. We should enjoy it.

He's basically mastered his game and the game of basketball. He's in his prime. It doesn't matter what era he plays in. If you drop current Steph Curry in any era he will give opposing teams the business more often than not. Same with Kobe, KD, Westbrook, Duncan, Lebron, ect. Our eyes are not fooling us. He's just that freaking good.

[Real14]

Curry is REAL nice. There is no "but". What we are seeing is an all time great basketball player with a skill set at his size never seen before. We should enjoy it.

He's basically mastered his game and the game of basketball. He's in his prime. It doesn't matter what era he plays in. If you drop current Steph Curry in any era he will give opposing teams the business more often than not. Same with Kobe, KD, Westbrook, Duncan, Lebron, ect. Our eyes are not fooling us. He's just that freaking good.

Curry would get destroyed in tha 80s and 90s bro just like 3 ball said.

[Replay32]

Curry would get destroyed in tha 80s and 90s bro just like 3 ball said.

"Destroyed"

:roll: :roll:

Ok buddy. :rolleyes:

[oarabbus]

Curry would get destroyed in tha 80s and 90s bro just like 3 ball said.


You can believe that all you like but it's 2015 bro sorry

[Real14]

"Destroyed"

:roll: :roll:

Ok buddy. :rolleyes:

bad boy pistons would make that niguh cry:lol

[BoutPractice]

Curry is not a great example of a player who would suffer under any particular kind of defense...

His entire playing style revolves around not caring about the defense. He'll shoot it from anywhere, against anyone, in almost any situation.