Confessions Of A Prison Rape Victim

[gigantes]

i saw this just now on caveman circus. the guy is an engineer and seemingly regular dude all around, then one day a friend who he supplied with free weed blabbed, and his life was screwed. jesus shitmas, batmang.


http://i.imgur.com/1wLUsA2.jpg



What were you incarcerated for?

Marijuana possession. Serving 18 months



Wow, possessing marijuana gets you locked up with the same kind of people that rape people. Unbelievable. How much did you get caught with?

I got busted because I had a small grow set-up that supplied a few friends. I was a tinkerer (I

[~primetime~]

Part of me thinks something needs to be done about this, we need to separate the rapists from the non-rapists in jail. But another part of me thinks that stories like this is what ultimately terrifies US citizens about prison and that keeps us all in check. These stories can be seen as a good thing in that people SHOULD be scared to death of prison.

[Dresta]

Yeah, this sort of thing is disgraceful. You'd think they'd put such minor offenders in far less f*cked up places.

[~primetime~]

Chemical castration should be required for anyone who has raped in prison. It is temporary, and removes all sexual urges.

Seems like a decent 'fix' to this issue to me...

[West-Side]

It's pathetic that you go to jail for years for raping a civilian but get absolutely no punishment for raping other cellmates in prison.

Our world truly is ****ed up.
I thought you go to jail to "rehabilitate".

[HenryGarfunkle]

be honest op, you became jealous after reading this.

:crazysam:



after all...

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[~primetime~]

It's pathetic that you go to jail for years for raping a civilian but get absolutely no punishment for raping other cellmates in prison.

Our world truly is ****ed up.
I thought you go to jail to "rehabilitate".
No

You go to jail as punishment for your actions (justice), and to keep you separated from society because you are a threat to society.

I don't think you are supposed to view prison as a place to get better.

[West-Side]

No

You go to jail as punishment for your actions (justice), and to keep you separated from society because you are a threat to society.

I don't think you are supposed to view prison as a place to get better.


Having worked in prisons and with young offenders for 20 years i hope to offer something of value to your important question Tate.
Most of the people in prisons have mental health issues and have probably been abused during their childhood. They have grown up in low socio economic groups, been exposed to drug use from an early age, and often come from a family where the offending is intergenerational. Often they have dropped out of school early because they have learning difficulties like ADHD and poor impulse control (which means they have trouble inhibiting acting on ideas that come into their minds like "steal that car" Often these people are unable to think of the consequences like you and I might.
So given these set of circumstances, we have a problem. Society wishes for protection from angry violent people and people who might steal there things. For millenia the idea of bannishment has been the answer - send them away from the group. Bannishment is prison. Good simple idea. Problem solved. But not really. Just swept under the carpet. For a little while. These people will return to society with lower prospects of finding work/income, often homeless and with increased mental health issues. Problem not solved - problem worse.
I have experienced the prison culture and it is the prisoners culture/ mind set that dominaes the environment. Wardens watch on whilst toxic ideas, disrespect, and intimidation flourish. There is education available for those who are motivated but usually education is a low priority because of the dollars and teaching methods may not cater to those with learning difficulties.

As you know i work with a program called U-Turn which looks to change thinking and anti social behaviours whilst teaching skills that could be used in the workforce. This is part of an idea called restorative justice and these principles are very good at repairing harm and changing thinking and actions.

Think outside the box buddy.

[ISHGoat]

Violent criminals should just be shipped to Mexico. Problem solved

[~primetime~]

Think outside the box buddy.
Not saying that rehabilitate wouldn't be a good thing...I'm just saying the primary role of prison is punishment and to protect the rest of society from the prisoner. It isn't supposed to be viewed as a mental institution where people are being treated, it's supposed to be viewed as a place where criminals are locked away in cells.

[UK2K]

You would think experiences like this would make you want to AVOID prison, but the truth is...

Some people just DGAF and prefer it in prison where they have 'status'. No job, no work, free food and clothes, TV, unlimited free time.

[STATUTORY]

You would think experiences like this would make you want to AVOID prison, but the truth is...

Some people just DGAF and prefer it in prison where they have 'status'. No job, no work, free food and clothes, TV, unlimited free time.

that's what you took away from this story? :facepalm

[Dresta]

No

You go to jail as punishment for your actions (justice), and to keep you separated from society because you are a threat to society.

I don't think you are supposed to view prison as a place to get better.
I agree with this, but have a sense of proportion. You should not be condemning non-violent offenders to cohabitation with the refuse of the earth. Shoving the easily rehabilitatable in with some of the most depraved people imaginable is a crime in itself really. It's a good way to taint and darken a person's soul, and an effective means of rendering a reasonably functioning and law-abiding citizen into an animal.

[~primetime~]

I agree with this, but have a sense of proportion. You should not be condemning non-violent offenders to cohabitation with the refuse of the earth. Shoving the easily rehabilitatable in with some of the most depraved people imaginable is a crime in itself really. It's a good way to taint and darken a person's soul, and an effective means of rendering a reasonably functioning and law-abiding citizen into an animal.
yes obviously a pot dealer doesn't deserve repeated rape, that is a crime in itself. Separation of criminal types should be in place, and honestly it doesn't -seem- like it would be that difficult. Most prisons are huge places, just devote one 'sector' to those who committed violent crimes and one sector to non-violent criminals like pot dealers. Let the rapists rape each other all day and the pot dealers can spend their time complaining about pot laws.

[Nick Young]

Part of me thinks something needs to be done about this, we need to separate the rapists from the non-rapists in jail. But another part of me thinks that stories like this is what ultimately terrifies US citizens about prison and that keeps us all in check. These stories can be seen as a good thing in that people SHOULD be scared to death of prison.
that's retarded.

[BasedTom]

shit is ****ed up

[BasedTom]

Part of me thinks something needs to be done about this, we need to separate the rapists from the non-rapists in jail. But another part of me thinks that stories like this is what ultimately terrifies US citizens about prison and that keeps us all in check. These stories can be seen as a good thing in that people SHOULD be scared to death of prison.
lol just the regular people get screwed over. the real scum could give a fck about prison.

either go all the way with instilling fear in people (and in a roundabout way, enforcing against rape and shit like this) or don't waste resources happily throwing benign people into that environment

[iamgine]

You would think experiences like this would make you want to AVOID prison, but the truth is...

Some people just DGAF and prefer it in prison where they have 'status'. No job, no work, free food and clothes, TV, unlimited free time.
Free regular sex too.

[~primetime~]

lol just the regular people get screwed over. the real scum could give a fck about prison.
You mean non-violent criminals get screwed over? 'Regular people' don't break the law.

If prison was a vacation resort no one would fear breaking the law. Perhaps right now it is 'too scary' lol, but I do feel like the general public should fear prison. I also think that is why there is no rush by the gov to fix this issue, they like the fact that US prisons are viewed as Hell on Earth.

[Dresta]

yes obviously a pot dealer doesn't deserve repeated rape, that is a crime in itself. Separation of criminal types should be in place, and honestly it doesn't -seem- like it would be that difficult. Most prisons are huge places, just devote one 'sector' to those who committed violent crimes and one sector to non-violent criminals like pot dealers. Let the rapists rape each other all day and the pot dealers can spend their time complaining about pot laws.
Sounds fair enough.

[BasedTom]

You mean non-violent criminals get screwed over? 'Regular people' don't break the law.

If prison was a vacation resort no one would fear breaking the law. Perhaps right now it is 'too scary' lol, but I do feel like the general public should fear prison. I also think that is why there is no rush by the gov to fix this issue, they like the fact that US prisons are viewed as Hell on Earth.
possession of drugs? Yes something as arbitrary as that is broken every single day, to the point where many people don't even consider the possibility of getting in trouble for it until it actually happens to them. And if someone accuses you of something, even if in the end you're "exonerated" you're still thrown to the wolves and forced to waste considerable time and money fighting it.

Your second paragraph just leads into what I'm saying. For the true scum, prison basically is a resort. It's their element, nearly a rite of passage. They know they can fck around and get away with it. And who suffers for it?

US prisons aren't viewed as hell on earth...otherwise you wouldn't have rappers and the like bragging about going to it. Otherwise you wouldn't have gangs and protection services operating from within. If it were truly made a hell on earth they wouldn't have the legs to stand on.

[nathanjizzle]

damn, good information to know. If you ever go to prison, hire protection right away.

[~primetime~]

possession of drugs? Yes something as arbitrary as that is broken every single day, to the point where many people don't even consider the possibility of getting in trouble for it until it actually happens to them. And if someone accuses you of something, even if in the end you're "exonerated" you're still thrown to the wolves and forced to waste considerable time and money fighting it.

The guy in the OP was distributing pot, and one of the guys he supposedly supplied for free ratted him out. It wasn't like he was some regular Joe who was pulled over smoking a joint.

Most possession offenses don't result in hard time unless the amount is so large it is considered intent to sell, or if the person has priors.

[Lebron23]

damn, good information to know. If you ever go to prison, hire protection right away.


Just like in American History X. That's why he joined the Aryan Brotherhood.

[BasedTom]

The guy in the OP was distributing pot, and one of the guys he supposedly supplied for free ratted him out. It wasn't like he was some regular Joe who was pulled over smoking a joint.

Most possession offenses don't result in hard time unless the amount is so large it is considered intent to sell, or if the person has priors.
well if the story is accurate, it seemed mostly like a personal thing for him and his friends...not exactly a mass scale drug trafficking operation

weed is such a harmless thing that it baffles me that you would ruin lives over it

[~primetime~]

well if the story is accurate, it seemed mostly like a personal thing for him and his friends...not exactly a mass scale drug trafficking operation

weed is such a harmless thing that it baffles me that you would ruin lives over it
I assumed one of the guys he supplied got arrested and ratted him out to the police as a drug dealer in a plea deal.

I agree selling pot shouldn't result in this...

[Bosnian Sajo]

damn, good information to know. If you ever go to prison, hire protection right away.


Forreal, 500/month is completely worth being safe without having to get your own hands dirty and possibly stay in jail longer.

I hate that prison is so racially segregated, I get along better with black people, but now all of a sudden I have to be part of a racist skin head group just because the black people won't take me in?

[Bosnian Sajo]

I assumed one of the guys he supplied got arrested and ratted him out to the police as a drug dealer in a plea deal.

I agree selling pot shouldn't result in this...

HE WASN'T SELLING IT, READ DUDE. :facepalm

[~primetime~]

HE WASN'T SELLING IT, READ DUDE. :facepalm
just says -

the guy is an engineer and seemingly regular dude all around, then one day a friend who he supplied with free weed blabbed


edit...okay

I never sold anything. I got caught because a friend of a friend claimed I was some major league dealer. My house was raided and they found all 10 of my plants.

'10 plants' is probably 'intent to sell' by law

[Dresta]

possession of drugs? Yes something as arbitrary as that is broken every single day, to the point where many people don't even consider the possibility of getting in trouble for it until it actually happens to them. And if someone accuses you of something, even if in the end you're "exonerated" you're still thrown to the wolves and forced to waste considerable time and money fighting it.

Your second paragraph just leads into what I'm saying. For the true scum, prison basically is a resort. It's their element, nearly a rite of passage. They know they can fck around and get away with it. And who suffers for it?

US prisons aren't viewed as hell on earth...otherwise you wouldn't have rappers and the like bragging about going to it. Otherwise you wouldn't have gangs and protection services operating from within. If it were truly made a hell on earth they wouldn't have the legs to stand on.
US prisons are hell on earth for the petty criminals like the aforementioned, who can't defend themselves, and are generally treated like property; but for the gangsters, murderers, rapists and such, the career criminals, it's often a playground with no rules but their own. It rewards barbarity: no prison system should do that.

[Levity]

'10 plants' is probably 'intent to sell' by law

yeah, most likely. in California, i think youre allowed to have 4 plants if you have your license. and im sure were one of the more lenient states when it comes to growing

[oarabbus]

yeah, most likely. in California, i think youre allowed to have 4 plants if you have your license. and im sure were one of the more lenient states when it comes to growing

Yep. Isn't it weird, if you're in CO you can go to a store and buy marijuana to smoke with cash money.

Find yourself a couple hundred miles east and you go to jail and get raped in prison dozens of times :wtf:

That story is really messed up.

[warriorfan]

op reads about guys getting raped

[DonDadda59]

Just like in American History X. That's why he joined the Aryan Brotherhood.

Then the Aryans turned around and f*cked him... literally :crazysam:

[LikeMike]

Note to self: Hire protection immediately.

[iamgine]

It really is baffling that they don't categorize crimes and just mix everybody inside.

Won't categorizing system easy to implement and make a lot of sense?

[gigantes]

from what i understand they DO categorise by crime... problem is, it's to meet the needs of the system and not the prisoners.

county jail... state prison... federal prison... high-security prison are some different options.

with all the (mostly conservative) BS of "the war on drugs" and "being tough on crime," it seems to me that there is a widespread perception in the US that the convicted are evil-doers, and that evil-doers don't deserve rights. compared to, say... nordic countries where being in prison is like being on vacation. because their cultures actually do have an interest in rehabilitation.

also, with more and more prisons being privately contracted, getting 'customers' has become a pretty big business at this point, and any strong business will use lobbying and other methods to become protected (and encouraged) at the political level.

so yeah... i blame the puritans.

[Draz]

Gay guy rapes, goes to prison only to rape for free whoever he wants

Win/win

[Draz]

Note to self: Hire protection immediately.
Doesn't work like that. They let you feel how much protection is valued then jack up process to where it's mandatory