Steph Curry will be player of the decade. not Lebron

[kennethgriffin]

2011 - Rose MVP, Dirk finals MVP ( Lebron epic choke )
2012 - Lebron MVP, Lebron FMVP - lockout
2013 - Lebron MVP, Ray Allen FMVP
2014 - Durant MVP, Kawhi FMVP
2015 - Curry MVP, iggy FMVP
2016 - Curry MVP, Curry FMVP
2017 - Curry MVP, Curry FMVP
2018 - Davis MVP, Westbrook FMVP
2019 - Westbrook MVP, Durant FMVP
2020 - Wiggins MVP, Davis FMVP


this is how i see the decade playing out.


currys next 2-3 years will give him the best resume of the decade IMO




60s

https://blog-blogmediainc.netdna-ssl.com/upload/SportsBlogcom/1264668/0893163001421785386_filepicker.jpg

70s

https://nbaat90s.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abdul-jabbar.jpg

80s

http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509261001/1000509261001_1432190081001_Bio-Biography-Magic-Johnson-SF.jpg

90s

http://www.chicagonow.com/through-an-irishmans-eyes/files/2013/05/Michael-Jordan.jpg

00s

http://cdn.betches.com/sites/default/files/article/list/images/kobe2.jpg

10s

https://41.media.tumblr.com/528e505f4e39556264bcfbe7e53d902e/tumblr_nq41vkvTLo1qem99po1_1280.jpg

[ShawkFactory]

Who cares dude? Lebron's peak happened to fall between 2 decades.

Just because he didn't have the "forture" to have his career line up perfectly in one decade like Kobe doesn't mean anything.

[Hey Yo]

How can Kobe be 00's when he was the teams 1st option for only 5 of the 10yrs and lost in the first round in b2b years in that 5yr span?

[West-Side]

Daymn, Bron taking another L!

2/7

[Mass Debator]

Top 6 GOAT players right there :applause:

[West-Side]

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/kobe-dunk-on-lebron.jpg

LeBron should just change his jersey # to 7.

[West-Side]

How can Kobe be 00's when he was the teams 1st option for only 5 of the 10yrs and lost in the first round in b2b years in that 5yr span?

He was consistently a top 5 player that's why.
He also won 4 rings, more than anyone else.

This has already been established, everyone knows Kobe is the POTD.

Duncan started to decline around 2008.
Shaq played 6 years in the 90's.
LeBron started late.

Kobe, the winner. :bowdown:

[StephHamann]

Who cares dude? Lebron's peak happened to fall between 2 decades.

Just because he didn't have the "forture" to have his career line up perfectly in one decade like Kobe doesn't mean anything.

Jordan's real prime was in the 80s, and he is still the 90s GOAT

:applause:

[stalkerforlife]

kenneth is too strong.

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/alg-kobe-celebration-jpg.jpg

[Hey Yo]

:oldlol: @ not being the best player on your team for 5 years..... yet referred to as POTD

[kennethgriffin]

How can Kobe be 00's when he was the teams 1st option for only 5 of the 10yrs and lost in the first round in b2b years in that 5yr span?


because he won all the POTD awards regardless of the biased opinions associated with yours or mine. which were all voted upon by the same people whom annointed lebron league mvp on 4 separate occasions to which his fans cherish ever so greatly

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan's real prime was in the 80s, and he is still the 90s GOAT

:applause:
:biggums:

Even if that were true, Jordan's the GOAT anyway so it's not really relevant.

[Papaya Petee]

Ray Allen hits 1 three pointer and hes FMVP lol.

Youre a ****** like no other

[Eye Test]

:oldlol: @ not being the best player on your team for 5 years..... yet referred to as POTD

Duncan hasn't been for like 8 years, and he didn't rupture his achilles

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Ray Allen hits 1 three pointer and hes FMVP lol.

Youre a ****** like no other

make or break end all be all suck a dick ******

[Eye Test]

I agree with everyone in this list. It perfectly portrays each decade :applause:

[Orlando Magic]

make or break end all be all suck a dick ******

Go the **** away, ******.

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan hasn't been for like 8 years, and he didn't rupture his achilles

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


seriously. atleast kobe was only 2nd best to prime shaq


duncan has been 2nd best to guys like tony parker for the last 8-9 years


he lost finals mvp to the midget when he was only 30. theoretically his prime

[kennethgriffin]

Go the **** away, ******.


the show goes on

[Papaya Petee]

make or break end all be all suck a dick ******
Ok cool you little ****

2009- Fisher hits 3 to send game into OT vs Magic in game 4

2009 Fisher FMVP

2010 Ron Artest hits 3 vs Celtics game 7

Ron Artest FMVP

Kobe 0 FMVP.

[kennethgriffin]

Ok cool you little ****

2009- Fisher hits 3 to send game into OT vs Magic in game 4

2009 Fisher FMVP

2010 Ron Artest hits 3 vs Celtics game 7

Ron Artest FMVP

Kobe 0 FMVP.


none of these are make or break


just big shots.

try again

elimination shot = make or break end all be all


ray allen = 2013 FMVP

[HurricaneKid]

Jordan's real prime was in the 80s, and he is still the 90s GOAT

:applause:

0 championships, 1 MVP, 0 FMVP > 6 Championships, 4 MVPs, 6FMVP, Dream Team, etc

????


Some people... WOW.

[Papaya Petee]

none of these are make or break


just big shots.

try again

elimination shot = make or break end all be all


ray allen = 2013 FMVP

Nope nope Kobe 0 FMVPs
Fisher and Artest hit 3s.

Ron Artest misses 3 Celtics win game 7.

0 FMVP 1 MVP Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

people actually sayin a fisher 3 to send it to OT in a series that ended 4-1 is the same as a shot to tie the game seconds before san antonio was about to celebrate a title


the ignorance of ISH f*ggots never ceases to amaze me

[kennethgriffin]

Nope nope Kobe 0 FMVPs
Fisher and Artest hit 3s.

Ron Artest misses 3 Celtics win game 7.

0 FMVP 1 MVP Kobe

fishers shot was not an end all be all dumby

look up "elimination game" and the definition

:oldlol:


and artests shot wasnt even remotely close to the game winner.

[ShawkFactory]

Nope nope Kobe 0 FMVPs
Fisher and Artest hit 3s.

Ron Artest misses 3 Celtics win game 7.

0 FMVP 1 MVP Kobe
He's trolling dude. Calm down

[Andrei89]

Ok cool you little ****

2009- Fisher hits 3 to send game into OT vs Magic in game 4

2009 Fisher FMVP

2010 Ron Artest hits 3 vs Celtics game 7

Ron Artest FMVP

Kobe 0 FMVP.


This post is so savage.

I am surprised Kenneth still has the audacity to continue the argument.:applause:

[Papaya Petee]

fishers shot was not an end all be all dumby

look up "elimination game" and the definition

:oldlol:


and artests shot wasnt even remotely close to the game winner.

If Horry doesnt hit game winner Lakers get eliminated before the finals.

Kobe 4 rings
And he only averaged 15PPG vs Indiana so Ill give him .6 of a ring

Kobe 3.6 rings 1 MVP 0 FMVPs
Barely top 20

[kennethgriffin]

He's trolling dude. Calm down


yeah sure... me and 2-3 billion other people who share the same opinion


nobody will ever forget that ray allen shot to save lebrons career


:lol



nobody thinks that of kobe

[ShawkFactory]

yeah sure... me and 2-3 billion other people who share the same opinion


nobody will ever forget that ray allen shot to save lebrons career


:lol



nobody thinks that of kobe
like that 4 billion people that live in China? 4 of the worlds six billion people live there I've heard.

[Eye Test]

yeah sure... me and 2-3 billion other people who share the same opinion


nobody will ever forget that ray allen shot to save lebrons career


:lol



nobody thinks that of kobe

BINGO!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Papaya Petee]

This post is so savage.

I am surprised Kenneth still has the audacity to continue the argument.:applause:
Im just gonna spam that idiots logic against him lol

Dude just said 2-3 billion people think Ray Allen saved Lebron.

2-3 billion people watch basketball... :roll:

[Eye Test]

Kennethgriffin RULES this site plain and simple... Him and warriorsfan are on a friken ROLL these days! :applause: The amount of bran stans SOULS they have collected is overwhelming..

[Hey Yo]

Duncan hasn't been for like 8 years, and he didn't rupture his achilles

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
The rupture happened between 00-10?

try to keep up, Kareem.

[kennethgriffin]

If Horry doesnt hit game winner Lakers get eliminated before the finals.

Kobe 4 rings
And he only averaged 15PPG vs Indiana so Ill give him .6 of a ring

Kobe 3.6 rings 1 MVP 0 FMVPs
Barely top 20


sorry dude.. but kobes won 3 playoff games in a row before countless times

that is a possibility



what isnt a possibility is lebron winning a title had the heat lost game 6


you dont understand elimination games do you


youre all speculation. i'm all facts

i can say "well if this happened and that happened then lebron never even makes the nba and nothing counts blah blah"


thats all bullshit. youre bullshit... everyone like you is just deflecting ray allens shot with hypotheticals to somehow compare when NOTHING COMPARES


ray allens shot will go down as the biggest moment in nba history



nobody cares about artests 3 well before the game was even over and a bunch of points were scored after it... or fishers game tieing shot in a locked up series ...


horrys shot was huge. but allot of shots during series are throughout nba history that could swing the series in someones favor. but arent looked at as do or die shots that saved careers


because facts are facts and you have none to back up your argument



not one time in 11 years prior to that ray allen 3 did anyone ever say robert horrys shot won the title for LA.. nobody ever really complained about it


not until they had to deflect their own idols downfalls


so stfu

[Papaya Petee]

Kennethgriffin RULES this site plain and simple... Him and warriorsfan are on a friken ROLL these days! :applause: The amount of bran stans SOULS they have collected is overwhelming..
Curry lost FMVP to Iggy and versed a injured Cleveland team.

.6 Title 0 FMVP

Lebron cruised Durant injured .7 MVP

[West-Side]

The rupture happened between 00-10?

try to keep up, Kareem.

Kobe has been better than Duncan for more years from 01' to 10' though?
That should end the debate.

01' - Kobe
02' - Duncan
03' - Duncan
04' - Duncan
05' - Duncan
06' - Kobe
07' - Kobe
08' - Kobe
09' - Kobe
10' - Kobe

Yawn.

[Eye Test]

The rupture happened between 00-10?

try to keep up, Kareem.

Which Laker player was better than kobe pre-achilles? are you on drugs? :facepalm

[tmacattack33]

Not likely. Steph wasn't a super-star level player until last year, the 2015 NBA season...or maybe the year before that...which is still smack in the middle of the decade.

Lebron's been a super-star each year now, and it doesn't like he'll be stopping any time soon.

What is amazing is that Lebron would also be considered top 10 for the 2000-2010 decade, as he was a top 10-15 player as soon as he played Sacramento on his first game of his career in 2004.

[kennethgriffin]

Im just gonna spam that idiots logic against him lol

Dude just said 2-3 billion people think Ray Allen saved Lebron.

2-3 billion people watch basketball... :roll:

its house hold common knowledge and more than half of those people probably live in china and its part of their school curriculum to learn nba history.. fan of it or not

go up to 100 people on the street and ask who hit the big shot for miami to save the finals.. atleast 70% of them will know the name ray allen even if less than half of them watch ball


all my non nba fan friends know about that shit.

[Papaya Petee]

sorry dude.. but kobes won 3 playoff games in a row before countless times

that is a possibility



what isnt a possibility is lebron winning a title had the heat lost game 6


you dont understand elimination games do you


youre all speculation. i'm all facts

i can say "well if this happened and that happened then lebron never even makes the nba and nothing counts blah blah"


thats all bullshit. youre bullshit... everyone like you is just deflecting ray allens shot with hypotheticals to somehow compare when NOTHING COMPARES


ray allens shot will go down as the biggest moment in nba history



nobody cares about artests 3 well before the game was even over and a bunch of points were scored after it... or fishers game tieing shot in a locked up series ...


horrys shot was huge. but allot of shots during series are throughout nba history that could swing the series in someones favor. but arent looked at as do or die shots that saved careers


because facts are facts and you have none to back up your argument



not one time in 11 years prior to that ray allen 3 did anyone ever say robert horrys shot won the title for LA.. nobody ever really complained about it


not until they had to deflect their own idols downfalls


so stfu

Locked up series :roll: Fisher misses its 2-2 game 5 in Orlando with the Magic having full momentum.
Fisher misses you to back to LA down 2-3

Game 7 isnt an elimination game? Ron Artest misses that 3 youre up 3 Boston scored on the next possession. LA probably loses. Kobe shoots 6/24 they won despite him

3.6 rings in 20 seasons

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has been better than Duncan for more years from 01' to 10' though?
That should end the debate.

01' - Kobe
02' - Duncan
03' - Duncan
04' - Duncan
05' - Duncan
06' - Kobe
07' - Kobe
08' - Kobe
09' - Kobe
10' - Kobe

Yawn.


kobe should be tied with duncan in 2003. if the lakers were healthy all year and horry doesnt shoot 0% in the series. they probably 4-peat and kobes season mvp

[West-Side]

kobe should be tied with duncan in 2003. if the lakers were healthy all year and horry doesnt shoot 0% in the series. they probably 4-peat and kobes season mvp

I agree, it's really a toss-up.
Kobe's most well-rounded season to be honest.

Point being, Kobe > Duncan.

[riseagainst]

Locked up series :roll: Fisher misses its 2-2 game 5 in Orlando with the Magic having full momentum.
Fisher misses you to back to LA down 2-3

Game 7 isnt an elimination game? Ron Artest misses that 3 youre up 3 Boston scored on the next possession. LA probably loses. Kobe shoots 6/24 they won despite him

3.6 rings in 20 seasons

:biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

Locked up series :roll: Fisher misses its 2-2 game 5 in Orlando with the Magic having full momentum.
Fisher misses you to back to LA down 2-3

Game 7 isnt an elimination game? Ron Artest misses that 3 youre up 3 Boston scored on the next possession. LA probably loses. Kobe shoots 6/24 they won despite him

3.6 rings in 20 seasons

teams that win 4-1 in dominant fashion during the elimination game don't end up relying on a big 3 to send it to OT one game out of the 5

the series was basically in LAs hands from game 1.

game 7 is elimination. but that shot was just a big shot.... it was well before the end and 4th dimensionally practically any alternate outcome could have happened from then on

plus the lakers won by 4

1:00 73-79 Ron Artest makes 26-foot three point jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
0:51 Ray Allen makes three point jumper (Rajon Rondo assists) 76-79
0:28 76-79 Kobe Bryant misses 26-foot three point jumper
0:27 76-79 Pau Gasol offensive rebound
0:25 Rasheed Wallace shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul) 76-79
0:25 Glen Davis enters the game for Rasheed Wallace 76-79
0:25 76-80 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
0:25 76-81 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
0:25 Boston 20 Sec. timeout
0:25 Nate Robinson enters the game for Glen Davis 76-81
0:19 Ray Allen misses 26-foot three point jumper 76-81
0:18 Rajon Rondo offensive rebound 76-81
0:16 Rajon Rondo makes 26-foot three point jumper 79-81
0:13 Los Angeles 20 Sec. timeout
0:13 79-81 Sasha Vujacic enters the game for Ron Artest
0:11 Ray Allen personal foul (Sasha Vujacic draws the foul) 79-81
0:11 79-82 Sasha Vujacic makes free throw 1 of 2
0:11 Glen Davis enters the game for Nate Robinson 79-82
0:11 79-83 Sasha Vujacic makes free throw 2 of 2
0:11 Boston 20 Sec. timeout
0:11 79-83 Ron Artest enters the game for Sasha Vujacic
0:11 Nate Robinson enters the game for Glen Davis 79-83
0:04 Rajon Rondo misses 27-foot three point jumper 79-83
0:03 79-83 Pau Gasol defensive rebound
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter
0:00 End Game




you're all failing miserably..

[ShawkFactory]

its house hold common knowledge and more than half of those people probably live in china and its part of their school curriculum to learn nba history.. fan of it or not

go up to 100 people on the street and ask who hit the big shot for miami to save the finals.. atleast 70% of them will know the name ray allen even if less than half of them watch ball


all my non nba fan friends know about that shit.
Just because they know his name doesn't mean they credit him for the entire series.

Only people like you that hate Lebron do. And you guys' opinions on him are about as valid as people like dubeta.

[kennethgriffin]

Just because they know his name doesn't mean they credit him for the entire series.

Only people like you that hate Lebron do. And you guys' opinions on him are about as valid as people like dubeta.


a shit ton of people do though

atleast 10's of millions of hard core fans..

you must atleast accept that as a fact


i know a ton of fellow canadians who couldnt care less about hating on lebron. they all credit ray allen with saving the season

[Hey Yo]

Which Laker player was better than kobe pre-achilles? are you on drugs? :facepalm
Shaq.... until he was traded. Which means Kobe was only the best player/1st option for 5yrs.

Not sure why you're bringing up Duncan when I never mentioned him and Kobe's injuries didn't start happening until after 2010 when he made multiple trips to Germany to have illegal doping done

Like I said, try to keep up Kareem.

[StephHamann]

0 championships, 1 MVP, 0 FMVP > 6 Championships, 4 MVPs, 6FMVP, Dream Team, etc

????


Some people... WOW.



http://i.imgur.com/6q6JUKM.png

[kennethgriffin]

Shaq.... until he was traded. Which means Kobe was only the best player/1st option for 5yrs.

Not sure why you're bringing up Duncan when I never mentioned him and Kobe's injuries didn't start happening until after 2010.

Like I said, try to keep up Kareem.


shaq was better than kobe in 2000

they were practically tied in 2001

shaq was slightly better in 2002

kobe was better in 2003

kobe was better in 2004

kobe was bar none the dominant leader from 2005 onward

[Hey Yo]

shaq was better than kobe in 2000

they were practically tied in 2001

shaq was slightly better in 2002

kobe was better in 2003

kobe was better in 2004

kobe was bar none the dominant leader from 2005 onward
And Shaq was bar none first option, offense runs through him the 5yrs prior.

Let it go Kenny and be happy your boy finished top 15 in his career.

[West-Side]

And Shaq was bar none first option, offense runs through him the 5yrs prior.

Let it go Kenny and be happy your boy finished top 15 in his career.

Okay, but from 2005 to 2010; Shaquille was a far worse 2nd option/3rd option than Kobe was from 01' to 05'.

Another way to look at things.

[rzp]

Who cares dude? Lebron's peak happened to fall between 2 decades.

Just because he didn't have the "forture" to have his career line up perfectly in one decade like Kobe doesn't mean anything.

This... the same happened to Shaq!

[Eye Test]

Shaq.... until he was traded. Which means Kobe was only the best player/1st option for 5yrs.

Not sure why you're bringing up Duncan when I never mentioned him and Kobe's injuries didn't start happening until after 2010 when he made multiple trips to Germany to have illegal doping done

Like I said, try to keep up Kareem.

:oldlol: Kobe was 1b to shaq, duncan has literally been the 3rd option at best for many years now

"Kobe was only the best player/1st option for 5yrs." :lol gtfo w that bs

[West-Side]

This... the same happened to Shaq!

Yep,

1) 94' - 04' Shaq
2) 01' - 10' Kobe
3) 99' - 09' Duncan

I'd have Shaq ahead of both if the decade fell between those years.
Player of the decade is a great award to win but it doesn't mean much without context.

That's why LeBron probably won't win anything because his situation is similar to Shaq's.

[GIF REACTION]

But Kobe will be the only one of them not in majority of top 10's all time

Go figure

[AnaheimLakers24]

Looks like a 5inches and more club. Sorry lehomo, youre short by 2 inches bitch fagggot

[GIF REACTION]

enjoy the ban

[stalkerforlife]

Some people collect coins, cars, memorabilia, etc.

kenneth collects the souls of branvestites.

[Funktion]

KG on Curry: "Like Michael Jordan was a whole other thing, this guy is his own thing. It's beautiful for basketball."

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/kevin-garnett-compares-stephen-curry-to-michael-jordan/

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol, the ironic thing is you can easily use this logic for Kobe

2000: Shaq (16 ppg on 37% in the Finals :lol)
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq/Horry/Rigged series
2010: 6/24, less WS than Gasol

[ShawkFactory]

Lol, the ironic thing is you can easily use this logic for Kobe

2000: Shaq (16 ppg on 37% in the Finals :lol)
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq/Horry/Rigged series
2010: 6/24, less WS than Gasol
You can do that for literally anyone besides Jordan.

[IncarceratedBob]

kobe was clearly the best player of the 2000s. ya'll say he wasnt the first option for 4 years as if its a bad thing. led the decade in points with only half of it as a first option. i mean wow

[FKAri]

I think Curry's going to have even more dominant seasons than you think.

I have corrected your MVP predictions to better align with this more accurate prediction:



2011 - Rose MVP, Dirk finals MVP ( Lebron epic choke )
2012 - Lebron MVP, Lebron FMVP - lockout
2013 - Lebron MVP, Ray Allen FMVP
2014 - Durant MVP, Kawhi FMVP
2015 - Curry MVP, iggy FMVP
2016 - Curry MVP, DrayGod FMVP
2017 - Curry MVP, Klay FMVP
2018 - Curry MVP, Bismack Biyombo FMVP
2019 - Curry MVP, D'Angelo Russell FMVP
2020 - Curry MVP, Lebron Jr. FMVP


this is how i see the decade playing out.

[Springsteen]

Yet another Curry thread by a Kobe cumguzzler. Gee, I wonder why this trend is occurring.

[El Gato Negro]

:roll: wow epic meltdown continues for Kobe stans

[West-Side]

You can do that for literally anyone besides Jordan.

Trust me, I can easily do that for Jordan as well.
Especially picking apart his 96'-98' playoffs.

[AlphaWolf24]

Like the NBA says itself...greatness comes down " acclimation"..or majority opinions.

MJ is the GOAT because most people view him that way....whether it be true or not:confusedshrug:

1980's Magic or Bird had to live through it like I did to fully understand.

1990 MJ = prolly best player at least top 2
1991 MJ
1993 MJ
1994 DNP
1995 Hakeem
1996 MJ
1997 MJ
1998 MJ
1999 DNP

MJ with 6 years as the best player in the 90's

2000 Shaq
2001 Kobe or Shaq....Kobe at least in the top3
2002 Kobe or Shaq...Kobe at least in the top 3
2003 Kobe ,TD
2004 Rape
2005 Kobe , Nash, Kobe at least top 3
2006 Kobe
2007 Kobe ( Bron top 3)
2008 Kobe ( Bron top 3)
2009 Kobe
2010 Kobe ( Bron top 3)

Kobe with 5 - 6 years as clearly the best player....4 more years in top 3...voted and viewed by the majority of the world/acclimation as the greatest player of his generation/2000's



2011 Bron
2012 Bron
2013 Bron/Durant
2014 Durant /Bron ( bran at least in top 3)
2015 Curry/Bron ( bran at least in top 3)



Bron will probably have 6 - 7 years in the top 3.....4 years as clearly the best player....the only problem is ....his career intersects with Kobe's and Curry's....

even in context with Wade!...since it was Lebron who quit on his 63 win team to joins Wade's team....not really a good look when it's all said and done.....as far as how History will look back on his career


100% real talk......and how most fans view Basketball History.

[HurricaneKid]

LeBron has been to the Finals every year of the decade, has 3 MVPs, 2 FMVP, has 38.7 more reg win shares, 18.0 playoff WS (24.4-6.4), etc.

Curry has been majestic for 10 games. However, he had won one single series in the playoffs before last year. He would basically need to be this guy for the next 4 years. Which is one helluva standard.

[HurricaneKid]

[B]Kobe with 5 - 6 years as clearly the best player....4 more years in top 3

What in the actual **** is this?

Things in Kobestan world have really taken a dive haven't they?

[livinglegend]

Should have put a spoilers tag on the title.
You ruined half of a decade of bball for me.:facepalm


:facepalm :facepalm What a delusional loser OP is :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

LeBron has been to the Finals every year of the decade, has 3 MVPs, 2 FMVP, has 38.7 more reg win shares, 18.0 playoff WS (24.4-6.4), etc.

Curry has been majestic for 10 games. However, he had won one single series in the playoffs before last year. He would basically need to be this guy for the next 4 years. Which is one helluva standard.


so what....If MJ went to the Finals 5 X in a row in the 90's and lost to Magic, then Drexler, then beat Hakeem and Barkley.....then lost to Grant Hill or Penny Hardaway....no one would be saying he was player of the 90's...

especially if turns out that Hakeem or Drexler won more titles.

[feyki]

Duncan has the 2000's and Bird has the 80's .

[AlphaWolf24]

What in the actual **** is this?

Things in Kobestan world have really taken a dive haven't they?

Clean off your dusty Space jam goggles....nearly everyone in the world views it like me....aka real basketball fans

2006 - 2010...Kobe was the premiere player in the NBA....2003 Kobe was widely viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA.

that's 5 seasons that Kobe dominated the league and was widely / clearly regarded as the leagues best player.

that's what really happened.....NB4 MVP voting.....no one thought Steve Nash was a better BBALL pleyer then Kobe...GTFO wit that

[Real14]

Duncan has the 2000's and Bird has the 80's .
2000s belong to kobe and magic has tha 80s

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan's real prime was in the 80s, and he is still the 90s GOAT

:applause:

no it wasnt :wtf:

[West-Side]

no it wasnt :wtf:

It kind of was though.
I mean Kobe's peak was 2001 - 2007.
Even though he achieved more from 2008 - 2010 in terms of team success.

Jordan put up his best individual seasons in the 80's, despite not winning.
Same with Kobe from 2005 - 2007. That was Kobe's peak years.

[AlphaWolf24]

Duncan has the 2000's and Bird has the 80's .


http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2084_zps33x9wwf4.jpg

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2085_zps0u4yygeg.jpg


Just like NBA.com said....LBJ was entering his prime....now Lbj is in his prime and Curry is taking over....:confusedshrug:

[feyki]

2000s belong to kobe and magic has tha 80s

00 - Kobe
01 - Kobe
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - Duncan
05 - Duncan
06 - Duncan
07 - Duncan
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe

6 > 5


80 Magic
81 Bird
82 Bird
83 Bird
84 Bird
85 Bird
86 Bird
87 Magic
88 Magic
89 Magic
90 Magic

6 > 5

[West-Side]

00 - Kobe
01 - Kobe
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - Duncan
05 - Duncan
06 - Duncan
07 - Duncan
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe

6 > 5


80 Magic
81 Bird
82 Bird
83 Bird
84 Bird
85 Bird
86 Bird
87 Magic
88 Magic
89 Magic
90 Magic

6 > 5

Can you guys seriously stop saying 06' & 07' Duncan was better than 06' & 07' Kobe.

It's getting ridiculous.
The entire world considered Kobe the very best basketball player in the world.

[feyki]

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2084_zps33x9wwf4.jpg

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2085_zps0u4yygeg.jpg


Just like NBA.com said....LBJ was entering his prime....now Lbj is in his prime and Curry is taking over....:confusedshrug:

Population sheep .d . Get the truth with only yourself .

[AlphaWolf24]

00 - Kobe
01 - Kobe
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - Duncan
05 - Duncan
06 - Duncan
07 - Duncan
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe

6 > 5


80 Magic
81 Bird
82 Bird
83 Bird
84 Bird
85 Bird
86 Bird
87 Magic
88 Magic
89 Magic
90 Magic

6 > 5

not according to Acclimation..

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2084_zps33x9wwf4.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

Population sheep .d . Get the truth with only yourself .


read my user name...

I am the Rain.

Arooooooooooooooooo!

[r15mohd]

2000s belong to kobe and magic has tha 80s

Bird was better...Magic and the Lakers played in a weaker conference than the past few years East. Magic also had the luxury of a superstar-studded team, whereas Bird played with stars, and him being the only superstar. not to mention Magic was a defensive liability.

need to recheck that 80s notion of yours



as for Kobe vs Duncan in the 2000s...it's not a clear cut choice, as both had their peaks and dominance but that's not all you should look at. TD's never failed during any of his seasons throughout his tenure, and that in itself is reason he should get the nod over Kobe IMO. i also see many indicating Kobe's offensive skill was greater than TD's, and granted that's true...but TD's defensive skillset was equal (I'd say even greater) than the gap of offense to what Kobe had over TD

[Eye Test]

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2084_zps33x9wwf4.jpg

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/IMG_2085_zps0u4yygeg.jpg


Just like NBA.com said....LBJ was entering his prime....now Lbj is in his prime and Curry is taking over....:confusedshrug:


RIP lebron fam

[feyki]

Can you guys seriously stop saying 06' & 07' Duncan was better than 06' & 07' Kobe.

It's getting ridiculous.
The entire world considered Kobe the very best basketball player in the world.

Actually it's simple as say "hi" , but you kobe fans don't get it .

2006 playoffs ;

Duncan - 0.252 ws48 , 29.9 Eff

Kobe - 0.09 ws48 ( %9 damn :oldlol: ) , 24.1 Eff


2007 playoffs ;

Duncan - 0.214 ws48 , 27.1 Eff

Kobe - 0.12 ws48 , 24.8 Eff

[AlphaWolf24]

Offense is far more important in the NBA then clogging the lane defensively ( which is what Duncan does)

especially considering Kobe's skillset on offense is doing everything...not just posting up....Kobe runs the triangle, has to close games being the #1 option in Crunchtime as well as create for others ....these have proven to be the most important skillsets in basketball...and Kobe was best at it.

on top of being an elite defender who plays a much more stretched out defensive game then Duncan ever has ( 9X all NBA 1rst team)...Kobe defends the other teams best scorers...Duncan never did that.

no wonder Kobe's teams Owns Duncan's teams in the post season....


recap:....I'm right in my views.....that's why Kobe was widely regarded as the best player of his generation...by fans and most importantly pro players/his peers/ the best basketball players in the world.

No discredit to TD..he is a great player....great lane clogger....but his skillset is least valuable ....we all know it.

[West-Side]

Actually it's simple as say "hi" , but you kobe fans don't get it .

2006 playoffs ;

Duncan - 0.252 ws48 , 29.9 Eff

Kobe - 0.09 ws48 ( %9 damn :oldlol: ) , 24.1 Eff


2007 playoffs ;

Duncan - 0.214 ws48 , 27.1 Eff

Kobe - 0.12 ws48 , 24.8 Eff

Does it have anything to do with the fact that Duncan had a better team and thus advanced further in the playoffs; therefore accumulating a higher WS?

So we'll just use one statistic to discredit Kobe? Even though the entire basketball world (who isn't biased) knew Kobe was in his absolute peak those years and the best basketball player in the world.

Just because Duncan had better seasons in 2006 & 2007 because of having a better team around him doesn't make him better.

[feyki]

Does it have anything to do with the fact that Duncan had a better team and thus advanced further in the playoffs; therefore accumulating a higher WS?

So we'll just use one statistic to discredit Kobe? Even though the entire basketball world (who isn't biased) knew Kobe was in his absolute peak those years and the best basketball player in the world.

Just because Duncan had better seasons in 2006 & 2007 because of having a better team around him doesn't make him better.

Eff,ortg,drtg or all advanced metrics?

And Lakers won %43 of games , Spurs won %54 of games at 2006 playoffs . Team margin 0.11 for ws but Duncan has 0.16 margin over Kobe .

[r15mohd]

Does it have anything to do with the fact that Duncan had a better team and thus advanced further in the playoffs; therefore accumulating a higher WS?

So we'll just use one statistic to discredit Kobe? Even though the entire basketball world (who isn't biased) knew Kobe was in his absolute peak those years and the best basketball player in the world.

Just because Duncan had better seasons in 2006 & 2007 because of having a better team around him doesn't make him better.


let's play devil's advocate on this to disprove your point...2012-13 Lebron or 2008-09 Lebron (or any peak Cavs prior to the Decision)?

which Lebron was better? the Lebron-Cavs had an inferior team to the Lebron-Heat, yet it is widely accepted that the 2012-13 Lebron is the best Lebron we've ever seen. Having a better supporting cast does not diminish anything from TD :rolleyes: :facepalm

the logic you Kobe-stans try to use and make him look better than he is, is :wtf:

[Straight_Ballin]

Who cares dude? Lebron's peak happened to fall between 2 decades.

Just because he didn't have the "forture" to have his career line up perfectly in one decade like Kobe doesn't mean anything.

So you are knocking Curry because he is getting the torch from Kobe? Maybe if the colluding beta didn't only go 2/6, he'd be in the conversation. You just sound salty because Bron was essentially passed over and it's not Curry's fault that he is just coming into his while Kobe is retiring.

[HurricaneKid]

Clean off your dusty Space jam goggles....nearly everyone in the world views it like me....aka real basketball fans

2006 - 2010...Kobe was the premiere player in the NBA....2003 Kobe was widely viewed as the best allaround player in the NBA.

that's 5 seasons that Kobe dominated the league and was widely / clearly regarded as the leagues best player.

that's what really happened.....NB4 MVP voting.....no one thought Steve Nash was a better BBALL pleyer then Kobe...GTFO wit that

Son, I've forgotten more about this game than you have ever known.

During his 3 peak physical years (26-29) he missed the playoffs once and lost in the 1st round twice. He missed the playoffs once and never won a series without Pau or Shaq.

His advanced metrics are well behind his peers (LeBron, Duncan, Shaq, and even Dirk). He was a great player for a lot of years but he was never close to the player you claim.

Better than LeBron in 09? Are you dumb?

[riseagainst]

So you are knocking Curry because he is getting the torch from Kobe? Maybe if the colluding beta didn't only go 2/6, he'd be in the conversation. You just sound salty because Bron was essentially passed over and it's not Curry's fault that he is just coming into his while Kobe is retiring.


dam.....

:lol

[RRR3]

I think Curry's going to have even more dominant seasons than you think.

I have corrected your MVP predictions to better align with this more accurate prediction:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[HurricaneKid]

You just sound salty because Bron was essentially passed over and it's not Curry's fault that he is just coming into his while Kobe is retiring.

Kobe has been irrelevant since Dirk swept him 5 seasons ago.

The only way Curry is taking the torch from Kobe is if Kobe fell over with his torch 5 years ago, set California ablaze (there have been a lot of wildfires) and Curry let his torch from that ash 5 years later. Or the guy who has been to the Finals the last 5 years with multiple MVPs, multiple FMVPs, etc has had the torch. One of those choices is reasonable...

[RRR3]

Kobe has been irrelevant since Dirk swept him 5 seasons ago.

The only way Curry is taking the torch from Kobe is if Kobe fell over with his torch 5 years ago, set California ablaze (there have been a lot of wildfires) and Curry let his torch from that ash 5 years later. Or the guy who has been to the Finals the last 5 years with multiple MVPs, multiple FMVPs, etc has had the torch. One of those choices is reasonable...
Straight fallen' will ignore logic to continue pushing his asinine agenda, though.

[West-Side]

This is retarded.
Kobe's offensive prowess in 2006 & 2007 far outweights any advantage Duncan has on him with his defense.

Kobe was not only a better scorer, he was also a better play-maker.
Using WS;

2006

Kobe - 15.3 (28 PER)
Duncan - 10.8 (23.1 PER)

2007

Kobe - 13.0 (26.1 PER)
Duncan - 13.0 (26.1 PER)

Kobe also had a higher TS% BOTH years, while nearly doubling Duncan's offensive production.

35.4 PPG & 4.5 APG Vs. 18.6 PPG & 3.2 APG
31.6 PPG & 5.4 APG Vs. 20 PPG & 3.4 APG

The only argument you guys keep regurgitating is that Duncan was a better defender and he went further in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

2007 Duncan is at least close to 2007 Kobe; however, 2006 Kobe absolutely shits all over 06' Duncan, not even close.

If we're talking about achievements, than maybe Duncan has a case for 2007 because he did great in the playoffs and won the championship.

But by using that logic, 09' Kobe was better than 09' LeBron but no one thinks that because LeBron put up better #'s.

The double standard is strong here, as usual.

[Straight_Ballin]

Kobe has been irrelevant since Dirk swept him 5 seasons ago.

The only way Curry is taking the torch from Kobe is if Kobe fell over with his torch 5 years ago, set California ablaze (there have been a lot of wildfires) and Curry let his torch from that ash 5 years later. Or the guy who has been to the Finals the last 5 years with multiple MVPs, multiple FMVPs, etc has had the torch. One of those choices is reasonable...

The torch gets passed when the player who previously held it retires. What you don't realize is that since Kobe took the torch from MJ, it was his to keep until retirement. If Lebron is playing at Curry's level when Kobe retires next year, then Lebron has a case. Since we know that isn't going to happen, the torch goes to Curry and it doesn't get passed until Curry retires. Another player could go 5/5 during Curry's tenure but it doesn't mean shit as far as torch passing is concerned UNTIL the man who it was given to retires. That's the way the passing of the torch works. Just because you aren't the best player in the game at a given time doesn't mean you relinquish the torch. It's relinquished upon retirement to whoever is the best player in the game at that time of retirement. Right now, Kobe still has the torch and its unanimous that Curry is next in line.

[RRR3]

The torch gets passed when the player who previously held it retires. What you don't realize is that since Kobe took the torch from MJ, it was his to keep until retirement. If Lebron is playing at Curry's level when Kobe retires next year, then Lebron has a case. Since we know that isn't going to happen, the torch goes to Curry and it doesn't get passed until Curry retires. Another player could go 5/5 during Curry's tenure but it doesn't mean shit as far as torch passing is concerned UNTIL the man who it was given to retires. That's the way the passing of the torch works. Just because you aren't the best player in the game at a given time doesn't mean you relinquish the torch. It's relinquished upon retirement to whoever is the best player in the game at that time of retirement. Right now, Kobe still has the torch and its unanimous that Curry is next in line.
So MJ>Shaq in 2002? Is that what you're saying? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

Kobe has been irrelevant since Dirk swept him 5 seasons ago.

The only way Curry is taking the torch from Kobe is if Kobe fell over with his torch 5 years ago, set California ablaze (there have been a lot of wildfires) and Curry let his torch from that ash 5 years later. Or the guy who has been to the Finals the last 5 years with multiple MVPs, multiple FMVPs, etc has had the torch. One of those choices is reasonable...
Damn.......Straight Ballin on the receiving end.



http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/macho_man_drop.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

It kind of was though.
I mean Kobe's peak was 2001 - 2007.
Even though he achieved more from 2008 - 2010 in terms of team success.

Jordan put up his best individual seasons in the 80's, despite not winning.
Same with Kobe from 2005 - 2007. That was Kobe's peak years.

Huh? MJ's 4 undisputed best versions are 1990-1993.. what are you smoking?

[West-Side]

Huh? MJ's 4 undisputed best versions are 1990-1993.. what are you smoking?

Statistically?
No they are not.

[Straight_Ballin]

So MJ>Shaq in 2002? Is that what you're saying? :roll: :roll: :roll:

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that in 02, MJ still had the torch. Having the torch and being the best at a given time are not the same thing. Again, read up on how the passing of the torch works.

[RRR3]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that in 02, MJ still had the torch. Having the torch and being the best at a given time are not the same thing. Again, read up on how the passing of the torch works.
Kobe wasn't the best player in the league when MJ retired, so how the hell did he ever get the torch by your insane logic? Duncan hasn't retired :hammerhead:

[West-Side]

Jordan's highest PER was in 88'.
Jordan's highest TS% was in 89'.
Jordan's highest PPG was in 87'.


His best all around season was in 89': 32.5/8/8/2.9 on 54 FG% [31.1 PER & .614 TS%.

Jordan's best season in the 90's was 91'

31.5 PPG/6/5.5/2.7 on 54 FG% [31.6 PER & .605 TS%]

More points, rebounds, assists, steals on slightly higher TS%?

I kow Jordan had overall more impressive seasons in the 90's due to team success and playoff success; but I wouldn't say he was at his absolute peak from 90' to 93'. His seasons from 87' to 89' seemed more impressive to me from an individual perspective.

[Bankaii]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that in 02, MJ still had the torch. Having the torch and being the best at a given time are not the same thing. Again, read up on how the passing of the torch works.
You're so fkn stupid. Even if you apply your own shit "logic" it still contradicts itself. Lebron owns your entire mind.

Time for your nap old man.

[RRR3]

Another thing, MJ retired for the first time after 1993. How the hell did he ever get the torch back from Hakeem? http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/crazy-sign-smiley-emoticon.gif

[HurricaneKid]

This is retarded.
Kobe's offensive prowess in 2006 & 2007 far outweights any advantage Duncan has on him with his defense.

Kobe was not only a better scorer, he was also a better play-maker.
Using WS;

2006

Kobe - 15.3 (28 PER)
Duncan - 10.8 (23.1 PER)

2007

Kobe - 13.0 (26.1 PER)
Duncan - 13.0 (26.1 PER)

Kobe also had a higher TS% BOTH years, while nearly doubling Duncan's offensive production.

35.4 PPG & 4.5 APG Vs. 18.6 PPG & 3.2 APG
31.6 PPG & 5.4 APG Vs. 20 PPG & 3.4 APG

The only argument you guys keep regurgitating is that Duncan was a better defender and he went further in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

2007 Duncan is at least close to 2007 Kobe; however, 2006 Kobe absolutely shits all over 06' Duncan, not even close.

If we're talking about achievements, than maybe Duncan has a case for 2007 because he did great in the playoffs and won the championship.

But by using that logic, 09' Kobe was better than 09' LeBron but no one thinks that because LeBron put up better #'s.

The double standard is strong here, as usual.

No, we are just starting to understand that offensive contributions aren't enough to be a great player. You have to contribute on both sides of the court. In fact, if you look at the 195,000 possessions that Kobe and Timmy have played, Timmy's defense alone has had a larger impact on the scores of their games than Kobe's offense.

In 06:
https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2006-rapm

07- FAR more promounced and that doesn't even take into account the playoff dominance difference:
https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2007-rapm

Kobe has never been top 2 in the league in PER. He has never been in the top 3 in WS. He has never been in the top 4 in RAPM. He has been a really good player for a long time but we now have the data to show his shortcomings.

[kennethgriffin]

This... the same happened to Shaq!


heres the thing about shaq in the 90s and lebron in the 00's


they were looked at as absolute choke artist underachievers that dominated the regular season and flopped hardcore when it counted most

the 90s for shaq and 2000's for lebron dont even add to their legacies... if anything taking away those years does them a favor

shaq was swept like 6 times in the 90s

lebron choked the best record away twice and shot air balls in the finals to a 4 and out sweep..

[West-Side]

No, we are just starting to understand that offensive contributions aren't enough to be a great player. You have to contribute on both sides of the court. In fact, if you look at the 195,000 possessions that Kobe and Timmy have played, Timmy's defense alone has had a larger impact on the scores of their games than Kobe's offense.

In 06:
https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2006-rapm

07- FAR more promounced and that doesn't even take into account the playoff dominance difference:
https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2007-rapm

Kobe has never been top 2 in the league in PER. He has never been in the top 3 in WS. He has never been in the top 4 in RAPM. He has been a really good player for a long time but we now have the data to show his shortcomings.

Yet, he led his team to 3 straight final appearances.
PER, RAPM, WS. :oldlol:

These are all subjective stats created by people from scratch.
It's no different than analysts creating financial models for predicting stock prices. It's a decent indicator but it doesn't make it 100% accurate and it definitely benefits specific type of players.

Chris Paul has one of the highest PER's in history, yet I just don't see him playing up to that level of prestige.

[Hey Yo]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that in 02, MJ still had the torch. Having the torch and being the best at a given time are not the same thing. Again, read up on how the passing of the torch works.
So who originally passed the torch to MJ?

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan has the 2000's and Bird has the 80's .


what a hipster doofus :lol

[warriorfan]

what a hipster doofus :lol

:oldlol:

basketball hipsters gotta love them

[feyki]

This is retarded.
Kobe's offensive prowess in 2006 & 2007 far outweights any advantage Duncan has on him with his defense.

Kobe was not only a better scorer, he was also a better play-maker.
Using WS;

2006

Kobe - 15.3 (28 PER)
Duncan - 10.8 (23.1 PER)

2007

Kobe - 13.0 (26.1 PER)
Duncan - 13.0 (26.1 PER)

Kobe also had a higher TS% BOTH years, while nearly doubling Duncan's offensive production.

35.4 PPG & 4.5 APG Vs. 18.6 PPG & 3.2 APG
31.6 PPG & 5.4 APG Vs. 20 PPG & 3.4 APG

The only argument you guys keep regurgitating is that Duncan was a better defender and he went further in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

2007 Duncan is at least close to 2007 Kobe; however, 2006 Kobe absolutely shits all over 06' Duncan, not even close.

If we're talking about achievements, than maybe Duncan has a case for 2007 because he did great in the playoffs and won the championship.

But by using that logic, 09' Kobe was better than 09' LeBron but no one thinks that because LeBron put up better #'s.

The double standard is strong here, as usual.

The double standart is don't count the playoffs stats. Who pick regular season above playoffs ? That's laughable .

[AlphaWolf24]

Son, I've forgotten more about this game than you have ever known.

During his 3 peak physical years (26-29) he missed the playoffs once and lost in the 1st round twice. He missed the playoffs once and never won a series without Pau or Shaq.

His advanced metrics are well behind his peers (LeBron, Duncan, Shaq, and even Dirk). He was a great player for a lot of years but he was never close to the player you claim.

Better than LeBron in 09? Are you dumb?

Bitch I was playing doctor j vs Larry bird on my apple II E while you were running around in smelly diapers like a bunch of bay bay kids...

Kobe started the decade as a premiere player with 3 straight finals...and ended the decade as the premier player with 3 straight finals...

In between the finals he posted offensive numbers not seen since Wilt Chamberlain days....

Dude was in video game mode for half the decade...


Advanced metrics show nick collision having more impact then Steph Curry.....no one gives as shit about algebra in basketball......

If you want Math....look at MJs winning % without pippen ....MJ would have been a bald headed Dominique Wilkins



Thumps chest......next

[HurricaneKid]

Yet, he led his team to 3 straight final appearances.
PER, RAPM, WS. :oldlol:

These are all subjective stats created by people from scratch.
It's no different than analysts creating financial models for predicting stock prices. It's a decent indicator but it doesn't make it 100% accurate and it definitely benefits specific type of players.

Chris Paul has one of the highest PER's in history, yet I just don't see him playing up to that level of prestige.

You are right to a certain extent. PER gives WAY too much credit to chuckers (which is why Kobe was highest in that metric). WS is just diving the wins a team has by statistical accomplishments. So a guy avg 50ppg on a team that never wins doesn't beat out players that lead really good teams.

But RAPM, especially at the sample sizes we are discussing, is not an invented stat. It simply parses the entire action of the entire NBA and does a regression to see who impacts teams offensively and defensively more than others. Which is why Kobe does so poorly in this metric.

Besides, most would say the strength of those teams was the front court, though Kobe was really good and probably played as close to optimal ball as he has for his skill set.

[ShawkFactory]

Now that Kobe is done the fam is willingly passing the torch to someone who isn't Lebron.

And that's only because Lebron actually took the torch without their permission several years ago.

This is the Kobe fam punishment for thievery.