Ron Harper: 96 Bulls would sweep 15 Golden state

[juju151111]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1100478/ron-harper-90s-bulls-sweep-golden-state-warriors

[PJR]

Typical wax poeticizing from an old fart. They didn't even sweep the Sonics, but they'll sweep the Warriors, with one of the most dynamic offensive threats to ever play. Ni99a, please.

[sundizz]

Lol, Dubs would of put the beat down on them. Delusional old men.

[livinglegend]

**** the oldies and their shitty opinions

[juju151111]

Lol, Dubs would of put the beat down on them. Delusional old men.
Dubs wouldn't put beat down on anyone.

[Terahite]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1100478/ron-harper-90s-bulls-sweep-golden-state-warriors

:biggums:

[Terahite]

Dubs wouldn't put beat down on anyone.

:biggums:

[sdot_thadon]

It'd be a stretch to say they'd sweep but if anyone has the right to do so why not harper, he'd be the one chasing curry all over creation.

[Reggie43]

If they played with the rules back then in 96 they probably could..

[dhsilv]

It'd be a stretch to say they'd sweep but if anyone has the right to do so why not harper, he'd be the one chasing curry all over creation.

MJ would be guarding Curry. Pippen on Klay, and Harper would be on whoever was at the 3 unless it was a guy who could take him into the post more than likely.

[Carbine]

Warriors don't match up well at all vs the 96 Bulls.

[imdaman99]

I dunno about a sweep, but prob 5 games.

[ShaqTwizzle]

A Seattle team led by Payton & Kemp took them to 6 games.
01 Lakers >>> 96 Bulls

:pimp:

[westsideozzie]

Michael Jordan and Pippen on Curry. Game over.

[LakersForlife]

this old time players should stfu bunch of insecure pricks

[raprap]

MJ would be guarding Curry. Pippen on Klay, and Harper would be on whoever was at the 3 unless it was a guy who could take him into the post more than likely.
Lol no. 96 MJ won't waste his energy chasing the goat shooter. Pip would have a better chance in covering the point god.

[sdot_thadon]

MJ would be guarding Curry. Pippen on Klay, and Harper would be on whoever was at the 3 unless it was a guy who could take him into the post more than likely.
Nah 2nd 3peat Mj wasn't fond of chasing through screens. It'd be harper maybe Mj would go at him if he was totally roasting ron.

[Da_Realist]

He's right. Who would Curry guard? MJ? Pip? Harper? Kukoc? Dude's 4'11 and weighs a buck ten.

MJ - 6'6", long, very quick, athletic
Pip - 6'8", really long, quick, athletic
Harper - 6'6", long, athletic
Kukoc, - 6'10", really really long, excellent range with his shooting elbow 2 feet above Curry's head.

How could the triangle not exploit this every time down the floor?

[90sgoat]

He's right. Who would Curry guard? MJ? Pip? Harper? Kukoc? Dude's 4'11 and weighs a buck ten.

MJ - 6'6", long, very quick, athletic
Pip - 6'8", really long, quick, athletic
Harper - 6'6", long, athletic
Kukoc, - 6'10", really really long, excellent range with his shooting elbow 2 feet above Curry's head.

How could the triangle not exploit this every time down the floor?

Exactly Curry would get exposed hard on defense.

[WorldWarriors]

Bulls defense though. Those guys lived to shut down players like Steph. I ain't mad at Ron. Its just ish talking.

[Harison]

96' Bulls would definitely win (one of the GOAT teams, with GOAT himself), sweeping might be a stretch though.

[ImKobe]

Klay would shut down MJ.

[ralph_i_el]

Michael Jordan and Pippen on Curry. Game over.

:confusedshrug: Then the Dubs just pass for easy bucket after easy bucket in the paint. The fact that you have to guard Curry so closely helps his teammates even when he isn't touching the ball

[kennethgriffin]

96 bulls in 2015 lose to warriors

2015 warriors in 1996 lose to bulls


/thread

[dhsilv]

He's right. Who would Curry guard? MJ? Pip? Harper? Kukoc? Dude's 4'11 and weighs a buck ten.

MJ - 6'6", long, very quick, athletic
Pip - 6'8", really long, quick, athletic
Harper - 6'6", long, athletic
Kukoc, - 6'10", really really long, excellent range with his shooting elbow 2 feet above Curry's head.

How could the triangle not exploit this every time down the floor?

Modern rules right? They'd have a help man any time harper tried to post him up. Bullls aren't getting 30 from harper, lol

[dhsilv]

Lol no. 96 MJ won't waste his energy chasing the goat shooter. Pip would have a better chance in covering the point god.

In the finals MJ's on Curry. He's not losing to curry shooting 3's all night.

[LikeMike]

Warriors steal a game or 2.

[sd3035]

The Bulls wouldn't even make it to the finals in today's league

Cavs in 6

[97 bulls]

I think the Bulls would do the same thing the Cavs did. Go big

6'8 Pippen
6'6 Jordan
6'11 Kukoc
6'8 Rodman
7'2 Longley.

And then go after whoever Curry is guarding. He'd be in foul trouble by the second quarter

I think the Bulls would be even better today because they don't have to worry about playing man defense and they'd be playing in a league that doesnt have bigs like they did in the 90s

[90sgoat]

I think the Bulls would do the same thing the Cavs did. Go big

6'8 Pippen
6'6 Jordan
6'11 Kukoc
6'8 Rodman
7'2 Longley.

And then go after whoever Curry is guarding. He'd be in foul trouble by the second quarter

I think the Bulls would be even better today because they don't have to worry about playing man defense and they'd be playing in a league that doesnt have bigs like they did in the 90s

Good point.

Allow Pip, MJ and Rodman to float in the paint and swarming as they like and it would be brutal. The 96 Bulls team had one of the best perimeter swarming defenses of all time, they had to, because they didn't have rim protectors. Their defense would be like Miami Heat 12 on HGH-steroids.

[Cali Syndicate]

I think the Bulls would do the same thing the Cavs did. Go big

6'8 Pippen
6'6 Jordan
6'11 Kukoc
6'8 Rodman
7'2 Longley.

And then go after whoever Curry is guarding. He'd be in foul trouble by the second quarter

I think the Bulls would be even better today because they don't have to worry about playing man defense and they'd be playing in a league that doesnt have bigs like they did in the 90s

Sheit, then the warriors go big

Livingston
Klay
Iggy
Barnes
Draymond

Now what?!

wait....

[juju151111]

:confusedshrug: Then the Dubs just pass for easy bucket after easy bucket in the paint. The fact that you have to guard Curry so closely helps his teammates even when he isn't touching the ball
The thing is the Bulls have great defense at all 5 positions and you can slow Curry down if you actually fight through screens and stay stick to him. Look how the Pistons defended him a few games ago. They were physical and stayed with him. Then the Timberwolves lavine is lazy and let him get open shots. The thing with the Bulls is all 3 is all 3 perimeter defenders are good.

[Da_Realist]

Sheit, then the warriors go big

Livingston
Klay
Iggy
Barnes
Draymond

Now what?!

wait....

How would they score?

[r0drig0lac]

Warriors probably steal a game. Bulls 5 (1996 or 2015)

[Da_Realist]

Modern rules right? They'd have a help man any time harper tried to post him up. Bullls aren't getting 30 from harper, lol

Help from who? MJ? Pip? Wherever the help comes from will just leave a more potent scorer (or offensive rebounder=Rodman) more open. The triangle offense would destroy all that shifting. Curry is a defensive liability that GS wouldn't be able to cover up because they would need his offense desperately on the other end.

[atljonesbro]

The Warriors aren't getting swept by the 96 bulls.. Delusional, insecure old men only think this. It could go either way.

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif


They didn't even sweep the Sonics, but they'll sweep the Warriors, with one of the most dynamic offensive threats to ever play.



Jordan would lock up Curry worse than Delladova did

and he'd average more than he did in 1993 Finals against the Warriors' single-coverage and standard, spaced out defensive setup (shown above)...

if the Warriors double-team, then the Bulls win easily since everyone gets involved.. basically, the Warriors have no chance
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[tmacattack33]

A Seattle team led by Payton & Kemp took them to 6 games.
01 Lakers >>> 96 Bulls

:pimp:

:biggums:

Payton was an elite PG, Kemp was a great PF. Shrempf was a borderline all-star...Hawkins and Perkins were solid.

[97 bulls]

The Warriors aren't getting swept by the 96 bulls.. Delusional, insecure old men only think this. It could go either way.
I don't think theyd be swept either. Id give the Warriors one game.

The Cavs hung with the Warriors playing big. And guys like Mozgov looked damn dominant at times. I see Bulls bigs being even more domiant if the Warriors try to play small ball. And Rodman would easily grab 20 rebounds per.

[AirFederer]

Gsw would contain mike easily


:facepalm

No sweep, I say it goes six or seven with da UnbeataBulls on top :rockon:

But we'll never know guys, so relax.

[97 bulls]

Another thing. Don't sleep on Ron Harper. The man was averaging 20 ppg when he joined the Bulls. He thrives in an open court setting like today. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Rodman would be an awesome open court fast break team and still be able to lock a team down defensively.

[DoctorP]

Of course Harper would say that. It's like bragging about your kid in little league.

[Westbrook0]

Lol, Dubs would of put the beat down on them. Delusional old men.


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[DMAVS41]

Sweep? Hell no...but maybe they win in 5 or 6.

The Bulls would win, but the Warriors are getting severely under-rated if people think they couldn't win a game.

[catch24]

1996 Bulls beat the Warriors...regardless of the rules...

Would be a fun series though.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The Cavs took this Warriors team 6 games in the Finals w/ LeBron and bums.

Let that sink in ... no Kyrie Irving. No Kevin Love.

And Cleveland were a play or two away from either going 7 games, or winning the series. That's with LeBron's jumper being broke for the majority of the series when guarded in isolation by Iguodala. Given all that, the eye test leads me to believe fairly confidently the Bulls would win the series in 6 games.

I'd put Pippen, and Harper on Curry. Just take turns frustrating him. The same way they both did to Penny, Tim Hardaway, Mark Jackson, GP and Stockton.

Rodman would give the rest of the front court issues. From Bogut, to Green. And then GOAT is gonna GOAT on Klay, or Iguodala.

That Bulls team would be most suseptible to a elite dominant all-time big Centers. Especially being guarded by the likes of Luke Longley, and Wennington.

So teams like the '71 Lakers, or the 2000 - 2002 Lakers would give them the most issue to be honest.


If they played with the rules back then in 96 they probably could..
Absolutely. '96 physicality? Easy sweep. In today's rule set, I'm being generous saying it would go 6 games. Chicago wins though.

[dhsilv]

Help from who? MJ? Pip? Wherever the help comes from will just leave a more potent scorer (or offensive rebounder=Rodman) more open. The triangle offense would destroy all that shifting. Curry is a defensive liability that GS wouldn't be able to cover up because they would need his offense desperately on the other end.

Triangle doesn't work well today.

I'll live with pippen taking open shots. I'll even live with MJ getting a few. The key is to not let them get into the paint (easier said than done CLEARLY).

I sorry but Harper is NOT beating the warriors. Just not gonna happen.

[Da_Realist]

Sweep. How could GSW score enough to win even one game if the Bulls were locked in? I believe Chicago held their playoffs opponents to 86 ppg.

Forget about how GSW could not contain the Bulls offense at all... How could GSW score? I'm looking for some good answers, not some troll-fest by little kids. 96 Bulls could be the best perimeter defense in history and they would be locked in against a perimeter oriented team with no size, no inside game and no pure scorers except mighty mouse.

We'll get to how they could possibly stop Chicago defensively later (they couldn't). And maybe after that, we could talk about how they could possibly keep Chicago off the boards (fat chance).

96 Bulls were a bully team and knew how to get an edge physically, mentally and psychologically. They'd play with GSW like a cat plays with a string. I don't see GSW taking even one game in the Finals. Maybe in the regular season but not the Finals when it's about matchups and preparation.

[Da_Realist]

01 Lakers >>> 96 Bulls

:pimp:

Much more interesting matchup. Definitely goes 6 and probably goes 7. I'd love to talk about this one. You should start a thread. I'm about to go up north to see Rickey Smiley but I would add my thoughts when I get back.

GSW is really a waste of time. They don't have the size, experience or fortitude to do much with the 96 Bulls except maybe possibly catch the Bulls sleeping and steal one game. That's about it.

[dhsilv]

Much more interesting matchup. Definitely goes 6 and probably goes 7. I'd love to talk about this one. You should start a thread. I'm about to go up north to see Rickey Smiley but I would add my thoughts when I get back.

GSW is really a waste of time. They don't have the size, experience or fortitude to do much with the 96 Bulls except maybe possibly catch the Bulls sleeping and steal one game. That's about it.

They just won a title. They do have size...they tend to be better when they go small. This year's team has been together long enough and is experienced enough to be considered, we'll see how they do in the playoffs but dismissing them is just silly.

[juju151111]

Triangle doesn't work well today.

I'll live with pippen taking open shots. I'll even live with MJ getting a few. The key is to not let them get into the paint (easier said than done CLEARLY).

I sorry but Harper is NOT beating the warriors. Just not gonna happen.
The triangle works in any era. You need the player. The triangle won 5 years ago and got to the playoffs in 11. Any system looks good if you have the right players. Triangle been working since 90 nd still won chips in 2010.

[juju151111]

They just won a title. They do have size...they tend to be better when they go small. This year's team has been together long enough and is experienced enough to be considered, we'll see how they do in the playoffs but dismissing them is just silly.
I don't see them having a chance either. Maybe they stl a game or two. The Bulls are a better. You can slow down Curry by being physical and fighting through screens. The Bulls have Haper,Mj, and Pippen willing to do all these things and a PF who can guard small PG in a switch.

[90sgoat]

96 Bulls played such great suffocating perimeter defense, you have to see it to believe it. They'd make life hell for Curry and Klay. Pippen's long ass arms always in Curry's face or MJ with his ligthning quick ability to plaster himself on an opponent.

[Da_Realist]

They just won a title. They do have size...they tend to be better when they go small. This year's team has been together long enough and is experienced enough to be considered, we'll see how they do in the playoffs but dismissing them is just silly.

You would need size to beat the Bulls. Size that could score, rebound and defend. You need to have a little weight physically and mentally to beat the Bulls even for one game, let alone four out of seven. We hadn't even talked about them having Michael Jordan because we can't get past how poorly GSW matches up with Chicago in a general sense.

Bulls have
superior offense
superior defense
superior rebounding
more experience
better coaching staff
longer, quicker athletes

GSW has
no chance

How could GSW score?
How could GSW defend?
How could GSW stop the Bulls from owning the boards and getting second chance opportunities?

These are three major questions that neither you or anyone else has an answer to.

[dhsilv]

The triangle works in any era. You need the player. The triangle won 5 years ago and got to the playoffs in 11. Any system looks good if you have the right players. Triangle been working since 90 nd still won chips in 2010.

That bulls team is not built to maximize the triangle in today's game. They lack shooters to create space, badly.

The biggest strength of the bulls is their wing defense and how great MJ and Pippen were at playing zones as the ball moved up the court. With better shooters, the likes of which did not exist in the 90's, the warriors shooters as they spread the floor would function like magnets pulling these players outside of their strengths as they'd have to stay tight on curry and klay (assuming he comes out of this early season funk). You further complicate things as Rodman would have to guard Green out to the 3 point line, moving him away from the glass.

The warriors greatly pull the bulls out of what they do best defensively.

The warriors were the number one defense last season. They cover the floor well and they can fill in pieces from the bench as will to adjust for match up problems.

Now I don't think they'd actually beat the bulls, but people are dismissing them as if they would have no chance. That's just ridiculous. One bad series and suddenly the warriors who had an SRS over 10 last year are suddenly a team that can be dismissed? I mean they flat out played like CRAP against the cavs, I saw that. They still had a 10 plus point differential and won the series. Keep in mind that was the first trip to the finals to I think every guy on that team. A year later and with everyone but David Lee back, they're back to winning games by a margin of 10+, have the best offense in the game again, and are 3rd or 4th defensively through 10 games.

Bull win in 6 or 7. This sweep stuff could happen but it's unlikely. Dismissing the warriors is just unthinkable.

[bigkingsfan]

Three points > Two points

[El Gato Negro]

Who the hell cares :sleeping

[dhsilv]

You would need size to beat the Bulls. Size that could score, rebound and defend. You need to have a little weight physically and mentally to beat the Bulls even for one game, let alone four out of seven. We hadn't even talked about them having Michael Jordan because we can't get past how poorly GSW matches up with Chicago in a general sense.

Bulls have
superior offense
superior defense
superior rebounding
more experience
better coaching staff
longer, quicker athletes

GSW has
no chance

How could GSW score?
How could GSW defend?
How could GSW stop the Bulls from owning the boards and getting second chance opportunities?

These are three major questions that neither you or anyone else has an answer to.

Curry is as long as Harper, he's 3 inches shorter with the same body weight. Meaning he's got more muscle on him. He's both faster and quicker than him.

Klay is taller and weights more than Jordan. They have similar wing spans as well I'd venture to guess.

Barnes is exactly Pippen's size.

Green has 20 pounds on Rodman, same height.

DO we even need to talk Centers? The warriors are far superior here. But yeah Luc has 2 inches and 5 pounds on Bogut.

Where is this size disadvantage?

[Da_Realist]

That bulls team is not built to maximize the triangle in today's game. They lack shooters to create space, badly.

The biggest strength of the bulls is their wing defense and how great MJ and Pippen were at playing zones as the ball moved up the court. With better shooters, the likes of which did not exist in the 90's, the warriors shooters as they spread the floor would function like magnets pulling these players outside of their strengths as they'd have to stay tight on curry and klay (assuming he comes out of this early season funk). You further complicate things as Rodman would have to guard Green out to the 3 point line, moving him away from the glass.

The warriors greatly pull the bulls out of what they do best defensively.

The warriors were the number one defense last season. They cover the floor well and they can fill in pieces from the bench as will to adjust for match up problems.

Now I don't think they'd actually beat the bulls, but people are dismissing them as if they would have no chance. That's just ridiculous. One bad series and suddenly the warriors who had an SRS over 10 last year are suddenly a team that can be dismissed? I mean they flat out played like CRAP against the cavs, I saw that. They still had a 10 plus point differential and won the series. Keep in mind that was the first trip to the finals to I think every guy on that team. A year later and with everyone but David Lee back, they're back to winning games by a margin of 10+, have the best offense in the game again, and are 3rd or 4th defensively through 10 games.

Bull win in 6 or 7. This sweep stuff could happen but it's unlikely. Dismissing the warriors is just unthinkable.

What better shooters? Curry? Who else? The Bulls could take a nap and wait on the rebound. Nobody is pulling the Bulls out of what they do best. Perimeter defense is what they do best. Klay Thompson and those other no-names wouldn't scare anybody.

Curry couldnn't hit enough jumpers to beat the Bulls when the Bulls have a better, more cohesive offense built to take advantage of mismatches -- the biggest being Curry himself. Easy two points. And even when they miss, good luck stopping Rodman, Pippen and Jordan on the glass.

[90sgoat]

Curry is as long as Harper, he's 3 inches shorter with the same body weight. Meaning he's got more muscle on him. He's both faster and quicker than him.

Klay is taller and weights more than Jordan. They have similar wing spans as well I'd venture to guess.

Barnes is exactly Pippen's size.

Green has 20 pounds on Rodman, same height.

DO we even need to talk Centers? The warriors are far superior here. But yeah Luc has 2 inches and 5 pounds on Bogut.

Where is this size disadvantage?

Official listings mean nothing come on. Particularly not from the 90s.

Are you seriously claiming that Klay is as strong and athletic as MJ? That Barnes is as Pippen? That Rodman who could guard Shaq isn't stronger than Green.

Damn.

[juju151111]

That bulls team is not built to maximize the triangle in today's game. They lack shooters to create space, badly.

The biggest strength of the bulls is their wing defense and how great MJ and Pippen were at playing zones as the ball moved up the court. With better shooters, the likes of which did not exist in the 90's, the warriors shooters as they spread the floor would function like magnets pulling these players outside of their strengths as they'd have to stay tight on curry and klay (assuming he comes out of this early season funk). You further complicate things as Rodman would have to guard Green out to the 3 point line, moving him away from the glass.

The warriors greatly pull the bulls out of what they do best defensively.

The warriors were the number one defense last season. They cover the floor well and they can fill in pieces from the bench as will to adjust for match up problems.

Now I don't think they'd actually beat the bulls, but people are dismissing them as if they would have no chance. That's just ridiculous. One bad series and suddenly the warriors who had an SRS over 10 last year are suddenly a team that can be dismissed? I mean they flat out played like CRAP against the cavs, I saw that. They still had a 10 plus point differential and won the series. Keep in mind that was the first trip to the finals to I think every guy on that team. A year later and with everyone but David Lee back, they're back to winning games by a margin of 10+, have the best offense in the game again, and are 3rd or 4th defensively through 10 games.

Bull win in 6 or 7. This sweep stuff could happen but it's unlikely. Dismissing the warriors is just unthinkable.
Why are you talking about Klay. Klay will easily be put in foul trouble. He is prone to foul peopl and he just not that good. Look at his playoffs stats conpared to his regular season.
The Warriors lost games to a cavs team with LJ and scrubs. Dropped 2 games to the no 3pt having grizzlies team. Klay is prone to dumb mistakes and is better at guarding midgets. This so called great Warriors team lost two games to the Grizzlies and Cavs bith without starters. Also why do you keep saying todays game? The traingle won 5 years ago.

[dhsilv]

What better shooters? Curry? Who else? The Bulls could take a nap and wait on the rebound. Nobody is pulling the Bulls out of what they do best. Perimeter defense is what they do best. Klay Thompson and those other no-names wouldn't scare anybody.

Curry couldnn't hit enough jumpers to beat the Bulls when the Bulls have a better, more cohesive offense built to take advantage of mismatches -- the biggest being Curry himself. Easy two points. And even when they miss, good luck stopping Rodman, Pippen and Jordan on the glass.

You're going to let Klay take simi open 3's? Yeah....that'll be a sweep. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[dhsilv]

Why are you talking about Klay. Klay will easily be put in foul trouble. He is prone to foul peopl and he just not that good. Look at his playoffs stats conpared to his regular season.
The Warriors lost games to a cavs team with LJ and scrubs. Dropped 2 games to the no 3pt having grizzlies team. Klay is prone to dumb mistakes and is better at guarding midgets. This so called great Warriors team lost two games to the Grizzlies and Cavs bith without starters. Also why do you keep saying todays game? The traingle won 5 years ago.

Klay is not the second best player on the warriors nor is he a guy I have ANY faith in. He hits opens jumper and can be as streaky as anyone. Thus he demands gravity. Something that takes the bulls out of their optimal defensive plans.

Yes the lakers did win 5 years ago. The modern game started roughly in 08 or 09 so you do have a point of data that disagrees with my assessment of the offense. I accept that it does somewhat contradict me. That however was one freaking HUGE team that could pass well on top of all that. I think they're an exception.

[dhsilv]

Official listings mean nothing come on. Particularly not from the 90s.

Are you seriously claiming that Klay is as strong and athletic as MJ? That Barnes is as Pippen? That Rodman who could guard Shaq isn't stronger than Green.

Damn.

I had someone post that the bull are longer and bigger and the warriors lack size.

I posted that this is not the case.

I posted nothing stating if MJ was stronger or more athletic than Klay nor did I post anything related to who is stronger between Rodman and Green. If I had posted such a thing, you'd have a quote of me saying it.

I did say Curry is more athletic than Harper and that he might be stronger and longer. He is not taller.

My post was purely to point out that he made an argument with statements that we can reasonably fact check and they aren't true. As always player weight and heights are a bit difficult, but there is NOT a size mismatch between these teams as others are implying.

[Funktion]

Bulls basically swept the inside-out Knicks and Orlando, and had their only trouble of you can call it that with the play of the Sonics. I'd have rather seen the 96 Sonics and Payton on Curry.

[juju151111]

Klay is not the second best player on the warriors nor is he a guy I have ANY faith in. He hits opens jumper and can be as streaky as anyone. Thus he demands gravity. Something that takes the bulls out of their optimal defensive plans.

Yes the lakers did win 5 years ago. The modern game started roughly in 08 or 09 so you do have a point of data that disagrees with my assessment of the offense. I accept that it does somewhat contradict me. That however was one freaking HUGE team that could pass well on top of all that. I think they're an exception.
Bro just stop it. Your one of the best posters here, but don't tell me you your one of these nuts who think teams from the 90s will get destroyed today because i can easily refute that. The Bulls were a great passing team too. In fact the bulls played at a slower pace and still averged 20+ asts. They are not a exception, they just had a good team that can execute a system.

[juju151111]

Bulls basically swept the inside-out Knicks and Orlando, and had their only trouble of you can call it that with the play of the Sonics. I'd have rather seen the 96 Sonics and Payton on Curry.
96 Sonics and Orlando>> any team the Warriors faced in the playoffs last year. Facts

[Da_Realist]

How can GSW score more than 85 pts a game against Chicago?

[dhsilv]

Bro just stop it. Your one of the best posters here, but don't tell me you your one of these nuts who think teams from the 90s will get destroyed today because i can easily refute that. The Bulls were a great passing team too. In fact the bulls played at a slower pace and still averged 20+ asts. They are not a exception, they just had a good team that can execute a system.

I did clearly state that the bull would win this, did I not?

I think teams from the 90's would have to adapt and the way they played would have to change. Today's defense would make the spacing needed in the triangle more difficult especially given Pippen is the only above average (if he even is above average) 3 point shoot on the bull's starting 5. The triangle is just better against a man to man than a zone. I'm not saying anything crazy here. I think you're trying to take my words and assuming I"m implying some extreme here.

[Da_Realist]

I did clearly state that the bull would win this, did I not?

I think teams from the 90's would have to adapt and the way they played would have to change. Today's defense would make the spacing needed in the triangle more difficult especially given Pippen is the only above average (if he even is above average) 3 point shoot on the bull's starting 5. The triangle is just better against a man to man than a zone. I'm not saying anything crazy here. I think you're trying to take my words and assuming I"m implying some extreme here.

Bulls could easily insert Kukoc into the starting lineup, if more scoring was needed. Which it wouldn't be because the offense ran like a well-oiled machine, MJ was a guaranteed 30 and GSW couldn't score consistently on the other end.

[DonDadda59]

The Warriors struggled mightily against a shell of a team in the Finals. They couldn't see the Bulls in a series.

[dhsilv]

Bulls could easily insert Kukoc into the starting lineup, if more scoring was needed. Which it wouldn't be because the offense ran like a machine, MJ was a guatanteed 30 and GSW couldn't score consistently on the other end.

I do'nt even know how to respond to stuff like this. The warriors are scoring 114 a game this year. They averaged 110 last year. 103 in the playoffs.

The bulls would slow the game down and yes they're an all time great defensive team, but 85 points? See this is where you just get absurd. They didn't have one game last year 85 or under.

[juju151111]

I did clearly state that the bull would win this, did I not?

I think teams from the 90's would have to adapt and the way they played would have to change. Today's defense would make the spacing needed in the triangle more difficult especially given Pippen is the only above average (if he even is above average) 3 point shoot on the bull's starting 5. The triangle is just better against a man to man than a zone. I'm not saying anything crazy here. I think you're trying to take my words and assuming I"m implying some extreme here.
Oh please the 2012 Heat barley had anyone in the starting lineup who was shooting 3s but Chambers who was at 38%. They still was the number one seed in the east. LJ and Wade barley took 3s that season.

[juju151111]

I do'nt even know how to respond to stuff like this. The warriors are scoring 114 a game this year. They averaged 110 last year. 103 in the playoffs.

The bulls would slow the game down and yes they're an all time great defensive team, but 85 points? See this is where you just get absurd. They didn't have one game last year 85 or under.
I doubt they score 85 unless the Bulls really put the clamps, but the Bulls defemse will get the job done. If you look at Curry, the way i see teams have good success is someone who can fight through screens and move their feet. Im not saying he won't still get his but he will be limited.

[catch24]

Oh please the 2012 Heat barley had anyone in the starting lineup who was shooting 3s but Chambers who was at 38%. They still was the number one seed in the east. LJ and Wade barley took 3s that season.

This dude is the biggest flip flopper on ISH. :oldlol:

One minute you're on Curry and the Warriors nuts claiming they're "elite" and "cannot be stopped in ANY era", and in the next, you're talking about average 90s teams beating their asses. Hilarious...

[dhsilv]

Oh please the 2012 Heat barley had anyone in the starting lineup who was shooting 3s but Chambers who was at 38%. They still was the number one seed in the east. LJ and Wade barley took 3s that season.

They were not running the triangle where they?

I didn't say you can't win without being a great shooting team. Again you're trying to take my words and read in way more than I"m saying.

[FKAri]

How can GSW score more than 85 pts a game against Chicago?

I dunno. Drop 3's from 30 feet?

Bulls have garbage shooting by modern standards. That team would need to make trades to play in today's league. They would still be a great team but that team construction isn't optimal for modern basketball.

Warriors have too many multidimensional players. Guys who can shoot, pass, and defend very very well.

[dhsilv]

I doubt they score 85 unless the Bulls really put the clamps, but the Bulls defemse will get the job done. If you look at Curry, the way i see teams have good success is someone who can fight through screens and move their feet. Im not saying he won't still get his but he will be limited.

The warriors not named curry scored 86 a game last year. The bulls are not over 7 games keeping the warriors 25 points under their average from last year.

[Sarcastic]

GS only has a chance to win this series if Jordan gets hurt, and can't play. Otherwise Bulls are winning easy.

[juju151111]

They were not running the triangle where they?

I didn't say you can't win without being a great shooting team. Again you're trying to take my words and read in way more than I"m saying.
What does running the traingle mean?The Traingle is just a system. The knicks use it and so do the Warriors from time to time. The knicks were garbage with the traingle and without it. They are playing better this year because players are stepping up. If Carmelo was younger in his prime the knicks would be winning more with said system. Its noting wrong with the traingle. Even if you forced to Bulls to be in another system they will perform. Mj averged more asts at 38 years old in the first 45 games in 02 before his injury then he did 96-98. These guys are natural at passing just like the Warriors.

[dhsilv]

What does running the traingle mean?The Traingle is just a system. The knicks use it and so do the Warriors from time to time. The knicks were garbage with the traingle and without it. They are playing better this year because players are stepping up. If Carmelo was younger in his prime the knicks would be winning more with said system. Its noting wrong with the traingle. Even if you forced to Bulls to be in another system they will perform. Mj averged more asts at 38 years old in the first 45 games in 02 before his injury then he did 96-98. These guys are natural at passing just like the Warriors.

It means running the triangle offense.

It does not mean running pick and rolls out at the 3 point line for example.

[atljonesbro]

How can GSW score more than 85 pts a game against Chicago?
The Warriors would easily be the best offensive team Chicago had ever faced.

[1987_Lakers]

I don't think people realize how good and dominant this Golden State team is, I think Chicago wins, but to say they are going to sweep is ridiculous.

[juju151111]

The warriors not named curry scored 86 a game last year. The bulls are not over 7 games keeping the warriors 25 points under their average from last year.
The Warriors never faced a Atg defense like the Bulls. The closet they got was the 15 Grizzlies who wasn't even has good has prior years and was missing various players.

[juju151111]

It means running the triangle offense.

It does not mean running pick and rolls out at the 3 point line for example.
My point is players make the system and coaches will put the players in the spot to be successful. Anyways i see it going 5 or 6.

[juju151111]

The Warriors would easily be the best offensive team Chicago had ever faced.
GS has never faced a defense like the Bulls. The Bulls are a ATG defensive team in modern era.

[dhsilv]

GS has never faced a defense like the Bulls. The Bulls are a ATG defensive team in modern era.

It seems we're going in a loop.


So this is the best offense the bulls will have ever seen and the best defense the warriors ever saw. Hmm...

[Lebron23]

I agree

[DonDadda59]

It seems we're going in a loop.


So this is the best offense the bulls will have ever seen and the best defense the warriors ever saw. Hmm...

'93 Suns offense>'15 Warriors offense.

[juju151111]

It seems we're going in a loop.


So this is the best offense the bulls will have ever seen and the best defense the warriors ever saw. Hmm...
Who said its the best offense the Bulls ever saw :roll: They loss two games to the unmanned Cavs team

[warriorfan]

'93 Suns offense>'15 Warriors offense.

No shit...second best player on the Warriors is Klay Thompson... Let that sink in for a minute.

[dhsilv]

Who said its the best offense the Bulls ever saw :roll: They loss two games to the unmanned Cavs team

These two statements are not related at all....so I'm not sure what to do with them. The sky is blue and MJ wore red?

[dhsilv]

No shit...second best player on the Warriors is Klay Thompson... Let that sink in for a minute.

Was there a trade I missed?

[Hey Yo]

No shit...second best player on the Warriors is Klay Thompson... Let that sink in for a minute.
The one who scored 37pts in one quarter?

[DMAVS41]

No shit...second best player on the Warriors is Klay Thompson... Let that sink in for a minute.

Debatable actually...Green is under-rated by, of all people, Warriors fans....and many franchises would kill to have Klay, Green, Barnes, Iggy, and Bogut around their star

[juju151111]

These two statements are not related at all....so I'm not sure what to do with them. The sky is blue and MJ wore red?
Doesn't matter. Bulls are the superior team. Lets see how the Warriors perform this season and Playoffs.

[I<3NBA]

No team will beat a team composed of the holy trinity of MJ, Pip, and Rodman. doesn't matter who you have. these 3 will stop your team.

Draymond Green? the guy who attracts technicals like a flame attracts a moth? lol. Rodman would get under his skin so easy he'd be tossed out the game in the 1st quarter.

Stephen Curry? has anyone even watched MJ and Pippen demolish opposing back courts? MJ and Pip would eat Curry alive. Curry would be so shook his shots will stop falling and GSW loses in 4.

and even if GSW forces a switch, Rodman can guard Curry.

small ball? lol. do ppl even realize the Bulls were playing small long before Miami did it? srsly. Bulls are Miami swarming defense on steroids.

[Prime_Shaq]

4-1.

[Blue&Orange]

GSW looked shooked and choked in the first games. If they did the same against the bulls, bulls would sweep them easily. Maybe GSW could sneak a win in game 4, with bulls being 3-0.

[Hopper15]

96 Bulls played such great suffocating perimeter defense, you have to see it to believe it. They'd make life hell for Curry and Klay. Pippen's long ass arms always in Curry's face or MJ with his ligthning quick ability to plaster himself on an opponent.

The Warriors don't a run bunch of isolation ball with those two though. If they did I agree that would play right into the Bulls hands.

They have so many good passers with Curry, Livingston, Bogut, Iggy and Draymond you can't just lock onto two players and think you're home free.

[Da_Realist]

Curry is as long as Harper, he's 3 inches shorter with the same body weight. Meaning he's got more muscle on him. He's both faster and quicker than him.

Klay is taller and weights more than Jordan. They have similar wing spans as well I'd venture to guess.

Barnes is exactly Pippen's size.

Green has 20 pounds on Rodman, same height.

DO we even need to talk Centers? The warriors are far superior here. But yeah Luc has 2 inches and 5 pounds on Bogut.

Where is this size disadvantage?

You misunderstood. I said


You would need size to beat the Bulls. Size that could score, rebound and defend. You need to have a little weight physically and mentally to beat the Bulls even for one game, let alone four out of seven.

GSW's "size" couldn't do any of those things against Chicago. No post ups that could wear down the defense. No bangers that could secure the glass. No big guy that could get easy baskets. They're a jumpshot team led by a guy you admitted was 3 inches shorter than his counterpart.

Rodman made Shaq's life miserable. What is Green going to do? Will he stop Rodman from getting 15 rebounds? What is Klay going to do with MJ? Who is Curry going to guard if Chicago throws out a lineup of MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman, Longley?

The problem is...they need Curry on the floor but he's a huge defensive liability. You can't hide Curry on defense against this team. They would find him, post him up and wear him down. No legs, no jumpshots by the end of the game. Totally worn down by Game 3. Just like that, GSW's best weapon is nullified.

Sweep.

[diamenz]

i dunno about a sweep, but i'm confident in the bulls taking the series. i'd be more interested in seeing the 98 pacers vs. the 15 warriors. would be a hell of a shootout.

[LakersForlife]

The Bulls wouldn't even make it to the finals in today's league

Cavs in 6
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

The one who scored 37pts in one quarter?
Not just that ... he's the second best defensive SG in the league currently. And the third best defender at the position being is his backup, Andre Iguodala.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't think people realize how good and dominant this Golden State team is, I think Chicago wins, but to say they are going to sweep is ridiculous.

Depends, Golden State wasn't the best team last year.. Cavs would make this the most entertaining series.

[dhsilv]

You misunderstood. I said



GSW's "size" couldn't do any of those things against Chicago. No post ups that could wear down the defense. No bangers that could secure the glass. No big guy that could get easy baskets. They're a jumpshot team led by a guy you admitted was 3 inches shorter than his counterpart.

Rodman made Shaq's life miserable. What is Green going to do? Will he stop Rodman from getting 15 rebounds? What is Klay going to do with MJ? Who is Curry going to guard if Chicago throws out a lineup of MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman, Longley?

The problem is...they need Curry on the floor but he's a huge defensive liability. You can't hide Curry on defense against this team. They would find him, post him up and wear him down. No legs, no jumpshots by the end of the game. Totally worn down by Game 3. Just like that, GSW's best weapon is nullified.

Sweep.

All this crap is what people kept saying about the warriors last year. They won the title and are likely going to do the same thing this year.

Curry is not remotely as poor a defender as you keep making him out to be. They'd run a zone against the bulls and the triangle so Curry wouldn't really be guarding anyone at least by himself. Basketball isn't about one on one match ups and even when there were strict rules on man to man, teams still worked around it.

Rodman is going to be following Green to the 3 point line, pulling him away from the glass. Anyone the warriors put at center is a better rebounder than Luc and could score on him.

Yes Rodman could guard shaq in the post. He could guard Malone in the post. Green isn't anything like those two players and he's not really a guy who needs plays to add value on offense.

Everything the bulls do well defensively the warriors won't be directly impacted by. We never saw Jordan or Pippen against an offense where they literally would not stop running. The warriors move the ball exceptionally well and their players are almost in constant motion.

More over the warriors shoot 3's at a higher frequency than any team the bulls have faced. One of the perceived strengths of the bulls is their ability to rebound. I don't think they are nearly as dominate in that regard as you seem to, but lets also remember that 3 point misses have a MUCH higher rate of offensive rebounds. This is one of the many reasons the 3 point shot is such a valuable shot.

Lets also remember the warriors have a MUCH stronger bench. That the bulls bench is much weaker defensively and with the greater effort that goes into guarding a warriors team, the bulls would need to use the bench to a higher degree than they traditionally did. That or they'd have starters fatigued in the 4th while the warriors would be much fresher.

I'm not saying btw that MJ doesn't score 40 a game in this series potentially. I'd guess more like 35 with 7 or 8 assists and decent rebounding numbers. I'm not saying Pippen doesn't get a few drives to the basket for dunks or that the bulls won't force turnovers and beat the warriors on the break. Nor am I saying the warriors win. But this is not some absurd one sided matchup.

[90sgoat]

Everything the bulls do well defensively the warriors won't be directly impacted by. We never saw Jordan or Pippen against an offense where they literally would not stop running. The warriors move the ball exceptionally well and their players are almost in constant motion.

Reggie Miller never stopped running, as in literally not once standing still in an entire game. He is also one of the greatest 3 point shooters in history. One of the toughest covers for MJ and Reggie could get of almost as crazy and quick shots as Curry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVClFfyP4cY

[dhsilv]

Reggie Miller never stopped running, as in literally not once standing still in an entire game. He is also one of the greatest 3 point shooters in history. One of the toughest covers for MJ and Reggie could get of almost as crazy and quick shots as Curry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVClFfyP4cY

I discuss a team, you bring up a player.

Edit.

Just since you brought him up. Klay is basically Reggie Miller for the warriors. He's a bit better shooter and he takes more shots. Reggie had some decent games against the bulls.

[Da_Realist]

All this crap is what people kept saying about the warriors last year. They won the title and are likely going to do the same thing this year.

Curry is not remotely as poor a defender as you keep making him out to be. They'd run a zone against the bulls and the triangle so Curry wouldn't really be guarding anyone at least by himself. Basketball isn't about one on one match ups and even when there were strict rules on man to man, teams still worked around it.

Rodman is going to be following Green to the 3 point line, pulling him away from the glass. Anyone the warriors put at center is a better rebounder than Luc and could score on him.

Yes Rodman could guard shaq in the post. He could guard Malone in the post. Green isn't anything like those two players and he's not really a guy who needs plays to add value on offense.

Everything the bulls do well defensively the warriors won't be directly impacted by. We never saw Jordan or Pippen against an offense where they literally would not stop running. The warriors move the ball exceptionally well and their players are almost in constant motion.

More over the warriors shoot 3's at a higher frequency than any team the bulls have faced. One of the perceived strengths of the bulls is their ability to rebound. I don't think they are nearly as dominate in that regard as you seem to, but lets also remember that 3 point misses have a MUCH higher rate of offensive rebounds. This is one of the many reasons the 3 point shot is such a valuable shot.

Lets also remember the warriors have a MUCH stronger bench. That the bulls bench is much weaker defensively and with the greater effort that goes into guarding a warriors team, the bulls would need to use the bench to a higher degree than they traditionally did. That or they'd have starters fatigued in the 4th while the warriors would be much fresher.

I'm not saying btw that MJ doesn't score 40 a game in this series potentially. I'd guess more like 35 with 7 or 8 assists and decent rebounding numbers. I'm not saying Pippen doesn't get a few drives to the basket for dunks or that the bulls won't force turnovers and beat the warriors on the break. Nor am I saying the warriors win. But this is not some absurd one sided matchup.

It's not about one-on-one, but it is about matchups. The Bulls are a matchup nightmare for GS. Curry isn't a huge defensive liability because he's a horrible defender, he's a huge defensive liability because the Bulls can exploit his lack of size. The Bulls are big on the perimeter and they played like it.

If the Bulls trot out MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman and Longley, who does Curry guard? We know Rodman and Longley are out of the question. If GS puts him on MJ, that's certain death. Pippen is way too big, long and athletic for Curry. And Kukoc would either post him up or shoot wide open jump shots. Curry is 6'3. Kukoc is 6'10". Curry wouldn't even be able to bother his shot. It would be target practice.

Why wouldn't the Bulls, one of the most intelligent teams, not exploit this every time down the floor? They would wear Curry down. That's good basketball. That's a huge disadvantage for GSW. Nobody else on GSW could dominate consistently enough to scare the Bulls. Especially considering the Bulls are considered one of the best perimeter defenders of all time.

[dhsilv]

It's not about one-on-one, but it is about matchups. The Bulls are a matchup nightmare for GS. Curry isn't a huge defensive liability because he's a horrible defender, he's a huge defensive liability because the Bulls can exploit his lack of size. The Bulls are big on the perimeter and they played like it.

If the Bulls trot out MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman and Longley, who does Curry guard? We know Rodman and Longley are out of the question. If GS puts him on MJ, that's certain death. Pippen is way too big, long and athletic for Curry. And Kukoc would either post him up or shoot wide open jump shots. Curry is 6'3. Kukoc is 6'10". Curry wouldn't even be able to bother his shot. It would be target practice.

Why wouldn't the Bulls, one of the most intelligent teams, not exploit this every time down the floor? They would wear Curry down. That's good basketball. That's a huge disadvantage for GSW. Nobody else on GSW could dominate consistently enough to scare the Bulls. Especially considering the Bulls are considered one of the best perimeter defenders of all time.

They'd play a zone, he'd be on MJ a lot. It is not certain death by any stretch. Go look at some the smaller and weaker guards who guarded MJ over the years.

Mean while Iggy is blowing past Toni breaking down the bulls defense (if we're just going to be absurdly simple in our analysis). As the bulls do not have as hot blocker....luc is not one, the warriors will do rather well going to the rim.

[Da_Realist]

They'd play a zone, he'd be on MJ a lot. It is not certain death by any stretch. Go look at some the smaller and weaker guards who guarded MJ over the years.

Stopped reading right there. :facepalm

First off...a zone? You think that would stop the Bulls?

Secondly...MJ would murder Curry. There really is no reason to elaborate. MJ within 4 games of a title vs...Curry? And this is 96 MJ -- the bulked up, physical, punish smaller, weaker defenders on the block MJ. Not the freewheeling, blowing by guys on the perimeter version. 96 - 98 MJ would be a matchup nightmare for GSW.

[FKAri]

It's not about one-on-one, but it is about matchups. The Bulls are a matchup nightmare for GS. Curry isn't a huge defensive liability because he's a horrible defender, he's a huge defensive liability because the Bulls can exploit his lack of size. The Bulls are big on the perimeter and they played like it.

If the Bulls trot out MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman and Longley, who does Curry guard? We know Rodman and Longley are out of the question. If GS puts him on MJ, that's certain death. Pippen is way too big, long and athletic for Curry. And Kukoc would either post him up or shoot wide open jump shots. Curry is 6'3. Kukoc is 6'10". Curry wouldn't even be able to bother his shot. It would be target practice.

Why wouldn't the Bulls, one of the most intelligent teams, not exploit this every time down the floor? They would wear Curry down. That's good basketball. That's a huge disadvantage for GSW. Nobody else on GSW could dominate consistently enough to scare the Bulls. Especially considering the Bulls are considered one of the best perimeter defenders of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrMZbuOBM8

Now imagine that guy on crack surrounded by world class players vs the Bulls

Here's what happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsz1GOkw4Q

[Da_Realist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrMZbuOBM8

Now imagine that guy on crack surrounded by world class players vs the Bulls

Here's what happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsz1GOkw4Q

1) Cleveland never beat Chicago (88, 89, 92, 93).

2) Cleveland had size (Nance, Daugherty, Hot Rod) that accompanied Mark and helped with defense and rebounding.

3) Early 90's Bulls were a different team than the 96-98 version. It doesn't matter which one was better but the 96-98 version of the team would be a bigger matchup issue for this year's GSW.

[dhsilv]

Stopped reading right there. :facepalm

First off...a zone? You think that would stop the Bulls?

Secondly...MJ would murder Curry. There really is no reason to elaborate. MJ within 4 games of a title vs...Curry? And this is 96 MJ -- the bulked up, physical, punish smaller, weaker defenders on the block MJ. Not the freewheeling, blowing by guys on the perimeter version. 96 - 98 MJ would be a matchup nightmare for GSW.

Yep. Who was guarding MJ in the finals? 1 inch taller 5 pound lighter point guard? Sure a better defender. John Starks from the knicks? Rex Chapman from miami?

And with your lineup, what stops the warriors from going with Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy, and Green? Are the bulls going to post Luc up? Who's Toni have the foot speed to play with? Rodman past his prime is now going to have to play Iggy or Barns on the wings?

Again the warriors are able to play to their strengths which aren't the bull's strengths.

MJ is clearly going to be MJ.

[FKAri]

I was being facetious but the Warriors style nullifies the strength of the Bulls perimeter D. I also get what you'r saying about size. That wouljd be a problem and could tip the series but at the same time Scottie/MJ's strengths were never chasing guys around screens. The Bulls would have problems defensively on the perimeter.

[Da_Realist]

Yep. Who was guarding MJ in the finals? 1 inch taller 5 pound lighter point guard? Sure a better defender. John Starks from the knicks? Rex Chapman from miami?

And with your lineup, what stops the warriors from going with Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy, and Green? Are the bulls going to post Luc up? Who's Toni have the foot speed to play with? Rodman past his prime is now going to have to play Iggy or Barns on the wings?

Again the warriors are able to play to their strengths which aren't the bull's strengths.

MJ is clearly going to be MJ.

Starks had Ewing and bruising power forwards backing him up. GSW is nowhere near the physical defensive team that NYK was.

And why would the Bulls care about Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy and Green? Curry would get you a few points, the other guys need a little more help. But still, Chicago is regarded as one of the top perimeter defensive teams in history.

Offensively speaking, the Bulls wouldn't have much of a problem scoring.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Bulls would win, but not sweep... I mean think about the fact that Pippen would be covering Curry :eek: We saw Curry struggle w/ Delly for a few games

[97 bulls]

Yep. Who was guarding MJ in the finals? 1 inch taller 5 pound lighter point guard? Sure a better defender. John Starks from the knicks? Rex Chapman from miami?

And with your lineup, what stops the warriors from going with Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy, and Green? Are the bulls going to post Luc up? Who's Toni have the foot speed to play with? Rodman past his prime is now going to have to play Iggy or Barns on the wings?

Again the warriors are able to play to their strengths which aren't the bull's strengths.

MJ is clearly going to be MJ.
Lol. Just the fact that you feel Iggy may have to be the Warriors go to guy speaks volumes. Iggy has never been much of a scorer even in his prime. He had to be goaded to shoot the ball vs Cleveland. And Rodman would shut down either one of those guys on the perimeter. Forget the age. Look at the results. Nolan Ryan was striking guys out with a 100 mile an hour fast ball in his 40s. Phil Jackson said Rodman was the best athlete he ever coached.

Starks and Chapman are terrible examples. Those guys were tuff, grimey and played defense. Jordan ate murdered them. Michael Jordan would kill Curry in the post. Even worse than he did Starks and Chapman. Remeber what Delavadova did in the Finals.

And just like the Warriors can play a zone so could the Bulls. Look at how much ground they covered not being able to play a zone. Coaches said the Bulls defense was like having an extra man out there.

Even though they didn't have shotblockers, they had guys that could draw charges. Rodman, Pippen, and Harper were excellent at doing this.

I just do see how the Warriors can compete

[97 bulls]

I was being facetious but the Warriors style nullifies the strength of the Bulls perimeter D. I also get what you'r saying about size. That wouljd be a problem and could tip the series but at the same time Scottie/MJ's strengths were never chasing guys around screens. The Bulls would have problems defensively on the perimeter.
Why would they have to chase??? They could simply switch. Id feel comfortable with all the Bulls switching on defense.

[FKAri]

Why would they have to chase??? They could simply switch. Id feel comfortable with all the Bulls switching on defense.

Ya they'd be all-time great when it came to switching (I think a guy like Rodman would be even better defensively in today's league) but I'm not confident they'd be able to handle such a pick and roll heavy team.

The problem with this matchup is that it basically is more about rules in 1996 vs rules in 2015 than it is about the team matchup. It's difficult to know what the Bulls would look like with modern rules.

[97 bulls]

Ya they'd be all-time great when it came to switching (I think a guy like Rodman would be even better defensively in today's league) but I'm not confident they'd be able to handle such a pick and roll heavy team.

The problem with this matchup is that it basically is more about rules in 1996 vs rules in 2015 than it is about the team matchup. It's difficult to know what the Bulls would look like with modern rules.
I am going based off todays rules. I think the Bulls would be better now defensively than back then. No great bigs and they can freely play a zone. Not to mention guys can't camp in the lane like they could under 96 rules. And teams today play small ball more. The Bulls can play small and still be big. They could trot out a roster with no one under 6'6. Put Rodman at center and Kukoc at PF. Not to mention teams today run more than in the 90s. Which again play into the Bulls strengths.

In my opinion. The Bulls pioneered small ball. But they were so good that they dominated a league full of great bigs.

[ralph_i_el]

Starks had Ewing and bruising power forwards backing him up. GSW is nowhere near the physical defensive team that NYK was.

And why would the Bulls care about Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy and Green? Curry would get you a few points, the other guys need a little more help. But still, Chicago is regarded as one of the top perimeter defensive teams in history.

Offensively speaking, the Bulls wouldn't have much of a problem scoring.
:wtf:

Why would the Bulls care about Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy and Green? Because that's 5 guys who are all a threat to pass, shoot, and score. Plus they can all switch on D. Unless you have a big that can exploit that (which the Bulls didn't) then you better ****ing worry :facepalm

shots from behind the arc were still worth 3 points in the 90's



Btw, since when were Draymond and Bogut not physical? Those dudes are mean.

[97 bulls]

:wtf:

Why would the Bulls care about Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy and Green? Because that's 5 guys who are all a threat to pass, shoot, and score. Plus they can all switch on D. Unless you have a big that can exploit that (which the Bulls didn't) then you better ****ing worry :facepalm

shots from behind the arc were still worth 3 points in the 90's



Btw, since when were Draymond and Bogut not physical? Those dudes are mean.
Dude. Bogut and Green are nowhere near Oakley, Ewing, and Mason.

[dhsilv]

Starks had Ewing and bruising power forwards backing him up. GSW is nowhere near the physical defensive team that NYK was.

And why would the Bulls care about Curry, Klay, Barns, Iggy and Green? Curry would get you a few points, the other guys need a little more help. But still, Chicago is regarded as one of the top perimeter defensive teams in history.

Offensively speaking, the Bulls wouldn't have much of a problem scoring.

Bongut is bigger than Ewing. Green is much bigger than Oakley. You do realize the nba as a whole is bigger than the 90's right? Player heights are about the same, but these guys are bigger and stronger on average. Not night and day freaking differences, but there's a difference.

[westsideozzie]

Any fool that thinks these Warriors are in the same stratosphere as the 96 bulls needs to have their head examined.

[dhsilv]

Lol. Just the fact that you feel Iggy may have to be the Warriors go to guy speaks volumes. Iggy has never been much of a scorer even in his prime. He had to be goaded to shoot the ball vs Cleveland. And Rodman would shut down either one of those guys on the perimeter. Forget the age. Look at the results. Nolan Ryan was striking guys out with a 100 mile an hour fast ball in his 40s. Phil Jackson said Rodman was the best athlete he ever coached.

Starks and Chapman are terrible examples. Those guys were tuff, grimey and played defense. Jordan ate murdered them. Michael Jordan would kill Curry in the post. Even worse than he did Starks and Chapman. Remeber what Delavadova did in the Finals.

And just like the Warriors can play a zone so could the Bulls. Look at how much ground they covered not being able to play a zone. Coaches said the Bulls defense was like having an extra man out there.

Even though they didn't have shotblockers, they had guys that could draw charges. Rodman, Pippen, and Harper were excellent at doing this.

I just do see how the Warriors can compete

They could run zone. But great 3 point shooting teams tend to be difficult to zone against, especially with guys who will take shots 30 feet out and do it fairly well.

The bulls really are weak with guards from the bench. Kerr is going to chase Curry? What happens if someone gets into foul trouble?

This is just not a bad matchup for the warriors. They won't win because MJ and Pippen are who they are, but those two would be pushed to their limits.

[dhsilv]

Why would they have to chase??? They could simply switch. Id feel comfortable with all the Bulls switching on defense.

because everyone on the warriors is in motion, not just curry and klay?

[97 bulls]

They could run zone. But great 3 point shooting teams tend to be difficult to zone against, especially with guys who will take shots 30 feet out and do it fairly well.

The bulls really are weak with guards from the bench. Kerr is going to chase Curry? What happens if someone gets into foul trouble?

This is just not a bad matchup for the warriors. They won't win because MJ and Pippen are who they are, but those two would be pushed to their limits.
Again. The Cavs almost beat the Warriors with their two best players missing. You wanna talk about guard depth???? The Cavs didnt even have their best guard. And they couldnt expose Curry on defense. Currys gonna have to play some defense vs Chicago. And you talk about depth? Where the Warriors depth? Lol Barbosa??? More importantly is the foul trouble. Thats where the Warrior's would be in trouble. How do the Warriors address the fact that Currys gonna have to actually guard someone in the post???? Without fouling. I mean the Bulls can shoot the three and cut too.

The Warriors had Mozgov looking like the second comming of Shaq out there. Mozgov is no better than Luc Longley. I Just dont see how GS has a chance other than hoisting 30 foot contested threes as you stated.

[97 bulls]

because everyone on the warriors is in motion, not just curry and klay?
I thought we were talking about Curry comming of screens.

[Hopper15]

Mozgov is a lot more skilled than Longley.

[97 bulls]

Mozgov is a lot more skilled than Longley.
Lol. He looks like he is when hes going against lesser talented centers.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Sweep? No way.

Extremely competitive series? Ofc.

Bulls with the win? Imo, definitely... In 6 games or so.

[Da_Realist]

I'd be surprised if GSW won one. I'd be shocked if they won two.

The late 90's Bulls really didn't play around. If Chicago saw a weakness, they zeroed in on it until their opponent broke down mentally. They were more ruthless in this aspect than even the early 90's version. Very mentally strong. And they had killer instinct. They blew out Shaq's Magic by 40 points in Game 1. Then fell behind by 18 points the next game and that defense led them all the way back. We're talking about Shaq and Penny here. They "struggled" to a 2-0 lead in the Finals, went to Seattle for Game 3 and before the Sonics could finish stretching they were down 34-16. And the Sonics were still outscored the rest of the game.

Most teams would notice a weakness and take advantage of it here and there. The Bulls would shine a flashlight on it and hammer at it until it broke. They were old school ruthless. Very 80's Detroit Pistons-like in their approach to games -- but with more length, athleticism and talent. They were not the type of team that would let Curry hide on defense and store up his energy to put in 40 on the other end. They would focus on him from tip to tip, being physical with him and using every trick in the book to frustrate the hell out of him. He's their spark and Chicago would know it. They were excellent at cutting off the head of the snake. Ask Mark Jackson or John Stockton.

[dhsilv]

Again. The Cavs almost beat the Warriors with their two best players missing. You wanna talk about guard depth???? The Cavs didnt even have their best guard. And they couldnt expose Curry on defense. Currys gonna have to play some defense vs Chicago. And you talk about depth? Where the Warriors depth? Lol Barbosa??? More importantly is the foul trouble. Thats where the Warrior's would be in trouble. How do the Warriors address the fact that Currys gonna have to actually guard someone in the post???? Without fouling. I mean the Bulls can shoot the three and cut too.

The Warriors had Mozgov looking like the second comming of Shaq out there. Mozgov is no better than Luc Longley. I Just dont see how GS has a chance other than hoisting 30 foot contested threes as you stated.

Fluke couple of games in the finals. That series was never going to the cavs.

And I'll take Mozgov every day of the week over Longley. Just like I'd take both warriors centers over him.

[JebronLames]

3 points> 2 points. Warriors win easily

[Shih508]

depends on which bench Steve Kerr sits on. If Kerr is on Bulls' bench then it's 4-0 in Bulls' favor

[kshutts1]

I think the Bulls would do the same thing the Cavs did. Go big

6'8 Pippen
6'6 Jordan
6'11 Kukoc
6'8 Rodman
7'2 Longley.

And then go after whoever Curry is guarding. He'd be in foul trouble by the second quarter

I think the Bulls would be even better today because they don't have to worry about playing man defense and they'd be playing in a league that doesnt have bigs like they did in the 90s
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If playing today, why not have Wennington at C? He was a better shooter than Longley by a mile. He was not the rebounder or defender that Longley was, but that's not super necessary against this Warriors team.

[Sarcastic]

Fluke couple of games in the finals. That series was never going to the cavs.

And I'll take Mozgov every day of the week over Longley. Just like I'd take both warriors centers over him.

If Lebron didn't choke the game winner in G1 the Cavs are up 3-0 and easily win the series. GS was on the ropes to a depleted Cavs team without 2 of the 3 best players.

[ShawkFactory]

If Lebron didn't choke the game winner in G1 the Cavs are up 3-0 and easily win the series. GS was on the ropes to a depleted Cavs team without 2 of the 3 best players.
I hate these what-ifs.

How do you know that the Warriors come out the exact same way in game 2 after losing game one instead? And how you do you know they come out the exact same way in game 3 being down 2-0 instead of tied at 1?

These speculations don't work, nor do they even make sense.

[Sarcastic]

I hate these what-ifs.

How do you know that the Warriors come out the exact same way in game 2 after losing game one instead? And how you do you know they come out the exact same way in game 3 being down 2-0 instead of tied at 1?

These speculations don't work, nor do they even make sense.


You don't know, but at the same time it's not fair to say that the Cavs' wins were flukes. Cavs were the better team for the first 3 games though. No fluke about that.

[ralph_i_el]

with more game than Ron Harper/
the bomb sparker/
rapper slash armed robber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yc0FY89CT4

The real question is do young and old Steve Kerr freak out and try to murder each other?

[Stockalone]

There is no way Bulls are losing it. seriously.

D end of floor match-ups:
Pip on Curry - please let us not even go there
Harper or Klay - easily closing him down - dude is 3&D that had one hot season
MJ on whomever they will put over there Barnes or Iggy - sorry not even a matchup
Rodman would beast Green in every single aspect to the point Green would relocate to Canada to avoid any further beating
Longley on Bogus - in case you insist - even

Kukoc, Kerr and Brown destroys their whole bench - Livingston, brazilian blur and other PG to SF that Warriors have

Caffey, Simpkins can easily go with McAdoo and Ezeli


Sorry, simple D, 1 on 1 - avoid switches on D where you can, just good old 90s defense and Curry would score his on volume shooting, the way bulls would allow him to and rest would be basically shut down. why is it even debatable.

In case of so praised double pick for SC....seriously, pip can rotate to Green and Rodman can push out curry far away from basket enough so rotation can occur (if necessary) and you have 3 ppl that can handle curry. if GSW would have plan to win series by shooting 30 footers off double screen, let them do that, doubt that would work.

:biggums: :sleeping :banghead: :confusedshrug:

[allball]

The Bulls wouldn't even make it to the finals in today's league

Cavs in 6

OMG. a team with not only arguably the greatest player of all time, arguably the greatest defensive SF, one of the best defensive PFs of all time, one of the best team defenses of all time, one of the deepest benches of all time and at least one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't even make the finals?

I'm done.

[Kvnzhangyay]

OMG. a team with not only arguably the greatest player of all time, arguably the greatest defensive SF, one of the best defensive PFs of all time, one of the best team defenses of all time, one of the deepest benches of all time and at least one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't even make the finals?

I'm done.

According to 3ball none of this is true :roll: