The best 40-year old ever

[3ball]

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MJ's stats in 2003 season:

20 ppg.. 6.1 rpg.. 3.8 apg.. 44.5% fg


MJ's stats after turning 40 on February 17th, 2003 (30 games):

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2% fg

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/2003/#1043-1072-sum:pgl_basic


Has anyone ever done better in the season they turned 40?
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[Smoke117]

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[3ball]

I take it this means no one can think of anyone to top MJ


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[Gus Hemmingway]

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[aj1987]

I take it this means no one can think of anyone to top MJ


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I can think of someone on top of him though.

*cough*you*cough*

[1987_Lakers]

I take it this means no one can think of anyone to top MJ


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You have severe mental issues, not joking either.

[SouBeachTalents]

You have severe mental issues, not joking either.

I honestly think he has aspergers

[FKAri]

Be honest 3ball, how many of your accounts have gotten banned from realgm?

[ShaqTwizzle]

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[SpecialQue]

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Also, you're a delusional piece of shit.

[zeerghit]

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MJ's stats in 2003 season:

20 ppg.. 6.1 rpg.. 3.8 apg.. 44.5% fg


MJ's stats after turning 40 on February 17th, 2003 (30 games):

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2% fg

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/2003/#1043-1072-sum:pgl_basic


Has anyone ever done better in the season they turned 40?
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u need a *****, but u will never had it. sad story.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Jordan took two years off though. That is a lot of wear and tear on his body that he didn't have to endure.

[3ball]

Jordan took two years off though. That is a lot of wear and tear on his body that he didn't have to endure.
His 2 years off cost him 2 rings, but the time off didn't help his performance when he came back.

Once you are past your athletic prime, your body atrophies quicker when you aren't active.

Look at 1995 - MJ was worse in 1995 than he would've been if he'd played in 1994.

[TiagoSimoes]

His 2 years off cost him 2 rings, but the time off didn't help his performance when he came back.

Once you are past your athletic prime, your body atrophies quicker when you aren't active.

Look at 1995 - MJ was worse in 1995 than he would've been if he'd played in 1994.

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[FKAri]

His 2 years off cost him 2 rings, but the time off didn't help his performance when he came back.

Once you are past your athletic prime, your body atrophies quicker when you aren't active.

Look at 1995 - MJ was worse in 1995 than he would've been if he'd played in 1994.

Answer my question phaggit

[Chokefree]

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[3ball]

Answer my question phaggit



MJ's stats after turning 40 are better than All-NBA Paul George in 2014:


MJ after turning 40 (30 games): 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2 fg
George in 2014 regular season:. 21.7 ppg.. 6.8 rpg.. 3.5 apg.. 42.6 fg

[ralph_i_el]

MJ's stats after turning 40 are better than All-NBA Paul George in 2014:


MJ after turning 40 (30 games): 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2 fg
George in 2014 regular season:. 21.7 ppg.. 6.8 rpg.. 3.5 apg.. 42.6 fg
nope.

PG took 3's and got to the line. His TS% was much higher than MJ's

46% is not very impressive when 80% of those shots are midrange jumpers.

[3ball]

PG took 3's and got to the line. His TS% was much higher than MJ's

46% is not very impressive when 80% of those shots are midrange jumpers.


That's exactly why it IS impressive.

It's common knowledge that midrange jumpers are the toughest shots in the game - they're more contested and much harder than stand-still, assisted 3-pointers (over 80% of George's 3-pointers were assisted).
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[FKAri]

MJ's stats after turning 40 are better than All-NBA Paul George in 2014:


MJ after turning 40 (30 games): 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2 fg
George in 2014 regular season:. 21.7 ppg.. 6.8 rpg.. 3.5 apg.. 42.6 fg

http://i.imgur.com/7XDp6Pe.gif


Answer my question phaggit

[3ball]

That's exactly why it IS impressive.

It's common knowledge that midrange jumpers are the toughest shots in the game - they're more contested and much harder than stand-still, assisted 3-pointers (over 80% of George's 3-pointers were assisted).
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Not only did MJ score the same as PG despite taking more contested shots, but he reached a higher level of performance:

MJ had three 40-point games against the #1, #5 and #7 defenses (NJN, IND, NOH), compared to only one 40-point game for George against the 16th ranked defense (POR)

Now why did MJ reach a higher level of performance?... Because he didn't rely on a more solvable three-pointer/layups shot allocation like PG.. :pimp:

[FKAri]

Answer my question phaggit

Answer my question phaggit

[3ball]

Answer my question phaggit


Not only did 40-year old MJ have better stats than 2014 Paul George, but he also had more big games, which proves he reached a higher level of performance.

But why did MJ reach a higher level of performance?... It's because he didn't rely on a more solvable three-pointer/layups shot allocation like PG..

Against better defenses like the playoffs, 3-and-D robots are much easier to stop than great midrange players... This has always been the case and always WILL be the case..

For example, the stats show Lebron's poor playoff efficiency was due SPECIFICALLY to his poor midrange efficiency... Imagine if Lebron had shot WELL at the 27 shots per game he took in 2015 playoffs.. Yikes - he would've averaged 45 per game.. Fortunately, we don't have to worry that from Lebron, because his midrange is bad - no surprise, since that's the toughest part of the game.
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[FKAri]

Not only did 40-year old MJ have better stats than 2014 Paul George, but he also had more big games, which proves he reached a higher level of performance.

But why did MJ reach a higher level of performance?... It's because he didn't rely on a more solvable three-pointer/layups shot allocation like PG..

Against better defenses, like the playoffs, a great midrange player is harder for a defense to stop than a 3-and-D robot... This has always been the case and always WILL be the case..

For example, the stats show Lebron's poor playoff efficiency was due SPECIFICALLY to his poor midrange efficiency... Imagine if Lebron had shot WELL at the high volume he took in 2015 playoffs.. Yikes.. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about that from Lebron.
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[Gus Hemmingway]

this dude 3ball is a certified loser :lol

[3ball]

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3 or 4.. They ban you for posting facts they don't like.. The facts I posted were that Lebron achieves his stats by lowering his teammates stats and preventing equal-opportunity playmaking, thus reducing the performance capacity of the team... I also said he isn't capable of good efficiency at high shot volume.. Apparently, these facts were unsettling.

Thread Cliffs: MJ's 2003 season is easily the best season a 40-year old has ever had.. Not only did he have better stats than 2014 Paul George, but he also had more big games than PG, which proves he reached a higher level of performance.

But why did MJ reach a higher level of performance?... It's because he relied on midrange, instead of the more solvable three-pointer/layups shot allocation like PG..

Against better defenses like the playoffs, 3-and-D robots are much easier to stop than great midrange players... This has always been the case and always WILL be the case..

For example, the stats show Lebron's poor playoff efficiency in 2015 was due specifically to his poor midrange efficiency... Imagine if Lebron had shot WELL at the 27 shots per game he took in 2015 playoffs.. Yikes - he would've averaged 45 per game.. Fortunately, we don't have to worry that from Lebron, because his midrange is bad - no surprise, since that's the toughest part of the game.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kareem after turning 40 (April 16)

19 games including playoffs which MJ wasnt good enough to get to

19/7/2/2 53% FG in 31 minutes

[sd3035]

this dude 3ball is a certified loser :lol

That av :roll:

[FKAri]

3 or 4..

It took 4 prompts for you to give a straight answer to my question. lmao. 3ball at his best

[3ball]

It took 4 prompts for you to give a straight answer to my question. lmao. 3ball at his best
cause ur a phaggit

[3ball]

Kareem after turning 40 (April 16)

19 games including playoffs which MJ wasnt good enough to get to

19/7/2/2 53% FG in 31 minutes



MJ. after turning 40 (30 games): 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2 fg
KAJ after turning 40 (17 games): 19.0 ppg.. 7.0 rpg.. 2.0 apg.. 53.0 fg


No comparison - KAJ averaged less rebounds than MJ for godsakes

Fun fact - MJ led the Wizards to 17 more wins when he joined the team.. That's 6 more than the 11 wins Bosh/Lebron improved the 2011 Heat.

[feyki]

MJ. after turning 40 (30 games): 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg.. 46.2 fg
KAJ after turning 40 (17 games): 19.0 ppg.. 7.0 rpg.. 2.0 apg.. 53.0 fg


No comparison - KAJ averaged less rebounds than MJ for godsakes

Fun fact - MJ led the Wizards to 17 more wins when he joined the team.. That's 6 more than the 11 wins Bosh/Lebron improved the 2011 Heat.

As a 38 years old ;

Kareem at finals - 26 pts , 9 rib , 5 ast , 1 stl , 1.5 blk , %63 TS

Jordan at regular season - 23 pts , 6 rib , 5 ast , 1.4 stl , 0.4 blk , %47 TS

[3ball]

Kareem after turning 40 (April 16)

19 games including playoffs which MJ wasnt good enough to get to

19/7/2/2 53% FG in 31 minutes
I decided to check your stats - and you lied - KAJ averaged 14 ppg and 5.5 rebounds in 1988 playoffs

[3ball]

As a 38 years old ;

Kareem at finals - 26 pts , 9 rib , 5 ast , 1 stl , 1.5 blk , %63 TS

Jordan at regular season - 23 pts , 6 rib , 5 ast , 1.4 stl , 0.4 blk , %47 TS
Jordan's stats were always higher in the playoffs, and even higher in the Finals, so you can just add a few points on top of his regular season average shown above.

Here are their stats as 40-year olds - regular season vs. regular season:

MJ. at 40: 20.0 ppg.. 6.1 rpg.. 3.5 apg.. 44.5%
KAJ at 40: 14.1 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 1.7 apg.. 53.2%


NO COMPARISON

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

If you honestly don't believe mileage matters at a certain age..... MJ at 40 was a fresher player than KAJ at 40. Kareem didn't have the luxury of hitting (or shall I say missing) baseballs being thrown and getting to basically rest for two years....

[3ball]

If you honestly don't believe mileage matters at a certain age..... MJ at 40 was a fresher player than KAJ at 40. Kareem didn't have the luxury of hitting (or shall I say missing) baseballs being thrown and getting to basically rest for two years....
Once you are past your athletic prime, your body atrophies quicker when you aren't active.

If Kareem had taken 2 years off at the age of 37, he barely would've been able to move by the time he was 39.

Look at MJ in 1995 - he was worse after 2 years off than he would've been if he'd played in 1994.

[TemporaMutantur]

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[dhsilv]

Kareem after turning 40 (April 16)

19 games including playoffs which MJ wasnt good enough to get to

19/7/2/2 53% FG in 31 minutes

Don't feed the troll, even if it was clearly the right answer and we all knew it.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Once you are past your athletic prime, your body atrophies quicker when you aren't active.

If Kareem had taken 2 years off at the age of 37, he barely would've been able to move by the time he was 39.

Look at MJ in 1995 - he was worse after 2 years off than he would've been if he'd played in 1994.

But not at age 40.... and that is the point. The wear and tear of the extra two years would have caused him to decline more than what you saw with the Wizards.

And I am not talking about him at 37... I was referring to him quitting at 30-31....

[ShaqTwizzle]

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[dhsilv]

Jordan's stats were always higher in the playoffs, and even higher in the Finals, so you can just add a few points on top of his regular season average shown above.

Here are their stats as 40-year olds - regular season vs. regular season:

MJ. at 40: 20.0 ppg.. 6.1 rpg.. 3.5 apg.. 44.5%
KAJ at 40: 14.1 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 1.7 apg.. 53.2%


NO COMPARISON

lol,

quoting so people see this one once he's told why this is so funny and edits his post.

[3ball]

Don't feed the troll, even if it was clearly the right answer and we all knew it.


That poster LIED about Kareem's stats - Kareem didn't average 19/7 after turning 40.. He averaged 15/6:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01/gamelog/1988/#195-222-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs


This pales compared to Jordan's 22/7 average... But apparently, you'd rather hate on 3ball than give credence to facts.. :facepalm ... pathetic

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/2003/#1043-1072-sum:pgl_basic
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[dhsilv]

That poster LIED about Kareem's stats - Kareem didn't average 19/7 after turning 40.. He averaged 15/6:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01/gamelog/1988/#195-222-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs


This pales compared to Jordan's 22/7 average... But apparently, you'd rather hate on 3ball than give credence to facts.. :facepalm ... pathetic

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/2003/#1043-1072-sum:pgl_basic
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Quoting against since this is so funny. Do you still not see what's wrong here?

Edit.

Oh wow, I looked at your link. That makes this all the better!

[TripleA]

Stockton,Kareem> Jordan
Impact>empty stats

[dhsilv]

Stockton,Kareem> Jordan
Impact>empty stats

if you use 3balls method, stocktion's stats are pretty sick.

12 games.

17 points per game, 9.6 assists, 33 minutes a game all while shooting over 60%. He dipped a bit in the playoffs but still played very well. Man, freaking alien.

[scandisk_]

No one cares to your recycled posts 3ball.

ish is better without you.

stick to realgm.... ohh wait :lol

[sdot_thadon]

lol,

quoting so people see this one once he's told why this is so funny and edits his post.
Yeah. :applause:

[Psileas]

That poster LIED about Kareem's stats - Kareem didn't average 19/7 after turning 40.. He averaged 15/6:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...basic_playoffs

Yes, but this covers Kareem's 1988 season, which would be the equivalent of Jordan also having played in 2004, which would definitely have dropped his own averages as a 40 y.o (even counting up to his 41st birthday in February instead of the whole season).

[SHAQisGOAT]

That poster LIED about Kareem's stats - Kareem didn't average 19/7 after turning 40.. He averaged 15/6:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01/gamelog/1988/#195-222-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs


This pales compared to Jordan's 22/7 average... But apparently, you'd rather hate on 3ball than give credence to facts.. :facepalm ... pathetic

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/2003/#1043-1072-sum:pgl_basic
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Kareem turned 40 just before the 1987 Playoffs :rolleyes: Why you posting 1987-88 regular-season stats, then? :confusedshrug:

In those Playoffs, Jabbar put up 19.2 / 6.8 / 2.0 / 0.4 / 1.9 on .600 TS%, in less than 32 minutes per game...
Helping one of the GOAT teams kill their way through the post-season, as their 3rd best scorer (2nd in per36min)... Winning the title, putting up 21.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG and 2.5 BPG on .552 TS% over the course of 6 Finals games, in less than 34 MPG.

So, I won't argue against MJ but it's totally plausible to call Kareem the best 40-year old ever.

[Smoke117]

Kareem >>>>>>>>> Jordan

[TemporaMutantur]

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3ball also loves MJ's impeccable style. :biggums:

[3ball]

So, I won't argue against MJ but it's totally plausible to call Kareem the best 40-year old ever.

In those Playoffs, Jabbar put up 19.2 / 6.8 / 2.0


Since when is that equal to MJ's 22.4 / 7.2 / 3.4?

Only if you're biased against MJ..

And in the 1988 season, where Kareem was 40 for the entire regular season, he only averaged 15/6.

[TomBrady]

If you want to see true greatness past 35, you're looking at it.

Jordan was a clown in his last two seasons, I'm still going strong as the GOAT at 38. MVP within reach, Super Bowl ring #5 looking likely, I'm not about putting up empty stats on a shitty team and ending my career with a whimper.

[3ball]

If you want to see true greatness past 35, you're looking at it.

Jordan was a clown in his last two seasons, I'm still going strong as the GOAT at 38. MVP within reach, Super Bowl ring #5 looking likely, I'm not about putting up empty stats on a shitty team and ending my career with a whimper.
That's factually incorrect - MJ's presence improved the exact same Wizards roster 19 games in 2002.. Compare that to the 11 wins Bosh/Lebron improved the 2011 Heat.

Also, this thread could give a **** about dumbass football... That's a sport for dummies, although basketball has turned that way too tbh (3-and-D dumbness).. But regardless, no 40 year-old in NBA history has dropped 20/6/4 on 45% and been an all-star like MJ did in 2003..

[TomBrady]

That's factually incorrect - MJ's presence improved the exact same Wizards roster 19 games in 2002.. Compare that to the 11 wins Bosh/Lebron improved the 2011 Heat.

Also, this thread could give a **** about dumbass football... That's a sport for dummies, although basketball has turned that way too tbh (3-and-D dumbness).. But regardless, no 40 year-old in NBA history has dropped 20/6/4 on 45% and been an all-star like MJ did in 2003..

Did he win a ring at 37 with an MVP for his performance in acquiring said ring? No? Interesting. Did he even make the playoffs? No again? Very interesting. He must have been in the MVP discussion in his latter years though, right? No again? Empty stats, what a sad excuse for a "star."

Football is considered a sport for dummies only by those without the mental faculties to understand its true complexity. Stay ignorant.

[3ball]

Did he win a ring at 37 with an MVP for his performance in acquiring said ring? No? Interesting. Did he even make the playoffs? No again?


MJ didn't play a single day in the league as a 37-year old.

apparently, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed... but again, you like football, sooooo...

Here are the facts - as a 40-year old, MJ averaged 22/7/3, compared to Kareem's 15/6/2
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[TomBrady]

MJ didn't play a single day in the league as a 37-year old.

apparently, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed... but again, you like football, sooooo...

Oh, because he was busy pussing out of the game for a second time? Damn, the man deserves no respect. Ended his career like a coward.

[3ball]

Oh, because he was busy pussing out of the game for a second time? Damn, the man deserves no respect. Ended his career like a coward.
MJ finished his career proving he could still drop 43 points on the #1 defense in the league.. He also averaged 20/6/4 on 45% for the year.

That's all-star caliber at 40 years old... Only MJ has played this well at 40.. Compare that to Kobe at 37... :facepalm ... Yikes...

No more arguments for Kobe vs. MJ anymore huh?... lol... It will be like that way for Lebron soon too, and all current NBA players.. The next MJ still hasn't happened.

[ImKobe]

Are we going to forget how he drafted the biggest bust of all time in Kwame Brown and destroyed all of his confidence? Are we going to forget he was kicked out of the Wizards after that very season?

Missed Playoffs, his "big moment" in the ASG ruined by Kobe, sent to retirement with 42 points in one half by yours truly.

[TomBrady]

No ring at 37? Two retirements and still couldn't carry his team to anything past his physical peak? Disappointing.

[LBJFTW]

Lol just when the ISH community thinks that 3ball has posted everything there is to know about Jordan, he comes up with another MJ fun fact and knocks your socks straight up your fvcking ass!

"Best 40 year old to ever play"

This is GOLD!

Poor Kobe and Letard fans all sore because 3ball done came at em with the quickness and left em with nuttin but toe tags.

:roll: :cheers: :roll:

[3ball]

No ring at 37?


MJ didn't play a single day in the league as a 37-year old.

apparently, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed... but again, you like football, sooooo...

Here are the facts - as a 40-year old, MJ averaged 22/7/3, compared to Kareem's 15/6/2



Two retirements and still couldn't carry his team to anything past his physical peak? Disappointing.
Everyone knows that Jordan three-peated from 1996-1998 when he was past his physical prime..Plus 2 MVP's... 3 FMVPs... Scoring champ 3 more times..

And all the goat clutch plays that will play long after Lebron retires... :pimp:...

Otoh, Lebron doesn't have any big playoff shots, so he'll be forgotten, while MJ's legendary shots will still be playing in 2025... It will be like Lebron never played at all.. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Lol just when the ISH community thinks that 3ball has posted everything there is to know about Jordan, he comes up with another MJ fun fact and knocks your socks straight up your fvcking ass!

"Best 40 year old to ever play"

This is GOLD!

Poor Kobe and Letard fans all sore because 3ball done came at em with the quickness and left em with nuttin but toe tags.

:roll: :cheers: :roll:
https://desperateandunrehearsed.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/leo-shrug.gif

[TomBrady]

Jordan wimped out of the league twice and still wasn't able to display true longevity by winning past age 35.

Exactly.

[Alan Ogg]

Wow guys. So arguably the two best players of all time in Jordan and Kareem are among the best players in a small sample size post 40 years old. Shocker.

[dunksby]

Kareem>>Jordan
KAJ didn't take a sabbatical to play ****ing baseball :lol

[Smoke117]

Kareem>>Jordan
KAJ didn't take a sabbatical to play ****ing baseball :lol


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[kennethgriffin]

kareem at age 40 won his 6th nba championship while anchoring his teams defense and chipping in 15ppg


thats more important than stat padding on the lottery bound washington bullets



put 88 kareem on the 2003 jizzards in the shitty east and they probly make the playoffs

[Smoke117]

kareem at age 40 won his 6th nba championship while anchoring his teams defense and chipping in 15ppg


thats more important than stat padding on the lottery bound washington bullets



put 88 kareem on the 2003 jizzards in the shitty east and they probly make the playoffs


And Kobe will be retired and be a repeat cheating scum bag on his wife at 40, chasing his youth and making a joke out of himself...how does that make you feel? I mean it has to be devastating as Kobe's well being is related to yours, you joke, you.

[kennethgriffin]

And Kobe will be retired and be a repeat cheating scum bag on his wife at 40, chasing his youth and making a joke out of himself...how does that make you feel? I mean it has to be devastating as Kobe's well being is related to yours, you joke, you.


unlike jordan. kobes family still loves him


jordans wife ran off with the kids and 500 mill

jordans dad is dead and burried because of michaels gambling issues


while vanessa, joe and the kids are still standing by kobes side

[bdreason]

Kareem posted 18/7/3/1/1 on 56/71% while anchoring the defense and winning a title at the age of 40. Not really surprising considering KAJ is the true GOAT.

[Mr Feeny]

Kareem posted 18/7/3/1/1 on 56/71% while anchoring the defense and winning a title at the age of 40. Not really surprising considering KAJ is the true GOAT.

"Anchoring". Yeah, okay.

[feyki]

Jordan's stats were always higher in the playoffs, and even higher in the Finals, so you can just add a few points on top of his regular season average shown above.

Here are their stats as 40-year olds - regular season vs. regular season:

MJ. at 40: 20.0 ppg.. 6.1 rpg.. 3.5 apg.. 44.5%
KAJ at 40: 14.1 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 1.7 apg.. 53.2%


NO COMPARISON

Jordan wasn't make playoffs and Kareem been fmvp at 38 years old , real "no comprasion" is that :oldlol: .

[Smoke117]

unlike jordan. kobes family still loves him


jordans wife ran off with the kids and 500 mill

jordans dad is dead and burried because of michaels gambling issues


while vanessa, joe and the kids are still standing by kobes side

My response to you was tongue in cheek, making fun of you...but...wow, you really take all this, so seriously? Then again you are the one who was defending kobe's dick size just a couple months ago, after all. *cringe*

[diamenz]

3ball makes me embarrassed to be an mj fan around this bitch.

[ShaqTwizzle]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/1llhill/Mobile%20Uploads/Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office_zps54021bf8.gif

[OnFire]

22 and 7 gives you max dollars in 2015/16

[catch24]

Either him or Kareem.

But the fact KAJ's production came in the playoffs, while actually getting his numbers efficiently, might give him the slight edge here.

[Springsteen]

Found this picture under 3ball's pillow. Felt kinda sticky and crusty.

http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/images/celeb-jordan_michael/jordan_large/jordan_001.jpg

[3ball]

Either him or Kareem.

But the fact KAJ's production came in the playoffs, while actually getting his numbers efficiently, might give him the slight edge here.
Kareem was 40 years old during the 1988 season, from October 1987 to April 1988 - that's the entire season - his stats were 15/6.

Jordan's averages as a 40-year old were 22/7... You do the math.

[ShawkFactory]

Kareem was 40 years old during the 1988 season, from October 1987 to April 1988 - that's the entire season - his stats were 15/6.

Jordan's averages as a 40-year old were 22/7... You do the math.
While taking only 11 shots per game on a great team :lol

And I don't even understand the point of this thread. It makes sense that the greatest PLAYER ever would also be the best 40-year-old.

Weirdo

[kennethgriffin]

Kareem was 40 years old during the 1988 season, from October 1987 to April 1988 - that's the entire season - his stats were 15/6.

Jordan's averages as a 40-year old were 22/7... You do the math.


you act as if kareem wouldnt average 7 more points on the 2003 wizards


did 2003 wizards jordan also have a better year than bill russell ever had due to him never averaging over 18ppg and having won 6 of his 11 titles with 15ppg or less?

[ralph_i_el]

22 and 7 gives you max dollars in 2015/16

not on sub 50% TS

If you aren't a part owner, you aren't even allowed to play when you chuck that badly....or so I thought until Kobe came around this season :facepalm

40 year old MJ has 6000 less regular season minutes than 37 year old Kobe.

Doing well at age 40 gets an * if you took off almost 5 seasons during your career.

[dankok8]

Let us compare entire seasons.

at 38/39 years old:

2001-2002 Jordan: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg on 41.6 %FG/46.8 %TS in 34.9 mpg

1985-1986 Kareem: 23.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.5 apg on 56.4 %FG/60.3 %TS in 33.3 mpg

PS 1986 Kareem: 25.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.5 apg on 55.7 %FG/58.6 %TS in 34.9 mpg

at 39/40 years old:

2002-2003 Jordan: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg on 44.5 %FG/49.1 %TS in 37.0 mpg

1986-1987 Kareem: 17.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.6 apg on 56.4 %FG/59.7 %TS in 31.3 mpg

PS 1987 Kareem: 19.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg on 53.0 %FG/60.0 %TS in 31.1 mpg

There is no doubt that Kareem was the better player. The gap in efficiency is enormous and Kareem actually put up these numbers on a contender for all it's worth.

[catch24]

Let us compare entire seasons.

at 38/39 years old:

2001-2002 Jordan: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg on 41.6 %FG/46.8 %TS in 34.9 mpg

1985-1986 Kareem: 23.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.5 apg on 56.4 %FG/60.3 %TS in 33.3 mpg

PS 1986 Kareem: 25.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.5 apg on 55.7 %FG/58.6 %TS in 34.9 mpg

at 39/40 years old:

2002-2003 Jordan: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg on 44.5 %FG/49.1 %TS in 37.0 mpg

1986-1987 Kareem: 17.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.6 apg on 56.4 %FG/59.7 %TS in 31.3 mpg

PS 1987 Kareem: 19.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg on 53.0 %FG/60.0 %TS in 31.1 mpg

There is no doubt that Kareem was the better player. The gap in efficiency is enormous and Kareem actually put up these numbers on a contender for all it's worth.

Basically. Not sure why 3ball asked me to "look at the numbers" when Kareem has a massive gap in efficiency (just as I said)...

:hammerhead:

[3ball]

PS 1987 Kareem: 19.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg


These are Kareem's stats at 40 years old... Plus the 15/6 he averaged in 1988 season.

And they don't compare to 40-year old Jordan's 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg

Btw, you're giving Kareem props for being 8th fiddle, which his ridiculous - Kareem was not the #1 option for MOST of his rings... Infact, he was only #1 option for 1 or 2 of his rings... that's pathetic compared to MJ - Kareem averaged like 23 ppg for his Laker rings, while MJ averaged 33

[ShawkFactory]

These are Kareem's stats at 40 years old... Plus the 15/6 he averaged in 1988 season.

And they don't compare to 40-year old Jordan's 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg

Btw, you're giving Kareem props for being 8th fiddle, which his ridiculous - Kareem was not the #1 option for MOST of his rings... Infact, he was only #1 option for 1 or 2 of his rings... that's pathetic compared to MJ - Kareem averaged like 23 ppg for his Laker rings, while MJ averaged 33
aaannnnnd now 3ball is upset :lol

[feyki]

Let us compare entire seasons.

at 38/39 years old:

2001-2002 Jordan: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg on 41.6 %FG/46.8 %TS in 34.9 mpg

1985-1986 Kareem: 23.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.5 apg on 56.4 %FG/60.3 %TS in 33.3 mpg

PS 1986 Kareem: 25.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.5 apg on 55.7 %FG/58.6 %TS in 34.9 mpg

at 39/40 years old:

2002-2003 Jordan: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg on 44.5 %FG/49.1 %TS in 37.0 mpg

1986-1987 Kareem: 17.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.6 apg on 56.4 %FG/59.7 %TS in 31.3 mpg

PS 1987 Kareem: 19.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg on 53.0 %FG/60.0 %TS in 31.1 mpg

There is no doubt that Kareem was the better player. The gap in efficiency is enormous and Kareem actually put up these numbers on a contender for all it's worth.


İt's clearly :rockon: .

[3ball]

İt's clearly :rockon:



Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



It's clearly :rockon:

[feyki]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



It's clearly :rockon:

What about 38 years old?

[The.Juice]

Kareem>Jordan
:applause:

[dankok8]

These are Kareem's stats at 40 years old... Plus the 15/6 he averaged in 1988 season.

And they don't compare to 40-year old Jordan's 22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg.. 3.4 apg

Btw, you're giving Kareem props for being 8th fiddle, which his ridiculous - Kareem was not the #1 option for MOST of his rings... Infact, he was only #1 option for 1 or 2 of his rings... that's pathetic compared to MJ - Kareem averaged like 23 ppg for his Laker rings, while MJ averaged 33

In the seasons Kareem turned 39 and 40, he was clearly a better player than Jordan at that same age.

Sorry bro... You have no clue what you're talking about.

[HoopologyPhD]

I didn't read the rest of the posts, why is there a thread dedicated to Kevin Willis?

[3ball]

.
Kareem's supporting cast compared to Michael's:


Magic destroys Pippen

Worthy destroys Grant

20 ppg Byron Scott destroys Paxson

DPOY Michael Cooper destroys BJ Armstrong

All-star AC Green, Rambis, Mycal Thompson destroys Cartwright


MJ carried a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger load than Kareem and had vastly superior stats - it isn't remotely close... Kareem played on the most stacked team of all-time, other than Russell's Celtics..

Btw, his Lakers played at a 101 pace, compared to 88 for Wizards.. So Kareem's stats should be reduced by 13%, which makes MJ's stats even more superior than they already were.

[bdreason]

What's hilarious about this thread is that 3ball, while trying to hype MJ again, only gave more support to Kareem as the true GOAT.

Kareem's number of titles without Magic = 1

Jordan's number of titles without Pippen = 0

[feyki]

.
Kareem's supporting cast compared to Michael's:


12 ppg Oscar destroys Pippen

35 years old Goodrich destroys Grant

Cazzie Russel destroys 96 playoffs Mvp Rodman

Earl Tatum , i guees he is son of the Reece Tatum . destroys BJ Armstrong

Bunch of 77 Lakers guys destroys Cartwright,Oakley,Ron Harper


MJ carried a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger load than Kareem and had vastly superior stats - it isn't remotely close... Kareem played on the most stacked team of all-time, other than Russell's Celtics..

Btw, his Lakers played at a 101 pace, compared to 88 for Wizards.. So Kareem's stats should be reduced by 13%, which makes MJ's stats even more superior than they already were.

..

[sdot_thadon]

Let us compare entire seasons.

at 38/39 years old:

2001-2002 Jordan: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg on 41.6 %FG/46.8 %TS in 34.9 mpg

1985-1986 Kareem: 23.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.5 apg on 56.4 %FG/60.3 %TS in 33.3 mpg

PS 1986 Kareem: 25.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.5 apg on 55.7 %FG/58.6 %TS in 34.9 mpg

at 39/40 years old:

2002-2003 Jordan: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg on 44.5 %FG/49.1 %TS in 37.0 mpg

1986-1987 Kareem: 17.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.6 apg on 56.4 %FG/59.7 %TS in 31.3 mpg

PS 1987 Kareem: 19.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg on 53.0 %FG/60.0 %TS in 31.1 mpg

There is no doubt that Kareem was the better player. The gap in efficiency is enormous and Kareem actually put up these numbers on a contender for all it's worth.
:applause: great post. Game over.

[3ball]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



MJ is obviously better as a 40-year old - the thread is about performance AFTER 40 dumbasses

[feyki]

Pathetic troll :facepalm

[TomBrady]

Kareem is the best 40 year old ever. That will change in two years but for now he has the title locked down.

[3ball]

Kareem is the best 40 year old ever.


Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg


I just post the facts - it's your job as a delusional hater to twist them

[catch24]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg


I just post the facts - it's your job as a delusional hater to twist them

Jordan retired at 40 years and 58 days old.

The same age Kareem had a better playoff run, and later played another season where he was ACTUALLY 41.

[TomBrady]

Post their playoff stats.

[3ball]

Jordan retired at 40 years and 58 days old.

The same age Kareem had a better playoff run, and later played another season where he was ACTUALLY 41.

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



Jordan was the better 40-year old.. There's no way around it

[catch24]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg

Once more...

From 40 years old to 40 years and 58 days of age, Jordan had worse stats and retired.

From 40 years old to 40 years and 58 days of age, Kareem had more impressive stats in the playoffs, won a championship, and played another season where he was actually 41.

[aj1987]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



Jordan was the better 40-year old.. There's no way around it
No he wasn't, you flaming homo.

[dhsilv]

Once more...

From 40 years old to 40 years and 58 days of age, Jordan had worse stats and retired.

From 40 years old to 40 years and 58 days of age, Kareem had more impressive stats in the playoffs, won a championship, and played another season where was actually 41.

You could try showing totals, like how Kareem scored twice as many points, but really do what I did and put this joker on ignore. It's much better when you see his posts to already see someone making fun of him.

[3ball]

Once more...

From 40 years old to 40 years and 58 days of age, Jordan had worse stats and retired.


MJ's 22/7 > Kareem's 15/6

No one cares about Kareem accumulating rings by being on the most stacked team ever..

Kareem was 15/6 as a 40-year old, while MJ was 22/7 as a 40-year old.

Case closed... End of story.

[catch24]

MJ's 22/7 > Kareem's 15/6

No one cares about Kareem accumulating rings by being on the most stacked team ever..

Kareem was 15/6 as a 40-year old, while MJ was 22/7 as a 40-year old.

Case closed... End of story.

That's not what Kareem averaged during the years I pointed out, which is the most fair way to do an AGE comparison.

Sorry dude, Kareem in the playoffs > Jordan in the regular-season

[3ball]

That's not what Kareem averaged during the years I pointed out, which is the most fair if we're doing age comparisons.

Sorry dude, Kareem in the playoffs > Jordan in the regular-season
Kareem's averaged 15/6 from April 16th, 1987 (his 40th birthday), thru April 16th, 1988 (his 41st birthday).

That includes his 1987 playoff run and the 1988 regular season.

Otoh, Jordan's averages after turning 40 were 22/7..

No comparison

[dankok8]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg



Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



Jordan was the better 40-year old.. There's no way around it

Ok but by your crazy age comparisons, Kareem is the WAY better 38 and 39 year old player. There is no escaping that Kareem had better longevity than MJ.

[3ball]

Kareem's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

15.4 ppg.. 6.1 rpg


Jordan's stats from 40th birthday until 41st birthday:

22.4 ppg.. 7.2 rpg



Jordan was the better 40-year old.. There's no way around it




Ok but by your crazy age comparisons, Kareem is the WAY better 38 and 39 year old player. There is no escaping that Kareem had better longevity than MJ.


Apparently not, since Kareem was a 15/6 player at 40 years old, whereas MJ was a 22/7 player at 40.

[BarberSchool]

Kareem was better overall at 40.
Winning chips with more modest numbers.

[TomBrady]

I found Kareem's age 40 playoff stats but for some reason I wasn't able to find Jordan's.

[3ball]

I found Kareem's age 40 playoff stats but for some reason I wasn't able to find Jordan's.
Kareem was riding coattails to another Finals run on a stacked team... just like his entire career.

Kareem only won a championship once as the main guy.... He's 1/6

[TomBrady]

So you're saying that Jordan didn't even make the playoffs at 40? That seals the deal.

Kareem, and even Duncan, have superior longevity to Jordan because they didn't put up empty stats on a garbage team. They played winning basketball.

[kennethgriffin]

Post their playoff stats.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/506/cringe.jpg

[3ball]

So you're saying that Jordan didn't even make the playoffs at 40? That seals the deal.

Kareem, and even Duncan, have superior longevity to Jordan because they didn't put up empty stats on a garbage team. They played winning basketball.
What are we, 3 years old???.... No one is taking your argument about Kareem making the playoffs seriously - Kareem was literally the 5th option and averaging a role player-like 15/6.

Meanwhile, MJ's far superior 22/7 wasn't empty, since the Wizards won 19 more games when MJ arrived on the team... Unless you think 19 wins aren't worth anything.. Compare that to the 11 wins that Lebron and Bosh added to the 2011 Heat...

But don't be surprised that MJ was worth more wins - his style fosters optimal chemistry - how else could the 1996 Bulls win 72 games and have the greatest team ORtg of all time with only 3 guys in double figures (MJ was at 30.7.. Pip 16.9... Kukoc 10.1... Everyone else between 3 and 8 ppg)????

How else could MJ 3-peat with his 1991-1993 cast, which had even less talent?... Chemistry, that's how - when the scoring champ gets most of his points off-ball and quickly, that fosters optimal chemistry and allows equal-opportunity (the best brand of basketball).
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[BIZARRO]

I don't really mean to add more flame to this thread, but I found this interesting:

MJ after turning 40: 22.4 7.2 3.4 46.2%
Kobe career: 25.3 5.3 4.8 45.1%

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.....Close.

[Gileraracer]

TomBrady better not answer at all unless you want to make a complete jerk out of yourself

[sdot_thadon]

What are we, 3 years old???.... No one is taking your argument about Kareem making the playoffs seriously - Kareem was literally the 5th option and averaging a role player-like 15/6.

Meanwhile, MJ's far superior 22/7 wasn't empty, since the Wizards won 19 more games when MJ arrived on the team... Unless you think 19 wins aren't worth anything.. Compare that to the 11 wins that Lebron and Bosh added to the 2011 Heat...

But don't be surprised that MJ was worth more wins - his style fosters optimal chemistry - how else could the 1996 Bulls win 72 games and have the greatest team ORtg of all time with only 3 guys in double figures (MJ was at 30.7.. Pip 16.9... Kukoc 10.1... Everyone else between 3 and 8 ppg)????

How else could MJ 3-peat with his 1991-1993 cast, which had even less talent?... Chemistry, that's how - when the scoring champ gets most of his points off-ball and quickly, that fosters optimal chemistry and allows equal-opportunity (the best brand of basketball).
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Yet his style wasn't quite optimal enough to make the playoffs without phil, scottie, and rodamn.......

[ralph_i_el]

What are we, 3 years old???.... No one is taking your argument about Kareem making the playoffs seriously - Kareem was literally the 5th option and averaging a role player-like 15/6.

Meanwhile, MJ's far superior 22/7 wasn't empty, since the Wizards won 19 more games when MJ arrived on the team... Unless you think 19 wins aren't worth anything.. Compare that to the 11 wins that Lebron and Bosh added to the 2011 Heat...

But don't be surprised that MJ was worth more wins - his style fosters optimal chemistry - how else could the 1996 Bulls win 72 games and have the greatest team ORtg of all time with only 3 guys in double figures (MJ was at 30.7.. Pip 16.9... Kukoc 10.1... Everyone else between 3 and 8 ppg)????

How else could MJ 3-peat with his 1991-1993 cast, which had even less talent?... Chemistry, that's how - when the scoring champ gets most of his points off-ball and quickly, that fosters optimal chemistry and allows equal-opportunity (the best brand of basketball).
.


Kareem was the 5th option when he was averaging 15ppg and had 20% usg?

don't be retarded

Post MJ's playoff stats at 40

0/0/0 on 0% shooting :applause:

[Mrofir]

What the hell is going on here? Have the toddlers completely taken over?


I haven't been around alot so maybe 3ball posts incessantly on the same subject, and I noticed a critique of Lebron that I think is off base. His finals performance last year cemented his legacy as a top 10-12 player and he has room and time to climb much higher.


But the OP seems completely reasonable to me, and no less interesting than the average thread on this website.


All the backlash seems twilight zone to me. Some of you seem to be criticizing him for making a point that is fairly obvious, while at the same time contesting his point of view. This is called haters gonna hate.

I'm not saying this is the best OP ever, but it's far from the worst. I always enjoy my time here and then inevitably take long breaks because the hate flows strongly here and it does get old after a while..

[dhsilv]

The op is lost from reality and makes ten mj threads a day to the point mj fans kind of hate him. Add in Kareem is clearly better and the op will just repost bad stats over and over and over to make his failed point.

[TomBrady]

15/6 > 0/0/0 on 0% shooting. Case closed.

[riseagainst]

Post their playoff stats.


http://i.imgur.com/GpLtCWM.gif

[3ball]

Yet his style wasn't quite optimal enough to make the playoffs without phil, scottie, and rodamn.......
What are we, 3 years old???.... No one is taking the argument about Kareem making the playoffs seriously - Kareem was literally the 5th option on a stacked team and averaging a role player 15/6.

Meanwhile, MJ averaged 22/7 as a 40-year old... These far superior stats weren't empty, since the Wizards won 19 more games when MJ arrived on the team... Unless you think 19 wins aren't worth anything.. Compare that to the 11 wins that Lebron and Bosh added to the 2011 Heat...

But don't be surprised that MJ was worth more wins - his style fosters optimal chemistry - how else could the 1996 Bulls win 72 games and have the greatest team ORtg of all time with only 3 guys in double figures (MJ was at 30.7.. Pip 16.9... Kukoc 10.1... Everyone else between 3 and 8 ppg)????

How else could MJ 3-peat with his 1991-1993 cast, which had even less talent?... Chemistry, that's how - when the scoring champ gets most of his points off-ball and quickly, that fosters optimal chemistry and allows equal-opportunity (the best brand of basketball).

[sdot_thadon]

his style fosters optimal chemistry
If only he could've used his goat level chemist skills to mix some ingredients together and make the playoffs......

[3ball]

If only he could've used his goat level chemist skills to mix some ingredients together and make the playoffs......
You need sufficient talent on your team to do that, like what Kareem had.

But MJ never underachieved given the talent he had on his team... Ever.. He improved the Wizards 19 games in 2002 - that's actually an overachievement.

[sdot_thadon]

You need sufficient talent on your team to do that, like what Kareem had.

But MJ never underachieved given the talent he had on his team... Ever.. He improved the Wizards 19 games in 2002 - that's actually an overachievement.
In what may have been the worst eastern conference ever no less........ not buying it bro.

[3ball]

not buying it bro.


Oh no - it's true - MJ improved the Wizards 19 games in 2002, and it was the exact same roster from 2001.

Again - MJ never underachieved given the talent he had on his team... Ever.. This is because his off-ball, quick-decision game fosters optimal chemistry.

The 19 games he improved the Wizards was actually an overachievement, especially at 39 years old.

[sdot_thadon]

Oh no - it's true - MJ improved the Wizards 19 games in 2002, and it was the exact same roster from 2001.

Again - MJ never underachieved given the talent he had on his team... Ever.. This is because his off-ball, quick-decision game fosters optimal chemistry.

The 19 games he improved the Wizards was actually an overachievement, especially at 39 years old.
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He could improve them hoes by 30 games but if he can't even make the playoffs in an east when the 1 seed only won 50 games it's irrelevant.

[dunksby]

3ball murdered :oldlol:

[3ball]

He could improve them hoes by 30 games but if he can't even make the playoffs in an east when the 1 seed only won 50 games it's irrelevant.
nah... improving a team 19 games at 39 years old is goat

just like MJ's 22/7 at 40 years old is goat.
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