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Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 02:09 AM

**** these pansy ass liberals!

They ain't never walked a mile in deez boots fam!

They ain't battle tested!

All Theory

No PRACTICE!!!

The thing is, they're entitled to have their opinions, as should anyone be to have differing opinions.

The problem in America right now is that employers want EVERYONE as a customer and they want EVERYONE'S money, so they refuse to allow their employees to speak out on important issues if someone might disagree with them or take offense.

This is a harmful modus operandi for society. It's creating a culture of coercion and censorship. And if we continue to support businesses that promote such a system, it will only continue to snowball.

People need to start businesses that are in some way concerned with social health and not just the bottom line.

I want to start one of these businesses, with the idea that if it's successful, others will follow suit.

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 02:09 AM

stalker hasn't been here that long clearly

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 02:10 AM

Shouldn't have given your name.

I found your facebook, OP...https://www.facebook.com/steve.birkin.5

:lol

Here you go: https://www.facebook.com/boycottpoliticalcorrectness

Like, comment, and share!

bigkingsfan

11-16-2015, 02:12 AM

Just gave you 15k, check is in the mail.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 02:17 AM

Just gave you 15k, check is in the mail.

It's a shame you aren't sincere about this, because obviously I am soliciting donations for the actual startup costs which aren't cheap.

The idea is to just begin with T-shirts and bumper stickers with slogans on them to get people interested, get the word out, and get a little bit of revenue circulating. But if enough people support the concept, it can grow as a legitimate online retailer and hopefully begin to change the landscape of how businesses are allowing their employees to operate in the social dialogue. It's more important now than ever that we allow people to do this.

People have to vote with their dollars. That's what we aren't doing in this country. We need to support businesses that will support us.

DonD13

11-16-2015, 02:36 AM

:oldlol: :oldlol:

warriorfan

11-16-2015, 02:40 AM

cringe

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 02:45 AM

cringe

Cringe all you want. Obviously I know what kind of comments I'm in for by posting something like this here.

But it's something I think is important and I'm in fact quite serious about making it happen.

poido123

11-16-2015, 03:15 AM

The thing is, they're entitled to have their opinions, as should anyone be to have differing opinions.

The problem in America right now is that employers want EVERYONE as a customer and they want EVERYONE'S money, so they refuse to allow their employees to speak out on important issues if someone might disagree with them or take offense.

This is a harmful modus operandi for society. It's creating a culture of coercion and censorship. And if we continue to support businesses that promote such a system, it will only continue to snowball.

People need to start businesses that are in some way concerned with social health and not just the bottom line.

I want to start one of these businesses, with the idea that if it's successful, others will follow suit.

Good for you man. I'd support it :applause:

The biggest issue is, people don't want to think for themselves. They're instantly reaching for the KFC, before they will cook a home cooked meal.

Which means, whatever is the easiest option, people will follow. To change people's mindsets is incredibly hard and you have to model it so the simpletons latch on quickly.

The one's who do give enough of a damn, come out of university and run the country. Unfortunately, most of these people base their knowledge out of a textbook and no actual experience in the world.

DonD13

11-16-2015, 03:20 AM

Good for you man. I'd support it :applause:

:durantunimpressed:

it's still $0

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 03:24 AM

Good for you man. I'd support it :applause:

The biggest issue is, people don't want to think for themselves. They're instantly reaching for the KFC, before they will cook a home cooked meal.

Which means, whatever is the easiest option, people will follow. To change people's mindsets is incredibly hard and you have to model it so the simpletons latch on quickly.

The one's who do give enough of a damn, come out of university and run the country. Unfortunately, most of these people base their knowledge out of a textbook and no actual experience in the world.

Definitely, and I mean I think it's natural for all of us to sort gravitate to things that engage us, rather than things that have a kind of dry, city-council-meeting type of feel. That's why I want to create a business that takes the lead on social issues, rather than tries to hide in the corner from all controversy.

Businesses and public figures have so much power and sway in our world, and so few of them are willing to use it for the public good. Their only concern is appealing to more people, and to new people, and generating more and more revenue. I know I'd rather support a business that has my interests, and my community's interests in mind, and will stand by them and help to be mutually supportive. Big corporations aren't doing that, and they don't have to because there are no alternatives. I think we need to take the initiative to create alternatives.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 03:29 AM

:durantunimpressed:

it's still $0

Well then what are you waiting for, Don!? :rockon:

But seriously, I know everyone here on ISH's situation is different. Some people might support the idea but have more pressing commitments with their finances right now and I understand that. Other people might have plenty of disposable money and think it's a shitty idea and don't wanna help. Also fine. Obviously I'm not expecting every person here to make a donation. I'm just putting the link up and offering some insight on it so that whomever may feel compelled to help get it started can do so. Even if it's not the right time for some but they like the idea, perhaps later down the line they can support the initiative with a t-shirt or a bumper sticker purchase, once I get that established. Obviously the ultimate goal is to offer a wide variety of merchandise, but it'll surely be very basic items at first.

But, Don, you of all people better not leave me hangin! You could be the first to donate my friend. Let 'er rip! :rockon: :rockon:

DonD13

11-16-2015, 03:34 AM

Well then what are you waiting for, Don!? :rockon:

But seriously, I know everyone here on ISH's situation is different. Some people might support the idea but have more pressing commitments with their finances right now and I understand that. Other people might have plenty of disposable money and think it's a shitty idea and don't wanna help. Also fine. Obviously I'm not expecting every person here to make a donation. I'm just putting the link up and offering some insight on it so that whomever may feel compelled to help get it started can do so. Even if it's not the right time for some but they like the idea, perhaps later down the line they can support the initiative with a t-shirt or a bumper sticker purchase, once I get that established.

But, Don, you of all people better not leave me hangin! You could be the first to donate my friend. Let 'er rip! :rockon: :rockon:

i'm sorry sir, i wish you luck but this is not for me

first of all, how is this a business, i don't get it, will you be selling stickers and t-shirts? or is there more?

second, i'm FOR political correctness. I 'm against vulgar populism.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 03:48 AM

i'm sorry sir, i wish you luck but this is not for me

first of all, how is this a business, i don't get it, will you be selling stickers and t-shirts? or is there more?

second, i'm FOR political correctness. I 'm against vulgar populism.

Optimally it will be a full service online retailer; no different from Amazon or Walmart.com or anything like that. Granted it won't become as big as those businesses nor does it aim to. And it will start with very small, simple items. But it will hopefully become a retail destination for those who believe citizens should be able to participate freely and honestly in the public discussion, not have to bleet out platitudes that the public collective wants to "think" it believes (when in fact its simply been reinforced through conditioning, the very result of businesses and public figures trying to appeal to everyone).

You may support political correctness now, because the issues covered in the media happen to be ones you agree with. What if you lived when Copernicus did and the church wanted to suppress his observations? Would you still be for the stifling of free thought and speech?

People on the PC bandwagon are being extremely short sighted. Everyone has unique experiences and perspective. We shouldn't socially mandate conformity to the liberal doctrine, which is largely being LED (unconsciously to most everyday liberals) by the desire of businesses and politicians to further their own interests - not yours.

DonD13

11-16-2015, 04:01 AM

Optimally it will be a full service online retailer; no different from Amazon or Walmart.com or anything like that. Granted it won't become as big as those businesses nor does it aim to. And it will start with very small, simple items. But it will hopefully become a retail destination for those who believe citizens should be able to participate freely and honestly in the public discussion, not have to bleet out platitudes that the public collective wants to "think" it believes (when in fact its simply been reinforced through conditioning, the very result of businesses and public figures trying to appeal to everyone).

You may support political correctness now, because the issues covered in the media happen to be ones you agree with. What if you lived when Copernicus did and the church wanted to suppress his observations? Would you still be for the stifling of free thought and speech?

People on the PC bandwagon are being extremely short sighted. Everyone has unique experiences and perspective. We shouldn't socially mandate conformity to the liberal doctrine, which is largely being LED (unconsciously to most everyday liberals) by the desire of businesses and politicians to further their own interests - not yours.

i'm sorry but this isn't remotely close to business plan. it's nothing really.

question: would you employ liberals who are for political correctness??

but i advise you to go to a business school or something first

oh, i'm definitely for freedom of speech!
you got freedom of speech in the USA, more than everywhere else, i think this is a non-issue

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:11 AM

i'm sorry but this isn't remotely close to business plan. it's nothing really.

It wasn't supposed to be a business plan? It was one sentence answer to your question.

would you employ liberals who are for political correctness??

It would employ whomever was best qualified for a particular position. The purpose isn't for the company to take a particular stand. It's to give more people the freedom to participate in the social dialogue with their own, individual opinions, as individuals. Not to have a choice between only the politically correct position, or none at all. People should not fear losing their job for participating HONESTLY in democracy.

but i advise you to go to a business school or something first

http://dcgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/kids-clint-eastwood-grumpy-old-man-gran-torino_zpsxuilmxlz.gif

oh, i'm definitely for freedom of speech!
you got freedom of speech in the USA, more than everywhere else, i think this is a non-issue

I think you're right, this concept probably isn't really for you.

But I do think there are many out there who see the value in it.

DonD13

11-16-2015, 04:13 AM

It wasn't supposed to be a business plan? It was one sentence answer to your question.

It would employ whomever was best qualified for a particular position. The purpose isn't for the company to take a particular stand. It's to give more people the freedom to participate in the social dialogue with their own, individual opinions, as individuals. Not to have a choice between only the politically correct position, or none at all. People should not fear losing their job for participating HONESTLY in democracy.

http://dcgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/kids-clint-eastwood-grumpy-old-man-gran-torino_zpsxuilmxlz.gif

I think you're right, this concept probably isn't really for you.

But I do think there are many out there who see the value in it.

you can make faces all you want but no person who has a brain will donate for this :oldlol: :oldlol:

DonD13

11-16-2015, 04:16 AM

keep dreaming making "1/10 as much as the CEO of Amazon" :lol

Lebowsky

11-16-2015, 04:19 AM

I also don't understand what value added you're supposed to be offering and how you mean to realise such value added. Did you actually sit down and think this through beforehand?

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:19 AM

you can make faces all you want but no person who has a brain will donate for this :oldlol: :oldlol:

Many of the most brilliant minds in history have supported the ideas and concepts this initiative is centered upon. Including those who founded our country. Free thinkers understand the value of free speech.

Lesser minds wax the talking points of the liberal collective and insist everyone else agree with them in order to validate their self-righteous, self-aggrandizing opinions on morality.

I've made my choice and so have you.

May the force be with you.

poido123

11-16-2015, 04:20 AM

I can't get past the details page.

It just gets stuck on loading and won't kick through.

:confusedshrug:

poido123

11-16-2015, 04:23 AM

Many of the most brilliant minds in history have supported the ideas and concepts this initiative is centered upon. Including those who founded our country. Free thinkers understand the value of free speech.

Lesser minds wax the talking points of the liberal collective and insist everyone else agree with them in order to validate their self-righteous, self-aggrandizing opinions on morality.

I've made my choice and so have you.

May the force be with you.

look at these life losers who sit here and criticise the OP :oldlol:

They wonder why they won't amount to anything in life.

The most creative and resourceful minds in the world have made a fortune doing similar shit to this.

are they all dumb?

RidonKs

11-16-2015, 04:23 AM

i would also like to echo the confusion of my fellow ishiots

this seems like a really really dumb idea

poido123

11-16-2015, 04:26 AM

i would also like to echo the confusion of my fellow ishiots

this seems like a really really dumb idea

so did those who thought ideas like Facebook and youtube would never work.

I support this guy's line of thinking. I wish there were more people who think like him.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:26 AM

I also don't understand what value added you're supposed to be offering and how you mean to realise such value added.

The value added is derived from this not being a public company.

I don't have a responsibility to pay shareholders. Nor will I need to spend revenue on costly television ads like a Walmart or Macy's. Nor pay myself 20 million dollars in options as the CEO. I can focus on providing good business to the customer in any way I want.

It would be a relatively small, private company focused on allowing people to pull their money away from profit-seeking corporations that reinforce the PC culture to protect their own interests, and put their money into the hands of a business that is not succumbing to the pressures of catering to new markets or customers that demand catering to value systems most Americans dont' share.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:28 AM

I can't get past the details page.

It just gets stuck on loading and won't kick through.

:confusedshrug:

I was having trouble logging in myself earlier today, GoFundMe does not seem to be all that reliable in terms of bandwidth stability. Feel free to give it another try tomorrow if you like. I appreciate you checkin out the info :cheers:

DonD13

11-16-2015, 04:29 AM

Many of the most brilliant minds in history have supported the ideas and concepts this initiative is centered upon. Including those who founded our country. Free thinkers understand the value of free speech.

Lesser minds wax the talking points of the liberal collective and insist everyone else agree with them in order to validate their self-righteous, self-aggrandizing opinions on morality.

I've made my choice and so have you.

May the force be with you.

i'm for free speech :confusedshrug:

1 month from now, when you catch a sober moment, you'll see that this is nothing. I hate to break it to you.

and it has nothing to do with political stance, the problem is that it's incoherent, no business plan, no strategy, no nothing. I honestly thought it was a joke.

but yes, anyways, may be force be with you too http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Trinken/smilie_trink_005.gif

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:30 AM

i would also like to echo the confusion of my fellow ishiots

this seems like a really really dumb idea

This sentence says it all.

poido123

11-16-2015, 04:30 AM

I was having trouble logging in myself earlier today, GoFundMe does not seem to be all that reliable in terms of bandwidth stability. Feel free to give it another try tomorrow if you like. I appreciate you checkin out the info :cheers:

No worries.

It was going to be a smal donation, but one which might kick start many more.

Too many passengers in this world. sad

Lebowsky

11-16-2015, 04:38 AM

The value added is derived from this not being a public company.

I don't have a responsibility to pay shareholders. Nor will I need to spend revenue on costly television ads like a Walmart or Macy's. Nor pay myself 20 million dollars in options as the CEO. I can focus on providing good business to the customer in any way I want.

It would be a relatively small, private company focused on allowing people to pull their money away from profit-seeking corporations that reinforce the PC culture to protect their own interests, and put their money into the hands of a business that is not succumbing to the pressures of catering to new markets or customers that demand catering to value systems most Americans dont' share.
So, if I understand correctly, your business is based on hoping people will be willing to pay higher prices for whatever product you'll be selling because your employees will be allowed to speak their minds?

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:39 AM

No worries.

It was going to be a smal donation, but one which might kick start many more.

Too many passengers in this world. sad

Thanks my man, and honestly anything at all is genuinely appreciated. Even a one dollar donation. In fact that's the whole point. We don't have to all do a lot, and we shouldn't rely on a few people to do a lot. If we all just do a little bit, it adds up big time.

This is something I'm doing first and foremost because I think it's an important direction to go in. Obviously this isn't gonna make me wealthy. But if I can make a living running something like this that could even potentially start something meaningful? I'll take it. So anyone who wants to help get it started in any way big or small definitely has my gratitude in spades.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:42 AM

So, if I understand correctly, your business is based on hoping people will be willing to pay higher prices for whatever product you'll be selling because your employees will be allowed to speak their minds?

Why do they have to pay higher prices?

Did you miss what I said here:

I don't have a responsibility to pay shareholders. Nor will I need to spend revenue on costly television ads like a Walmart or Macy's. Nor pay myself 20 million dollars in options as the CEO. I can focus on providing good business to the customer in any way I want.

I can order high quality sweaters from China wholesale using Alibaba and put them on a simple website with a shopping cart likely for LESS than what you're gonna pay for them at Bloomingdales. It's the same sweater, none of the bullshit.

Where do you see the need to inflate the cost?

Lebowsky

11-16-2015, 04:46 AM

Why do they have to pay higher prices?

Did you miss what I said here:

I can order high quality sweaters from China wholesale using Alibaba and put them on a simple website with a shopping cart likely for LESS than what you're gonna pay for them at Bloomingdales. It's the same sweater, none of the bullshit.

Where do you see the need to inflate the cost?

I assumed you won't be able to beat Amazon's, Alibaba's or any other top internet retailer's prices. You'll be acting as a middleman without the advantage of the top players' dirt-cheap production costs and hugely efficient distribution networks.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:55 AM

I assumed you won't be able to beat Amazon's, Alibaba's or any other top internet retailer's prices. You'll be acting as a middleman without the advantage of the top players' dirt-cheap production costs and hugely efficient distribution networks.

You're absolutely right that at the beginning I won't have any of those advantages. Although I won't be any more of a middleman than Amazon. They don't own the products they sell on their website. If you buy a shirt or a laptop or a watch it's not Amazon brand. In fact mine WILL be my own brand imported straight from the factory, so in that sense it's more direct than most items they're selling. But in any case, I also won't have the massive overhead of those companies. Think about all the money Amazon pays to ad agencies to have marketing teams come up with commercials. Then they have to pay millions a year to put those commercials on television. Their executives make salaries in the millions. All of that stuff goes into their pricing, and wouldn't go into mine.

Obviously there's no question it would be a humble operation to begin with. And I'm not suggesting it will ever REPLACE Amazon or Walmart or even compete with them on a revenue level. But let's say you spend $1,000 a year buying stuff from self-interested corporate online retailers, but every once in a while you can get one of those products at a similar price from a business that is actually trying to get people more proactive and become a healthier society, rather than just horde money for profits. Wouldn't you at least want to give them your business instead of the big PC companies when you can? Obviously you personally may not, but I think some people would. Can't hurt to try.

poido123

11-16-2015, 04:58 AM

I assumed you won't be able to beat Amazon's, Alibaba's or any other top internet retailer's prices. You'll be acting as a middleman without the advantage of the top players' dirt-cheap production costs and hugely efficient distribution networks.

To penetrate any market, you must have some or all of these things

1. It's unique

2. it's price is comparible or better

3. it's easy to produce and distribute

4. there's a spot in the market for the idea

The main thing is this is unique. The concept will appeal to those who feel ignored by the government and want a proper voice to get the message accross.

I like it.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 05:04 AM

To penetrate any market, you must have some or all of these things

1. It's unique

2. it's price is comparible or better

3. it's easy to produce and distribute

4. there's a spot in the market for the idea

The main thing is this is unique. The concept will appeal to those who feel ignored by the government and want a proper voice to get the message accross.

I like it.

This. This is the whole thing.

I mean I can sit on the internet and gripe about how our government and corporations handle things (and I do). But if that's ALL i do, they have absolutely no reason to change it. They're still getting money, and everyone else is getting their opinions stifled because they're at the mercy of their employer. And their employer is ONLY PC BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE MOENY FOR THEMSELVES.

And society has become so indoctrinated with this politically correct mindset, BECAUSE businesses and politicians and self-serving liberal soapboxers are trying to advance their own causes, and the average person doesn't even see it. Social conditioning plays a WAAAAAY bigger factor into how most people see things than they realize. Opportunists reinforce larger and larger umbrellas of tolerance because the more people in the umbrella, the more people they can charge, tax, or control. And the people who just eat up whatever the media gives them repeat it.

It's not gonna change unless those of us who are fed up with it keep our money circulating among ourselves and with the businesses who have OUR interests in mind.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 05:24 AM

i would also like to echo the confusion of my fellow ishiots

this seems like a really really dumb idea

The thing is, Ridonks, if you're a regular customer at a big corporate retailer, and theoretically that retailer has an opportunity to trade in your business for DOUBLE the business from two gibberish speaking jihadists, they'll do that in a heartbeat. In fact they're obligated to their shareholders to do that. And if gibberish speaking jihadists begin increasing, more and more ads will pop up catering to them, enticing to them, appealing to their values instead of yours (altho maybe you have those same values, not sure). And that company won't give a FUKK about you, because you're old news. And you're gonna sit there and take it, because you wanna be PC and show everyone your tolerance!

People should support businesses that care about THEM. Big corporate chains don't care about you. They want anyone's business they can get. They're not vested in the societies that made them. They're interested in chasing new $$$ wherever they can. And they'll SHUT YOU UP if you work for them and dare suggest some of their new customer prospects conflict with the values America should be embracing.

Businesses don't care about you.
People from other cultures don't care about you.
But you're sitting there trying to show everyone how much you care about them.

SUCKER.

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 05:27 AM

In before OP becomes a self-made millionaire

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 05:28 AM

In before OP becomes a self-made millionaire

In before Obama tells me I didn't build that.

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 05:40 AM

This one's for you bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs

Dream BIG

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 05:44 AM

This one's for you bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs

Dream BIG

Thanx homie :cheers:

Still holdin this one in my back pocket as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

poido123

11-16-2015, 06:31 AM

In before Obama tells me I didn't build that.

Or you are being racist :rolleyes:

nathanjizzle

11-16-2015, 07:21 AM

breh, youre asking 15k for a non tangible product or service. why dont you get creative and design some shirts that you can sell while you develop a followship on social media?

heres an idea for you, you can create a card or a license that is a "non political correctness license" and sell them to your people to have as a reminder to always have the courage to speak their mind even if the sheeps judge them for it.

DonD13

11-16-2015, 11:28 AM

Jailblazers7

11-16-2015, 12:04 PM

:oldlol:

Dude, what the ****? You never even stated what the company would sell.

stalkerforlife

11-16-2015, 12:08 PM

OP is a scammer and he should be ashamed.

People like me have real needs. https://www.gofundme.com/Justin123

CeltsGarlic

11-16-2015, 12:26 PM

I have a good eye for juicy ideas, and this is certainly going to make mad profit.

DeuceWallaces

11-16-2015, 12:33 PM

:oldlol:

Dude, what the ****? You never even stated what the company would sell.

I'm imagining him doing 3-4 lines of coke then starting the gofundme followed by making this thread. It's the only way it makes sense to me.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 12:45 PM

you need some visual samples of your product, this explanation makes no sense. No one is going to give you $15,000 for a bumpersticker company without even getting to see samples of your slogans.

Dresta

11-16-2015, 12:49 PM

i'm sorry sir, i wish you luck but this is not for me

first of all, how is this a business, i don't get it, will you be selling stickers and t-shirts? or is there more?

second, i'm FOR political correctness. I 'm against vulgar populism.
:oldlol:

Political correctness is one of the most glaring examples of vulgar populism. It is both vulgar (and intolerant) and rooted populist sensibilities - tis mostly an effort to uphold the vulgar consensuses of the democratic/multicultural ideology.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 01:41 PM

:oldlol:

Dude, what the ****? You never even stated what the company would sell.

I explained clearly in this thread that it would begin as an online merchant selling apparel and simple items like bumper stickers and coffee mugs etc.

I'm still working on making the donation page more complete, I just put the thing up yesterday evening. That's why I answered questions more specifically in this thread, because I won't be able to put EVERYTHING on a simple donation page.

Ofc, this is the general reaction I was expecting from ISH anyway so it's no biggie. Most people here aren't my target supporters because most people here can't understand the concepts and issues I'm talking about, no matter how lucidly they're explained. I'm gonna try to get it going on Facebook and on other message boards, but obviously I'm already on ISH so I figured I'd just post it here for the hell of it and welcome whomever wants to help make it happen, and not worry bout those who don't.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 01:48 PM

I'm imagining him doing 3-4 lines of coke then starting the gofundme followed by making this thread. It's the only way it makes sense to me.

Whether or not this happened has no bearing on the idea's validity!

ROCSteady

11-16-2015, 01:51 PM

Hail to the Redskins bro!

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 01:52 PM

you need some visual samples of your product, this explanation makes no sense. No one is going to give you $15,000 for a bumpersticker company without even getting to see samples of your slogans.

The text and the message itself is really the most important part. I'm not too concerned with creating elaborate designs. I'm just going to pick from a few different simple designs, and hope that the message itself resonates with people.

http://s21.postimg.org/d4h9lcmzr/boycott_PCbumper.jpg

That would look GREAT on any car and/or motorized electric scooter.

StephHamann

11-16-2015, 01:55 PM

Whether or not this happened has no bearing on the idea's validity!

:rockon:

ROCSteady

11-16-2015, 02:02 PM

So are u gunna be selling stuff like Confederate Flags, shirts that say 'Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve,' vintage Aunt Jemima statues and the like or what?

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 02:03 PM

So are u gunna be selling stuff like Confederate Flags, shirts that say 'Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve,' vintage Aunt Jemima statues and the like or what?

Only this one can be confirmed at this time.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 03:07 PM

So are u gunna be selling stuff like Confederate Flags, shirts that say 'Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve,' vintage Aunt Jemima statues and the like or what?

But to answer this question seriously, the concept isn't about me pushing a particular political side or agenda. It's about encouraging everyone to speak their own mind freely. Even in the face of misguided labeling and smear tactics.

Now granted, the people who will see appeal in this will predominantly be people whose views are typically berated or censored by the politically correct, conformist, witch hunting left. But the people who feel this way need to be emboldened to say what's important to them anyway, and let businesses and politicians know that there are a lot of other people who feel this way, and if they continue to be ignored they're gonna gradually go elsewhere. But there need to be alternative options for them to choose. That's what I want to set up.

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 03:11 PM

They laugh now, but when OP is rolling in that lambo he'll be the one laughing!

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 03:20 PM

They laugh now, but when OP is rolling in that lambo he'll be the one laughing!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a37722dbfd39d3efe453f9967fa7b93a556b30eb127c1ab501 ef63b29b083f5a.jpg

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 03:23 PM

The text and the message itself is really the most important part. I'm not too concerned with creating elaborate designs. I'm just going to pick from a few different simple designs, and hope that the message itself resonates with people.

http://s21.postimg.org/d4h9lcmzr/boycott_PCbumper.jpg

That would look GREAT on any car and/or motorized electric scooter.
The design of that is pretty shit dude, it would be better just going plain white text on black, lose the fuzzy black stuff in the back. The message is fine but people won't put it on their car if it's an ugly design. That green is pretty nasty and won't look good on many popular car colors. Think about a color combo that would look better on a wider variety of cars, like white on black or black on white, or black text on a clear sticker.

Just keep things simple and if you struggle, hire a designer. You can probably find a high quality professional from Malaysia or some other Asian country online who can do each design for $5 and you'll maintain 100% of the rights. Check out https://www.fiverr.com/

Also you should have something snappier than "Boycott political correctness"

Think simple and easy, something as simple as "got milk"
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Gotmilk.png
If you are struggling with a design, just stop over-complicating it and go back and look at this for inspiration. Your motto in design should always be "Simple and direct". Don't add too many elements, it will spoil the broth.

The foundation is in place and the anti-PC crowd is a good market to capitolize from but you have to put in some more work and do a better job on presentation before you can expect people to start paying for this.

ThePhantomCreep

11-16-2015, 03:35 PM

I just sent the OP a shit sandwich, minus the bread.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 03:54 PM

I just sent the OP a shit sandwich, minus the bread.

Excellent. Should make a nice swasti down at the local community college :applause:

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 03:57 PM

Excellent. Should make a nice swasti down at the local community college :applause:
:roll:

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 04:06 PM

OP is a mutha-friggen genius. When this shit gets going, I want in on this honey pot. Yahtzee!

ROCSteady

11-16-2015, 04:09 PM

But to answer this question seriously, the concept isn't about me pushing a particular political side or agenda. It's about encouraging everyone to speak their own mind freely. Even in the face of misguided labeling and smear tactics.

Now granted, the people who will see appeal in this will predominantly be people whose views are typically berated or censored by the politically correct, conformist, witch hunting left. But the people who feel this way need to be emboldened to say what's important to them anyway, and let businesses and politicians know that there are a lot of other people who feel this way, and if they continue to be ignored they're gonna gradually go elsewhere. But there need to be alternative options for them to choose. That's what I want to set up.

I'm just wondering how the products you sell can actually advance your cause rather than just be a mug at work with an idea or slogan.

I mean, getting people out of the conditioning of the media and faux intellectual community will take a much more proactive, hands on approach approach than just having bumper stickers and t-shirts but that is an affective start.

However, how many times has a 'Jesus Saves' or Darwin fish leg magnet actually swayed opinions into a tour de force? Those causes have hundreds of years of foundation. How can your business proposal overtake the Media and Activism that we are already annoyed at seeing or reading about? It more or less just projects an individual opinion, not recruit. Your message seems to be to voice whatever opinion one feels is genuine but not really attached to any idea in particular which may make it harder to catch on because the focus is pretty broad

What can be done to have this invade the hotbeds for impressionistic society like major universities, social media and most importantly, major news outlets?

GIF REACTION

11-16-2015, 04:12 PM

Have you bought the domain name for the website yet OP?

ROCSteady

11-16-2015, 04:17 PM

PCyouIsDoodoo.com

Whatever,IsayWhatIwant.com

BoycottTheLeftUnlessTheReporterIsFine.com

DownWithWhiteShaming.com

HailToTheRedskins.com

or my personal favorite...

SafeSpaceTheseNutsBitch.squarespace.com

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:19 PM

I'm just wondering how the products you sell can actually advance your cause rather than just be a mug at work with an idea or slogan.

I mean, getting people out of the conditioning of the media and faux intellectual community will take a much more proactive, hands on approach approach than just having bumper stickers and t-shirts but that is an affective start.

However, how many times has a 'Jesus Saves' or Darwin fish leg magnet actually swayed opinions into a tour de force? How can your business proposal overtake the Media and Activism that we are already annoyed at seeing or reading about? It more or less just projects an individual opinion, not recruit. Your message seems to be to voice whatever opinion one feels is genuine but not really attached to any idea in particular which may make it harder to catch on because the focus is pretty broad

What can be done to have this invade the hotbeds for impressionistic society like major universities, social media and most importantly, major news outlets?

Well for instance.

Say you meet someone new and you're just shootin the shit. You might feel trepidation about talking serious social and political topics with them in frank and honest ways, because they could be one of these PC nutjobs. Many people don't wanna take that risk of saying something and having the other person label them (usually erroneously) so they just stick to neutral topics like the weather. And this inhibits people from getting on the same page and acting together.

But if you happened to notice this guy pulled up with a Boycott Political Correctness bumper sticker on his car? Then you know, okay me and this dude can speak frankly and have a real exchange and if we're actually on the same page about stuff, we can work together. Same thing if you're at a game and you see someone in another group of tailgaters who's got a Boycott PC shirt on. He's open for a non-hypersensitive, non-eggshell walking, non-phony liberal moralism discussion. It would be helpful methinks to have kind of a fun and easy going way to make ourselves more visible in that regard. It's not some kind of uptight, militant movement. Just a kind of way of lettin people know "Hey, I'm gettin sick of this shit. How bout yall?" I think it'd be cool to see more and more people rockin this stuff. And if a lot of people are into it, we could actually coordinate our efforts to have an impact on the business and political climate.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:21 PM

Have you bought the domain name for the website yet OP?

Yep, the domain was just like 11 bucks. But the hosting is over a hundred, getting the business licensed costs money, getting a mailbox address costs money etc. That's why I'm trying to crowd fund resources to start with because otherwise it'll take me a while to get the funds together to actually get the thing moving.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 04:23 PM

Yep, the domain was just like 11 bucks. But the hosting is over a hundred, getting the business licensed costs money, getting a mailbox address costs money etc. That's why I'm trying to crowd fund resources to start with because otherwise it'll take me a while to get the funds together to actually get the thing moving.
Also production, shipping, packaging and distribution. Did you actually budget everything out or did you just come up with a number that sounds high enough?

You won't get any money without a clearer message and better visual samples. There are a lot of people who agree with your message, but they aren't going to give you any money, let alone $15,000, until you do the legwork first.

ROCSteady

11-16-2015, 04:24 PM

That makes sense. It'd be kinda like the confederate flag.

When somebody sees that they know they can speak frankly without coersion about hating Obama and the imminent resurrection of Ol Dixie.

I've seen it happen

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:27 PM

Also production, shipping, packaging and distribution. Did you actually budget everything out or did you just come up with a number that sounds high enough?

You won't get any money without a clearer message and better visual samples. There are a lot of people who agree with your message, but they aren't going to give you any money, let alone $15,000, until you do the legwork first.

15,000 is the default number GoFundMe puts up when you set up the campaign page. You can change it of course but I'm still working out a bunch of the logistics so I just left it like that for now. Regardless of what the expenses come out to be, anything will ultimately help, even 10 bucks. It's not like I have to give up if it doesn't reach 15,000.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 04:34 PM

Well for instance.

Say you meet someone new and you're just shootin the shit. You might feel trepidation about talking serious social and political topics with them in frank and honest ways, because they could be one of these PC nutjobs. Many people don't wanna take that risk of saying something and having the other person label them (usually erroneously) so they just stick to neutral topics like the weather. And this inhibits people from getting on the same page and acting together.

But if you happened to notice this guy pulled up with a Boycott Political Correctness bumper sticker on his car? Then you know, okay me and this dude can speak frankly and have a real exchange and if we're actually on the same page about stuff, we can work together. Same thing if you're at a game and you see someone in another group of tailgaters who's got a Boycott PC shirt on. He's open for a non-hypersensitive, non-eggshell walking, non-phony liberal moralism discussion. It would be helpful methinks to have kind of a fun and easy going way to make ourselves more visible in that regard. It's not some kind of uptight, militant movement. Just a kind of way of lettin people know "Hey, I'm gettin sick of this shit. How bout yall?" I think it'd be cool to see more and more people rockin this stuff. And if a lot of people are into it, we could actually coordinate our efforts to have an impact on the business and political climate.
slogan should be something like "F*ck PC"

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:40 PM

slogan should be something like "F*ck PC"

Well the idea is to slowly start moving away from businesses that hide behind political correctness and a an attitude of appeasing other cultures for corporate gain, instead of having them assimilate to America, so the slogan is "Boycott Political Correctness." And the sub slogan is "B.P.C. - Don't be PC!"

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 04:44 PM

some quick sample shit I came up with:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/nv6u5u.jpg

http://oi66.tinypic.com/aaam4g.jpg

http://oi64.tinypic.com/w4egy.jpg

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 04:47 PM

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 04:49 PM

"Live Free or Die PC"

XD just come up with stupid shit like that that will catch on with the masses.

Remember, most people you are trying to sell to will be dumb, because a majority of everyone on the planet is dumb.

The thing is, I'm not trying to sell things to every dumb person, because I'm not trying to be a giant corporate retail conglomerate. Those are the entities that want to make things for everyone and make everyone happy. I'm actually trying to unite the more intelligent thinkers out there, even if it means running a business on a much smaller scale.

ROCSteady

11-16-2015, 05:15 PM

Live Free Or Die PC, I like that.

Better claim stake in your royalties, sergio

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:06 PM

The thing is, I'm not trying to sell things to every dumb person, because I'm not trying to be a giant corporate retail conglomerate. Those are the entities that want to make things for everyone and make everyone happy. I'm actually trying to unite the more intelligent thinkers out there, even if it means running a business on a much smaller scale.
You won't be able to make a living from those people. You will need to get the stupid people on your side buying your product too.

http://oi63.tinypic.com/s32dzl.jpg

LikeMike

11-16-2015, 06:32 PM

Shouldn't have given your name.

I found your facebook, OP...https://www.facebook.com/steve.birkin.5

What do you know, an old white guy wants to be able to say non PC things. Misses the "good ole days."

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:34 PM

You won't be able to make a living from those people. You will need to get the stupid people on your side buying your product too.

http://oi63.tinypic.com/s32dzl.jpg

I appreciate the design suggestions.

Also, the purpose isn't for me to make a ton of money. It's to get an option going for people to start diverting their purchases away from businesses that reinforce the coercive politically correct culture in this country. I think people who understand the economic dynamics will see the value in that. If dumb people want to participate as well, then great. The concept is for everyone. The business itself isn't intended to push a particular agenda. Its goal is to support free speech. "What's popular is not always right, what's right is not always popular." This is SO true. And our politicians, and our businesses, are so concerned with being popular, so that they can make money for themselves, that they perpetually manipulate the heartstrings of all the beta's out there who have this desire to finally stand out some how, and the only way they can do it is being bleeting social justice champions, and we're all getting slowly screwed by this mob thinking mentality that relies on smearing and labels and race cards and bullshit.

This business will let its employees speak OUT. And the more the business grows, the more employees it can add, and the more people will get this opportunity. And fewer dollars will go to businesses that will sell out our society for their own gain.

Join the movement bro. Click that donate button!

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:35 PM

What do you know, an old white guy wants to be able to say non PC things. Misses the "good ole days."

Everyone else can.

Why can't old white guys?

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:36 PM

If your aim isn't to make money, don't create a business.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:38 PM

Join the movement bro. Click that donate button!
I already make money from shit like this on redbubble. It's easy to come up with slogans and easy designs that schlebs will pay money for.

Ideals and business often clash. Good luck with your project but it is too vague at this moment for me to consider investing. Like Mark Cuban, I'm out.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:39 PM

If your aim isn't to make money, don't create a business.

The aim isn't for me to make a TON of money. Obviously as the business owner I will be compensated with something reasonable. But because it is a private company, I don't have to focus solely on the bottom line the way public corporations do. I actually CAN focus on the core customers, rather than chasing after new ones.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:40 PM

I already make money from shit like this on redbubble. It's easy to come up with slogans and easy designs that schlebs will pay money for.

Ideals and business often clash. Good luck with your project but it is too vague at this moment for me to consider investing. Like Mark Cuban, I'm out.

:facepalm

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:41 PM

The aim isn't for me to make a TON of money. Obviously as the business owner I will be compensated with something reasonable. But because it is a private company, I don't have to focus solely on the bottom line the way public corporations do. I actually CAN focus on the core customers, rather than chasing after new ones.
I still don't even understand what your ultimate goal is. Is your business idea selling products and merch with political slogans on them? That's what it seems like, but then you go on talking about becoming the new Amazon, and I don't understand.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:43 PM

I still don't even understand what your ultimate goal is. Is your business idea selling products and merch with political slogans on them? That's what it seems like, but then you go on talking about becoming the new Amazon, and I don't understand.

The immediate starting point is simple items with a slogan. T-shirts, bumper stickers, mugs.

IF that becomes successful, then I can invest more money into expanding the store to more general retail merch. Obviously I wouldn't start going as broad right away as an Amazon or Walmart. Maybe just specific apparel like polo shirts, boxer shorts, basic stuff that people need to buy anyway and would rather support a quality business in so doing, than some corporation that's trying to convince them to be as tolerant and diverse as possible so the company can bring in more customers.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:44 PM

The immediate starting point is simple items with a slogan. T-shirts, bumper stickers mugs.

IF that becomes successful, then I can invest more money into expanding the store to more general retail merch. Obviously I wouldn't start going as broad right away as an Amazon or Walmart. Maybe just specific apparel like polo shirts, boxer shorts, basic stuff that people need to buy anyway and would rather support a quality business in so doing, than some corporation that's trying to convince them to be as tolerant and diverse as possible so they company can bring in more customers.
There's like 10,000,000 people already doing that+Amazon+Walmart. How will you compete? What is your USP?

I came up with another good slogan:

Free>PC

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:47 PM

There's like 10,000,000 people already doing that+Amazon+Walmart. How will you compete? What is your USP?

But they don't have a social purpose. That's the difference.

They're not promoting a business policy that will help America become more active about addressing its issues.

The merchandise isn't gonna be any different. It's gonna be the same stuff at the same price. So if people are gonna buy something online anyway, why not get it somewhere that is open about supporting their values, instead of businesses that are always trying to jump on the next demographic bandwagon.

Obviously, it's not gonna be for everyone, and I understand that. But if it can fill a niche and make any sort of little difference, it's better than nothing.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:50 PM

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 06:53 PM

Dude it's not filling a niche if it's already being done by loads of other businesses. Most of these businesses, even Amazon, have a "social message" they are trying to push. You're trying to start a business in a gap that is already held by Amazon. You will not be able to compete with Amazon with $15,000.

Fighting PC is good, the way you go about doing it needs to be more realistic and achievable.

All Im trying to do at THIS moment is set up a lil store with some simple items. Dont know what you find unrealistic about that.

The rest is just some potential ideas about a best case scenario. Theres nothing wrong with starting small and dreaming BIG.

Big, and THICK.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 06:59 PM

All Im trying to do at THIS moment is set up a lil store with some simple items. Dont know what you find unrealistic about that.

The rest is just some potential ideas about a best case scenario. Theres nothing wrong with starting small and dreaming BIG.

Big, and THICK.

Dude you can set this up for free right now-zero cost but your time uploading your designs and writing product descriptions:
http://www.redbubble.com/
www.cafepress.com
http://www.spreadshirt.com/

BoutPractice

11-16-2015, 07:03 PM

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 07:09 PM

Dude you can set this up for free right now-zero cost but your time uploading your designs and writing product descriptions:
http://www.redbubble.com/
www.cafepress.com
http://www.spreadshirt.com/

I am trying to move forward with whatever non-cost aspects of it I can, I cant do design stuff at this moment but when I am home this evening I will be continuing to work on it.

Akrazotile

11-16-2015, 07:15 PM

I dislike PC as much as the next guy, but I'm sure even you can sense what kind of person would actually wear a shirt with "Boycott Political Correctness" written on it.

With that said, the a-hole demographic is large and expanding, so maybe you're on to something here.

Someone who values being principled and independent rather than popular and submissive?

Where does it say you have to like everyone, anyway? This attitude is only reinforced into the minds of the public bc the visible entities - public figures, politicians, corporations - spout it off to sound magnanimous and popular. And the public takes their cue from that. That's what's cool, that's whats popular, thats whats expected. Its like goin to college these days. People dont even know WHY they do it - they just see others say its important so they go.

Why do you think countries that dont have the same democracy and big corporations are FAR less politically correct? Are the people biologically different in terms of brain function? No, it simply isnt reinforced there bc theres nothing to gain from it.

These PC liberal sheeps are literally PRODUCTS of the corporate mindset, which is the irony. Libertarians are the people who have the guts to speak their mind and let you speak yours. Everyone else is just droning.

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 07:40 PM

good luck homie

Nick Young

11-16-2015, 07:42 PM

I am trying to move forward with whatever non-cost aspects of it I can, I cant do design stuff at this moment but when I am home this evening I will be continuing to work on it.
You can literally just write words in basic font and if people like it, they will pay, and if you have enough designs you can get a steady income stream from this shit and live off it. It hardly takes any time to set up.

Akrazotile

11-17-2015, 01:54 AM

You can literally just write words in basic font and if people like it, they will pay, and if you have enough designs you can get a steady income stream from this shit and live off it. It hardly takes any time to set up.

I'll look into that but the purpose of the whole thing isn't really to just sell bumper stickers. I'd like to get a lil online community going of like-minded people and really kind of build a brand and a network full of people who want to pull in the same direction with this stuff.

GIF REACTION

11-17-2015, 02:02 AM

Keep going champ!

Nick Young

11-17-2015, 02:25 AM

why did you stop trying to be an actor dude? If you want to excel at something you have to keep at it for longer than a few years.

Akrazotile

11-17-2015, 02:37 AM

why did you stop trying to be an actor dude? If you want to excel at something you have to keep at it for longer than a few years.

Hollywood isnt acting. Broadway is acting. People who love to act do so in theater groups, usually for little money. Hollywood is where you go if youre trying to be a movie star. Which now more than ever requires very little acting, you just have to look like the right guy for the right role, and hope to get a recurrinng part in a franchise. That's all it is. Hollywood isnt about acting and never really has been, even tho you obviously get great performances here and there in feature films. The guys who grew up doing theater like Al Pacino and Kelsey Grammer still do stage acting throughout their career even when theyre big time millionaire Hollywood stars. Theyre lifers. Theyre actors. But most guys in Hollywood trying to land a role as the generic good looking lead man in the next Blockbuster? Theyre not actors, theyre there trying to be movie stars. I was young and wanted to give that a shot, so out I went.

I do enjoy acting, but my real passion is more direct, personal communication. Speaking (my own thoughts), writing, political involvement. Eventually when it became clear I was not going to be a movie star, it was time to change focus. Ive got some more lil youtube videos comin down the pipeline soon and Ill be trying to get some politically oriented business things going, so that's pretty much what Im focusing on right now.

ROCSteady

11-17-2015, 03:04 AM

indie films are acting

Akrazotile

11-17-2015, 03:19 AM

indie films are acting

Moreso than blockbusters, yeah, but they can be extremely hit or miss in terms of script quality, working conditions, etc. Theres a handful of good indies each year and a million actors auditioning for roles in them.

Either way tho, film acting isnt really true acting. Majority of the time you deliver a couple lines and then they cut, readjust the camera, director says some shit, alter the lighting, switch angles, "Action!" and then the other character answers. If that take wasnt good? Just do it over again. Even if it is good you do the same shot about five times as a safety.

In a play, there's no retakes, no cuts, no editing... If youre doin a dialogue with someone you gotta do it all in the moment. Youre doin a monologue you gotta pace yourself accordingly and get it all right the first time. Theater is where the bullets fly for real. Dont get me wrong, there are great film acting performances, but the amount of time really spent "acting" when you work for tv/movies is miniscule compared to the amount of time youre sittin around doing literally nothing except waiting for them to get ready shootng the next part of the scene. it can literally take hours between takes. Obviously if youre gettin paid mega bucks or youre just really into the whole scene it's worth it, but it just wasnt for me.

Lebowsky

11-27-2015, 07:07 PM

So how is the project coming along?

Akrazotile

11-27-2015, 07:14 PM

So how is the project coming along?

It's moving. I've got some sticker designs made and a place lined up I can order them from, but I'm still working on the website. I'm not very web savvy and I can't afford to hire a web designer, so I have to try and do it myself on a build-your-own-site platform. Which would be fine if it were just text and pictures. But I'm trying to set up a mailing list, a forum, an ecommerce store with Shopping Cart etc. It's pretty intensive.

If you'd care to donate, click that link baby!

Nick Young

11-28-2015, 01:42 AM

how will you distribute? Web only? What are your plans to market and get your message out there?

SpecialQue

11-28-2015, 02:03 AM

It's hilarious that Stalker's raised more cash than OP.

Akrazotile

11-28-2015, 02:50 AM

It's hilarious that Stalker's raised more cash than OP.

His page has been up four months, mine's been up a week. :biggums:

I haven't promoted it anywhere else yet anyway, and obviously I knew the left-tards on ISH were not going to contribute. I just posted it here right off the bat because I come here regularly.

Keep hating though man, just keep on being a hater. I use the energy from haters as fuel to motivate me to get up even earlier, work even later, push even harder, and not stop until my goals and dreams become REALITY.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/599/243/kobe_bryant00-clenched-teeth-headshot-sorta-med_display_image.jpg

DonDadda59

11-28-2015, 03:24 AM

^Probably not the best time to use Kobe as an example of success...

HenryGarfunkle

11-28-2015, 03:32 AM

^Probably not the best time to use Kobe as an example of success...
That line would be considered unoriginal in the nba forum. No wonder you stick the the inferior OTC, your sports references are WACK.

DonDadda59

11-28-2015, 03:41 AM

That line would be considered unoriginal in the nba forum. No wonder you stick the the inferior OTC, your sports references are WACK.

I used to run the NBA forum before I got bored with it. I'm as invincible in the main forum as I am here... maybe even more so.

Moreso than blockbusters, yeah, but they can be extremely hit or miss in terms of script quality, working conditions, etc. Theres a handful of good indies each year and a million actors auditioning for roles in them.

Either way tho, film acting isnt really true acting. Majority of the time you deliver a couple lines and then they cut, readjust the camera, director says some shit, alter the lighting, switch angles, "Action!" and then the other character answers. If that take wasnt good? Just do it over again. Even if it is good you do the same shot about five times as a safety.

In a play, there's no retakes, no cuts, no editing... If youre doin a dialogue with someone you gotta do it all in the moment. Youre doin a monologue you gotta pace yourself accordingly and get it all right the first time. Theater is where the bullets fly for real. Dont get me wrong, there are great film acting performances, but the amount of time really spent "acting" when you work for tv/movies is miniscule compared to the amount of time youre sittin around doing literally nothing except waiting for them to get ready shootng the next part of the scene. it can literally take hours between takes. Obviously if youre gettin paid mega bucks or youre just really into the whole scene it's worth it, but it just wasnt for me.

There's just as much terrible acting and bad projects on stages than there is in films. Probably more if you think about all the shit that people do in community theaters, school plays, etc.

It's much easier to hide a bad actor on stage than it is in a closeup on film.

HenryGarfunkle

11-28-2015, 03:49 AM

Your lines would be considered unoriginal in the nba forum, don. You're no longer in touch with what's good any more. You talentless piece of garbage. :oldlol:

Haza!

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DonDadda59

11-28-2015, 03:51 AM

Akrazotile

11-28-2015, 03:53 AM

I used to run the NBA forum before I got bored with it. I'm as invincible in the main forum as I am here... maybe even more so.

There's just as much terrible acting and bad projects on stages than there is in films. Probably more if you think about all the shit that people do in community theaters, school plays, etc.

It's much easier to hide a bad actor on stage than it is in a closeup on film.

No question, Im just generalizing and I have respect for both. But theater is really more "about" the acting. Film is about a whole bunch of other stuff as well, especially the mainstream blockbuster type movies.

HenryGarfunkle

11-28-2015, 03:57 AM

Youse a cockaroach in my periphery. You should be honored that I took the few seconds out of my night to even acknowledge your existence.

You're welcome. :cheers:
That's an unoriginal line, don.

DonDadda59

11-28-2015, 04:00 AM

No question, and I have respect for both. But theater is really more "about" the acting. Film is about a whole bunch of other stuff as well, especially the mainstream blockbuster type movies.

Maybe. But shit acting is shit acting whether it happens on stage with no breaks or on a set with dozens of takes. I've personally seen many people with advanced theater degrees who simply can't make the transition to film because it takes a certain skill set and subtlety that theater schools don't teach... And personally, I don't think you can teach someone how to act. You can train their voice to project and show them how to emote for a crowd, but displaying believable and human emotional depth in a confined space... That's something you either have naturally or you don't. No amount of training or experience on stage will give you that.

Akrazotile

11-28-2015, 04:04 AM

Maybe. But shit acting is shit acting whether it happens on stage with no breaks or on a set with dozens of takes. I've personally seen many people with advanced theater degrees who simply can't make the transition to film because it takes a certain skill set and subtlety that theater schools don't teach... And personally, I don't think you can teach someone how to act. You can train their voice to project and show them how to emote for a crowd, but displaying believable and human emotional depth in a confined space... That's something you either have naturally or you don't. No amount of training or experience on stage will give you that.

Agreed.

Acting classes/lessons are useful practice Im sure, and maybe offer some helpful hints or ideas here or there. But at best they just offer a polish, talent is the predominant factor.