a Jordan fan told me Mayweather and tyson suck cause they beat shitty competition

[kennethgriffin]

so i asked him


"who the f*ck did michael jordan beat?"



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he didn't have shit to say


now don't get me wrong. jordan is still atleast arguably the goat to me with kareem having a say in the discussion. but it just amazes me how hypocritical the public is depending on their agenda

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Agreed. Duncan the trill GOATvp.

:pimp:

[LBJFTW]

Jordan did more at 40 than Kobe doing at 37 and Kenneth all upset about it! :lol

[TomBrady]

Agreed. Duncan the trill GOATvp.

:pimp:

Tim Duncan is a man that I can truly respect, GOAT QB to GOAT PF. We both won championships during our age 37 seasons and we're both the unquestioned GOATs of our eras.

[kennethgriffin]

Agreed. Duncan the trill GOATvp.

:pimp:


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incredible competition for timmy d

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Tim Duncan is a man that I can truly respect, GOAT QB to GOAT PF. We both won championships during our age 37 seasons and we're both the unquestioned GOATs of our eras.

Pats are the NFL's version of the Spurs.

:applause:

[kennethgriffin]

kobe

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[Sambacher]

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incredible competition for timmy d
Gotta be the lamest troll attempt I've ever seen. You suck at this.

[kennethgriffin]

Gotta be the lamest troll attempt I've ever seen. You suck at this.


what? i congratulated tim and now i'm trolling?

:biggums:

[3ball]

31-year old Magic was runner up for league MVP in 1991.. MJ destroyed a legit, top 5 all-time player, heads-up on the biggest stage:

Jordan in 1991 Finals: 33/7/11 on 56%
Magic. in 1991 Finals: 19/7/13 on 50%


^^^^ That's the definition of GOAT destruction

Also, MJ beat some of the best centers ever - Shaq, Ewing, Alonzo.. And some of the best guards ever - Isiah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), and Drexler - and he was matched up with these guys from tip-off as their primary defender (as the links show)... And he beat two of the best PF's ever - Malone and Barkley.

No one else has defeated this caliber of all-time great centers, guards, and PF's.
.

[Sambacher]

Ah sorry no I meant you're really good at this. I'm glad you're living on this planet.

[kennethgriffin]

31-year old Magic was runner up for league MVP in 1991.. MJ destroyed a legit, top 5 all-time player, heads-up on the biggest stage:

Jordan in 1991 Finals: 33/7/11 on 56%
Magic. in 1991 Finals: 19/7/13 on 50%


^^^^ That's the definition of GOAT destruction

Also, MJ beat some of the best centers ever - Shaq, Ewing, Alonzo.. And some of the best guards ever - Isiah, Payton, and Drexler - and he guarded them all as their primary defender (as the links show)... And he beat two of the best PF's ever - Malone and Barkley.

No one else has defeated this caliber of all-time great centers, guards, and PF's.


magic is only as good as the players around him

the 1991 lakers had huge holes in their lineup

rookie vlade at starting center?



jordan never beat show-time.. he beat HIV-time

[FKAri]

Gotta be the lamest troll attempt I've ever seen. You suck at this.

His heart's not in it anymore. He' doesn't have that fire anymore to stan Kobe.

[3ball]

kobe


http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m99p98ErUw1qm9rypo1_1280.jpg



Kobe.. in 2000 Finals: 15 ppg on 36%
Reggie in 2000 Finals: 24 ppg on 43%

Jordan in 1998 ECF: 31 ppg on 48%
Reggie in 1998 ECF: 17 ppg on 41%


AS USUAL, NO COMPARISON WITH THE GOAT

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

Kobe.. in 2000 Finals: 15 ppg on 36%
Reggie in 2000 Finals: 24 ppg on 43%

Jordan in 1998 ECF: 31 ppg on 48%
Reggie in 1998 ECF: 17 ppg on 41%


AS USUAL, NO COMPARISON WITH THE GOAT


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[3ball]

.
MJ put up better stats during his 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe did without Shaq (2008-2010), even though MJ faced lower league-wide DRtg in both the regular season and playoffs than Kobe did:


League-Wide DRtg in Regular Season:


1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0

2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 107.6

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html


League-Wide DRtg in Playoffs (each year is link to source):

1996 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1996.html#all_misc_stats): 107.4
1997 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1997.html#all_misc_stats): 106.8
1998 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1998.html#all_misc_stats): 105.6

2008 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008.html#all_misc_stats): 107.4
2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009.html#all_misc_stats): 107.7
2010 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html#all_misc_stats): 108.6



But despite facing lower DRtg defenses, MJ still put up better stats:


REGULAR SEASON - 1996-1998 vs. 2008-2010

MJ:... 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
Kobe: 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

MJ:... 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
Kobe: 29.8 PPG... 46.4% fg


FINALS

MJ:... 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3 FMVP
Kobe: 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2 FMVP

Source: basketball-reference.com


At 33-35 years old, MJ had better stats against better defenses than 29-31 year-old Kobe..

Also, 1998 Utah had a lower DRtg in the playoffs (100.3) than any team Kobe ever faced as the #1 option (post-Shaq).. So as the #1 option, it was JORDAN who faced the toughest defense from an individual team, not Kobe.. Of course, this is no surprise, since the stats above show MJ faced the lower league-wide DRtg in both the regular season and playoffs.

Imagine if we DIDN'T give Kobe a head start and actually peak at MJ's prime instead of his old man stats??.. Better not.. :facepalm .. It's amazing how much better MJ was than Kobe.. :bowdown:

[3ball]

.
An Illustration of MJ's domination of Duncan



Remember when Lebron missed his 3-point attempt, and needed Ray Allen to save him?


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In Jordan's first meeting with Duncan, he MADE the walk-off three-pointer to send the game into overtime, and then he dominated the overtime - the walk-off is shown below:


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MJ dunked over Duncan twice in that game, both shown in the GIF below:


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In their 2nd meeting (seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQePkBnD0vo)), Jordan utterly dominated Duncan and Robinson in the paint all night, especially in the 2nd half.. And he had a huge left-handed block on Duncan, shown below:


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Jordan also got a poster on Duncan as a Wizard:


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[stalkerforlife]

Love the OP, but he's been tripping lately.

Sorry, MJ fans.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe.. in 2000 Finals: 15 ppg on 36%
Reggie in 2000 Finals: 24 ppg on 43%

Jordan in 1998 ECF: 31 ppg on 48%
Reggie in 1998 ECF: 17 ppg on 41%


AS USUAL, NO COMPARISON WITH THE GOAT


game 1 kobe held reggie to like 1 for 16 in a lakers win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3J-6SNoBGQ


game 2 kobe was injured and only had 2 points ( which dropped his overall average from 19ppg down to 15ppg for the series )

game 3 kobe didnt play ( lakers lost )

game 4 kobe had 28 points and took over in overtime in a lakers win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdhzK-ud3U

game 6 kobe had 26 and 10 in a series clinching win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHqwat3Wm8


kobe was basically extremely important in 3 of the 4 laker wins.. the overall series is just looked down upon because of unfortunate circumstances

[kennethgriffin]

Love the OP, but he's been tripping lately.

Sorry, MJ fans.


mj's great. i'm just sayin his competition wasnt amazing either.

infact its almost as if i'm defending MJ because i like mayweather, tyson and appreciate jordans titles regardless of his competition

i'm just making a point that some people are hypocritical when hating on 2 of the 3 guys for something all 3 guys are guilty of



so mayweather never beat manny in his prime

so tyson never beat lewis, evander etc...

so jordan never beat the great teams of the 80s


its all the same shit

[JohnFreeman]

Kenneth, what is your opinion on the death of Jordan's father?

[kennethgriffin]

Kenneth, what is your opinion on the death of Jordan's father?


it was a fluke. jordans dad was carrying his sons championship rings by accident and the 2 robbers just had a lucky hunch that a guy sleeping in a parked car might be carrying items worth upwards of 100,000$ for no particular reason whatsoever

[stalkerforlife]

mj's great. i'm just sayin his competition wasnt amazing either.

infact its almost as if i'm defending MJ because i like mayweather, tyson and appreciate jordans titles regardless of his competition

i'm just making a point that some people are hypocritical when hating on 2 of the 3 guys for something all 3 guys are guilty of



so mayweather never beat manny in his prime

so tyson never beat lewis, evander etc...

so jordan never beat the great teams of the 80s


its all the same shit

Stockton/Malone, Drexler, Ewing, Reggie, Payton/Kemp, Barkley/KJ, Magic, etc.

MJ beat some damn good talent.

[JohnFreeman]

it was a fluke. jordans dad was carrying his sons championship rings by accident and the 2 robbers just had a lucky hunch that a guy sleeping in a parked car might be carrying items worth upwards of 100,000$ for no particular reason whatsoever
:roll:

[3ball]

Stockton/Malone, Drexler, Ewing, Reggie, Payton/Kemp, Barkley/KJ, Magic, etc.

MJ beat some damn good talent.
In 1996 ECF, Jordan averaged 30/6/5 on 52% against Shaq/Penny's 62-win Magic.

[kennethgriffin]

Stockton/Malone, Drexler, Ewing, Reggie, Payton/Kemp, Barkley/KJ etc.

MJ beat some damn good talent.


well considering those guys combined have 0 titles as lead dog ( even though they all had basically 14 out of 20 years to do so without jordan standing in their way ) i'd have to disagree with you that they were damn good talent..

i'd say ... good... just ... good talent


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[stalkerforlife]

In 1996 ECF, Jordan averaged 30/6/5 on 52% against Shaq/Penny's 62-win Magic.

Damn.

MJ made everyone look pedestrian and now some people think his competition wasn't great.

[kennethgriffin]

In 1996 ECF, Jordan averaged 30/6/5 on 52% against Shaq/Penny's 62-win Magic.


dude. shaq in the 90s was a b*tch

he got swept like 6 times and begged a 17 year old rookie to take the most important shots of his career up to that point


remember when 6-7 210 pound rodman owned his a**

[3ball]

:lol:

[3ball]

titles as lead dog


In 1996 ECF, Jordan averaged 30/6/5 on 52% against Shaq and Penny's 62-win Magic.

Also, Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991 - so I'd also argue that he was the "lead dog" for the Lakers..

[kennethgriffin]

In 1996 ECF, Jordan averaged 30/6/5 on 52% against Shaq and Penny's 62-win Magic.

Also, Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991 - so I'd also argue that he was the "lead dog" for the Lakers..


i think i already addressed both of these topics

[3ball]

Here's a fun fact Kenneth:

MJ put up better stats during his 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe's rings without Shaq (2008-2010), even though MJ was 3-4 years older and faced lower league-wide DRtg in both the regular season and playoffs.

That's pretty damning... Will anyone remember your guy even played 10 years from now?... I'm being serious... He will be overshadowed big time going forward because he couldn't even overshadow the guys that came before him.

[3ball]

Here's a fun fact Kenneth:

MJ put up better stats during his 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe's rings without Shaq (2008-2010), even though MJ was 3-4 years older and faced lower league-wide DRtg in both the regular season and playoffs.

That's pretty damning... Will anyone remember your guy even played 10 years from now?... I'm being serious... He will be overshadowed big time going forward because he couldn't even overshadow the guys that came before him.


Here's my advice Kenneth... No need to wallow in Kobe-pity.. It's isn't a good look - you tend to get snippy with big chip on your shoulder.

It's better to create new alt and join Jordan fam.

[stalkerforlife]

From the leader of the Kobe family, I want to apologize to the Jordan family.

Our family is having a hard time grasping that Kobe's career isn't what it once was.

We appreciate MJ as the GOAT and we mean no harm.

Kobe is 2nd to MJ all time, though.

[Cocaine80s]

From the leader of the Kobe family, I want to apologize to the Jordan family.

Our family is having a hard time grasping that Kobe's career isn't what it once was.

We appreciate MJ as the GOAT and we mean no harm.

Kobe is 2nd to MJ all time, though.
#damagecontrol

Thats why Kenneth is alpha and you beg for money on youtube

[FKAri]

Kenneth >>>>>>> stalkerforlife

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe faced much better perimeter players than MJ not even arguable. The 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s was arguably on MJs team lmfao

[kennethgriffin]

i actually feel like i gave jordan too much credit


truth be told. his competition wasnt magic, barkley, kemp and malone


it was


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[masonanddixon]

That same Jazz team (older, much worse than the one Jordan faced) absolutely raped Kobe and Shaq in the postseason.

[bigkingsfan]

In 1996 ECF, Jordan averaged 30/6/5 on 52% against Shaq/Penny's 62-win Magic.

Not the same team once Horace Grant went down in game 1.

"He averaged 16.9 points and 11.6 rebounds as the Magic went 7-1 through the first two playoff series. His 65.6 percent shooting was the best in the playoffs and he was leading the Magic in minutes played, rebounding and shooting. He also led the Magic with six playoff games with double figures in both rebounding and scoring, including a 29-point, 20-rebound game against Atlanta."


Jon Koncak was his replacement. We all know what happened the year before, where Jordan actually had better numbers,

[Smoke117]

You are a pathetic f@ggot. You're welcome. You and that little bitch stalker should get married...you'd make quite the couple...though you might have to stop sticking your dick in those ratchet sluts you've posted on here...sluts you probably never ****ed anyhow. lol

[kennethgriffin]

That same Jazz team (older, much worse than the one Jordan faced) absolutely raped Kobe and Shaq in the postseason.


its kobes fault when they lose in 1998 ( when kobes a 6th man 15ppg 19 year old )

but when they win kobe is carried in 2000, 2001, 2002 ( when kobes averaging 25/5/5 )

:lol

[masonanddixon]

its kobes fault when they lose in 1998 ( when kobes a 6th man 15ppg 19 year old )

but when they win kobe is carried in 2000, 2001, 2002 ( when kobes averaging 25/5/5 )

:lol

What the hell does this have to do with Kobe?

Your premise was that Jordan faced weak competition.

The apparently mediocre Jazz team that the Bulls faced in the Finals came back two seasons later, two seasons older, and swept the Kobe and Shaq Lakers and then beat them 4-1 the next postseason.

Kobe and Shaq played the freaking Iverson led 76ers in one of their Finals series, quite possibly the shittiest team ever to make a Finals.

[kennethgriffin]

What the hell does this have to do with Kobe?

Your premise was that Jordan faced weak competition.

The apparently mediocre Jazz team that the Bulls faced in the Finals came back two seasons later, two seasons older, and swept the Kobe and Shaq Lakers and then beat them 4-1 the next postseason.

Kobe and Shaq played the freaking Iverson led 76ers in one of their Finals series, quite possibly the shittiest team ever to make a Finals.


the jazz were great. i said his competition was shitty

jordan faced bryon russell and jeff hornacek


and the jazz didnt come back 2 seasons later to sweep LA.. i think you have your years mixed up

2 years after 97 is 1999 in which LA lost to san antonio
2 years after 98 is 2000 in which LA won the nba title

[masonanddixon]

the jazz were great. i said his competition was shitty

jordan faced bryon russell and jeff hornacek


and the jazz didnt come back 2 seasons later to sweep LA.. i think you have your years mixed up

2 years after 97 is 1999 in which LA lost to san antonio
2 years after 98 is 2000 in which LA won the nba title

One of those postseasons they swept the Lakers and the other they won 4-1.

Jeff Hornacek and Bryon Russell would've run train on anyone Kobe and Shaq faced. And thats not even mentioning Stockton, who would destroy any current PG on both ends of the floor.

All three of those Jazz guards were absolutely elite defensive players.

And then Jordan faced Ainge, Majerle, and Kevin Johnson too...they would've crushed any guard rotation Kobe and Shaq faced.

Kobe and Shaq only beat three great teams...a very old Portland squad, a solid Kings squad with horrible defense, and an elite Spurs squad. Every team they faced in the Finals was pure garbage.

And I'm saying this as someone who believes Kobe to be a top 5 all time player.

[kennethgriffin]

One of those postseasons they swept the Lakers and the other they won 4-1.

Jeff Hornacek and Bryon Russell would've run train on anyone Kobe and Shaq faced. And thats not even mentioning Stockton, who would destroy any current PG on both ends of the floor.

All three of those Jazz guards were absolutely elite defensive players.

And then Jordan faced Ainge, Majerle, and Kevin Johnson too...they would've crushed any guard rotation Kobe and Shaq faced.

Kobe and Shaq only beat three great teams...a very old Portland squad, a solid Kings squad with horrible defense, and an elite Spurs squad. Every team they faced in the Finals was pure garbage.

And I'm saying this as someone who believes Kobe to be a top 5 all time player.

the jizz never beat kobe. they beat shaq


anything prior to 1999 doesnt count against kobe since he didnt start yet


:lol

[kennethgriffin]

One of those postseasons they swept the Lakers and the other they won 4-1.

Jeff Hornacek and Bryon Russell would've run train on anyone Kobe and Shaq faced. And thats not even mentioning Stockton, who would destroy any current PG on both ends of the floor.

All three of those Jazz guards were absolutely elite defensive players.

And then Jordan faced Ainge, Majerle, and Kevin Johnson too...they would've crushed any guard rotation Kobe and Shaq faced.

Kobe and Shaq only beat three great teams...a very old Portland squad, a solid Kings squad with horrible defense, and an elite Spurs squad. Every team they faced in the Finals was pure garbage.

And I'm saying this as someone who believes Kobe to be a top 5 all time player.



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:lol

[masonanddixon]

the jizz never beat kobe. they beat shaq


anything prior to 1999 doesnt count against kobe since he didnt start yet


:lol

That Jazz team would've raped any iteration of the Shaq-Kobe Lakers

[kennethgriffin]

That Jazz team would've raped any iteration of the Shaq-Kobe Lakers



:roll:


this dude went full retard


jizz > 2001 lakers ( 30ppg shaq, 30ppg kobe, 15-1 title team ) ?


didnt malone ring chase and latch onto kobe/shaqs c*cks to try and win his 1st title?

[masonanddixon]

https://41.media.tumblr.com/81b7fa8ca508667f4af929cb537226e9/tumblr_np1y4g6AM71us9dq8o1_540.jpg



:lol

Dude you seriously are mentally ill.

[kennethgriffin]

Dude you seriously are mentally ill.


so kobe beats 24 teams with 50+ wins yet he only beat 3 good teams

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

http://i67.tinypic.com/21eb57t.jpg




now listen... i know youre here to get a free ring. but you hit on my 20 year old wife so i'm gonna throw the series onpurpose so you stay a ringless old pedophile

[guy]

You can say this type of crap about anyone. Kobe's most impressive competition he beat were all old by that time as well (2010 Celtics). Seriously, it's like 2 years in NBA history matter (84 and 85) according to you dumbasses.

[Smoke117]

I could just picture you and that pasty bitch Stalker hanging out...both in kobe jersey's (8 and 24) with the love gay love blossoming at first sight...not that there is anything wrong with that...where a man wants to stick or take a member is his own business...I'm actually rooting for you both. Hopefully you will fall in love and each finally get a life.

[Dragonyeuw]

Clyde Drexler( in his prime in 92) alone is better than basically anyone Kobe faced off against at the shooting guard position in the finals, possible exception of Iverson. Otherwise, Kobe beat a 35 year old Miller( that MJ beat two years earlier in the ECF), Iverson( same class as Drexler in GOAT rankings), Kerry Kittles (LMAO), Pietrus?( I can't remember who the starting SG was for Orlando) and a mid-30's Ray Allen. If the OP is gonna throw in all the perimeter players Kobe saw in the finals to pad the list( like Kidd and Pierce) then add Magic, Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Gary Payton, and John Stockton to MJ's list.

[97 bulls]

Clyde Drexler( in his prime in 92) alone is better than basically anyone Kobe faced off against at the shooting guard position in the finals, possible exception of Iverson. Otherwise, Kobe beat a 35 year old Miller( that MJ beat two years earlier in the ECF), Iverson( same class as Drexler in GOAT rankings), Kerry Kittles (LMAO), Pietrus?( I can't remember who the starting SG was for Orlando) and a mid-30's Ray Allen. If the OP is gonna throw in all the perimeter players Kobe saw in the finals to pad the list( like Kidd and Pierce) then add Magic, Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Gary Payton, and John Stockton to MJ's list.
Exactly. I was just about to post the same thing. And it gets worse if we include bigs. Malone, Shaq, Ewing, Barkley, Mourning, prime Mutombo. How many great bigs did Kobe have to go through? Duncan and......

[Smoke117]

Clyde Drexler( in his prime in 92) alone is better than basically anyone Kobe faced off against at the shooting guard position in the finals, possible exception of Iverson. Otherwise, Kobe beat a 35 year old Miller( that MJ beat two years earlier in the ECF), Iverson( same class as Drexler in GOAT rankings), Kerry Kittles (LMAO), Pietrus?( I can't remember who the starting SG was for Orlando) and a mid-30's Ray Allen. If the OP is gonna throw in all the perimeter players Kobe saw in the finals to pad the list( like Kidd and Pierce) then add Magic, Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Gary Payton, and John Stockton to MJ's list.

Iverson is not better than Drexler...don't be a ****ing idiot.

[Dragonyeuw]

Iverson is not better than Drexler...don't be a ****ing idiot.

I said 'possible' exception of Iverson. I didn't outright declare Iverson was better, I'm saying they're in the same class in terms of all-time SG rankings, which they are.

Go grab a new pad and chill the fcuk out.

[Smoke117]

I said 'possible' exception of Iverson. I didn't outright declare Iverson was better, I'm saying they're in the same class in terms of all-time SG rankings, which they are.

Go grab a new pad and chill the fcuk out.

They are not in the same class. You are comparing one of the more underrated players all time (drexler) to the most overrated player of all time. (iverson) I will never understand what anyone has ever seen in Allen Iverson. He was a street baller who was allowed to do whatever he wanted...he had no conception of how to play NBA basketball though. In his the MVP year (that he stole from Shaq) he was averaging 30 pts on 30 shots in the playoffs...

[KobesFinger]

Exactly. I was just about to post the same thing. And it gets worse if we include bigs. Malone, Shaq, Ewing, Barkley, Mourning, prime Mutombo. How many great bigs did Kobe have to go through? Duncan and......

Garnett, Webber, Dwight and Rasheed aren't bad players

[Asukal]

This is what happens when OP realized just how big of a gap kobe and the GOAT have. :hammerhead:

Dat longevity.... :facepalm

[Dragonyeuw]

They are not in the same class. You are comparing one of the more underrated players all time (drexler) to the most overrated player of all time. (iverson) I will never understand what anyone has ever seen in Allen Iverson. He was a street baller who was allowed to do whatever he wanted...he had no conception of how to play NBA basketball though. In his the MVP year (that he stole from Shaq) he was averaging 30 pts on 30 shots in the playoffs...

To each their own. General consensus is they're both top 10 all-time shooting guards. If you think Drexler was better, cool, it's not an argument I'm really trying to make hence me saying 'possible exception' depending on how people generally feel about comparing Iverson to Drexler, for which you've made your particular feelings quite clear. I wasn't trying to make the case that Iverson was better.

[ShawkFactory]

so kobe beats 24 teams with 50+ wins yet he only beat 3 good teams

:lol
If that's what you call good then Jordan deserved the MVP in 1988, since his team won 50 games (thus being good).

Kobe in 06 can't fvck with that.

Also, very interesting to me how you include Iverson and Pierce for Kobe but leave out KG, Dirk, Webber, and Shaq for Duncan and Magic, Isiah, Payton, and Stockton for Jordan.

[LikeABosh]

Cherry picking.

[97 bulls]

Garnett, Webber, Dwight and Rasheed aren't bad players
True

[DonDadda59]

the jazz were great. i said his competition was shitty

jordan faced bryon russell and jeff hornacek


and the jazz didnt come back 2 seasons later to sweep LA.. i think you have your years mixed up

2 years after 97 is 1999 in which LA lost to san antonio
2 years after 98 is 2000 in which LA won the nba title

Uh, so did SidekickBe...

97 Playoffs vs Jazz: 8.8 PPG on 31.2% FG (including 4 clutch airballs)
98 Playoffs vs Jazz: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG (15.4 PPG on 42.4% FG in RS)

:confusedshrug:


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As usual, SidekickBe's legacy is based mainly on the heavy lifting that Shaq did. Care to post the stats for Kobe's 'wins' against these squads?

[sportjames23]

Uh, so did SidekickBe...

97 Playoffs vs Jazz: 8.8 PPG on 31.2% FG (including 4 clutch airballs)
98 Playoffs vs Jazz: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG (15.4 PPG on 42.4% FG in RS)

:confusedshrug:



As usual, SidekickBe's legacy is based mainly on the heavy lifting that Shaq did. Care to post the stats for Kobe's 'wins' against these squads?


RIP kenneth

[Sarcastic]

RIP kenneth

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[stalkerforlife]

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:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

I could just picture you and that pasty bitch Stalker hanging out...both in kobe jersey's (8 and 24) with the love gay love blossoming at first sight...not that there is anything wrong with that...where a man wants to stick or take a member is his own business...I'm actually rooting for you both. Hopefully you will fall in love and each finally get a life.

:biggums:

Damn son, you have some demons.

[AlphaWolf24]

Clyde Drexler( in his prime in 92) alone is better than basically anyone Kobe faced off against at the shooting guard position in the finals, possible exception of Iverson. Otherwise, Kobe beat a 35 year old Miller( that MJ beat two years earlier in the ECF), Iverson( same class as Drexler in GOAT rankings), Kerry Kittles (LMAO), Pietrus?( I can't remember who the starting SG was for Orlando) and a mid-30's Ray Allen. If the OP is gonna throw in all the perimeter players Kobe saw in the finals to pad the list( like Kidd and Pierce) then add Magic, Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Gary Payton, and John Stockton to MJ's list.


Drexler couldn't even dribble with his head up...:confusedshrug: definition of "era specific player"

It's already well established that the early 00's championship was played in the WCFinals.....I don't even think the 01' sixers or 02' Nets get past the 1rst round in the West.

It was Basically the Lakers vs the Spurs....who ever was going to win that matchup was gonna destroy the east.



- meanwhile in the watered down 90's.....MJ had to battle 6'2" John Starks who barely made the NBA and bagged grocery's at the piggly wiggly months before starting in the NBA

- Clyde Drexler.....a poor Mans Westbrook...except Westbrook can actually dribble

- Richard Dumas who just got outta rehab months before guarding prime MJ....and Jeff Horankek.....or Adam Keefe.....same players who couldn't guard 18 year old Kobe.


Watered down 90's was hack basketball...by far the worst era .....aesthetically horrible also.

90's Knicks...Yuck!

[Dragonyeuw]

Drexler couldn't even dribble with his head up...:confusedshrug: definition of "era specific player"

It's already well established that the early 00's championship was played in the WCFinals.....I don't even think the 01' sixers or 02' Nets get past the 1rst round in the West.

It was Basically the Lakers vs the Spurs....who ever was going to win that matchup was gonna destroy the east.



- meanwhile in the watered down 90's.....MJ had to battle 6'2" John Starks who barely made the NBA and bagged grocery's at the piggly wiggly months before starting in the NBA

- Clyde Drexler.....a poor Mans Westbrook...except Westbrook can actually dribble

- Richard Dumas who just got outta rehab months before guarding prime MJ....and Jeff Horankek.....or Adam Keefe.....same players who couldn't guard 18 year old Kobe.


Watered down 90's was hack basketball...by far the worst era .....aesthetically horrible also.

90's Knicks...Yuck!

So because Drexler didnt have modern handles, that makes him a bad player? Drexler was putting up 18/5/5 at 36 in 98, 15 years after he came into the league against a completely different generation of talent. But he was era specific....ok.

Ok, so if we're counting the early 2000s Wcf as ' the finals', and the point of the OP is comparing who Kobe was playing against, Antonio Daniels in 2001, and a past prime Steve Smith in 02. That didnt really help Kennys argument or yours. And of course, by saying the wcf finals was the finals, that takes the focus off the mediocre talent Kobe directly faced, like Eric Snow, Aaron Mckie, Kerry Kittles all of whom are worse than Byron Scott, Majerle, Hornachek, forget about Drexler.

Interesting how you dont mention Payton amongst guys MJ faced in the finals, who was pretty much better than anyone Kobe matched up with, but then agendas and all.

[Elosha]

Not the same team once Horace Grant went down in game 1.

"He averaged 16.9 points and 11.6 rebounds as the Magic went 7-1 through the first two playoff series. His 65.6 percent shooting was the best in the playoffs and he was leading the Magic in minutes played, rebounding and shooting. He also led the Magic with six playoff games with double figures in both rebounding and scoring, including a 29-point, 20-rebound game against Atlanta."


Jon Koncak was his replacement. We all know what happened the year before, where Jordan actually had better numbers,

That's a fair point, but it's also a fair point to mention the Bulls were utterly destroying the Magic in Game 1 before Horace got hurt. Grant was good but there's no way the Magic would have gotten more than a game in the series if he was healthy.

[3ball]

Drexler was a poor man's Westbrook




Drexler was 25/7/6 with 2.2 steals for five years (88'-92'), and 21/7/6 with 2.0 steals for his career - ALL AT 48% FG.

These stats and eye test are better than Westbrook:


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[Dr Hawk]

Jordan won inthe golden 90's era.GOAT by a mile

[3ball]

Richard Dumas got outta rehab before guarding MJ




Dumas averaged 16 ppg on 57% in the 1993 Finals against the so-called great defender in Pippen...

Those numbers get role players the FMVP nowadays.


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[Young X]

Kobe faced much better perimeter players than MJ not even arguable. The 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s was arguably on MJs team lmfaoNOT in the playoffs though.

[AlphaWolf24]

Drexler was 25/7/6 with 2.2 steals for five years (88'-92'), and 21/7/6 with 2.0 steals for his career - ALL AT 48% FG.

These stats and eye test are better than Westbrook:




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eyes up the whole time!

last year westbrook put up 28PPG 7reb 8ast ..the 4 years prior he put similar numbers as Drexler....while playing with a MVP 25 - 30 ppg scorer teammate.

Westbrook playing with scrubs like Jerome Kersey and Duckworth would put up higher numbers then Drexler did...

especially playing in 80's.


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[kennethgriffin]

NOT in the playoffs though.


ummm


Peja Stojakovic
mike bibby
Jason Kidd
scottie pippen
steve smith
allen iverson
steve francis
chauncey billups
richard hamilton
manu ginobili
steve nash
deron williams
tony parker
latrell sprewell
chris paul
shawn marion
carmelo anthony
rajon rondo
ray allen
paul pierce
ron artest
russell westbrook
kevin durant
james harden

[AlphaWolf24]

Dumas averaged 16 ppg on 57% in the 1993 Finals against the so-called great defender in Pippen...

Those numbers get role players the FMVP nowadays.


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yep...they had to switch Pippen on him...just like they had to put Pippen on Magic in 1991.

Richard Dumas was giving Pippen and MJ fits everywhere on the court ( because of his ability to play above the rim)....luckily they played in the watered down 90's.

Dumas and Starks wouldn't even be in the Modern day NBA.....

[Young X]

ummm


Peja Stojakovic
mike bibby
Jason Kidd
scottie pippen
steve smith
allen iverson
steve francis
chauncey billups
richard hamilton
manu ginobili
steve nash
deron williams
tony parker
latrell sprewell
chris paul
shawn marion
carmelo anthony
rajon rondo
ray allen
paul pierce
ron artest
russell westbrook
kevin durant
james hardenMagic
Bird
Drexler
Wilkins
Worthy
Stockton
Payton
KJ
Thomas
Dumars
Moncrief
Miller
Rice
Price
Harper
Smith

>>> your list

:oldlol: @ some of the names you listed. Westbrook and Harden weren't even close to their primes either.

Jordan no doubt faced better perimeter players in the playoffs. That's not even debatable.

[ImKobe]

Magic
Bird
Drexler
Wilkins
Worthy
Stockton
Payton
KJ
Thomas
Dumars
Moncrief
Miller
Rice
Price
Harper
Smith

>>> your list

:oldlol: @ some of the names you listed. Westbrook and Harden weren't even close to their primes either.

Jordan no doubt faced better perimeter players in the playoffs. That's not even debatable.


AI and KD are better than any perimeter player Jordan beat in the Playoffs, period. A washed up Magic Johnson (who had HIV) at that point was not better than prime AI nor a KD that won the scoring title and averaged 30/8/3 a game on 48% shooting. Even Melo is better than Drexler and Miller...sorry.

What's the point of putting Bird on that list when the Bulls barely won 30 games with Jordan being out most of the year with a broken foot which resulted them in playing as an 8 seed (Playoffs with 30 wins??) against the Celtics, a team they had no chance beating...

[AlphaWolf24]

Magic
Bird = Nowitski
Drexler - Westbrook is better
Wilkins - Tmac was better
Worthy - Durant was better
Stockton - Nash was better
Payton - J Kidd was better
KJ - CP3 was better
Thomas - AI was better
Dumars - Pierce was better
Moncrief - Francis was better
Miller - Ray Allen was better
Rice - Carmelo was better
Price - Vince was better
Harper - Wade was Better
Smith - Lebron was Better

>>> your list

:oldlol: @ some of the names you listed. Westbrook and Harden weren't even close to their primes either.

Jordan no doubt faced better perimeter players in the playoffs. That's not even debatable.

that was sooooo........2EZ

[kennethgriffin]

Magic
Bird
Drexler
Wilkins
Worthy
Stockton
Payton
KJ
Thomas
Dumars
Moncrief
Miller
Rice
Price
Harper
Smith

>>> your list

:oldlol: @ some of the names you listed. Westbrook and Harden weren't even close to their primes either.

Jordan no doubt faced better perimeter players in the playoffs. That's not even debatable.


I listed players kobe was actually competitive with

The best names on your list are guys that ate jordan for breakfast, lunch and dinner during years the bulls shouldnt even have been in the playoffs... the rest are guys past their prime or on teams vastly inferior to chicago

[Young X]

Kobe stans are terrible.

So now Bird and Dirk are equals.

Iverson and 3rd year Durant are better than '91 Magic.

2nd year Westbrook is better than prime Drexler (SMFH).

Steve Francis is better than Sidney Moncrief.

Why do I even bother?

And why would you bring up Wade, Lebron, T-Mac, and Vince when we're talking about the PLAYOFFS.

Kobe never faced those guys in the postseason.

[allball]

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eyes up the whole time!

last year westbrook put up 28PPG 7reb 8ast ..the 4 years prior he put similar numbers as Drexler....while playing with a MVP 25 - 30 ppg scorer teammate.

Westbrook playing with scrubs like Jerome Kersey and Duckworth would put up higher numbers then Drexler did...

especially playing in 80's.


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you have no idea what you're talking about

[AlphaWolf24]

you have no idea what you're talking about


been following / watching passionately as well as playing /coaching since before you were born....

I got striped tube socks older then you...

go away...son.

[3ball]

yep...they had to switch Pippen onto Dumas...just like they had to put Pippen on Magic in 1991.


Pippen guarded Dumas from the opening tip of the 1993 Finals until the final horn... MJ didn't guard Dumas a single possession in the 1993 Finals.. Dumas did all his damage on Pippen.

Dumas regular season average was 16 ppg, which was the same as his Finals average, except he shot 57% in the Finals...

Again, 16 ppg on 57% is enough to get FMVP in today's game... #2015weakera

[Blue&Orange]

Dumas and Starks wouldn't even be in the Modern day NBA.....

You realize James Harden is a superstar in "Modern day NBA" right? :lol



confusing modern with soft, it happens a lot.

[AlphaWolf24]

Pippen guarded Dumas from the opening tip of the 1993 Finals until the final horn... MJ didn't guard Dumas a single possession in the 1993 Finals.. Dumas did all his damage on Pippen.

Dumas regular season average was 16 ppg, which was the same as his Finals average, except he shot 57% in the Finals...

Again, 16 ppg on 57% is enough to get FMVP in today's game... #2015weakera

Dumas blowing past MJ for he easy bucket...MJ actually threw his arms down in disgust...reminded me of Chris Paul.

https://youtu.be/nDkuVSFWogg?t=379

Of course Phil is going to put the Bulls best defender " Pippen" on Dumas....MJ had to Guard Danny Ainge....:lol

recap: Dumas gets outta rehab doesn't play in the NBA for years and is automatically dropping 16PPG on MJ and Pippen in the Finals....

watered down 90's in a nutshell.



2EZ...next

[sportjames23]

Kobe stans takin Ls like Ronda Rousey on Saturday night. :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe stans takin Ls like Ronda Rousey on Saturday night. :oldlol:

"Ronda Rousey would beat my ***" - Lebron James







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[AlphaWolf24]

I'm going to go play Hoop for the next few hours...



I'll be back later to see if anyone needs to be schooled on Basketball History....or Chicago Bulls History for that matter.








2EZ

[AlphaWolf24]

MJ didn't guard Dumas... MJ guarded Majerle and KJ the entire series..

Pippen was matched up with Dumas the entire series and got his ass bust by Dumas.. This is well-known fact... So don't try to preach the sky is pink... Everyone knows you're lying.


WTF....

watch the video....He was guarded by MJ multiple times in that one game alone...


Dumas coldn't even dribble between his legs....and still was tearing up Prime MJ.

[3ball]

WTF....

watch the video....He was guarded by MJ multiple times in that one game alone...


Dumas coldn't even dribble between his legs....and still was tearing up Prime MJ.
That highlight was in Game 5 and it was a switch - MJ didn't guard Dumas in the 1993 Finals... MJ guarded Majerle and KJ the entire series..

Pippen was matched up with Dumas the entire series and got his ass bust by Dumas.. This is well-known fact... So don't try to preach the sky is pink... Everyone knows you're lying.

[sportjames23]

"Ronda Rousey would beat my ***" - Lebron James







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You think I'm a Lebron fan? How long you know me, breh?

[JtotheIzzo]

so i asked him


"who the f*ck did michael jordan beat?"



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he didn't have shit to say


now don't get me wrong. jordan is still atleast arguably the goat to me with kareem having a say in the discussion. but it just amazes me how hypocritical the public is depending on their agenda

never happened

[Hey Yo]

You think I'm a Lebron fan? How long you know me, breh?
What's it say under your s/n?



2EZ

[3ball]

.
..........TOP 10 NON-BIGS


...2000-2014.............1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway



Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Alex English, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Latrell Sprewell, Sidney Moncrief, Mitch Richmond, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034), Mark Aguirre, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Jeff Hornacek, Allan Houston, Jeff Malone

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis

[SouBeachTalents]

.
..........TOP 10 NON-BIGS


...2000-2014.............1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway



Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Alex English, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Latrell Sprewell, Sidney Moncrief, Mitch Richmond, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034), Mark Aguirre, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Jeff Hornacek, Allan Houston, Jeff Malone

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis

Being disingenuous as **** leaving out players like CP3, Parker, Nash, Billups, Kidd, etc

[3ball]

Being disingenuous as **** leaving out players like CP3, Parker, Nash, Billups, Kidd, etc
those are all point guards, which are matched by Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, John Stockton, Rod Strickland, Marbury

i didn't include them because point guards generally don't compete with wing players, except Westbrook, AI, Penny, Magic and Payton

Btw, Jason Kidd was an all-star in 1996 and 1998, so he counts in the 90's and 2000's category
.

[kennethgriffin]

those are all point guards, which are matched by Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, John Stockton, Rod Strickland, Marbury

i didn't include them because point guards generally don't compete with wing players, except Westbrook, AI, Penny, Magic and Payton

Btw, Jason Kidd was an all-star in 1996 and 1998, so he counts in the 90's and 2000's category
.


kobes matched up with tons of PGs throughout his career


and did you really list kawhi over ray allen

[allball]

been following / watching passionately as well as playing /coaching since before you were born....

I got striped tube socks older then you...

go away...son.


if you think Kersey was scrub none of that matters and I'm 48 years old "Dad"

[kennethgriffin]

kobes competition on BBR top 250

15. LeBron James 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8862
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
89. Shawn Marion 0.7559
108. Joe Johnson 0.5056
111. James Harden 0.4668
114. Stephen Curry 0.4525
117. Rajon Rondo 0.4340
118. Russell Westbrook 0.3858
122. Reggie Miller* 0.3111
127. Anfernee Hardaway 0.2872
134. Gilbert Arenas 0.2415
138. Manu Ginobili 0.2005
152. Peja Stojakovic 0.1254
157. Sam Cassell 0.1123
163. Deron Williams 0.0948
165. Steve Francis 0.0892
172. Stephon Marbury 0.0699
180. Latrell Sprewell 0.0500
195. Eddie Jones 0.0347
208. Baron Davis 0.0233
219. Richard Hamilton 0.0176
226. Michael Finley 0.0145
229. Andre Iguodala 0.0128




jordans competition on the top 250 on BBR





13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9990
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
86. Tim Hardaway 0.7919
88. Joe Dumars* 0.7560
94. Mitch Richmond* 0.6998
107. Dennis Johnson* 0.5090
109. Sidney Moncrief 0.4985
115. Chris Mullin* 0.4492
122. Reggie Miller* 0.3111
127. Anfernee Hardaway 0.2872
139. Kevin Johnson 0.1905
141. Mark Price 0.1826
153. Bernard King* 0.1181
166. Glen Rice 0.0857
168. Mark Aguirre 0.0817
171. Ron Harper 0.0704
178. Tom Chambers 0.0520
180. Latrell Sprewell 0.0500
194. Detlef Schrempf 0.0375
204. Fat Lever 0.0257
210. Kenny Anderson 0.0224
213. Dan Majerle 0.0204
216. Byron Scott 0.0188

[FKAri]

and I'm 48 years old "Dad"

and you post on ISH out of all place to....get good basketbal discussions? :lol

:banana: ISH NUMBER 1 :banana:

[allball]

and you post on ISH out of all place to....get good basketbal discussions? :lol

:banana: ISH NUMBER 1 :banana:

no just once or twice every couple of months when I need a good laugh

[HighFlyer23]

Tyson would eat Jordan alive

[AlphaWolf24]

That highlight was in Game 5 and it was a switch - MJ didn't guard Dumas in the 1993 Finals... MJ guarded Majerle and KJ the entire series..

Pippen was matched up with Dumas the entire series and got his ass bust by Dumas.. This is well-known fact... So don't try to preach the sky is pink... Everyone knows you're lying.


You said MJ never guarded Dumas...you were wrong...because MJ guarded Dumas numerous times as proven in the video....

if it was off a screen or not...the Bull's defense was still set and in position....and twice it looked like there was no switch...and MJ was in his Man/zone ready to keep Dumas on the perimeter.

A) Dumas blew right past him...and scored
B) Dumas pulled up and knocked down a baseline jumper in MJ's grill...


so again..I'm right....I have physical evidence to prove I'm right....

and even still.....sometimes the sky is pink....especially at the tail end of those Cool Cali Sunsets.


now get the F back in my pocket....

[SouBeachTalents]

Bird = Nowitski
Drexler - Westbrook is better
Wilkins - Tmac was better
Worthy - Durant was better
Stockton - Nash was better
Payton - J Kidd was better
KJ - CP3 was better
Thomas - AI was better
Dumars - Pierce was better
Moncrief - Francis was better
Miller - Ray Allen was better
Rice - Carmelo was better
Price - Vince was better
Harper - Wade was Better
Smith - Lebron was Better

The bolded are either flat out wrong or extremely debatle. I mean Dirk=Bird :biggums: Are you ****ing serious?

[AlphaWolf24]

if you think Kersey was scrub none of that matters and I'm 48 years old "Dad"


cool...we need more old heads here...I don't want to make you mad....( even if you are from texas)

all I was trying to say is....If Westbrook was on the trailblazers in Drexlers place....Westbrook would be the #1 offensive option / Alpha / do everything player.....and most likely put up better offensive numbers then Drexler did.


Porter, Kersey and Duckworth would have to let him do his thing since he would be by far the best player on the team.

[HighFlyer23]

Jordan never reached the level that Tyson reached

[atljonesbro]

Jordan played in the weakest era of all time in terms of modern basketball

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan played in the weakest era of all time in terms of modern basketball

1970's say hi. 1975-79 is easily the weakest "era" of the shot clock era

[dhsilv]

The bolded are either flat out wrong or extremely debatle. I mean Dirk=Bird :biggums: Are you ****ing serious?

god thank goodness you said you disagreed. I mean a few are actually legit debates and I'd have but a few were just like "is he on crack?"

[dhsilv]

Jordan played in the weakest era of all time in terms of modern basketball

He wasn't in the league in 99....

[sportjames23]

Jordan played in the weakest era of all time in terms of modern basketball

You just started watching basketball, didn't you? :facepalm

[allball]

cool...we need more old heads here...I don't want to make you mad....( even if you are from texas)

all I was trying to say is....If Westbrook was on the trailblazers in Drexlers place....Westbrook would be the #1 offensive option / Alpha / do everything player.....and most likely put up better offensive numbers then Drexler did.


Porter, Kersey and Duckworth would have to let him do his thing since he would be by far the best player on the team.

that's highly debatable. I love how guys like to strip players like Drexler down as if they would be chumps today and guys could go back in time and dominate. guys like Westbrook are who they are because of influences like Drexler.

people talk about Drexler looking down when he dribbled. In truth Clyde was an undersized forward/wing. despite the fact he wasn't a great ballhandler he was still such a phenomenal athletic specimen that he was a perennial all star and bonafide HOFer at the guard position.

he didn't even truly become a guard until the NBA.

Just know that as the game continues to evolve in 15 years or so someone will be talking the same trash about Westbrook as dudes are talking about Clyde now

[3ball]

Westbrook's eefficiency is horrrible compared to clyd's

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

..........TOP 10 NON-BIGS


...2000-2014.............1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway



Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Alex English, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Latrell Sprewell, Sidney Moncrief, Mitch Richmond, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034), Mark Aguirre, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Jeff Hornacek, Allan Houston, Jeff Malone

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis




did you really list kawhi over ray allen


Popovich said dpoy Kawhi Leonard flashed signs of Jordan's GOAT two-way ability:


"He has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/


So according to Pop, Jordan is the standard for 2-way play.
.

[kennethgriffin]

[QUOTE=3ball]Popovich said dpoy Kawhi Leonard flashed signs of Jordan's GOAT two-way ability:

[INDENT]"[I]He has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[houston]

funny thread

[3ball]

i'l say it again.. did you really list kawhi over ray allen
Dude, forget Kawhi - REGGIE MILLER destroys Ray Allen - Compare their playoff stats:

Miller: 20.6 PPG, 44.9% FG, 60.1% TS
Allen.: 16.0 PPG, 44.3% FG, 58.0% TS


Of Note: Miller and Allen went head to head in the playoffs once. In 2000. Ray was 24, Reggie was 34. Ray averaged 22 points 7 rebounds and 3 assists for the series. Miller 24-3-3. But in the pivotal game five to decide the series, Ray was 6-21 and scored 18 points. Reggie was 15-25 and scored 41.

From 1990-2001 Miller played with three players who were selected to a combined three all-star games. Reggie Miller is 6-6 in playoff series without a single all-star teammate and has made three conference finals under those circumstances.

From 2000-2011 Allen played with five players who were selected to a combined thirteen all-star games. Ray Allen has never made a playoff appearance in his career without at least one all-star teammate.

[kennethgriffin]

Dude, forget Kawhi - REGGIE MILLER destroys Ray Allen - Compare their playoff stats:

Miller: 20.6 PPG, 44.9% FG, 60.1% TS
Allen.: 16.0 PPG, 44.3% FG, 58.0% TS


Of Note: Miller and Allen went head to head in the playoffs once. In 2000. Ray was 24, Reggie was 34. Ray averaged 22 points 7 rebounds and 3 assists for the series. Miller 24-3-3. But in the pivotal game five to decide the series, Ray was 6-21 and scored 18 points. Reggie was 15-25 and scored 41.

From 1990-2001 Miller played with three players who were selected to a combined three all-star games. Reggie Miller is 6-6 in playoff series without a single all-star teammate and has made three conference finals under those circumstances.

From 2000-2011 Allen played with five players who were selected to a combined thirteen all-star games. Ray Allen has never made a playoff appearance in his career without at least one all-star teammate.


BBR hof monitor

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Tim Duncan 1.0000
7. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
8. John Havlicek* 1.0000
9. Oscar Robertson* 1.0000
10. Bob Cousy* 1.0000
11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
12. Jerry West* 1.0000
13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
14. Karl Malone* 1.0000
15. LeBron James 1.0000
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000
19. David Robinson* 1.0000
20. Moses Malone* 1.0000
21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000
22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9990
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8862
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Pau Gasol 0.8135
85. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
86. Tim Hardaway 0.7919
87. Richie Guerin* 0.7821
88. Joe Dumars* 0.7560
89. Shawn Marion 0.7559
90. Dennis Rodman* 0.7532
91. Gail Goodrich* 0.7398
92. Amar'e Stoudemire 0.7293
93. Larry Costello 0.7097
94. Mitch Richmond* 0.6998
95. Dick McGuire* 0.6920
96. Andy Phillip* 0.6810
97. George Yardley* 0.6761
98. Nate Thurmond* 0.6684
99. Artis Gilmore* 0.6480
100. Walt Bellamy* 0.6421
101. Bobby Wanzer* 0.5970
102. Cliff Hagan* 0.5864
103. Wes Unseld* 0.5722
104. Jim Pollard* 0.5521
105. Maurice Cheeks 0.5466
106. Yao Ming 0.5259
107. Dennis Johnson* 0.5090
108. Joe Johnson 0.5056
109. Sidney Moncrief 0.4985
110. Lou Hudson 0.4786
111. James Harden 0.4668
112. Clyde Lovellette* 0.4561
113. Ben Wallace 0.4533
114. Stephen Curry 0.4525
115. Chris Mullin* 0.4492
116. Paul Westphal 0.4436
117. Rajon Rondo 0.4340
118. Russell Westbrook 0.3858
119. Shawn Kemp 0.3845
120. Jack Twyman* 0.3736
121. Jermaine O'Neal 0.3180
122. Reggie Miller* 0.3111




http://img.izismile.com/img/img7/20140505/640/this_little_girl_has_grown_up_a_little_since_we_fi rst_saw_her_640_01.jpg

[3ball]

Compare their playoff stats:

Miller: 20.6 PPG, 44.9% FG, 60.1% TS
Allen.: 16.0 PPG, 44.3% FG, 58.0% TS


Of Note: Miller and Allen went head to head in the playoffs once. In 2000. Ray was 24, Reggie was 34. Ray averaged 22 points 7 rebounds and 3 assists for the series. Miller 24-3-3. But in the pivotal game five to decide the series, Ray was 6-21 and scored 18 points. Reggie was 15-25 and scored 41.

From 1990-2001 Miller played with three players who were selected to a combined three all-star games. Reggie Miller is 6-6 in playoff series without a single all-star teammate and has made three conference finals under those circumstances.

From 2000-2011 Allen played with five players who were selected to a combined thirteen all-star games. Ray Allen has never made a playoff appearance in his career without at least one all-star teammate.

[kennethgriffin]

Compare their playoff stats:

Miller: 20.6 PPG, 44.9% FG, 60.1% TS
Allen.: 16.0 PPG, 44.3% FG, 58.0% TS


Of Note: Miller and Allen went head to head in the playoffs once. In 2000. Ray was 24, Reggie was 34. Ray averaged 22 points 7 rebounds and 3 assists for the series. Miller 24-3-3. But in the pivotal game five to decide the series, Ray was 6-21 and scored 18 points. Reggie was 15-25 and scored 41.

From 1990-2001 Miller played with three players who were selected to a combined three all-star games. Reggie Miller is 6-6 in playoff series without a single all-star teammate and has made three conference finals under those circumstances.

From 2000-2011 Allen played with five players who were selected to a combined thirteen all-star games. Ray Allen has never made a playoff appearance in his career without at least one all-star teammate.


tmacs playoff stats are phenomenal


hes also a 2nd round virgin


next

[3ball]

tmacs playoff stats are phenomenal

hes also a 2nd round virgin



:wtf: Miller took his team to the 2000 Finals and thoroughly outplayed Kobe:


Miller in 2000 Finals: 24 ppg on 43%
Kobe. in 2000 Finals: 15 ppg on 36%


Remember, in the 1st round of 2000 playoffs, Miller destroyed Ray Allen too - Ray was 24 years old, Reggie was 34. Ray averaged 22 points 7 rebounds and 3 assists for the series. Miller 24-3-3. But in the pivotal game five to decide the series, Ray was 6-21 and scored 18 points. Reggie was 15-25 and scored 41.

[sportjames23]

3ball handing out them L's. :cheers:

[riseagainst]

That Jazz team would've raped any iteration of the Shaq-Kobe Lakers

:roll:

you are melting down so hard.

:roll: