11/21 Miguel Cotto vs. Saul Alvarez for the Middleweight title (155 lbs Catchweight)

[Lebron23]

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[Lebron23]

I picked Canelo via TKO in the 9th round. Alvarez only struggled against technical boxers like Floyd, and Lara.

[Reef]

Canelo's got this. Let' see if either of these guys are brave enough to face the mandatory GGG. I bet they'll both vacate and run back to 154.

[Lebron23]

Canelo's got this. Let' see if either of these guys are brave enough to face the mandatory GGG. I bet they'll both vacate and run back to 154.


This

I am sick of this catchweight fights. In 154 they have Lara, Andrade, and the Charlo Brothers.

[plowking]

Holly Holm and Rousey could take both these guys.

No takedown defense.

[Draz]

Cotto got this.

[FKAri]

Canelo. Not gonna bother watching.

[L.Kizzle]

Cotto is gonna win. Also, have no problem with the catch-weight as both have never fought above 155 anyway.

[Wally450]

I think we see a good motivated Cotto for this fight. A lot of claims say Canelo has no footwork and will get picked apart by Cotto.

I have no clue who I think wins. I like both fighters. Probably leaning towards Canelo to see if he can continue to be the next big fighter in boxing for the next 10 years. This fight would be huge for his resume.

[L.Kizzle]

I think we see a good motivated Cotto for this fight. A lot of claims say Canelo has no footwork and will get picked apart by Cotto.

I have no clue who I think wins. I like both fighters. Probably leaning towards Canelo to see if he can continue to be the next big fighter in boxing for the next 10 years. This fight would be huge for his resume.
Unless Cotto get's old and show's his age, I can't see him losing.

Trout and Mayweather are the common opponents.

Cotto looked better vs. Mayweather than Canelo did. But Canelo looked better vs. Trout than Cotto did. Mayweather >>> Trout. So, triangle Theory tells us Cotto should win. :lol

[Reef]

Cotto is gonna win. Also, have no problem with the catch-weight as both have never fought above 155 anyway.

It's for a middleweight title. If you're fighting for the title, don't fight at a catchweight; fight at 160. Otherwise vacate and move down one freakin pound to 154. Canelo will stop Cotto.

[L.Kizzle]

It's for a middleweight title. If you're fighting for the title, don't fight at a catchweight; fight at 160. Otherwise vacate and move down one freakin pound to 154. Canelo will stop Cotto.
Middleweight is between 154.1-160. Technically, they can come in at 155, 156, 157,158 or 159.

Floyd comes in a lot of his fights at 146 (not 147.) As long as they don't go over.

[masonanddixon]

This fight doesn't excite me at all, but I hope that whichever guy wins has the balls to fight GGG and not make excuses.

[Bobcats2013]

Got the PPV ordered, this is gonna be an epic fight. I got Canelo but I wish I was more confident. This is a point where we get to see where's at currently.

[Patrick Chewing]

Canelo with the KO

[bdreason]

Hilarious they make this guy pay $1.1M just to fight. Shows you how much the belt means when the fighter forfeits the belt before the fight even takes place. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Cotto outboxed Canelo and got a UD. But the smart money would be Cinnamon.

But officially, I'll go with Cotto 116-112. That jab and left hook to the body will be a thing to behold.

[Lebron23]

I hope Canelo KO Cotto. I always love it when Roach losses a fight.

[Crown&Coke]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Cotto outboxed Canelo and got a UD. But the smart money would be Cinnamon.

But officially, I'll go with Cotto 116-112. That jab and left hook to the body will be a thing to behold.

Past couple fights Cotto been throwing that left hook with murderous intent. Going to be the punch to watch for sure. If Canelo can't avoid it that will be it

[DonDadda59]

Past couple fights Cotto been throwing that left hook with murderous intent. Going to be the punch to watch for sure. If Canelo can't avoid it that will be it

Yeah it was weird that early on in his career at 140, that was his signature... but then when he moved up he stopped using it for whatever reason. But training under Roach, his offense is back to what it was during his early days and that punch is back with a vengeance.

[Crown&Coke]

Yeah it was weird that early on in his career at 140, that was his signature... but then when he moved up he stopped using it for whatever reason. But training under Roach, his offense is back to what it was during his early days and that punch is back with a vengeance.

Forreal.

I read someplace Cotto might actually be left handed, which is why his left hook is so damaging. IDK if that's accurate or not since jab, cross, left hook has been a staple in boxing since forever.

Weird how he just quit throwing it with any fire for a good long while before Roach got his hands on him

[Crown&Coke]

Wow.

De La Hoya called it

[Rooster]

Forreal.

I read someplace Cotto might actually be left handed, which is why his left hook is so damaging. IDK if that's accurate or not since jab, cross, left hook has been a staple in boxing since forever.

Weird how he just quit throwing it with any fire for a good long while before Roach got his hands on him

Yeah Cotto is a natural southpaw so he has a lot of power on his left hand and that includes his jab. If Cotto rocked Canelo like his brother did then this fight could be interesting. Otherwise I think Canelo will win by close but UD.

[Rooster]

Yeah it was weird that early on in his career at 140, that was his signature... but then when he moved up he stopped using it for whatever reason. But training under Roach, his offense is back to what it was during his early days and that punch is back with a vengeance.

His stiff jab too at that weight class disrupted his opponent's rhythm but I don't think it will with Canelo who will probably rehydrate to 170.

[oarabbus]

His stiff jab too at that weight class disrupted his opponent's rhythm but I don't think it will with Canelo who will probably rehydrate to 170.

This dude gonna shed 25lbs of water to make weight??

[plowking]

This dude gonna shed 25lbs of water to make weight??

When I was playing bball competitively for state, I would lose 4kg (about 9lbs) during a game... Then just get it back over the course of the next day or two.

I wouldn't find it too ridiculous to think some of these guys can rehydrate 15-20lbs... Though they are far smaller than me, but still, they are far more dedicated and making millions for it. All the incentive in the world there.

[oarabbus]

When I was playing bball competitively for state, I would lose 4kg (about 9lbs) during a game... Then just get it back over the course of the next day or two.

I wouldn't find it too ridiculous to think some of these guys can rehydrate 15-20lbs... Though they are far smaller than me, but still, they are far more dedicated and making millions for it. All the incentive in the world there.


I think that's the biggest part, though. The body is 70% water. If you weigh 200lbs, that's 140lbs of water. The 140lb guy would have ~105lbs of water, and the less water you have, the less you can lose before going into severe dehydration. That's a big difference. I could see a ~200lb boxer losing/gaining 20lbs water in a day, not a 150lb boxer.

[Crown&Coke]

This dude gonna shed 25lbs of water to make weight??

Canelo routinely dehydrates to around 170. He's a big boy

[SCREWstonRockets]

This dude gonna shed 25lbs of water to make weight??
I'm actually hearing that Canelo looks drawn and having trouble cutting weight. Could be BS. We'll see at the weigh in

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Got the PPV ordered, this is gonna be an epic fight. I got Canelo but I wish I was more confident. This is a point where we get to see where's at currently.

How much was the PPV?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Canelo routinely dehydrates to around 170. He's a big boy

Yeah he did this in his last fight. I remember.

[outbreak]

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[Lebron23]

I still picked Canelo via KO, or UD

[Lebron23]

According to Floyd Mayweather Sr. The Winner of this fight is going to fight Floyd next year for his last fight.

[sundizz]

Cotto has superior speed. Speed kills. Cotto will get off the cleaner, better shots. He does look a little bit weak though (like he lost some muscle mass from his younger early prime days), but looks like he regained his aggression. If he starts doing body work like his pre-Margarita days it'll be a knockout in the 8th. Otherwise, it'll be a Split Decision Cotto (though they want to prop up Canelo so he may get hosed).

[PistonsFan#21]

its gonna be a close fight but i got Ronda Rousey via armbar

[mrpuente]

any one have a link?

[Wally450]

Miguel Cotto's wife with that 10/10 cleavage.

[PistonsFan#21]

any one have a link?

firstrowsports always got links for any sport events even if its not the greatest quality

[sundizz]

Link??????

[PistonsFan#21]

All the asian fighters ive seen in boxing so far displayed tremendous heart and courage.

:bowdown: respect

edit: props to Vargas too for a big comeback win. His eye looked in very bad shape but he didnt give up

[bdreason]

C'mon ISH, where the links at?

[TomBrady]

Using this (http://firstrowca.eu/watch/389373/1/watch-miguel-cotto-vs-canelo-alvarez.html) right now, quality is decent and it hasn't really been cutting out or stuttering.

[bdreason]

Using this (http://firstrowca.eu/watch/389373/1/watch-miguel-cotto-vs-canelo-alvarez.html) right now, quality is decent and it hasn't really been cutting out or stuttering.


Thanks. Only watched the 4th round, but Cotto looks a lot faster.

[PistonsFan#21]

Canelo looks so much heavier than Cotto in there. He must have rehydrated up to 170-175lbs

[bergs14]

Decent quality:
http://freecast.in/boxn.html

[kentatm]

only saw the last 4 rounds but I had those 3-1 Cotto.

did Canelo just wipe him out early on?

[BasedTom]

good fight

[TomBrady]

I thought that it was closer than the scorecards but good fight.

[Im so nba'd out]

weird....1st time i didnt root for anyone nobody black was fighting so i had no one to root for and no one white was fighting so i had no one to root against :biggums:


i started rooting for cotto just because in prison the mexicans group up with the whites against the blacks so i said **** em

[L.Kizzle]

I wonder if he's really gonna fight GGG next or he just said because Max called him out?

[Bobcats2013]

Very good fight man, I needed that tonight. Cotto is tough as phuck, Canelo was landing bombs on this nikka and he didn't go down once.

Canelo vs GGG is gonna be the most intense boxing match ever brah, everyone is gonna clinch there assholes to see who lands the first shot :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

All I was really focused on was Cotto's wife's titties.

[Bobcats2013]

I wonder if he's really gonna fight GGG next or he just said because Max called him out?

When Canelo says he's gonna fight someone, he does it. I know you're used to Floyd bullshitting people but Canelo hasn't bullshitted us yet. He'll do it...now what weight it happens is a different story :roll:

[L.Kizzle]

Very good fight man, I needed that tonight. Cotto is tough as phuck, Canelo was landing bombs on this nikka and he didn't go down once.

Canelo vs GGG is gonna be the most intense boxing match ever brah, everyone is gonna clinch there assholes to see who lands the first shot :oldlol:
Lol, Canelo cant hurt GGG. He was throwing bombs and couldn't get Cotto out of there.

[L.Kizzle]

When Canelo says he's gonna fight someone, he does it. I know you're used to Floyd bullshitting people but Canelo hasn't bullshitted us yet. He'll do it...now what weight it happens is a different story :roll:
Yeah, but not guys in a weight class above him.

[L.Kizzle]

All I was really focused on was Cotto's wife's titties.
Who was that lady, I though he had a fat boyfriend?

[Bobcats2013]

Lol, Canelo cant hurt GGG. He was throwing bombs and couldn't get Cotto out of there.

Canelo wasn't fast enough with the shots to really catch Cotto. When you see the punches coming it's hard to knock a tough nikka out.

GGG got wobbled by Gabe Rosado my nikka, be careful what you're saying.

[L.Kizzle]

Canelo wasn't fast enough with the shots to really catch Cotto. When you see the punches coming it's hard to knock a tough nikka out.

GGG got wobbled by Gabe Rosado my nikka, be careful what you're saying.
Gabe Rosado ... GGG will have Canelo speaking English!
I think they both overrated though. Them Charlo's will have them both taking an early nap.

[Wally450]

I was impressed with Canelo's head movement. Idk whether to be disappointed in Cotto's performance because he didn't give it his all or because Canelo kept him in check.

Either way, Canelo vs. GGG should be fun next year.

I had it 7-5 Canelo.

[Tarik One]

Cotto's wife looked like a call girl

[imnew09]

Rigged


Anyways canelo vs GGG would be better than cotto vs ggg

[Canelo_Griffin]

Im reading comments on different websites and some people seriously think Cotto won :biggums:

Damn some people really hate the ginger :facepalm

[fsvr54]

I wasn't really paying attention to the fight, but I also thought Cotto won.

[masonanddixon]

Canelo wasn't fast enough with the shots to really catch Cotto. When you see the punches coming it's hard to knock a tough nikka out.

GGG got wobbled by Gabe Rosado my nikka, be careful what you're saying.

At no point did Rosado have GGG even remotely hurt.

[Canelo_Griffin]

I wasn't really paying attention to the fight, but I also thought Cotto won.

I watched it at an Imax theatre with 300+ people. All the Cotto fans trickled out soon as the bell rang, no way anyone in their right mind had Cotto winning.

[Lebron23]

By the way I think Golovkin is going to look ordinary once he moves up to 168. Abraham just beat Martin Murray aka the best name on his resume.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUXvJ_kXAAAnxyC.jpg

[Lebron23]

Congrats to Canelo. I hope he can fight Golovkin, Quillin, and Andy Lee next year.

[1987_Lakers]

Canelo had too much power for Cotto, it was clear who won the fight. And I loved how Canelo called out Triple G after the fight.:oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

Canelo had too much power for Cotto, it was clear who won the fight. And I loved how Canelo called out Triple G after the fight.:oldlol:
Called him out ... watch Canelo ask him to come in at 155.

[Rooster]

Canelo had too much power for Cotto, it was clear who won the fight. And I loved how Canelo called out Triple G after the fight.:oldlol:

If Oscar is as smart as Haymon, he will steer him clear from Triple G and milk him until Triple G becomes vulnerable.

I think Pirog would have beaten both of these guys and triple G.

[L.Kizzle]

If Oscar is as smart as Haymon, he will steer him clear from Triple G and milk him until Triple G becomes vulnerable.

I think Pirog would have beaten both of these guys and triple G.
But who can he milk him against? Dave Lemuix? Canelo ain't fought a real 160 pound opponent yet.

[Rooster]

But who can he milk him against? Dave Lemuix? Canelo ain't fought a real 160 pound opponent yet.

He does not have to fight at 160. :confusedshrug:

He can use some name guys like Bradley to go up and fight Canelo at catch weight like at 155. If Khan is desperate for big fight and money, he might do that too.

[L.Kizzle]

He does not have to fight at 160. :confusedshrug:

He can use some name guys like Bradley to go up and fight Canelo at catch weight like at 155. If Khan is desperate for big fight and money, he might do that too.
But Bradley would beat Canelo though, so that ruins DLH's plan (Bobby would be happy though.)

[Rooster]

But Bradley would beat Canelo though, so that ruins DLH's plan (Bobby would be happy though.)

Canelo would walk Bradley down. Look at Cotto, he was busy jabbing and moving side to side that he can't sit on his punches to put a dent on Canelo agressive pressure and Bradley is a featherfist. And he's no FLoyd, he does not have that lead right that make everyone think twice on coming in.

[FKAri]

Canelo. Not gonna bother watching.

Except I did watch (lol) Great fight (don't say that often anymore)


Cotto helping to build the legacy and resume for the Mexican Blake Griffin :applause:

[masonanddixon]

All I was really focused on was Cotto's wife's titties.

Those things could solve the Mideast crisis and cure every disease known to man.

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah, but not guys in a weight class above him.
If you think Canelo ducks fighters like Mayweather then you are sadly mistaken. The guy has already fought mayweather, lara, and cotto in a 2 year span. He wants to fight the best.

[L.Kizzle]

If you think Canelo ducks fighters like Mayweather then you are sadly mistaken. The guy has already fought mayweather, lara, and cotto in a 2 year span. He wants to fight the best.
I was talking about outside his weight class.

[SCREWstonRockets]

My take on the fight, Canelo won but I didn't think it was as wide as the judges had it. The first half of the fight was fairly even I thought. Cotto was doing more work and Canelo was landing the cleaner, harder punches. Canelo took over in the later rounds. He impressed me with his boxing.

I think Canelo's power is somewhat overrated. I mean he was landing some clean hard shots on Cotto and Cotto hardly budged. Not saying hes feather fisted but I don't think he hits as hard as GGG.

Question is, what weight will they fight at? Canelo seems determined to make GGG come down to him. I think Canelo has 15 days to accept GGG as the mandatory or he loses the title (i could be wrong). So we might know soon.

Should GGG move down or should Canelo go to 160? If Its for the MW title, it should be at 160, right? Now I'm not as hard on catch weights like a lot of people. So I can give a pass for one catch weight if you are not the champ. But once you have the title, you should have to defend it at 160. It would be kind of be like Pacquiao keeping the JMW title and only defending it at 150.

[Tarik One]

Canelo won wide. He landed the harder punches all fight long. You could tell very clearly Cotto was the one that was trying to avoid exchanges. He didn't throw combinations as much as flurries so he could get off and get away. I thought Canelo was in clear control throughout. In fact I was a little embarrassed for Cotto because I thought it was so clear that Canelo was winning and yet Cotto was looking to get away. It's one thing to move when you are winning, it's something completely different to move when you are losing. If you are losing while moving you have to stand and fight. I thought it was quite evident that Roach put together yet another poor plan and had no plan B per usual. Roach is a great trainer if you are going to dominate, he'll make you look a million bucks because he is all about offense. But if you get in with someone that will hit you back Roach offers nothing, you are alone.

I think they both looked rather mediocre. I assume Cotto will consider retirement, I think he should. He is not a middleweight, he can beat the Geale types but I could name 15 fighters between MW and Jr MW that might very well beat him at this point in his career and those divisions suck. It's not an indictment of Cotto, he has been a great champion but the best of him is gone. He can no longer make a weight he could be elite in. And Canelo is a decent fighter but will always have a low workrate because he is exhausted after 4 punches. His legs will always be shockingly slow. He seriously needs to work on his endurance if he wants to take on heavier guys.

[masonanddixon]

Canelo won wide. He landed the harder punches all fight long. You could tell very clearly Cotto was the one that was trying to avoid exchanges. He didn't throw combinations as much as flurries so he could get off and get away. I thought Canelo was in clear control throughout. In fact I was a little embarrassed for Cotto because I thought it was so clear that Canelo was winning and yet Cotto was looking to get away. It's one thing to move when you are winning, it's something completely different to move when you are losing. If you are losing while moving you have to stand and fight. I thought it was quite evident that Roach put together yet another poor plan and had no plan B per usual. Roach is a great trainer if you are going to dominate, he'll make you look a million bucks because he is all about offense. But if you get in with someone that will hit you back Roach offers nothing, you are alone.

I think they both looked rather mediocre. I assume Cotto will consider retirement, I think he should. He is not a middleweight, he can beat the Geale types but I could name 15 fighters between MW and Jr MW that might very well beat him at this point in his career and those divisions suck. It's not an indictment of Cotto, he has been a great champion but the best of him is gone. He can no longer make a weight he could be elite in. And Canelo is a decent fighter but will always have a low workrate because he is exhausted after 4 punches. His legs will always be shockingly slow. He seriously needs to work on his endurance if he wants to take on heavier guys.

Yeah I agree completely. I had Canelo by 3 rounds actually but you could easily make the argument he won by 7-8 rounds.