Isn't the Islamic State Just the Muslim Equivalent...

[DonDadda59]

Of the sort of Theocracy many Christians want to live under?

I watched a nice in depth documentary by Vice News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94) that showed the everyday lives of citizens living in the Islamic State. Their lives, down to every minute detail, are governed by Sharia and their Holy Book. From how they conduct business, to the legal system, even their personal lives (drinking alcohol gets you a long prison sentence and whip lashes).

There are plenty of people who think our lives and our laws should be controlled by what is in the bible. You even have some public officials like Kim Davis who shun our legal code in favor of their personal religious beliefs. Ben Carson has presented a tax plan based on Biblical tithing.

[Nick Young]

Vice News:roll:

of course you were.

No. Most Christians today do not want to live under a back-to-basics fundamentalist approach to the Old and New Testament.

If they did, the majority Christian population on Earth would be pushing for these laws to become legislation. Nothing is stopping them. Where are the neo-fundamentalist Christian terrorists trying to push society back to the last millenium?


Your "brilliant idea" is nothing more than the fart of a dumbass.

[Akrazotile]

Of the sort of Theocracy many Christians want to live under?

I watched a nice in depth documentary by Vice News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94) that showed the everyday lives of citizens living in the Islamic State. Their lives, down to every minute detail, are governed by Sharia and their Holy Book. From how they conduct business, to the legal system, even their personal lives (drinking alcohol gets you a long prison sentence and whip lashes).

There are plenty of people who think our lives and our laws should be controlled by what is in the bible. You even have some public officials like Kim Davis who shun our legal code in favor of their personal religious beliefs. Ben Carson has presented a tax plan based on Biblical tithing.


Ehh, in general practice Christianity has always been more Orthodox than Orthopractic, relative to Judaism and Islam. Meaning, in Christian societies, the emphasis is on what you hold to be true. What your faith is. Islam and Judaism are much more ritual-based. Eating certain foods, praying at certain times, all sorts of interpretations of the biblical scriptures (and often ideas that don't come from the bible as well) that require a uniform set of practices. Jews have a massive tradition of this and they study and morph the Talmud like a long legal document. My understanding is that Islam is similar in this regard.

Of course there are Christians who believe certain elements of the bible should be more enforced in society, and which elements those are often varies from person to person. But even in middle ages Europe, you don't really have a huge emphasis on ritual and living out definitive legal injunctions from the bible. It's more of an emphasis on accepting and living the general message.

So in that sense, in practice, Christianity really isn't and hasn't been like Islam as far as trying to control everyone's behavior.

[DonDadda59]

Vice News:roll:

What's the issue with Vice? They showed the everyday lives of everyone from soldiers to street vendors in the IS. It was good reporting. :confusedshrug:


of course you were.

No. Most Christians today do not want to live under a back-to-basics fundamentalist approach to the Old and New Testament.

If they did, the majority Christian population on Earth would be pushing for these laws to become legislation.


Your "brilliant idea" is nothing more than the fart of a dumbass.

Obviously most don't want to, they're half-assed religious people who go to Church on some Holidays but do nothing else that constitutes being Christian. But there are those who believe our lives and laws should be modeled after the Bible.

Even ISIS isn't representative of most Muslims. I think the latest figures have them numbering like 20-30,000 which is a miniscule portion of the Muslim World... But they control a huge portion of the land mass and people within that are living under a Theocracy based on Sharia/The Q'uran.

It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc.

[ALBballer]

Of the sort of Theocracy many Christians want to live under?

I watched a nice in depth documentary by Vice News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94) that showed the everyday lives of citizens living in the Islamic State. Their lives, down to every minute detail, are governed by Sharia and their Holy Book. From how they conduct business, to the legal system, even their personal lives (drinking alcohol gets you a long prison sentence and whip lashes).

There are plenty of people who think our lives and our laws should be controlled by what is in the bible. You even have some public officials like Kim Davis who shun our legal code in favor of their personal religious beliefs. Ben Carson has presented a tax plan based on Biblical tithing.

Not Christians per se but there are some similarities with the far right neocons. If you substituted the word "God" by "allah" in some of the statements made by these republican candidates it would sound like some of the crazy Muslim clerics you see on youtubers. These fockers are talking about God's tax plan and I recently read a statement about Cruz getting on his knees for God (aka Allah.)

With that said, it's still a bit of a false equivalency. Even the far right neocons are more secular and believe in multi-religious tolerance (for the most part) compared to the Sharia law Muslim states.

[LikeABosh]

When will this meme die? Where is the Christian equivalent of ISIS, where are the millions of jihadist Christians? So some stupid bitch county clerk refused to recognize the marriage of gay people, and was thus thrown in jail for contempt of court. Many studies and polls show HUGE numbers of muslims support jihad, while much more support Sharia Law

[DonDadda59]

Not Christians but there are some similarities with the far right neocons. If you substituted the word "God" by "allah" in some of the statements made by these republican candidates it would sound like some of the crazy Muslim clerics you see on youtubers. These fockers are talking about God's tax plan and I recently read a statement about Cruz getting on his knees for God (aka Allah.)

With that said, it's still a bit of a false equivalency. Even the far right neocons are more secular and believe in multi-religious tolerance (for the most part) compared to the Sharia law Muslim states.

Not really. If it were up to them, they'd ship out every Muslim along with the 15 million Mexicans they're already planning on deporting. Even Donald Trump was talking about closing down Mosques in America a few days ago.

Just because they're presently forced to live in a non-homogeneous culture... doesn't mean they like that fact.

EDIT- Trump actually went on the record earlier today that he would 'strongly consider' shutting down Mosques in America. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/donald-trump-paris-attacks-close-mosques/)

[LikeABosh]

What's the issue with Vice? They showed the everyday lives of everyone from soldiers to street vendors in the IS. It was good reporting. :confusedshrug:



Obviously most don't want to, they're half-assed religious people who go to Church on some Holidays but do nothing else that constitutes being Christian. But there are those who believe our lives and laws should be modeled after the Bible.

Even ISIS isn't representative of most Muslims. I think the latest figures have them numbering like 20-30,000 which is a miniscule portion of the Muslim World... But they control a huge portion of the land mass and people within that are living under a Theocracy based on Sharia/The Q'uran.

It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc.
Does ISIS control countries like Saudi Arabia?

[ALBballer]

When will this meme die? Where is the Christian equivalent of ISIS, where are the millions of jihadist Christians? So some stupid bitch county clerk refused to recognize the marriage of gay people, and was thus thrown in jail for contempt of court. Many studies and polls show HUGE numbers of muslims support jihad, while much more support Sharia Law

How many civilians have been killed by drones? How many civilians have died under the invasions from the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan? How many democratic governments has the United States overthrown in the Middle East? How many dictators has the United States supported that have killed many of their own people?

The Muslims moreso the extremist muslims are no doubt crazy but US intervention has made the problem even worst.

Take suicide bombers for example, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Iraq never had a suicide terrorist attack in all of its history. Between 1995 and 2004 two-thirds of all attacks came from countries where the U.S. had troops stationed. 15 of the 19 participants in the 9/11 attacks were Saudis (United State's biggest ally in the middle east)

[DonDadda59]

Does ISIS control countries like Saudi Arabia?

I don't think so. :confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

Not Christians but there are some similarities with the far right neocons. If you substituted the word "God" by "allah" in some of the statements made by these republican candidates it would sound like some of the crazy Muslim clerics you see on youtubers. These fockers are talking about God's tax plan and I recently read a statement about Cruz getting on his knees for God (aka Allah.)

With that said, it's still a bit of a false equivalency. Even the far right neocons are more secular and believe in multi-religious tolerance (for the most part) compared to the Sharia law Muslim states.


This is all 'primary talk' though of course, whichever candidate passes through to the general election will tone down the religious fervor significantly. There are a lot of religious people in this country, and attitudes vary on how separate church and state should be.

At the end of the day though, God gives a lot of people strength. Religious people typically have more discipline, work harder, overcome addiction more easily, are stronger in combat, etc etc. Even if you don't believe in God and think that's a placebo effect, the fact is it's real. And when you couple the Islamic passion for allah with the fact that they are looking out at a western world much richer than they are, and the fact that they are breeding like no other, it just doesn't make much sense to wanna let these people go about their business and simply trust that they won't bother us if we don't bother them. Recipe for disaster.

The planet itself is overpopulated. We are ruining the natural environment because there are too many people. If we're really just evolved beings sprouted from a primordial soup by chance and part of the dominant society by complete luck, then doesn't it make sense to preserve our own shit? By the liberal atheist view, shouldn't we straight up sterilize the shit out of these people with no apologies?

Please tell me where I am wrong in that logic.

[LikeABosh]

I don't think so. :confusedshrug:
What are you confused about? Maybe you should re-read your own comments.

[ALBballer]

Not really. If it were up to them, they'd ship out every Muslim along with the 15 million Mexicans they're already planning on deporting. Even Donald Trump was talking about closing down Mosques in America a few days ago.

Just because they're presently forced to live in a non-homogeneous culture... doesn't mean they like that fact.

EDIT- Trump actually went on the record earlier today that he would 'strongly consider' shutting down Mosques in America. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/donald-trump-paris-attacks-close-mosques/)

Maybe they would deport Muslims but not Mexicans. The far right Neocons play the game of anti-immigration to gain support from their lower class white folks but the corporations that fund them would never let that happen.

TBH sometimes I feel the neocons dislike atheists and the left more than they do Muslims. In the end, deeply religious Muslims and Neocons beliefs do not differ that much. Antigay, believe in traditional marriages, anti-abortions, etc.

[DonDadda59]

What are you confused about? Maybe you should re-read your own comments.

Ain't nobody got time for that bullshit. Give me the cliff notes.


This is all 'primary talk' though of course, whichever candidate passes through to the general election will tone down the religious fervor significantly. There are a lot of religious people in this country, and attitudes vary on how separate church and state should be.

At the end of the day though, God gives a lot of people strength. Religious people typically have more discipline, work harder, overcome addiction more easily, are stronger in combat, etc etc. Even if you don't believe in God and think that's a placebo effect, the fact is it's real. And when you couple the Islamic passion for allah with the fact that they are looking out at a western world much richer than they are, and the fact that they are breeding like no other, it just doesn't make much sense to wanna let these people go about their business and simply trust that they won't bother us if we don't bother them. Recipe for disaster.

The planet itself is overpopulated. We are ruining the natural environment because there are too many people. If we're really just evolved beings sprouted from a primordial soup by chance and part of the dominant society by complete luck, then doesn't it make sense to preserve our own shit? By the liberal atheist view, shouldn't we straight up sterilize the shit out of these people with no apologies?

Please tell me where I am wrong in that logic.

You know what, I don't think I've ever heard any liberal or atheist argue for the sterilization of a whole religion or ethnic group. I'll have to sift through Richard Dawkins videos and essays to make sure though.

[Patrick Chewing]

How many civilians have been killed by drones? How many civilians have died under the invasions from the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan? How many democratic governments has the United States overthrown in the Middle East? How many dictators has the United States supported that have killed many of their own people?


Were those Christian drones?? Did the invasions leave behind churches instead of mosques? I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here. Oh that's right, you're trying to deflect from the real issue of how violent the Muslim religion makes some people.

[LikeABosh]

Ain't nobody got time for that bullshit. Give me the cliff notes.
"Even ISIS isn't representative of most Muslims. I think the latest figures have them numbering like 20-30,000 which is a miniscule portion of the Muslim World... But they control a huge portion of the land mass and people within that are living under a Theocracy based on Sharia/The Q'uran." So what about countries like Saudi Arabia following Sharia Law?

[Akrazotile]

EDIT- Trump actually went on the record earlier today that he would 'strongly consider' shutting down Mosques in America. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/donald-trump-paris-attacks-close-mosques/)

I don't see the problem.

The Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms without exception. Yet we've made exceptions based on the conditions of modern society.

We can't make an exception to exclude Islam from the right to religious freedom in America, based on the conditions of modern society?

Do you think Islam is doing any good in America? What is the harm in prohibiting it? And please don't say "unconstitutional" unless you think all guns of all kinds should be legal.

[ALBballer]

This is all 'primary talk' though of course, whichever candidate passes through to the general election will tone down the religious fervor significantly. There are a lot of religious people in this country, and attitudes vary on how separate church and state should be.

At the end of the day though, God gives a lot of people strength. Religious people typically have more discipline, work harder, overcome addiction more easily, are stronger in combat, etc etc. Even if you don't believe in God and think that's a placebo effect, the fact is it's real. And when you couple the Islamic passion for allah with the fact that they are looking out at a western world much richer than they are, and the fact that they are breeding like no other, it just doesn't make much sense to wanna let these people go about their business and simply trust that they won't bother us if we don't bother them. Recipe for disaster.

The planet itself is overpopulated. We are ruining the natural environment because there are too many people. If we're really just evolved beings sprouted from a primordial soup by chance and part of the dominant society by complete luck, then doesn't it make sense to preserve our own shit? By the liberal atheist view, shouldn't we straight up sterilize the shit out of these people with no apologies?

Please tell me where I am wrong in that logic.

You're off on a bit of a tangent but yes the Left is extremely hypocritical when they complain about overpopulation but promote immigration from high birth rates countries and don't condem the huge birthrates in Africa and the Middle East, and that is solely because the left is too scared to be labeled as "racist."

[poido123]

What's the issue with Vice? They showed the everyday lives of everyone from soldiers to street vendors in the IS. It was good reporting. :confusedshrug:



Obviously most don't want to, they're half-assed religious people who go to Church on some Holidays but do nothing else that constitutes being Christian. But there are those who believe our lives and laws should be modeled after the Bible.

Even ISIS isn't representative of most Muslims. I think the latest figures have them numbering like 20-30,000 which is a miniscule portion of the Muslim World... But they control a huge portion of the land mass and people within that are living under a Theocracy based on Sharia/The Q'uran.

It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc.



You sound conflicted and troubled.


Go see your local pastor for guidance :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

Maybe they would deport Muslims but not Mexicans. The far right Neocons play the game of anti-immigration to gain support from their lower class white folks but the corporations that fund them would never let that happen.

TBH sometimes I feel the neocons dislike atheists and the left more than they do Muslims. In the end, deeply religious Muslims and Neocons beliefs do not differ that much. Antigay, believe in traditional marriages, anti-abortions, etc.

Pretty much what I was getting at. :applause:

Just two sides of the same coin.


You sound conflicted and troubled.


Go see your local pastor for guidance :cheers:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hQeIi20KiaU/TWdd8VGQD4I/AAAAAAAACa8/GWww5xaMw7E/s1600/You%2BGonna%2BGet%2BRaped.jpg

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[LikeABosh]

Pretty much what I was getting at. :applause:

Just two sides of the same coin.
It's not even comparable though in terms of number of people and violence.

[ALBballer]

Were those Christian drones?? Did the invasions leave behind churches instead of mosques? I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here. Oh that's right, you're trying to deflect from the real issue of how violent the Muslim religion makes some people.

Islam is a shit religion followed by people that are stuck in the 15 century mentality but United states is more violent, has killed more people, overthrown more democratically elected governments, supported more corrupt regimes than Islam will ever hope to do.

[Akrazotile]

You're off on a bit of a tangent but yes the Left is extremely hypocritical when they complain about overpopulation but promote immigration from high birth rates countries and don't condem the huge birthrates in Africa and the Middle East, and that is solely because the left is too scared to be labeled as "racist."


But don't you think for our own sake and the sake of the planet, we should either offer to aid them economically if they get their birth rates down or withdrawal all aid of every kind if they don't, or else just forcibly show up and sterilize them via the military if we have to? In the long run it will do US the most good.

If you don't believe in any sort of divine universal morals, I don't see what the objection to this could be?

[Patrick Chewing]

The far right Neocons play the game of anti-immigration to gain support from their lower class white folks but the corporations that fund them would never let that happen.




Just like the Far Left plays the race card game to gain support from lower class black folks, correct? If you're going to make accusations, at least be fair about it.

[Nick Young]

What's the issue with Vice? They showed the everyday lives of everyone from soldiers to street vendors in the IS. It was good reporting. :confusedshrug:


https://38.media.tumblr.com/efe8b342ea72b81cdc434f93209c0bc2/tumblr_mh262vLdDw1rahft8o1_250.gif

[Nick Young]

Even ISIS isn't representative of most Muslims. I think the latest figures have them numbering like 20-30,000 which is a miniscule portion of the Muslim World... But they control a huge portion of the land mass and people within that are living under a Theocracy based on Sharia/The Q'uran.

It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/efe8b342ea72b81cdc434f93209c0bc2/tumblr_mh262vLdDw1rahft8o1_250.gif

1 in 4 muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda

[DonDadda59]

"Even ISIS isn't representative of most Muslims. I think the latest figures have them numbering like 20-30,000 which is a miniscule portion of the Muslim World... But they control a huge portion of the land mass and people within that are living under a Theocracy based on Sharia/The Q'uran." So what about countries like Saudi Arabia following Sharia Law?

The rest of that post was this- "It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc."

The rulers of Saudi Arabia are as guilty of crimes against humanity as any other ME ruler we've demonized and attempted to or were successful in removing from power. Only difference is they are our allies and provide us with that sweet blood oil we crave. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Nationals.


I don't see the problem.

The Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms without exception. Yet we've made exceptions based on the conditions of modern society.

We can't make an exception to exclude Islam from the right to religious freedom in America, based on the conditions of modern society?

Do you think Islam is doing any good in America? What is the harm in prohibiting it? And please don't say "unconstitutional" unless you think all guns of all kinds should be legal.

So you're with the idea of a forced homogeneous society... much like what the Nazis tried to create in Germany?

[Nick Young]

The rest of that post was this- "It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc."

The rulers of Saudi Arabia are as guilty of crimes against humanity as any other ME ruler we've demonized and attempted to or were successful in removing from power. Only difference is they are our allies and provide us with that sweet blood oil we crave. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Nationals.



So you're with the idea of a forced homogeneous society... much like what the Nazis tried to create in Germany?
al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

[LikeABosh]

Like always, libtards btfo by critical thinking and statistics.

[Nick Young]

Like always, libtards btfo by critical thinking and statistics.
Don't worry. DonDadda will come in here with the "logical" (aka emotion based) argument to refute the statistics, facts and research.

[Akrazotile]

The rest of that post was this- "It's not the first time a minority group controlled the way of life of a majority through laws, the military, etc."

The rulers of Saudi Arabia are as guilty of crimes against humanity as any other ME ruler we've demonized and attempted to or were successful in removing from power. Only difference is they are our allies and provide us with that sweet blood oil we crave. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Nationals.



So you're with the idea of a forced homogeneous society... much like what the Nazis tried to create in Germany?


Prohibiting specific elements =/= making everything the exact same.

America has operated as a Judeo-Christian society since its inception. In fact friction between jews and christians has been drastically less significant in America than anywhere else. Indian immigrants come here, some of them practice Hinduism, doesn't seem to be a problem. Same with Buddhists.

Only Islam seems to present a problem. That doesn't mean all Muslims here make trouble. But in general, Islam seems to be the one problem religion for western countries. I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging this, and saying that for OUR SAKE, for the sake of OUR SOCIETY, which is the one we have ever right to be concerned with first and foremost, muslims either need to make a choice between practicing Islam or living in America.

Obviously you can't regulate what people think, and they could still believe in it privately. But public practicing it? Acknowledgement of it by the government? Banished. Goodbye.

[poido123]

al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf



:biggums:


Good night Dadda. :eek:

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=Nick Young]https://38.media.tumblr.com/efe8b342ea72b81cdc434f93209c0bc2/tumblr_mh262vLdDw1rahft8o1_250.gif

1 in 4 muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda

[Patrick Chewing]

What is Don? I know he's a black guy. But is he a Muslim too?


If he's not, then he's a sympathizer. There's nothing worse than a sympathizer.

[poido123]

Prohibiting specific elements =/= making everything the exact same.

America has operated as a Judeo-Christian society since its inception. In fact friction between jews and christians has been drastically less significant in America than anywhere else. Indian immigrants come here, some of them practice Hinduism, doesn't seem to be a problem. Same with Buddhists.

Only Islam seems to present a problem. That doesn't mean all Muslims here make trouble. But in general, Islam seems to be the one problem religion for western countries. I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging this, and saying that for OUR SAKE, for the sake of OUR SOCIETY, which is the one we have ever right to be concerned with first and foremost, muslims either need to make a choice between practicing Islam or living in America.

Obviously you can't regulate what people think, and they could still believe in it privately. But public practicing it? Acknowledgement of it by the government? Banished. Goodbye.



That is the defiance. Same with the burkkas/niqabs and other traditional wear.


This is an open protest against the country's values and culture. I'm sure christians understand that preaching the bible in the streets of a muslim country wouldn't go down that well.


same goes with demanding mosques and other religious things. they EXPECT to have it.

[The.Juice]

Breitbart is not very reliable source I trust them as much as I trust Huffington post. Indonesia :lol
Damn so scary.

[LikeABosh]

These numbers are all over the place. Most particularly confusing is the polling results from the last link you provided, which showed ISIS support in Iraq and Syria... you know, where ISIS is currently in power:

Iraq

The November 2014 poll by the Doha-based Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies found that 2% of Iraqis view the Islamic State positively and another 4% view it positively to some extent.


Syria

Seventeen percent of Syrians said that they completely support the Islamic State's goals and activities in the March 2015 poll.

So.... 96-98% of Iraqis disapprove of ISIS in Iraq. 83% of Syrians disapprove of ISIS in Syria... What am I missing here? :confusedshrug:

Also, Breibart :roll:
Congrats, you managed to refute absolutely nothing. Also, you say 17% of Syrians fully supporting ISIS is a good thing for you?:biggums: That's a **** load of people. How many are flooding into the EU and soon the US?

[DonDadda59]

Don't worry. DonDadda will come in here with the "logical" (aka emotion based) argument to refute the statistics, facts and research.

Or just show from the numbers you posted that the vast majority of the people in the Islamic State controlled land masses/countries don't support the Islamic State. 98% in Iraq alone don't support ISIS.

You really should read links before you post them.


Prohibiting specific elements =/= making everything the exact same.

America has operated as a Judeo-Christian society since its inception. In fact friction between jews and christians has been drastically less significant in America than anywhere else. Indian immigrants come here, some of them practice Hinduism, doesn't seem to be a problem. Same with Buddhists.

Only Islam seems to present a problem. That doesn't mean all Muslims here make trouble. But in general, Islam seems to be the one problem religion for western countries. I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging this, and saying that for OUR SAKE, for the sake of OUR SOCIETY, which is the one we have ever right to be concerned with first and foremost, muslims either need to make a choice between practicing Islam or living in America.

Obviously you can't regulate what people think, and they could still believe in it privately. But public practicing it? Acknowledgement of it by the government? Banished. Goodbye.

So if you spot someone reading a Q'uran in public or buying food from a Halal stand, they get deported to the Middle East?


What is Don? I know he's a black guy. But is he a Muslim too?

Don is an enigma, he is all things but is also nothing. He is everywhere, but nowhere all at once.

Think on that.

[Nick Young]

Also, Breibart :roll:
If you don't like Breitbart, here is the poll on Al Jazeera's website that the Breitbart link I posted links to that proves 81% supported ISIS.

Do you read Arabic?
http://www.aljazeera.net/votes/pages?voteid=5270

Doubt it. Here is an English translation of what the poll says, in a language you can understand:cheers:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/
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[BasedTom]

http://i.imgur.com/aUQ1fca.jpg

"b-b-but m-m-muh crusades!!!"
You mean the efforts of self defense after centuries of Muslims attacking and invading?

self defense =/= going into OTHER people's lands and demanding YOUR shitty culture take over

[Nick Young]

Breitbart is not very reliable source I trust them as much as I trust Huffington post. Indonesia :lol
Damn so scary.
Here is the Al Jazeera poll. I hope you can read Arabic :)
http://www.aljazeera.net/votes/pages?voteid=5270

[ALBballer]

But don't you think for our own sake and the sake of the planet, we should either offer to aid them economically if they get their birth rates down or withdrawal all aid of every kind if they don't, or else just forcibly show up and sterilize them via the military if we have to? In the long run it will do US the most good.

If you don't believe in any sort of divine universal morals, I don't see what the objection to this could be?

You are turning this debate into a philosophical one about morals. Personally I don't know if there is a "God" or any divine being and I tend to believe there is no afterlife and our current life is the only one we have, therefore, I think this current life is precious. My belief around this and have been shaped by other judeo christian beliefs.

Why don't we withdrawal aid or sterilize? I understand the troll argument you are making but to play along for a bit it would be impractical and a bit hypocritical even if we go under the assumption that overpopulation is an issue when the United States probably causes more pollution and waste than most of these 3rd world country. If we try to sterilize for example rebellions would occur, war would ensue, etc.

Now in a practical world would it be best if their population was reduced? Probably. How would it be done? idk. probably raise the standard of living in these areas and the birthrates will most likely decrease.

[The.Juice]

http://i.imgur.com/aUQ1fca.jpg

"b-b-but m-m-muh crusades!!!"
You mean the efforts of self defense after centuries of Muslims attacking and invading?

self defense =/= going into OTHER people's lands and demanding YOUR shitty culture take over

You do know Muslims are straight up abused and killed in Burma.

[DonDadda59]

http://i.imgur.com/aUQ1fca.jpg

"b-b-but m-m-muh crusades!!!"
You mean the efforts of self defense after centuries of Muslims attacking and invading?

If you understood how hilariously ironic this statement was. :lol

You do know that ISIS was basically nonexistent before the invasion of Iraq in 2003? I guess the self defense from invasion paradigm only works one way?


self defense =/= going into OTHER people's lands and demanding YOUR shitty culture take over

You did it again! :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcQJpX9fLck

[ThePhantomCreep]

When will this meme die? Where is the Christian equivalent of ISIS, where are the millions of jihadist Christians? So some stupid bitch county clerk refused to recognize the marriage of gay people, and was thus thrown in jail for contempt of court. Many studies and polls show HUGE numbers of muslims support jihad, while much more support Sharia Law
There's tons of Christian terrorism in Africa, dude. Even some in the states, to a lesser extent.

Then you have religious nuts like that scumbag Ted Cruz calling for more airstrikes with "more tolerance towards civilian casualties". Close your eyes, and it's ISIS talking.

[The.Juice]

Here is the Al Jazeera poll. I hope you can read Arabic :)
http://www.aljazeera.net/votes/pages?voteid=5270

It's a poll anyone can vote in no?

[DonDadda59]

A walking contradiction

Bro bro... this is from a link YOU posted.


In Sum

If we use the most optimistic of the polls for each of the 11 Arab states, we come to an estimate of 8,523,803 supporters of the Islamic State and an average of 5.8% support in the Arab world. If we extend that average to the other 11 Arab countries with a total population of 370 million, you get a result of 21,460,000 strong supporters of the Islamic State in the Arab world overall.

This is in line with the November 2014 poll by the Doha-based Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies. It concluded that 85% of Arabs view the Islamic State negatively and 4% view it positively. The difference of 1.8% can be attributable to the margin of error in the polls and/or slight changes in opinion.

So again... Yeah. I don't know what to believe. :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Even some in the states, to a lesser extent.




Refresh my memory.

[BasedTom]

If you understood how hilariously ironic this statement was. :lol

You do know that ISIS was basically nonexistent before the invasion of Iraq in 2003? I guess the self defense from invasion paradigm only works one way?



You did it again! :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcQJpX9fLck
And? A political intervention (against a government leader believed to have killed his own citizens, does that ring a bell) is somehow equated to occupying lands, putting people to death for the religion, blowing up ancient monuments, instituting slavery and mass rapes?

IS internet defense force needs to kill themselves, ideally not in our civilised societies which they benefit from but silently resent. The fact that they cowardly commit suicide attacks and seek to infiltrate other societies is proof that deep down they know that 1 european or christian life >>>>>> ten thousand goat****ers

[knickballer]

I swear it's always the same mother****ers battling it out in the Islam vs the West threads. :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

If you understood how hilariously ironic this statement was. :lol

You do know that ISIS was basically nonexistent before the invasion of Iraq in 2003? I guess the self defense from invasion paradigm only works one way?



You did it again! :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcQJpX9fLck


So you disagree with the government charging us into the middle east. Fine. But has this got to do with the rights of every day American citizens to not want Islam here on our soil?

I dont see the connection.

[poido123]

I swear it's always the same mother****ers battling it out in the Islam vs the West threads. :oldlol:



Probably true :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

And? A political intervention (against a government leader believed to have killed his own citizens, does that ring a bell) is somehow equated to occupying lands, putting people to death for the religion, blowing up ancient monuments, instituting slavery and mass rapes?

IS internet defense force needs to kill themselves, ideally not in our civilised societies which they benefit from but silently resent. The fact that they cowardly commit suicide attacks and seek to infiltrate other societies is proof that deep down they know that 1 european or christian life >>>>>> ten thousand goat****ers

Natural born politician over here. :oldlol:

We invaded a country and forcefully deposed the legitimate ruler there... under falsified pretenses, mind you. As a result, we destabilized the entire region and have been dealing with the consequences ever since. ISIS has been kicking our ass for over a decade now, even before we knew what to call them. They were just 'insurgents' until about 2011 or 2012 in our lingo.

But the reason they are so bold is because they know we can't defeat them, whereas going back to the late 70s-the present they've beaten the Soviet Union (leading to their destruction), the United States, and Russia is now back for seconds. The Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc are all just offshoots of the Mujahideen who have been making fools of the World's super powers for decades. And the funny thing is we have and will continue to train and equip them. These dudes have been hoodwinking us and then turning around and kicking our asses since the Carter administration.

But more boots on the ground will solve the problem this time. 8th time's the charm. :oldlol:

[BasedTom]

Natural born politician over here. :oldlol:

We invaded a country and forcefully deposed the legitimate ruler there... under falsified pretenses, mind you. As a result, we destabilized the entire region and have been dealing with the consequences ever since. ISIS has been kicking our ass for over a decade now, even before we knew what to call them. They were just 'insurgents' until about 2011 or 2012 in our lingo.

But the reason they are so bold is because they know we can't defeat them, whereas going back to the late 70s-the present they've beaten the Soviet Union (leading to their destruction), the United States, and Russia is now back for seconds. The Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc are all just offshoots of the Mujahideen who have been making fools of the World's super powers for decades. And the funny thing is we have and will continue to train and equip them. These dudes have been hoodwinking us and then turning around and kicking our asses since the Carter administration.

But more boots on the ground will solve the problem this time. 8th time's the charm. :oldlol:
lol, an incredible amount of lack of knowledge of the region. The Middle East was paradise on earth before the big bad USA got involved :rolleyes:

[poido123]

Natural born politician over here. :oldlol:

We invaded a country and forcefully deposed the legitimate ruler there... under falsified pretenses, mind you. As a result, we destabilized the entire region and have been dealing with the consequences ever since. ISIS has been kicking our ass for over a decade now, even before we knew what to call them. They were just 'insurgents' until about 2011 or 2012 in our lingo.

But the reason they are so bold is because they know we can't defeat them, whereas going back to the late 70s-the present they've beaten the Soviet Union (leading to their destruction), the United States, and Russia is now back for seconds. The Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc are all just offshoots of the Mujahideen who have been making fools of the World's super powers for decades. And the funny thing is we have and will continue to train and equip them. These dudes have been hoodwinking us and then turning around and kicking our asses since the Carter administration.

But more boots on the ground will solve the problem this time. 8th time's the charm. :oldlol:



What do you suggest that we do to fix the problem? We have world leaders who have no idea.


Boots on the ground combined with bombing attacks will be much more effective. The guys on the ground will be able to radio in coordinates of bombings to the spots in which the cowardly ISIS hide among the innocent.


It will help eliminate hospitals being accidentally bombed.


I agree with your first point though. We should never of meddled in the middle east and destabilised the region.


But what we do now matters. You seem like you are stuck on the mistake and not looking for the solution.

Do you even have one?

[DonDadda59]

:biggums:
This guy just called Hussein legitimate.
At what point does a leader not become legitimate since it's not dropping chemical weapons on the residents of his own nation?

So Bill Clinton's Presidency wasn't legit after the Waco Siege*? It would've been cool for the Yemeni army to shock and awe us into a new way of life... and the American citizenry would just go along with this? :lol

Also, Ronald Reagan sent Donald Rumsefeld AKA Rummy to pledge our allegiance to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP7ZrmkcuU) a few weeks after those gassings. So I guess he was still legitimate then. Probably why Rummy and co. thought they would find WMDs in Iraq... those nigguhs gave them to Saddam and figured he still had them in storage somewhere. That backfired badly. :oldlol:

*That same siege produced The Oklahoma City bombing BTW. Funny how that works.

[poido123]

lol, an incredible amount of lack of knowledge of the region. The Middle East was paradise on earth before the big bad USA got involved :rolleyes:


In defense of Dadda, that region didn't have ISIS or a jihad on the western nations prior to the "invasion".

[ThePhantomCreep]

This guy is now comparing a gunfight with a cult to a guy who killed maybe half a million people.
Idk if you're a troll or just really dumb.

I thought we invaded Iraq to prevent mushroom clouds over our cities? What are you carrying on about?

GWB wrecked the region. That is undeniable. He's practically the father of ISIS.

[DonDadda59]

lol, an incredible amount of lack of knowledge of the region. The Middle East was paradise on earth before the big bad USA got involved

Who said anything about the place being a 'paradise'? But there is no question our pointless and costly excursions into the region starting with the Iraq fiasco destabilized the region and created ISIS. Here is another great Vice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU2avVIHde8) video on the genesis of ISIL following the Iraq War fiasco.

Afghanistan was at least somewhat understandable even though it was just us fighting (and eventually losing to) the same people we gave billions of dollars and training to under Operation Cyclone during the 80s. The whole the enemy of my enemy is my friend line of thinking with our Middle East dealings has burned us more times than we can count. But here we are sending more money and offering more training to some muhphuckas who are going to blow up trains in Manhattan in 5 years. :applause:


What do you suggest that we do to fix the problem? We have world leaders who have no idea.


Boots on the ground combined with bombing attacks will be much more effective. The guys on the ground will be able to radio in coordinates of bombings to the spots in which the cowardly ISIS hide among the innocent.


It will help eliminate hospitals being accidentally bombed.


I agree with your first point though. We should never of meddled in the middle east and destabilised the region.


But what we do now matters. You seem like you are stuck on the mistake and not looking for the solution.

Do you even have one?

12+ years of hundreds of thousands of troops and even more bombs being dropped on Afghanistan and Iraq and people STILL believe this bullshit? :facepalm

The Mujahideen and their offshoots destroyed the Soviet Union and are presently kicking the U.S.' ass. They've been playing us for decades, just re-branding every few years so we think we're giving weapons and training to someone new. ISIS is made up of the sons of Al Qaeda whose fathers were Mujahideen. All they know is war.

Our best bet is to take the money we would flush down the toilet on bombing caves or training and equipping future terrorists and focus that on creating new energy sources so we can end our dependence on foreign oil. Bombing deserts and using crude oil is so... 20th century. It's time for a serious paradigm shift.

[ALBballer]

Our best bet is to take the money we would flush down the toilet on bombing caves or training and equipping future terrorists and focus that on creating new energy sources so we can end our dependence on foreign oil. Bombing deserts and using crude oil is so... 20th century. It's time for a serious paradigm shift.

Bingo.

You would think after multiple wars and trillions in debt we would learn our lesson but no people still think we need another war against another group.

[DonDadda59]

What am I carrying on about? He called a guy who killed half a million people a legitimate leader. I have a hard time believing either of you are this stupid.

Who decides who is a legitimate leader or not? George W. Bush? :confusedshrug:

[BasedTom]

Who said anything about the place being a 'paradise'? But there is no question our pointless and costly excursions into the region starting with the Iraq fiasco destabilized the region and created ISIS. Here is another great Vice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU2avVIHde8) video on the genesis of ISIL following the Iraq War fiasco.

Afghanistan was at least somewhat understandable even though it was just us fighting (and eventually losing to) the same people we gave billions of dollars and training to under Operation Cyclone during the 80s. The whole the enemy of my enemy is my friend line of thinking with our Middle East dealings has burned us more times than we can count. But here we are sending more money and offering more training to some muhphuckas who are going to blow up trains in Manhattan in 5 years. :applause:



12+ years of hundreds of thousands of troops and even more bombs being dropped on Afghanistan and Iraq and people STILL believe this bullshit? :facepalm

The Mujahideen and their offshoots destroyed the Soviet Union and are presently kicking the U.S.' ass. They've been playing us for decades, just re-branding every few years so we think we're giving weapons and training to someone new. ISIS is made up of the sons of Al Qaeda whose fathers were Mujahideen. All they know is war.

Our best bet is to take the money we would flush down the toilet on bombing caves or training and equipping future terrorists and focus that on creating new energy sources so we can end our dependence on foreign oil. Bombing deserts and using crude oil is so... 20th century. It's time for a serious paradigm shift.
not sure if you're underage or just have selective memory

if every foreign intervention and occupation was the categorical genesis of an ISIS like group, then British India, the Scramble for Africa, Japan's empire in the pacific must have been the dawn of infinite barbarians beheading people and converting pathetic scrawny fakkits around the world to their cause.

If you ask me, the world was a better place before negro studies professors and marxists cried about "muh imperialism. muh whitey." and leaving Africa and the Mideast to tear themselves apart. Do you agree with this sentiment?

[Jameerthefear]

why is dadda acting like a meme?

[ThePhantomCreep]

What am I carrying on about? He called a guy who killed half a million people a legitimate leader. I have a hard time believing either of you are this stupid.

Saddam was universally recognized as the leader of the sovereign nation of Iraq, was he not? And we disposed of him without UN consent, did we not?


No one's comparing Saddam to Mandela, dude. Get a grip.

[DonDadda59]

not sure if you're underage or just have selective memory

if every foreign intervention and occupation was the categorical genesis of an ISIS like group, then British India, the Scramble for Africa, Japan's empire in the pacific must have been the dawn of infinite barbarians beheading people and converting pathetic scrawny fakkits around the world to their cause.

If you ask me, the world was a better place before negro studies professors and marxists cried about "muh imperialism. muh whitey." and leaving Africa and the Mideast to tear themselves apart. Do you agree with this sentiment?

What the f*ck are you babbling on about? :biggums:

Do you know anything about the History of the Mujahideen? Do you know what Operation Cyclone was?

Where do you think the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISIS come from? Why are they so well-trained, well-equipped, and familiar with American military tactics? Where do you think they learned Guerilla warfare?

You dudes really need to study up.

We've been fighting the same monster of our own creation in the Middle East for decades now, our own Jihadi Frankenstein. They've outsmarted and outmanuevered us at every turn. Trillions of dollars, countless dropped bombs, hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground... and what did we accomplish exactly in Iraq or Afghanistan the past 12+ years? Did we even find those weapons of mass destruction that started this whole fiasco?

[BasedTom]

What the f*ck are you babbling on about? :biggums:

Do you know anything about the History of the Mujahideen? Do you know what Operation Cyclone was?

Where do you think the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISIS come from? Why are they so well-trained, well-equipped, and familiar with American military tactics? Where do you think they learned Guerilla warfare?

You dudes really need to study up.

We've been fighting the same monster of our own creation in the Middle East for decades now, our own Jihadi Frankenstein. They've outsmarted and outmanuevered us at every turn. Trillions of dollars, countless dropped bombs, hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground... and what did we accomplish exactly in Iraq or Afghanistan the past 12+ years? Did we even find those weapons of mass destruction that started this whole fiasco?
Yup, all of these things started with George Dubya Bush.

Did Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan even exist prior to 2000? Someone hand me a globe from those times. Good thing that the presence of Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Israel haven't had a single part to play in the story either or else we'd be in real trouble then.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DonDadda59]

Yup, all of these things started with George Dubya Bush.

Actually they started with Jimmy Carter and were accelerated during the Reagan years. :confusedshrug:

Again, study up.

The Soviets crumbled, now the U.S. is tucking tail and running from these dudes. They know we can't beat them because they know us and are tactically superior.


Did Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan even exist prior to 2000? Someone hand me a globe from those times. Good thing that the presence of Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Israel haven't had a single part to play in the story either or else we'd be in real trouble then.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Again, what in the holy hell are you talking about?

[poido123]

Who said anything about the place being a 'paradise'? But there is no question our pointless and costly excursions into the region starting with the Iraq fiasco destabilized the region and created ISIS. Here is another great Vice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU2avVIHde8) video on the genesis of ISIL following the Iraq War fiasco.

Afghanistan was at least somewhat understandable even though it was just us fighting (and eventually losing to) the same people we gave billions of dollars and training to under Operation Cyclone during the 80s. The whole the enemy of my enemy is my friend line of thinking with our Middle East dealings has burned us more times than we can count. But here we are sending more money and offering more training to some muhphuckas who are going to blow up trains in Manhattan in 5 years. :applause:



12+ years of hundreds of thousands of troops and even more bombs being dropped on Afghanistan and Iraq and people STILL believe this bullshit? :facepalm

The Mujahideen and their offshoots destroyed the Soviet Union and are presently kicking the U.S.' ass. They've been playing us for decades, just re-branding every few years so we think we're giving weapons and training to someone new. ISIS is made up of the sons of Al Qaeda whose fathers were Mujahideen. All they know is war.

Our best bet is to take the money we would flush down the toilet on bombing caves or training and equipping future terrorists and focus that on creating new energy sources so we can end our dependence on foreign oil. Bombing deserts and using crude oil is so... 20th century. It's time for a serious paradigm shift.



I think that's exactly what we should do.


How do we get the government to stop being corrupt and being manipulated by powerful oil companies buying innovative companies off? The technology to replace oil is already there, only that the oil companies pay off these companies to stay out of the way.


Your idea is the solution, but finding a realistic way to bring about that change is almost impossible. Save for a people's revolution against the government(won't happen, average people are by nature content to live by the breadline and are easily influenced by media and government handouts) it is pretty unrealistic.

:confusedshrug:

[BasedTom]

Actually they started with Jimmy Carter and were accelerated during the Reagan years. :confusedshrug:

Again, study up.

The Soviets crumbled, now the U.S. is tucking tail and running from these dudes. They know we can't beat them because they know us and are tactically superior.



Again, what in the holy hell are you talking about?
http://i.imgur.com/Socxpcl.gif

You do realise how difficult it is to take you seriously when you post this crap. Is Al-Baghdadi sending you a cheque in the mail? A nation that won its independence largely with guerilla tactics is now suddenly inable to grasp how that type of combatant operates?

They're successful because leftist propaganda campaigns have been trying to emasculate and neuter our culture, while going out of their way to accommodate bloodthirsty apes and savages. If we went against them with the sole purpose of glassing them instead of the pvssy ass pretense of "nation building" and "installing freedumb and democracy", they wouldn't stand a chance.

Even now leftists would prefer us to act as if ISIS doesn't exist as they capture more cities and kill more innocents...now not just in their miserable corner of the world but valuable french and russian lives.

[Nick Young]

DonDadda watches a Vice documentary about ISIS and suddenly he's a fan boy justifying terrorism and claiming they are tactically superior to us:roll: . This guy's mind is like putty, so easy to mold.

Libs gonna lib

AKA Libs gonna support ISIS


How "progressive" :facepalm

[LikeABosh]

Hey Don, time to watch some John Oliver you cuck
http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/169large/public/uploads/2015/11/screen_shot_2015-11-16_at_12.55.43_pm.jpg

[Nick Young]

Hey Don, time to watch some John Oliver you cuck
http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/169large/public/uploads/2015/11/screen_shot_2015-11-16_at_12.55.43_pm.jpg
did that really happen on the John Oliver show?:facepalm

[DonDadda59]

http://i.imgur.com/Socxpcl.gif

You do realise how difficult it is to take you seriously when you post this crap. Is Al-Baghdadi sending you a cheque in the mail? A nation that won its independence largely with guerilla tactics is now suddenly inable to grasp how that type of combatant operates?

They're successful because leftist propaganda campaigns have been trying to emasculate and neuter our culture, while going out of their way to accommodate bloodthirsty apes and savages. If we went against them with the sole purpose of glassing them instead of the pvssy ass pretense of "nation building" and "installing freedumb and democracy", they wouldn't stand a chance.

Even now leftists would prefer us to act as if ISIS doesn't exist as they capture more cities and kill more innocents...now not just in their miserable corner of the world but valuable french and russian lives.

Lemme guess, that's what happened when they kicked the Soviets' ass right? The nonexistent leftist Soviet media. :lol

You're in way over your head my boy. You don't even know the root basics of what you're trying to argue.

But as always, blame the media when you don't have any actual arguments for failure. Typical. :rolleyes:


I think that's exactly what we should do.


How do we get the government to stop being corrupt and being manipulated by powerful oil companies buying innovative companies off? The technology to replace oil is already there, only that the oil companies pay off these companies to stay out of the way.


Your idea is the solution, but finding a realistic way to bring about that change is almost impossible. Save for a people's revolution against the government(won't happen, average people are by nature content to live by the breadline and are easily influenced by media and government handouts) it is pretty unrealistic.

I don't think it's impossible. Plenty of people have been calling for just that recently, including the President. He's wisely not going with the boots on the ground rhetoric that everyone with amnesia somehow forgot didn't work for 12+ years. ISIS really isn't any more of a threat than the random school and theater shooters we see several times a year here. The worst they can do to us outside of the Middle East is maybe shoot up a neighborhood... but we see that routinely here and usually just brush it off. But I'm sure if/when it happens, people will freak out only because it's Muslims doing it. :lol

But you're right in that it won't be easy. There are too many interests in the oil and military complex who obviously would be against the idea. It's past time for us to change our M.O.

[DonDadda59]

Hey Don, time to watch some John Oliver you cuck

Don't got HBO. :confusedshrug:

Also, do you mind resizing the pic? Thanks.


DonDadda watches a Vice documentary about ISIS and suddenly he's a fan boy justifying terrorism and claiming they are tactically superior to us . This guy's mind is like putty, so easy to mold.

Libs gonna lib

AKA Libs gonna support ISIS


How "progressive"

Like Bruce Lee said... Be like water my friend.

How's Putin's offensive going? He put those old Soviet boots on the ground yet?

[BasedTom]

Lemme guess, that's what happened when they kicked the Soviets' ass right? The nonexistent leftist Soviet media. :lol

You're in way over your head my boy. You don't even know the root basics of what you're trying to argue.

But as always, blame the media when you don't have any actual arguments for failure. Typical. :rolleyes:



I don't think it's impossible. Plenty of people have been calling for just that recently, including the President. He's wisely not going with the boots on the ground rhetoric that everyone with amnesia somehow forgot didn't work for 12+ years. ISIS really isn't any more of a threat than the random school and theater shooters we see several times a year here. The worst they can do to us outside of the Middle East is maybe shoot up a neighborhood... but we see that routinely here and usually just brush it off. But I'm sure if/when it happens, people will freak out only because it's Muslims doing it. :lol

But you're right in that it won't be easy. There are too many interests in the oil and military complex who obviously would be against the idea. It's past time for us to change our M.O.
Soviets had their own set of problems. To believe that afgani ragheads singlehandedly took out Russia is akin to thinking that they marched onto Moscow. You come across as dumb american 10 year old conditioned to simplify things to the extreme and glorify and exaggerate everything in history.

"tactically superior"....as if ISIS vs the West is Mighty Ducks 2 or some shit :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ThePhantomCreep]

http://i.imgur.com/Socxpcl.gif

You do realise how difficult it is to take you seriously when you post this crap. Is Al-Baghdadi sending you a cheque in the mail? A nation that won its independence largely with guerilla tactics is now suddenly inable to grasp how that type of combatant operates?

They're successful because leftist propaganda campaigns have been trying to emasculate and neuter our culture, while going out of their way to accommodate bloodthirsty apes and savages. If we went against them with the sole purpose of glassing them instead of the pvssy ass pretense of "nation building" and "installing freedumb and democracy", they wouldn't stand a chance.

Even now leftists would prefer us to act as if ISIS doesn't exist as they capture more cities and kill more innocents...now not just in their miserable corner of the world but valuable french and russian lives.

I just had a Vietnam War flashback. Time to spin some Beatles records.

The warhawks of that era made your exact same argument 45+ years ago. Turns out we sucked at guerilla warfare, that's all. Still do.

[DonDadda59]

Soviets had their own set of problems.

Such as...


To believe that afgani ragheads singlehandedly took out Russia is akin to thinking that they marched onto Moscow.

Those ragheads, who we trained and equipped, are the same ragheads who have been kicking our asses for 12+ years now. Full circle type shit. Circle of Life.


You come across as dumb american 10 year old conditioned to simplify things to the extreme and glorify and exaggerate everything in history.

Because Media.


"tactically superior"....as if ISIS vs the West is Mighty Ducks 2 or some shit :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Take Afghanistan for example- the 'insurgents' there would pull back from the cities, allowing Americans to take them with little resistance, lulling them to sleep. They would then launch guerillas strikes and then slip into the mountains and cross into Pakistan where they knew the Amercians couldn't reach them. Hit and run tactics that kept the giant, lumbering American force constantly on the defensive and without the ability to launch effective counter strikes, just empty bombings of mountains.

A decade of this, and the Americans quit.

Seems like the Mujahideen tactics worked like a charm... What did the Americans accomplish exactly? Last I checked, the Taliban has regained much of the territory they lost in the initial assault.

[DonDadda59]

I just had a Vietnam War flashback. Time to spin some Beatles records.

The warhawks of that era made your exact same argument 45+ years ago. Turns out we sucked at guerilla warfare, that's all. Still do.

No, No, No... It was the media, bruh.

Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather should be tried for War crimes.

[BasedTom]

I just had a Vietnam War flashback. Time to spin some Beatles records.

The warhawks of that era made your exact same argument 45+ years ago. Turns out we sucked at guerilla warfare, that's all. Still do.
"We" suck at creating puppet states.

Like I said, saying bullshit like "we're here to bring freedom" doesn't fool anyone and is a waste. This fake moral highground popped up in the early part of the 20th century, quite notably the example of WW1.

Successful empires didn't bullshit with their objectives.

[Nick Young]

No, No, No... It was the media, bruh.

Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather should be tried for War crimes.
This kid watches a Vice documentary and suddenly he's Mr. History of the Middle East:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DonDadda59]

This kid watches a Vice documentary and suddenly he's Mr. History of the Middle East:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:no:

2 Vice documentaries.

Media. :applause:

[gigantes]

Of the sort of Theocracy many Christians want to live under?

I watched a nice in depth documentary by Vice News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94) that showed the everyday lives of citizens living in the Islamic State. Their lives, down to every minute detail, are governed by Sharia and their Holy Book. From how they conduct business, to the legal system, even their personal lives (drinking alcohol gets you a long prison sentence and whip lashes).

There are plenty of people who think our lives and our laws should be controlled by what is in the bible. You even have some public officials like Kim Davis who shun our legal code in favor of their personal religious beliefs. Ben Carson has presented a tax plan based on Biblical tithing.
except from what i've read, daesh is basically a widescale extortionist racket, just orthodox muslim in flavor.

maybe that's a little bit like the roman catholic church at the height of their influence.

[NumberSix]

In defense of Dadda, that region didn't have ISIS or a jihad on the western nations prior to the "invasion".
Yes they did. Do you people not have any knowledge of history?

Muslims wants to establish a caliphate..... It's not long ago that they had one. Less than 100 years. The Ottoman caliphate. These people waged jihad against Europe throughout their entire existence. How do you think the Turks took over Constantinople (Istanbul) and Anatolia (Turkey)?

[pauk]

Its religious / equivalent of something, they sure have a religion... but it sure aint muslim, no matter how hard they want it to be, killing innocents (which most of victims are muslims actually) thing ruined that.

[NumberSix]

Its religious / equivalent of something, they sure have a religion... but it sure aint muslim, no matter how hard they want it to be, killing innocents (which most of victims are muslims actually) thing ruined that.
Stop being so dishonest. In an Islamic state, apostasy is punishable by death. So it really depends on how you define who is or isn't an apostate.

I'm sorry to tell you, but you can not say that ISIS does not follow Islamic law. They do. You see how Yazidis are treated differently than Christians? ISIS didn't just make that up out of thin air. Christians (as people of the book) have at least some protection. Yazidis have none. It's literally convert or die.

Some Muslims have even less protection than that. The Muslims that ISIS declares "not real Muslims" are considered apostates. For apostates, there is no convert option. Just death. Any Muslim who won't pledge allegiance to the caliph, is considered an apostate. ISIS didn't just make that up.

[Nick Young]

The Islamic State are following Islam to the book. Every thing they are doing was written in the Koran. How can you say they're not real Muslims, pauk? If anything, they are realer Muslims than everyone else, and are following Mohammad's writing more closely than any other Muslims on the planet right now.



I think many of you have never read the Koran. Take the time and read it, then post in this thread. Everything ISIS is doing was encouraged directly in the Koran by Mohammad himself.


Mohammad himself actually existed in history. His religion is not a "religion of peace". Calling Islam a religion of peace is newspeak. It is a religion founded on bloodshed and violence, whose own prophet lead military campaigns during his own lifetime, forcing people to convert by the sword or face execution. Mohammad himself ordered the execution of poets for writing songs that belittled him. ISIS are just carrying on "The Glorious Prophet's" bloodthirsty tradition.

[Dresta]

Not really. If it were up to them, they'd ship out every Muslim along with the 15 million Mexicans they're already planning on deporting. Even Donald Trump was talking about closing down Mosques in America a few days ago.

Just because they're presently forced to live in a non-homogeneous culture... doesn't mean they like that fact.

EDIT- Trump actually went on the record earlier today that he would 'strongly consider' shutting down Mosques in America. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/donald-trump-paris-attacks-close-mosques/)
Yeah, they regularly shut down mosques in countries like Tunisia because they are known to be hot-beds of terrorist activity - are they planning on deporting their entire muslim population also?

Another stupid thread from ISH's resident dumbass. Secularism is the offspring of Christianity - when was there ever a theocratic Christian nation exactly? (and no: the Vatican city doesn't count - the Pope has not held power except through that which had been granted to his office by the fealty of European kings - his temporal power has always been heavily limited). The very nature of Protestantism forbids such a thing. The fact you even have to ask such a question shows the extent of your ignorance.

Not to mention that Islam carries with it an overt political creed, whereas Christianity does not.

[DonDadda59]

Yeah, they regularly shut down mosques in countries like Tunisia because they are known to be hot-beds of terrorist activity - are they planning on deporting their entire muslim population also?

Another stupid thread from ISH's resident dumbass. Secularism is the offspring of Christianity - when was there ever a theocratic Christian nation exactly? (and no: the Vatican city doesn't count - the Pope has not held power except through that which had been granted to his office by the fealty of European kings - his temporal power has always been heavily limited). The very nature of Protestantism forbids such a thing. The fact you even have to ask such a question shows the extent of your ignorance.

Not to mention that Islam carries with it an overt political creed, whereas Christianity does not.

You dropped the Charles Dickens schtick. What happened, you lose your thesaurus? :(

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As usual, don hitting nothing but air

How does he keep going?

[NumberSix]

As usual, don hitting nothing but air

How does he keep going?
Dude, he's not even being serious. He's clearly just fcuking around.

[Dresta]

I just had a Vietnam War flashback. Time to spin some Beatles records.

The warhawks of that era made your exact same argument 45+ years ago. Turns out we sucked at guerilla warfare, that's all. Still do.
Vietnam war? Try the Korean war, when the Chinese Communists were astounded at how pliable the American pows were, and how easy it was to indoctrinate them and turn them against their native culture.

In July 1951 the Chief of Intelligence of the Chinese in Korea despatched a memorandum to his superior in Peiping called "An Estimate of American Military Personnel" - from which i quote:


Based upon our observations of American soldiers...the following facts are evidenced. The American soldier has weak loyalties to his family, his community, his country, his religion, and his fellow soldiers. His concepts of right and wrong are hazy; opportunism is easy. By himself, he feels frightened and insecure. He underestimates his own worth, his own strength and his ability to survive. He is ignorant of social values, social tensions and conflicts. There is little knowledge or understanding, even among U.S. university graduates of American political history and philosophy; of the federal, state and community organizations, state and civil rights; pf safeguards to freedom, checks and balances and how these things allegedly operate within his own system.He is insular and provincial with little or no idea of the problems and the aims of what he contemptuously describes as foreigners and their countries.

Sounds a lot like you to be honest.

They were right then, and they're right now: you can't properly defend a culture or civilisation when its inhabitants don't even know what its values are, or what it stands for, what is worth defending, or even dying for. Cultural decay is a looong process, and you think you can ignore something because the past 40-50 years have vindicated it to you? The fact the America still stands upright does not prove those men wrong (the ever-increasing burden of debt, rather, the extolling of indebtedness as a virtue, and the sheer rootlessness of American foreign policy, rather goes to imply something valid in their arguments). Rome was as powerful under Caligula (or Nero or Commodus) as under Caesar, but that doesn't mean it wasn't more decadent, and further down the path to ruin.

And lettuce be honest here for a second: courage hasn't been a part of the American spirit since duelling went out of fashion. America has always been too materialistic to produce men of great courage, and now it is too stupid and materialistic to know what it stands for aside from the blind acquisition of wealth, or the blind redistribution of wealth.