If lebron wasnt the primary ballhandler throughout his career his career statline...

[NZStreetBaller]

22/3/5??

[Nash]

what a thing to say

if kobe wasn't a chucker his statline would be 13ppg.

[MMKM]

Why would he only average 3 rebounds?

[Smoke117]

What are you even trying to say? This is one of the more moronic threads here and that's saying something.

[dubnation]

0/10

[FKAri]

0/10

So..better than 0/11 ? Got it.

[IncarceratedBob]

the ironic thing is think about how many years in his career he was the best ball handler on his team? maybe once or twice and yet he forced himself into that role....

[Bankaii]

the ironic thing is think about how many years in his career he was the best ball handler on his team? maybe once or twice and yet he forced himself into that role....
What's ironic is you have no idea what you're talking about.

Since when would ball handling determine the primary ball handler?
So AI would be the primary ball handler over Magic? No.

The best playmaker should always be the main ball handler. Lebron has been the best playmaker with the highest passing IQ on basically every year of every team he's played for. Obviously he should have the ball more.

And OP is an idiot. Playing off ball would increase his rebounds if anything. And the premise of this thread is just stupid. But you are a Kovetard, it's expected...:(

[kennethgriffin]

if lebron played within the flow of an offense, concentrated on defense first. rebounded to his potential as a guy in a power forwards body and learned how to post up with better footwork, shooting only inside

he'd probly have 7-8 championships by now


his average would be around 22/11/5 on 58%

[Gileraracer]

My GOAT KING James can do anything if he only decides to make it his goal. :eek: If he decides to shoot more than 60% from free throw line he'll do it :applause:

#KENG

[Gus Hemmingway]

the ironic thing is think about how many years in his career he was the best ball handler on his team? maybe once or twice and yet he forced himself into that role....

Irving is a better ball handler but he can't create for others like Lebron can.

[knicksman]

What's ironic is you have no idea what you're talking about.

Since when would ball handling determine the primary ball handler?
So AI would be the primary ball handler over Magic? No.

The best playmaker should always be the main ball handler. Lebron has been the best playmaker with the highest passing IQ on basically every year of every team he's played for. Obviously he should have the ball more.

And OP is an idiot. Playing off ball would increase his rebounds if anything. And the premise of this thread is just stupid. But you are a Kovetard, it's expected...:(

curry is the best ballhandler and passer same with jordan yet it was green/pippen being the high apg. Its more because jordan/curry are willing to sacrifice stats for rings. Theres a reason why players like bran(oscar, tiny, iverson) are losers.

[3ball]

curry is the best ballhandler and passer same with jordan yet it was green/pippen being the high apg. Its more because jordan/curry are willing to sacrifice stats for rings. Theres a reason why players like bran(oscar, tiny, iverson) are losers.
I agree with all this, except MJ and Pippen averaged the same APG..

Or if anything, MJ's were higher.. MJ certainly assisted on a higher percentage of teammate fg's during the first and second 3-peat - the stats tell us that.

But I understand your point - MJ sacrificed so Pippen could play to capacity.

[knicksman]

My GOAT KING James can do anything if he only decides to make it his goal. :eek: If he decides to shoot more than 60% from free throw line he'll do it :applause:

#KENG

:bowdown: 2 and 7 are his most favorite nos. so he made it a goal to be 2/7 when he retires. :bowdown:

[Kvnzhangyay]

He's not the primary ball handler this season and he's averaging 27/7/6 :confusedshrug:

And this is considering that he's out of his peak

[tmacattack33]

I have no clue what OP is even saying.

Lebron has usually not been the one to normally bring the ball past the half court line (which would usually be referred to as the "point guard"). He did this full-time for about 5 games when all of his PG's were injured in Cleveland around 2009 and he averaged about 20 points and 12 assists per game.

And if OP is trying to wonder what would happen if Lebron didn't get the ball so much, that's a pointless question. I wonder what would have happened if Shaq didn't get the ball so much...he'd probably average 0 points if nobody ever gave him the ball on the Lakers in his prime.

[3ball]

Here's what the stat-line would NOT look like - Lebron would never have a 4-year peak where he averaged these numbers:


33.1 ppg... 6.6 rpg... 6.4 apg... 2.9 spg... 1.0 bpg... 53.5 fg... 60.6 ts... 124 ORtg... 31.4 PER... 0.301 ws/48


That's better than Steph Curry's stats this year - those were MJ's averages during 4-years from 1988-1991..

That's 4 straight years of 31+ PER and 60+ ts.. I'm pretty sure no one has ever done that before... And obviously, Lebron could never do this in ANY capacity - primary ballhandler or not.

[sdot_thadon]

Here's what the stat-line would NOT look like - Lebron would never have a 4-year peak where he averaged these numbers:


33.1 ppg... 6.6 rpg... 6.4 apg... 2.9 spg... 1.0 bpg... 53.5 fg... 60.6 ts... 124 ORtg... 31.4 PER... 0.301 ws/48


These were MJ's averages during 4-years from 1988-1991 - that's 4 straight years of 31+ PER and 60+ ts.. I'm pretty sure no one has ever done that before
Oh you mean the years they couldn't get the ball out of his hands?

[FreezingTsmoove]

People forget Lebron came into the league as a PGSG. He just so happened to get huge throughout the years. I do agree he should have transitioned intona PF role

[sdot_thadon]

He could have been a 3 out of the gate. They had miles and davis already, the only reason he saw time at pg that season.

[3ball]

He could have been a 3 out of the gate. They had miles and davis already, the only reason he saw time at pg that season.
Here are the facts about Lebron at SF:

Starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted..

The team's lower assist capacity is shown in the stats - Lebron's teammates have far lower APG alongside Lebron - that's what happens when you can't throw your leading scorer a dime as often as other teams - it's statistical fact - Lebron's game does NOT foster good teamwork or chemistry.
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[Kvnzhangyay]

Here are the facts about Lebron at SF:

Starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted..

The team's lower assist capacity is shown in the stats - Lebron's teammates have far lower APG alongside Lebron - that's what happens when you can't throw your leading scorer a dime as often as other teams - it's statistical fact - Lebron's game does NOT foster good teamwork or chemistry.
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Lebron's time of possession this year is 4.4 minutes per game at 36 minutes a game, FAR LESS than even people that only play 25 minutes a game (ex: vasquez) http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Thus, he is not ball dominant, and YET his stats are still the same.

[Dresta]

Def not more than 8ppg.

[3ball]

Lebron's time of possession this year is 4.4 minutes per game at 36 minutes a game, FAR LESS than even people that only play 25 minutes a game (ex: vasquez) http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1

Thus, he is not ball dominant, and YET his stats are still the same.
It's only been 11 games and Lebron's 4.4 minutes is still more than any non-PG outside of James Harden... 4.4 minutes is REALLY HIGH for a forward.

Btw, Lebron's personal stats aren't the issue - the issue is that his ball-dominance reduces the stats of teammates - this is statistical fact - Lebron's teammates have significantly lower APG alongside him (lower PPG too).

In the last 2 seasons, Lebron's time of possession was over 6 minutes, which was the highest of any non-PG and higher than numerous starting PG's - Lebron and Harden are the only wings with a PG-level time of possession.

In 2015, John Wall led the league with 8.3 minutes in regular season, and 10.0 minutes in playoffs.. By comparison, Lebron was 2nd in the playoffs with 9.3 minutes.. In the Finals, Lebron's time of possession was an extraordinary 12.0 minutes - that's 20% higher than Wall's playoffs, and 50% higher than Wall's regular season.. With Lebron totally monopolizing the playmaking, his team was easily-solvable and teammates' stats were horrible.
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[Bankaii]

curry is the best ballhandler and passer same with jordan yet it was green/pippen being the high apg. Its more because jordan/curry are willing to sacrifice stats for rings. Theres a reason why players like bran(oscar, tiny, iverson) are losers.
Both Lebron and Oscar have more rings than Curry. Lebron has more accolades all around than Curry. If anything Curry is the loser, he can't even win FMVPZ And Curry has a high turnover rate while having low assists. His passing is overrated.

Nothing in your post addressed the point I made at the dumb OP. And yet again, you look like an idiot.

[pauk]

Logically that means less passing.... more shooting... less apg... more ppg...

[3ball]

Lebron playing mostly off-ball???... :wtf:

He'd never do it... I can't imagine Lebron moving off-ball and running off screens for catch-and-shoot like JJ Redick, Larry Bird or Michael Jordan...

You need a high motor and aggressiveness to play like that - guys like Reggie Miller and Michael Jordan had to be aggressive moving off screens to seek out the ball -

Running off screens with aggressivee, high intensity is a far cry from what Lebron wants to do - Lebron prefers to lollygag with the ball 30 feet from the rim in a ball-dominant fashion.
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[Hey Yo]

Lebron playing mostly off-ball???... :wtf:

He'd never do it... I can't imagine Lebron moving off-ball and running off screens for catch-and-shoot like JJ Redick, Larry Bird or Michael Jordan...

You need a high motor and aggressiveness to play like that - guys like Reggie Miller and Michael Jordan had to be aggressive moving off screens to seek out the ball -

Running off screens with aggressivee, high intensity is a far cry from what Lebron wants to do - Lebron prefers to lollygag with the ball 30 feet from the rim in a ball-dominant fashion.
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And it's a far cry than what any sane coach would have LeBron doing.

LOL @ wanting 260# LeBron constantly running off screens like stick man 200# Miller for a catch and shoots.

[3ball]

And it's a far cry than what any sane coach would have LeBron doing.

LOL @ wanting 260# LeBron constantly running off screens like stick man 200# Miller for a catch and shoots.
Let me tell you something boss - if Lebron could get the same stats by playing off-ball, he'd be 6/6

#realtalk

[ralph_i_el]

What's ironic is you have no idea what you're talking about.

Since when would ball handling determine the primary ball handler?
So AI would be the primary ball handler over Magic? No.

The best playmaker should always be the main ball handler. Lebron has been the best playmaker with the highest passing IQ on basically every year of every team he's played for. Obviously he should have the ball more.

And OP is an idiot. Playing off ball would increase his rebounds if anything. And the premise of this thread is just stupid. But you are a Kovetard, it's expected...:(

^ I agree with this.

[G0ATbe]

He'd basically be Wiggins...with horrid defense and no jumpshot. So a poor mans version of whatever Wiggins career stats are.