Lettuce Discuss How Badly Barry O Hoodwinked Vlad the Impaler...

[DonDadda59]

So around Halloween, when Putin was strutting around with his chest puffed out and talking big in Syria... Some of the more easily influenced by fluff and empty gesture posters here jumped on his bandwagon. They proclaimed him the savior of the World, he was punking Obama on the World stage and showing everyone how weak he was... He was going to show us how to deal with the likes of ISIL.

On October 3, The President said this:


"An attempt by Russia and Iran to prop up Assad and try to pacify the population is just going to get them stuck in a quagmire and it won't work
...

"Mr. Putin had to go into Syria not out of strength, but out of weakness because his client Mr. Assad was crumbling and it was insufficient for him to send arms and money."

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/03/obama-warns-russias-putin-of-quagmire-in-syria.html


Flash forward only a month and a half later...

Putin FINALLY admits what everyone else on the planet already knew- ISIS outmaneuvered him and struck first, blowing 234 of his citizens out of the sky- effectively ending not only travel to/from Russia, but also destroying Egypt's tourism industry.

So in only a month and a half since Putin took a larger role in the Syrian conflict, terrorists crushed Russia's travel industry and killed 224 people in the process. They have only gotten bolder and more effective with attacks in Turkey, Beirut, and now Paris.

Also, following Putin's incursions into the Crimea/Ukraine, another instance which the same clowns claimed showed Putin's strength and Obama's weakness... Barry put the kibosh on Russia's economy by placing sanctions on them in 2014. The result?


Russia's economy keeps getting smaller

The Russian economy took another slide in the third quarter, shrinking by 4.1% compared to the same period last year.

This marks the third consecutive quarter of contraction, keeping the country firmly in a deep recession.

A combination of Western sanctions and low oil prices have seriously hurt the country's economy since 2014.

Western nations turned on Russia after it seized control of Ukraine's Crimea region and began supporting separatist fighters in eastern Ukraine in early 2014.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev estimated in April that Western sanctions would cost Russia over $100 billion.

The 60% collapse in oil prices since the middle of 2014 made the situation much worse. Russia is heavily dependent on its oil riches -- a large portion of government revenue comes from oil and gas exports.

The ruble has lost half its value against the dollar since the start of 2014, and inflation has soared.

The International Monetary Fund expects Russian GDP will shrink by 3.8% this year and by another 0.6% in 2016. Meanwhile, it estimates that inflation will hit 15% this year, and average 8.6% in 2016, wreaking havoc on people's budgets.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/12/news/economy/russia-economy-gdp-q3/



Sanctions imposed on Russia because of its support for separatists in Ukraine could shrink the economy by as much as 9% over time.

That's the view of the International Monetary Fund, which published a regular report on Russia this week.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/04/news/economy/russia-sanctions-impact-imf/?iid=EL



Yikes.

Barry let Vlad walk into the Syrian minefield and shut down his economy. Everyday, Putin is looking more and more like the Russian George W. Bush. Tough talker who leads his people into a deep, disastrous recession and a pointless and costly quagmire in the Middle East.

But Putin does Judo doe... so there's that.

http://occupyilluminati.com/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/a56f8_ObamaGlasses.jpg

Thoughts? :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

Ronda vs Putin in a Judo match; who wins?

[Akrazotile]

Ronda vs Putin in a Judo match; who wins?


Putin is not a TRAINED MMA FIGHTER bro. Even if he added 100 pounds of muscle to his frame and puffed a 10 gram PCP blunt to the dome before the fight, Ronda would dismantle him inside a minute.

I don't think you understand the difference between a TRAINED FIGHTER and some ordinary joe.


TRAINED FIGHER bro.

[DonDadda59]

Ronda vs Putin in a Judo match; who wins?

It would end in a draw. Both are loud-talking frauds. Their bullshit would just cancel each other out.

Then Holly Holm would come out of left field and sweet chin music them into a deep hibernation. Flash forward a few months later, the USSR is reborn under Premier Holm. :rockon:

[NumberSix]

"Vlad the impaler"? :wtf:

That's very offensive to the Muslims.

[DonDadda59]

"Vlad the impaler"? :wtf:

That's very offensive to the Muslims.

They can take care of themselves. Putin just put out a $50 million bounty on the people who hit his plane.

No doubt that money was loaned to him by relatives seeing as how Barry O took all of his money in that game of International poker.

[Nick Young]

Putin FINALLY admits what everyone else on the planet already knew- ISIS outmaneuvered him and struck first, blowing 234 of his citizens out of the sky- effectively ending not only travel to/from Russia, but also destroying Egypt's tourism industry.

LOL. Egypt is a racist terrorist shithole. I should know, I lived there for 2 years. Egypt destroyed its own tourism industry by harboring terrorist training camps in its borders and pushing for Fundamentalist leadership.


A Russian plane gets blown up in Egypt and you call this Russia and Putin's fault? Is Russia supposed to have military security at every single airport that Russian planes fly in to? That attack was 100% Corrupt terrorist shithole Egypt's fault. Egyptian air port workers are the ones who helped the Egyptian terrorists sneak bombs on to that plane.



Putin is kicking ass and now France is following his example. Thank god someone is finally standing up to the ISIS menace.


Barry O meanwhile said "The threat of ISIS is contained" a few hours before ISIS layed siege on Paris. More losses for Barry O.

[West-Side]

It would end in a draw. Both are loud-talking frauds. Their bullshit would just cancel each other out.

Then Holly Holm would come out of left field and sweet chin music them into a deep hibernation. Flash forward a few months later, the USSR is reborn under Premier Holm. :rockon:

Moron, Putin has a 10th degree black belt.
Go back to sucking off the Muslim (aka the real fraud).

[Nick Young]

Putin is not a TRAINED MMA FIGHTER bro. Even if he added 100 pounds of muscle to his frame and puffed a 10 gram PCP blunt to the dome before the fight, Ronda would dismantle him inside a minute.

I don't think you understand the difference between a TRAINED FIGHTER and some ordinary joe.


TRAINED FIGHER bro.
Putin is ex-KGB. He is trained to kill grown ass men. Ronda is trained to fight competitively vs 125 pound women, and she can't even do that right. Pretty sure old Putin would kick prime Ronda's ass.

[DonDadda59]

LOL. Egypt is a racist terrorist shithole. I should know, I lived there for 2 years. Egypt destroyed its own tourism industry by harboring terrorist training camps in its borders and pushing for Fundamentalist leadership.


A Russian plane gets blown up in Egypt and you call this Russia and Putin's fault? Is Russia supposed to have military security at every single airport that Russian planes fly in to? That attack was 100% Corrupt terrorist shithole Egypt's fault. Egyptian air port workers are the ones who helped the Egyptian terrorists sneak bombs on to that plane.



Putin is kicking ass and now France is following his example. Thank god someone is finally standing up to the ISIS menace.


Barry O meanwhile said "The threat of ISIS is contained" a few hours before ISIS layed siege on Paris. More losses for Barry O.

LOL. Putin is not on the hook when a Russian plane is hit by the nigguhs he started shit with but Barry O is responsible for what goes on in Paris? How convenient.

BTW, How do you say 'smoke em out' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhoj_uwIeyM) in Ruski? Asking for a friend. :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

LOL. Putin is not on the hook when a Russian plane is hit by the nigguhs he started shit with but Barry O is responsible for what goes on in Paris? How convenient.

BTW, How do you say 'smoke em out' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhoj_uwIeyM) in Ruski? Asking for a friend. :confusedshrug:
Barry O is obviously not responsible for Paris but he looks like a massive dumbass saying ISIS is contained right before they pull off their biggest attack on European soil ever.


Putin never started shit with Egypt. Egypt is not Syria. Egyptians are not Syrians. Muslims are not all the same. Stop being a racist Islamaphobe.

[DonDadda59]

Moron, Putin has a 10th degree black belt.

Recreation of Putin Starting Shit With ISIS (https://youtu.be/zL_S5p_fUt4?t=50s)


Go back to sucking off the Muslim (aka the real fraud).

This Anti-American, Pro Soviet sentiment should be worrying to all Patriots. Where is McCarthy when you need him?


Barry O is obviously not responsible for Paris but he looks like a massive dumbass saying ISIS is contained right before they pull off their biggest attack on European soil ever.

Barry was talking about the Caliphate, after a U.S. backed mission cut ISIS in half after the Peshmerga and Yazidi recaptured Sinjar and Highway 47. They also took out Jihadi John in that operation.

French domestic issues are the jurisdiction of those cheese eating surrender monkeys.


Putin never started shit with Egypt. Egypt is not Syria. Egyptians are not Syrians. Muslims are not all the same. Stop being a racist Islamaphobe.

ISIS does not respect borders. They wipe their ass with Picot-Sykes.

[KevinNYC]

Totally agree with this point


Mr. Putin had to go into Syria not out of strength, but out of weakness because his client Mr. Assad was crumbling and it was insufficient for him to send arms and money.

Don't agree with much else. If Putin's decision was a bad one, I don't think Obama hoodwinked him into it. Russia' economy is in rough shape due to cheap oil and non-diversified economy not due to military adventurism. (Although Crimea is turning out (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-24/crimea-is-now-putin-s-problem-child) to be more expensive than Russia thought.

Chewing made a post about this quote a little while back. His assessment was incorrect. It wasn't that Obama was wrong, it was that the US in the same situation. It was more an irony than a falsehood.

Putin doesn't have the means to achieve his goals militarily in Syria in say the next six months. But then neither does the US. Both are playing weak hands.

Either side would have to truly escalate and even that probably wouldn't end it in the short term.

This is why Russia and the US both seem to talking about a political solution to this.

[DonDadda59]

So.... a week and change later, Turkey shoots down Putin's jet. Bad ass Putin's alpha response?

Sanctions (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34954575)... AKA what weak ass Obama did in response to Vlad the impaler's excursion into Ukraine/Crimea. :roll:

And while that was going down, the Al-Qaeda backed Al Nusra and other anti Assad rebel groups banded together to take back territory in the city of Aleppo from the government.

[INDENT]Insurgents recapture town in Aleppo province from Syrian army

BEIRUT

[Nick Young]

Putin is doing the smart thing. Do you expect him to singlehandedly declare war vs NATO?:facepalm


Barry O fans continue to warmonger and preach violence. You are more bloodthirsty than most Bushlovers, DonDadda.

Disgusting:facepalm


He's not going to win overnight vs ISIS when Turkey, Saudi Arabia and USA are still supporting them.

[DonDadda59]

Putin is doing the smart thing. Do you expect him to singlehandedly declare war vs NATO?:facepalm


Barry O fans continue to warmonger and preach violence. You are more bloodthirsty than most Bushlovers, DonDadda.

Disgusting:facepalm


He's not going to win overnight vs ISIS when Turkey, Saudi Arabia and USA are still supporting them.

He's not going to win any time vs anyone, that's what I tried explaining to you when you were hyping this fool up when he started running his mouth. And again, ISIS was never his main concern. It's the rebels like the ones who just took major territory in Aleppo or the Turkmen he was targeting when his jet was shot down.

I just think it's hilarious how much of a fool he's been made into in just under 2 months. All the fools here who thought he was actually going to take military action against Turkey.

This isn't the early 1960s. No one sweats Russia any more. And now the word is out- you can shoot down his planes and all Putin will do in response is pout.

[Nick Young]

Would you rather he starts WWIII by shooting down Turkish jets made by the USA in retaliation?

[DonDadda59]

Would you rather he starts WWIII by shooting down Turkish jets made by the USA in retaliation?

I would rather he stopped making a fool of himself on the World stage and deal with his failing economy instead of stirring up controversy and creating unnecessary strife in already volatile areas.

[Nick Young]

I would rather he stopped making a fool of himself on the World stage and deal with his failing economy instead of stirring up controversy and creating unnecessary strife in already volatile areas.
You speak as if USA didn't have a failing economy under 6 years of Barry O's reign.


I think that you don't understand how politics work.

[DonDadda59]

You speak as if USA didn't have a failing economy under 6 years of Barry O's reign.


I think that you don't understand how politics work.

The irony :lol

[KevinNYC]

You speak as if USA didn't have a failing economy under 6 years of Barry O's reign.
Absolute and complete nonsense.

We are in the midst a slow and steady expansion that is one of the longest in the history of the country.

Of the 12 countries that experienced the financial crisis only Germany recovered faster.

The record streak of private sector job growth is at 68 months and counting.
https://blog.dol.gov/files/2015/11/numberchart_oct-1-1024x562.jpg

If the pace from Jan '13 continues Obama's second term will have more jobs added than ever other term since 1977 except for Clinton's first term.

This growth is occurring even though public sector jobs are still way down

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XzGzi1Nfpa0/VjzTlEqZpxI/AAAAAAAAlnE/M-HQQuYndwg/s1600/PublicOct2015.PNG

If public sector jobs grew like they did during other presidencies, unemployment would be way further down.

The US is looking pretty good compared to the eurozone

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/m0NQ5TEbs_fEzYb5heHl6ZQKpZQ=/600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2903558/Screen_Shot_2015-01-04_at_9.59.54_PM.0.png

Europe slipped back into recession in 2011 for a year and a half. The US with its small steady steps has avoided that. If the US had the double dip recession that Europe had we be talking about how President Romney would do against Hillary.

We have not been in a recession since the third quarter of 2009. It's been 6 years since we've had a recession.

[BoutPractice]

People need to stop overrating Putin...

But there's no need to compensate by painting Obama as this great strategic mastermind who foresaw everything.

They aren't two chess grandmasters. Just two experienced world leaders with a different set of objectives, one who has to focus on immediate tactics, the other who can afford to play a slightly longer game, but is still ultimately bound by the instantaneous nature of day-to-day politics as well as the coming end of his presidential term.

[Dresta]

Kevin and his God the GDP stat :bowdown:. Again, this fool thinks blowing up enormous bubbles and pretending this is 'growth' through an obsession with aggregated (and hopelessly inaccurate and methodologically flawed) statistics tells us anything about the real state of the 'national economy' (presuming there even exists such a thing, which there doesn't - it is a simple abstraction, and you live your life by it :oldlol:).

Also, nice to see DonDumbass still running his ignorant mouth and spewing verbal diarrhea left, right, and centre; one minute mindlessly hating on Putin for actually having a plan in Syria (something the Americans seem to be lacking - hence why they keep spending loads of money to achieve nothing). Obama withdraws from Iraq; Obama encourages the destabilization of Syria, too ignorant to recognise this would spill over to Iraq; Obama compares ISIS to a jv team, and says they aren't a threat - instead he still wants to go after Assad; Obama finally realises the idiocy of his past decision, and so builds a completely ineffective 'coalition' to 'degrade and destroy' IS, but refuses to aid the most effective fighting forces against IS, for some obscure and unknown reason. Obama's foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster: his policies and actions (illegal in Libya), have created more than one wasteland, and a network of terrorism that now spans most of the world - go Obama! Well done in creating a haven for terrorists and arms smuggling in Libya, thanks for encouraging a Civil War in Syria - the people of Syria surely would thank him for his anti-Assadism if only given the chance!

DonDumbass is the most despicable of partisans, and for all his moralising about religion, he shows he has not the slightest shred of moral worth or personal dignity the way he cheerleads over mass-murder of over 200 people, because in his sick and depraved mind, this makes Obama look good. I think DonDadda is a fine example of how loud-mouthed atheists tend to be devoid of a moral compass themselves, which is why they laugh at and ridicule those who do (deep down this must be driven by some insecure hatred, a need to think everything should think as you do - basically, a pathetic vanity).

Putin knows the realities of Syria, and that the only way to defeat ISIS is to support to the forces on the ground capable of fighting it. Obama has shown himself unwilling to back either Assad, or even the Syrian Kurds, and these, along with the Iranians and Hezbollah, are the only effective fighting forces against IS. Instead, your hero Obama keeps pretending he has a coalition with the Saudis (lol, they are at the root of the destabalisation of Syria, and care only about removing Assad - hence why Obama, Cameron and co. care so much about doing so, and only pretend to care about ISIS). And if you believe the mythological rhetoric about 'moderate' rebels, then you are an even bigger fool than i thought.

DonDumbass openly applauding a foreign policy that could only make sense if it were made in Saudi Arabia - Obama, like that other **** FDR, knows how to make the Saudis happy, and knows how to use American military power to support their agendas.

What a sad, sad shill you are.

[Dresta]

Patrick Cockburn has been putting out some decent stuff lately, and to anyone who has read him, it will be clear that the likes of DonDadda are stuffed full of shit.


Whatever formal support there was in Nato for Turkey over the shooting down of a Russian aircraft, President Putin’s denunciation of Turkey’s support for extreme jihadis over the past three years has struck home. If there are more Isis mass killings of civilians from Western Europe or the US, pressure for a closer alliance with Russia is bound to grow.

The crisis is increasingly centred on a small part of the Syria where foreign powers and local proxies jostle each other. This is the north-west corner of Syria between the Euphrates and the Mediterranean, and south of the Syrian-Turkish border. It was here that the Russian plane was shot down by a Turkish jet on 19 November and where there has since been intense fighting. The Syrian army, backed by heavy Russian air strikes, has gained control of an important position known as the Turkmen mountain.

Some 10,000 Syrian soldiers are reportedly battling 6,000 Turkmen, the Army of Conquest, and the al-Qaeda linked Nusra Front (underlining the problem with David Cameron’s 70,000 moderate fighters: the Turkmen might be described as moderate, but they are fighting alongside the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda). The Syrian armed opposition has always depended on the border with Syria being open and, if the Syrian army and the Russians begin to close it, they will have gone a long way towards winning an important victory in the war. Half of the 550 mile-long frontier is already held by the Syrian Kurds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/isis-david-cameron-plans-to-go-to-war-but-has-not-produced-realistic-plans-for-defeating-the-group-a6752991.html

This could be literally be ended in a few months if the West was willing to stop allowing itself to be manacled by the wants of Saudi Arabia and Turkey, identify its true enemy in ISIS, and actually work with the wide range of forces and powers who aim to destroy it. Instead, more idiotic rhetoric about Assad, and how the Russians are bombing make-believe 'moderates.'


fyi, the Syrian army has made a bunch of gains since the Russians got involved; to deny this is to ignore everything that has happened in Syria over the last few months. Assad was on his last legs when Russia got involved, and Syria was on the verge of becoming another power vacuum like Libya.


Despite all the furious rhetoric after the Paris killings, Isis does not look as if is going to be under pressure that it cannot withstand. Both Russia and Russia’s critics have for different reasons portrayed Russia’s military intervention as being on a larger scale than it really is. It has fewer than 100 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters operating in support of the Syrian army. This may be enough to reverse the advances by the Army of Conquest (mostly al-Nusra Front and Ahrar al-Sham) which, backed by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar happened in May. But it is not enough to give a depleted Syrian army the strength to win a decisive victory like the capture of the rebel-held half of Aleppo. The Iranian role also tends to be exaggerated, both by Iran and its enemies. The Pentagon says that there are fewer than 2,000 Iranian troops in Syria and 1,000 in Iraq.

Clearly, if the West wants to defeat IS, it will have to coordinate with and ally itself to Russia and Assad, otherwise this will continue for years and years, and for what, because Obama and Cameron want to save face, or because they don't want to upset their Saudi and Turkish 'friends'? This vacillation and unwillingness to come down on one side is just extending the conflict, and amplifying the misery - it is pointless posturing, and it has ruined hundreds of thousands of lives.

[BoutPractice]

"That other **** FDR" helped liberate my country from the nazis, and generally did everything he could to ensure that the Allied forces would win the war.

There's a decent argument to be made that as far as political leaders go, he was one of the greatest forces for good that history has ever seen (to be fair it's not like there's a lot of competition.. most important political figures have been destructive forces). His decisions helped prevent a new Dark Ages, instead setting the stage for a century of unprecedented progress and prosperity under American leadership.

So of course you would dislike him.

It's easy to criticize him in the abstract, but when you put yourself in the situation at the time and realize what an universe where there wasn't FDR might have looked like, he comes out even greater than in the history books.

(It's not a partisan left-right thing, by the way. I admire Churchill too... De Gaulle... I'll even admit to liking Ronald Reagan. Against certain adversaries and in certain circumstances, slight inclinations in domestic policy no longer matter that much)

[DonDadda59]

Kevin and his God the GDP stat :bowdown:. Again, this fool thinks blowing up enormous bubbles and pretending this is 'growth' through an obsession with aggregated (and hopelessly inaccurate and methodologically flawed) statistics tells us anything about the real state of the 'national economy' (presuming there even exists such a thing, which there doesn't - it is a simple abstraction, and you live your life by it :oldlol:).

Also, nice to see DonDumbass still running his ignorant mouth and spewing verbal diarrhea left, right, and centre; one minute mindlessly hating on Putin for actually having a plan in Syria (something the Americans seem to be lacking - hence why they keep spending loads of money to achieve nothing). Obama withdraws from Iraq; Obama encourages the destabilization of Syria, too ignorant to recognise this would spill over to Iraq; Obama compares ISIS to a jv team, and says they aren't a threat - instead he still wants to go after Assad; Obama finally realises the idiocy of his past decision, and so builds a completely ineffective 'coalition' to 'degrade and destroy' IS, but refuses to aid the most effective fighting forces against IS, for some obscure and unknown reason. Obama's foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster: his policies and actions (illegal in Libya), have created more than one wasteland, and a network of terrorism that now spans most of the world - go Obama! Well done in creating a haven for terrorists and arms smuggling in Libya, thanks for encouraging a Civil War in Syria - the people of Syria surely would thank him for his anti-Assadism if only given the chance!

DonDumbass is the most despicable of partisans, and for all his moralising about religion, he shows he has not the slightest shred of moral worth or personal dignity the way he cheerleads over mass-murder of over 200 people, because in his sick and depraved mind, this makes Obama look good. I think DonDadda is a fine example of how loud-mouthed atheists tend to be devoid of a moral compass themselves, which is why they laugh at and ridicule those who do (deep down this must be driven by some insecure hatred, a need to think everything should think as you do - basically, a pathetic vanity).

Putin knows the realities of Syria, and that the only way to defeat ISIS is to support to the forces on the ground capable of fighting it. Obama has shown himself unwilling to back either Assad, or even the Syrian Kurds, and these, along with the Iranians and Hezbollah, are the only effective fighting forces against IS. Instead, your hero Obama keeps pretending he has a coalition with the Saudis (lol, they are at the root of the destabalisation of Syria, and care only about removing Assad - hence why Obama, Cameron and co. care so much about doing so, and only pretend to care about ISIS). And if you believe the mythological rhetoric about 'moderate' rebels, then you are an even bigger fool than i thought.

DonDumbass openly applauding a foreign policy that could only make sense if it were made in Saudi Arabia - Obama, like that other **** FDR, knows how to make the Saudis happy, and knows how to use American military power to support their agendas.

What a sad, sad shill you are.

Nothing like getting hated on in Old Timey English. Looks like I rustled Charles Dickens' alcoholic cousin's jimmies something fierce.

DonDumbass :oldlol: :applause:

[Dresta]

DonDadda got nothing interesting to say as usual ^^^^

Standard stock response - can't you ever think of anything else?


"That other **** FDR" helped liberate my country from the nazis, and generally did everything he could to ensure that the Allied forces would win the war.

There's a decent argument to be made that as far as political leaders go, he was one of the greatest forces for good that history has ever seen (to be fair it's not like there's a lot of competition.. most important political figures have been destructive forces). His decisions helped prevent a new Dark Ages, instead setting the stage for a century of unprecedented progress and prosperity under American leadership.

So of course you would dislike him.

It's easy to criticize him in the abstract, but when you put yourself in the situation at the time and realize what an universe where there wasn't FDR might have looked like, he comes out even greater than in the history books.

(It's not a partisan left-right thing, by the way. I admire Churchill too... De Gaulle... I'll even admit to liking Ronald Reagan. Against certain adversaries and in certain circumstances, slight inclinations in domestic policy no longer matter that much)
So did Stalin; in fact, Stalin did far more than FDR did - doesn't make him any less of a ****, likewise with FDR. I don't criticise him 'in the abstract' - i criticise his practical actions, and their inevitable consequences (consequences he failed to foresee); the man simply didn't know what he was doing for years (even admitted by his fans), he just had to do 'something' even though that something always meant centralising more power in his own hands. What you are doing is praising him in the abstract, and giving him credit for things which are ridiculous to accredit to one man.

He, more than anyone else, forged the American Empire - he started the special relationship with the Saudi's that continue to plague us to this day; he forced the dismantling of the British Empire at a pace that turned out to have disastrous consequences. I could type out a list over a hundred lines long of the evils that plague America which stem from that demagogue in chief. And yet here you are, peddling the inane myth that one man saved your country - what an absurd statement. FDR spent years delaying the liberation of your country, much to the chagrin of Stalin, who really did far more to defeat the nazis than FDR could ever have hoped to have done.

Doesn't mean i forgive Stalin everything else.

edit: And i don't like Churchill either: his indiscriminate firebombing of German civilians was an unforgivable crime. As was his getting the British involved in WW1 completely needlessly. But he did stand up to Hitler far more than FDR did, who used Britain's weakened state to exploit them through with programs like Lend-Lease. That's not a grand moral crusade against Hitler, but pure opportunism. It seems that more than anything FDR's aim was to make the US President the most powerful person on the planet, and with far less accountability than those who inhabited that position in the past. Unaccountable Executive power - why exactly is it so ignoble in your mind to oppose such a thing?

[Nick Young]

DonDumbass is the most despicable of partisans, and for all his moralising about religion, he shows he has not the slightest shred of moral worth or personal dignity the way he cheerleads over mass-murder of over 200 people, because in his sick and depraved mind, this makes Obama look good. I think DonDadda is a fine example of how loud-mouthed atheists tend to be devoid of a moral compass themselves, which is why they laugh at and ridicule those who do (deep down this must be driven by some insecure hatred, a need to think everything should think as you do - basically, a pathetic vanity).

Forreal. The bolded part is disgusting. He's been doing it ever since the Russian airliner went down. DonDadda is true human slime. Who the phuck cheers on terrorist attacks?:facepalm

[Nick Young]

There's a decent argument to be made that as far as political leaders go, he was one of the greatest forces for good that history has ever seen (to be fair it's not like there's a lot of competition.. most important political figures have been destructive forces). His decisions helped prevent a new Dark Ages, instead setting the stage for a century of unprecedented progress and prosperity under American leadership.

Yes, the man who funded and organized the creation of the atomic bomb is the greatest force of good in history.

[KevinNYC]

Kevin and his God the GDP stat :bowdown:. Again, this fool thinks blowing up enormous bubbles and pretending this is 'growth' through an obsession with aggregated (and hopelessly inaccurate and methodologically flawed) statistics tells us anything about the real state of the 'national economy' (presuming there even exists such a thing, which there doesn't - it is a simple abstraction, and you live your life by it :oldlol:)


Dresta's just a wishing and a hoping for disaster again. Remember, good economic news doesn't cause cognitive dissonance if you claim the stats are aggregated.

What! That's not enough? The mental stress of being wrong is still coming through? What if I say the stats are inaccurate? NO. Hopelessly inaccurate! Dammit, I'm still grinding my teeth. uh.....hopelessly inaccurate AND methodologically flawed, I tell you! ****! Now I want to kick the cat. I'll just claim that a national economy doesn't even exist. **** him and his improving national economy! ..........
http://i.imgur.com/EJzkp5L.png

[BoutPractice]

You have to appreciate how near apocalyptic the daily experience of those times was to understand nuclear weapons. It truly was a war for dominion of the world.

Although path dependency makes it difficult, we need to get rid of nuclear weapons - no question. But they made sense at the time, as one response to the particular circumstances that arose in the 1940s.

To talk about the atomic bomb, we must talk to Albert Einstein (most likely a greater force for good than Roosevelt... I never called FDR the greatest force for good as a human being, only as a politician, and the standard for that, once again, is pretty low). A noted pacifist, Einstein nonetheless lent his name to a letter encouraging the United States to develop a nuclear weapons programme.

Why do you think that is? This is a rhetorical question, as I'm sure you know the answer: he and many others were concerned about Germany developing their own nuclear weapons.

And that's the flaw in your argument. Nuclear weapons were being developed anyway... Had the US not done anything, the Nazis would have been the ones to get them.

Nazis with nuclear weapons - not only that, but the only ones with nuclear weapons. Even Einstein, who was seen as a security concern by the US because of his pacifism, saw the danger in that.

[DonDadda59]

DonDadda got nothing interesting to say as usual ^^^^

Standard stock response - can't you ever think of anything else?




They don't call me DonDumbass for nothing. :confusedshrug:

Let me see if I can come up with something as brilliant as that. Uhh... Cresta... Pretentious Hacksta... Clinically DePresta... Addicted to abusive substancesEsta...

:ohwell:

BTW, your SAT words per sentence ratio has plummeted lately. I'm talking Kobe style here. What's going on with you? Sold your thesaurus for some coke? I can get you a new one for Christmas (Even though technically I still call it Saturnalia or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) if we do a secret Santa here... *hint hint* :D

[warriorfan]

They don't call me DonDumbass for nothing. :confusedshrug:

Let me see if I can come up with something as brilliant as that. Uhh... Cresta... Pretentious Hacksta... Clinically DePresta... Addicted to abusive substancesEsta...

:ohwell:

BTW, your SAT words per sentence ratio has plummeted lately. I'm talking Kobe style here. What's going on with you? Sold your thesaurus for some coke? I can get you a new one for Christmas (Even though technically I still call it Saturnalia or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) if we do a secret Santa here... *hint hint* :D

damn... :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

They don't call me DonDumbass for nothing. :confusedshrug:

Let me see if I can come up with something as brilliant as that. Uhh... Cresta... Pretentious Hacksta... Clinically DePresta... Addicted to abusive substancesEsta...

:ohwell:

BTW, your SAT words per sentence ratio has plummeted lately. I'm talking Kobe style here. What's going on with you? Sold your thesaurus for some coke? I can get you a new one for Christmas (Even though technically I still call it Saturnalia or Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) if we do a secret Santa here... *hint hint* :D
NSA on your ass son. Cheering on terrorists on the internet will get you life in Gitmo:rockon:

[DonDadda59]

NSA on your ass son. Cheering on terrorists on the internet will get you life in Gitmo:rockon:

Then I'll see you in the socialist worker's paradise afterlife, comrade. #USSR4Life #Putin2Stong #F*ckThePresidentoftheUnitedStates #PartyLikeIts1963

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1167592/soviet-army-o.gif

[Nick Young]

Then I'll see you in the socialist worker's paradise afterlife, comrade. #USSR4Life #Putin2Stong #F*ckThePresidentoftheUnitedStates #PartyLikeIts1963

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1167592/soviet-army-o.gif
You are pro-Commie now too?

#Itsonlyamatteroftime
#UntiltheNSA
#SendsyoutoGITMO
#Enjoyyourfreedomwhileyouhaveit
#GODBLESSAMERICA
#thankyouNSA

[DonDadda59]

You are pro-Commie now too?


They call me Donny KGB :pimp:

This is my role model:

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/5592750769bedd1353169e90/image.jpg

Oh wait...

[Nick Young]

You should get better role models, bro.

My role models are Ghengis Khan, Zhuangzi and Buddha.

[DonDadda59]

You should get better role models, bro.

My role models are Ghengis Khan, Zhuangzi and Buddha.

I see. So this wasn't you just a few weeks ago?



Putin is literally saving the world right now, nearly single-handedly. He also is masterfully playing the Crimea/Ukraine conflict and schooling us there as well. WHY THE PHUCK CAN'T WE FIND AN AMERICAN WHO IS ON HIS LEVEL AND WANTS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT? Every single person running in the elections on both parties is a patsy bitch, except Donald Trump, and Trump would stand no chance vs Putin+is a joke candidate.


Putin is doing the right thing here. He's basically acting as the world's Batman.

http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/29671/0x0/putin.jpg

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/p/r/proidemtes/batman-robin1.jpg



Putin is the alpha politician in world politics right now.


Obama has everything going for him and all the resources and is repeatedly getting schooled in basic political maneuvers by Russia. They are straight Game of Thronesing us.


[Putin's] country is doing poorly and doesn't have much resources and still he is dominating the world stage with pure old school Machiavellian politics. This is like the third massive L he is giving to America in the past two years alone.


Russia is pwning USA on the political stage. You attempting to spin things Obama's way with tired CNN talking points will not change anything.


He's supporting Assad, trolling the US and doing whatever the phuck he wants and calling the US' bluff knowing that Obama is a bitch who has zero strength behind any of his threats.


Your boy Obama has been taking constant L's from Putin for the past 8 years.

http://images.realclear.com/279357_5_.jpg


https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/obama-terrorist-supporter-warpress-info.jpg

Etc. and so on. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386495)

How much of an absolute jackass do you feel like right now... Only like 7 weeks later. :roll:

[Nick Young]

Everything you quoted me saying is true. Obama is a shit president and Putin is pwning him. Obama is also actively supporting ISIS, as well as the shitsucking Turks and Saudis, while allowing our loyal Kurdish allies to get beat on. That doesn't mean that USA sucks and commies are awesome. Communist ideology is as bad as ISIS ideology.

Jim Webb is the guy we needed to combat Putin's mastery of realpolitik. Instead we will be stuck with George W Bush 2.0 AKA Hillary Clinton.

Meanwhile, you be cheering on ISIS after they took down the Russian plane. Who the phuck cheers on the death of 200 innocents from a terrorist attack?


Homeland Security and the NSA are not down for that.

I never thought I'd write this hashtag, but
#THANKYOUPATRIOTACT

For protecting America from people like you.

[Smook B]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HOlodgavdpo/UgU03vr6THI/AAAAAAAAOKU/y32LeeT8MdY/s1600/putin-family-guy.gif

[TheMan]

Nick Young still quoating hashtags like it's 2012 :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Nick Young still quoating hashtags like it's 2012 :oldlol:
#Its2015
#Dealwithit

[DonDadda59]

Well it took just over 2 months, but it looks like Vlad is rethinking the guns blazing strategy. He and the leader of the free world met Monday and spoke for half an hour, discussing a 'political solution' as opposed to military in Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/30/world/europe/ap-eu-russia-putin.html?_r=0

2 months after Alpha Male Putin was going to stamp out terrorism in the Middle East, he's now imposing sanctions on enemies and talking up political solutions. Obama Style. :facepalm

Also, looks like Turkish president is playing for keeps...


Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday accused Turkey of shooting down the plane to protect secret oil trade with the terrorist group ISIS. He said the plane was actually going to attack ISIS targets in Syria.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the plane violated Turkish airspace. He said he'll resign if Moscow can prove its claim.

"As soon as such a claim is proved, the nobility of our nation requires (me) to do this," Erdogan told reporters at the climate change summit in Paris on Monday.

But, he added, if the allegations are untrue, then Putin should resign.

"I am asking Mr. Putin, would you remain?"

So far, Putin has not responded to that question.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/01/europe/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-tensions/index.html




Turkey continually herbing Russia on the World stage. How do you say hold this L in Russian?

[Dresta]

Whether the plane violated Turkish airspace or not is immaterial. Turkish jets often violate the airspace of other nations, yet they are not shot down, nor would they expect to be. Christ, Americans invaded Soviet airspace for a solid year during the airlift and no-one was shot down, and that was with Stalin running the show :facepalm.

Yet the Turks shot down a Russian plane for 17 seconds imposition, and this was for the sake of their own security? Please, you couldn't possibly believe such rubbish. Erdogan is playing Obama for a chump, as usual. Obama gave him the go-ahead to start pommeling the Kurds (thinking they'd bomb isis, which they never did), and now he's backing their recklessness regarding Russia (considering the extent of Turkey's responsibility in helping the growth of IS, this is even more foolish).

If Obama weren't such a ******* he'd side with Russia and Assad, and put an end to isis - but let's be real, isis, and extremist sunni islamists have never been his real concern - the removal of Assad is far more important apparently!!

[Nick Young]

Saudis hate Syrians and Assad as they were a relatively liberal society that didn't give in to Wahadi hype bullshit.

USA is sucking up to Saudi by going after Assad. The Saudis are the only reason USA isn't supporting Assad here.




The Saudis are the true bad guys of the world in all of this. The people running that country, as well as UAE to a lesser extent, are basically SPECTOR from James Bond, with all the shadow influence they have over EVERYTHING. They are getting Turks, Hamas and ISIS to act as their henchmen.


Shi'ites and Sunnis generally get along without Wahadi Saudi politics bringing them in to conflict with each other.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Saudis hate Syrians and Assad as they were a relatively liberal society that didn't give in to Wahadi hype bullshit.

USA is sucking up to Saudi by going after Assad. The Saudis are the only reason USA isn't supporting Assad here.




The Saudis are the true bad guys of the world in all of this. The people running that country, as well as UAE to a lesser extent, are basically SPECTOR from James Bond, with all the shadow influence they have over EVERYTHING. They are getting Turks, Hamas and ISIS to act as their henchmen.


Shi'ites and Sunnis generally get along without Wahadi Saudi politics bringing them in to conflict with each other.
It's spelled "Spectre" you ****ing moron

[Nick Young]

It's spelled "Spectre" you ****ing moron
W/E bitch :roll:

I don't use gay English spellings of things.

Deal with it.

[Dresta]

It's clear that Saudi Arabia is very much at the centre of all these problems, and they've spent a lot of money setting up mosques in Western countries that are led by what can only be called 'hate-preachers.'

David Cameron kept sputtering about the 'head of the snake' the other day, and calling it Raqqa - but truly, the root cause of this problem, the fulcrum, the so-called 'head of the snake,' is not even in Syria or Iraq, but in Saudi Arabia, and in our indulgence of a despicable Saudi regime, and the deplorable brand of Wahhabism which they have spread throughout the world. Until we recognise that this is from where the problem stems, then we will keep failing to tackle it effectively.