Native American Michael William Stormwolf just posted this on Facebook

[CavaliersFTW]

"If a white trash woman wears the flag, it's alright, even in a bikini! If a Muslim does, it's horrific? You're all immigrants, get over it! You racist euroamericans think you have thick skin? Guess again, you get easily offended! Hypocrites!"

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http://siliconangle.com/files/2015/05/Im-not-a-rapper-gif-loop.gif

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i.imgur.com/SSh4gAC.jpg

funny cause it's true :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/exposure/content/photo/photo/2100565_thanksgiving-is-magic_hy2vhyamxp64qwf6l2cajezrbeeatuw6lrlcsphco3fl mkbrawuq_757x425.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4973764-3x2-940x627.jpg

:roll:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

That's right Cavs,

Puritan and Muslims have quite a few parallels.

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--Q7pmsv80Xc/Vk0mKxzSGoI/AAAAAAAAHUY/luj-3cb6V7w/s640-Ic42/10429400_764786965239_2136064358692383979_n.jpg


No wonder white conservatives fear the refugees... we've been told this story before and the refugees did indeed turn out to be dangerous :lol

[NumberSix]

http://i.imgur.com/SSh4gAC.jpg
Refugees to what?

[Akrazotile]

LOL i made this parallel weeks ago, thread should still be here.

If youre an American, KNOWING what happened to the Injuns when a new culture showed up en masse, why would you NOT be skeptical of welcoming one now??

[Patrick Chewing]

Again, Liberal maniacs like the OP and his filthy ilk are distorting reality by making this about race and xenophobia rather than overall security.


:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

Refugees to what?
North American Pilgrims are religious congregations of Brownist English Dissenters who fled the volatile political environment in England for the relative calm and tolerance of 16th

[CavaliersFTW]

Again, Liberal maniacs like the OP and his filthy ilk are distorting reality by making this about race and xenophobia rather than overall security.


:facepalm
:roll: omg you resorted to calling me names and acting paranoid af.

Explain in one sentence why the situation is different. I'll wait :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

:roll: omg you resorted to calling me names and acting paranoid af.

Explain in one sentence why the situation is different. I'll wait :lol


Because no one is being bigoted here. Clearly you have to be a dumbass not to understand that there is no proper way to vet all these Syrians when ISIS has infiltrated Syria and it is suspected that a Syrian refugee was involved in the Paris attack. Vet them against what? These are people with no history in Syria and no history in the U.S.

You honestly think government officials are saying to themselves, "Ewww dirty Syrian Muslims eww eww eww don't let them in!"

Grow the **** up you clown.

[Patrick Chewing]

Without race baiting, Black and Liberal America really has no other leg to stand on. Get a job. Get a life.

[CavaliersFTW]

LOL i made this parallel weeks ago, thread should still be here.

If youre an American, KNOWING what happened to the Injuns when a new culture showed up en masse, why would you NOT be skeptical of welcoming one now??
Oh believe me I get it, it's funny because it's true.

I'm just waiting to see if any of our resident conservative white posters here will openly admit that yep that's exactly what happened and that's exactly why they're so terrified right now. I wonder if they'll admit the obvious hypocrisy or will be in denial of it and try to come up with other excuses to absolve themselves from being painted in a negative light.

[CavaliersFTW]

Without race baiting, Black and Liberal America really has no other leg to stand on. Get a job. Get a life.
This conversation can be had without any race bait at all.

You admit that pilgrims were refugees that usurped the safety and stability of the culture/s that were in place here before them right?

You admit that that very same thing is what you are afraid will happen with syrian refugees right?

You admit that the thing you are trying to protect from these syrian refugees would never even exist or be something worth protecting without a history of refugees taking over the natives right?

:lol

[Akrazotile]

Oh believe me I get it, it's funny because it's true.

I'm just waiting to see if any of our resident conservative white posters here will openly admit that yep that's exactly what happened and that's exactly why they're so terrified right now. I wonder if they'll admit the obvious hypocrisy or will be in denial of it and try to come up with other excuses to absolve themselves from being painted in a negative light.



Huh?

If you found out the house you live in was stolen by your great great great great great great great grandparents, and someone today tried to break in would you be like "well, shit, the thang was stolen 300 years ago anyway... Lemme give this fella a turn here for a little while"

:facepalm

[dude77]

Oh believe me I get it, it's funny because it's true.

I'm just waiting to see if any of our resident conservative white posters here will openly admit that yep that's exactly what happened and that's exactly why they're so terrified right now. I wonder if they'll admit the obvious hypocrisy or will be in denial of it and try to come up with other excuses to absolve themselves from being painted in a negative light.

who gives a fk about any of that ? the point is, given the current circumstances, these people either need to be kept out or vetted like no one else has been .. it's fkn simple .. fkn christ .. we're arguing about who's a hypocrite when we're dealing with national security and the safety of americans .. liberals are psychotic

[CavaliersFTW]

Huh?

If you found out the house you live in was stolen by your great great great great great great great grandparents, and someone today tried to break in would you be like "well, shit, the thang was stolen 300 years ago... Let me give this guy a turn here for a little while"

:facepalm
You can't steal a home.

Records show who owners are. And if you weren't the rightful owner of your home or the place you are living you very well could legally be thrown out.

[Akrazotile]

You can't steal a home.

Records show who owners are. And if you weren't the rightful owner of your home or the place you are living you very well could legally be thrown out.


:wtf:

[CavaliersFTW]

who gives a fk about any of that ? the point is, given the current circumstances, these people either need to be kept out or vetted like no one else has been .. it's fkn simple .. fkn christ .. we're arguing about who's a hypocrite when we're dealing with national security and the safety of americans .. liberals are psychotic
I'm not disagreeing one bit but for sheer amusement I just want to hear admission that it's hypocritical.

Basically a game of king of the mountain. You kicked the natives off their mountain, it's yours now, now you don't want anyone to kick you off the mountain.

Agree? :D

[Patrick Chewing]

who gives a fk about any of that ? the point is, given the current circumstances, these people either need to be kept out or vetted like no one else has been .. it's fkn simple .. fkn christ .. we're arguing about who's a hypocrite when we're dealing with national security and the safety of americans .. liberals are psychotic


I'm astounded by the way Liberals think. It's the complete opposite of anything rational and reasonable. They hate this country, their race, the government that supports them, most likely houses them and feeds them, and they want to see anarchy. I'm more worried about Liberals than I am Muslim extremists to tell you the truth. The last thing I want is to be stuck in an elevator with some douchey Liberal whining about racial issues....f'n Christ they are insane people. They are obsessed with race.

[Akrazotile]

I'm not disagreeing one bit but for sheer amusement I just want to hear admission that it's hypocritical.

Basically a game of king of the mountain. You kicked the natives off their mountain, it's yours now, now you don't want anyone to kick you off the mountain.

Agree? :D


Who is this 'you?'

[dude77]

I'm not disagreeing one bit but for sheer amusement I just want to hear admission that it's hypocritical.

Basically a game of king of the mountain. You kicked the natives off their mountain, it's yours now, now you don't want anyone to kick you off the mountain.

Agree? :D

yeah that's right .. so what ? .. who the fk wants to be 'kicked off the mountain' .. unless you're some guilt ridden cuck pssy ? .. is that you or something ?

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm not disagreeing one bit but for sheer amusement I just want to hear admission that it's hypocritical.

Basically a game of king of the mountain. You kicked the natives off their mountain, it's yours now, now you don't want anyone to kick you off the mountain.

Agree? :D


What are you talking about?? The refugees are going to kick us off the mountain? Are you on drugs?

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm astounded by the way Liberals think. It's the complete opposite of anything rational and reasonable. They hate this country, their race, the government that supports them, most likely houses them and feeds them, and they want to see anarchy. I'm more worried about Liberals than I am Muslim extremists to tell you the truth. The last thing I want is to be stuck in an elevator with some douchey Liberal whining about racial issues....f'n Christ they are insane people. They are obsessed with race.
All I did was point out a parallel.

It's got nothing to do with race. Just a little bit of truth to keep your ego in check :cheers:

[Nick Young]

Stay butthurt Michael William Stormwolf, stay butthurt:cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

What are you talking about?? The refugees are going to kick us off the mountain? Are you on drugs?
That's what you're afraid of ultimately, yes.

Settle down you seem like one of those people that reacts with a bad temper to politics and religious discussions you'd see on tv :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

All I did was point out a parallel

It's got nothing to do with race.


But you're assuming that you're speaking for all Americans. Are you that dense that you don't realize that the United States is the country with the largest demographic of people from all over the world?? The majority of the country doesn't want these Syrians in because of the recent events with ISIS and in France. Why is it so hard for you to grasp this?

You've created this American/White boogeyman and you're failing miserably to create these so-called "parallels".

[imdaman99]

Damn, Stormwolf is such a badass name.

[CavaliersFTW]

WHAT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT MAN IT'S ABOUT OUR SAFETY WHAT DOES OUR PAST HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW YOUR LIBERAL MINDS ARE ON PEYOTE - said Patrick Ewingfoot in a heated debate with his tribesmen over the current situation of dangerous religious immigrats looking for sanctuary on his lands

[Akrazotile]

Nobody here took any land from any Indians.

Moreover, you know most people here are not even descended from frontier settlers, right? The ancestors of most modern Americans never met a single injun on US soil. You think Irish and Italian immigrants that showed up to Ellis Island in 1910 and settled in NY were pillaging Indian settlements when they got here?

Basically what you're saying is:

Hey, rember how early settlers 400 years ago displaced Indians and erradicated their culture??? Now you guys don't want that to happen to you, hahahahah hyprocites!

Is there any civilization on Earth that would want that to happen to them?


Like honestly... you should have thought this thread through a lil better.

[Akrazotile]

Damn, Stormwolf is such a badass name.

His real name is Throbbing Anus.

[CavaliersFTW]

Nobody here took any land from any Indians.

Moreover, you know most people here are not even descended from frontier settlers, right? The ancestors of most modern Americans never met a single injun on US soil.

Basically what you're saying is:

Hey, rember how early settlers 400 years ago displaced Indians and erradicated their culture??? Now you guys don't want that to happen to you, hahahahah hyprocites!

Is there any civilization on Earth that would want that to happen to them?


Like honestly... you should have thought this thread through a lil better.
I'm getting exactly the entertaining reactions I expected :lol

https://mytruesense.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/puppeteer.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

The Cavs losing 2 straight has hit this brotha hard.

[Akrazotile]

I'm getting exactly the entertaining reactions I expected :lol

https://mytruesense.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/puppeteer.jpg


Well, Im pretty sure you're getting a lesson in simple history and logic after making a bunk comparison, and meekly trying to save face.

But, you say tomato i'll say tomatto.

[Cactus-Sack]

This is the dumbest analogy ever, and I see it repeated ad nauseum. The pilgrims were COLONISTS not IMMIGRANTS you dumb fvcks. Did the injuns have borders? No. Did they have immigration laws? No. Well then I guess the pilgrims were'nt fvcking immigrants then. Easy way to spot that you're dealing with a moron

[AlphaWolf24]

Damn...CavaliersFTW is just on another level.....Dominating Mofos without them even knowing it.


I'm so hard right now!

[knickballer]

Eh the Colonists conquered the new world the same way Ancient Egypt conquered vast lands, the same way the Roman Empire conquered majority of the known world at the time, the same way Genghis Khan had practically Eurasia under his domination, Ottomans, etc.

It's ****ed up but it's a theme in human history. No one sheds a tear for the other victims of superpowers throughout history. So y'all are hypocrites.

**** outta here like you care about the native americans. Go eat your ****ing turkey and watch football

[CavaliersFTW]

This is the dumbest analogy ever, and I see it repeated ad nauseum. The pilgrims were COLONISTS not IMMIGRANTS you dumb fvcks. Did the injuns have borders? No. Did they have immigration laws? No. Well then I guess the pilgrims were'nt fvcking immigrants then. Easy way to spot that you're dealing with a moron
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

wow

im

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

wow

im

[CavaliersFTW]

Eh the Colonists conquered the new world the same way Ancient Egypt conquered vast lands, the same way the Roman Empire conquered majority of the known world at the time, the same way Genghis Khan had practically Eurasia under his domination, Ottomans, etc.

It's ****ed up but it's a theme in human history. No one sheds a tear for the other victims of superpowers throughout history. So y'all are hypocrites.

**** outta here like you care about the native americans. Go eat your ****ing turkey and watch football
You get it ^

Didn't say I gave a damn either. People getting up in arms that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy as if it implies I don't care about our current countries safety or w/e. Of course I do. I just understand this has been done before, it's how our current system exists in the first place :lol

[Akrazotile]

You get it ^

Didn't say I gave a damn either. People getting up in arms that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy as if it implies I don't care about our current countries safety or w/e. Of course I do. I just understand this has been done before, it's how our current system exists in the first place :lol


But there is none. You just don't even understand your own comparison, precluding you from grasping this.

[AlphaWolf24]

This is the dumbest analogy ever, and I see it repeated ad nauseum. The pilgrims were COLONISTS not IMMIGRANTS you dumb fvcks. Did the injuns have borders? No. Did they have immigration laws? No. Well then I guess the pilgrims were'nt fvcking immigrants then. Easy way to spot that you're dealing with a moron


this fool...

Pilgrims were the definition of Immigrants....

they came to a foreign land ...invaded and destroyed the Native culture ...

exact same thing people are complaining about now.

[CavaliersFTW]

Please take note of the bolded and underlined word.


In fact, nevermind, this doesn't need to go any further. Someone tag OP's toe and let's all move on.
coun

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'll never understand why these people go after the low-hanging fruit. America have the most diverse people in the world...racially and culturally.

Enough of the false equivalencies.

[Patrick Chewing]

So we should let the Syrians colonize us? We're just not following you.


Let's get racial here for a second cause I know you love that race bullshit. Aren't you black? Do you hate your life? Cause I wouldn't be complaining about ****ing pilgrims coming over here or Europeans colonizing shit.

This could be you today:

http://img.bulawayo24.com/articles/man-run-from-lion.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

So we should let the Syrians colonize us? We're just not following you.


Let's get racial here for a second cause I know you love that race bullshit. Aren't you black? Do you hate your life? Cause I wouldn't be complaining about ****ing pilgrims coming over here or Europeans colonizing shit.

This could be you today:

http://img.bulawayo24.com/articles/man-run-from-lion.jpg
I didn't say we "should do" anything. Look at you getting so emotional you're now leaping to conclusions :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

this fool...

Pilgrims were the definition of Immigrants....

they came to a foreign land ...invaded and destroyed the Native culture ...

exact same thing people are complaining about now.

:facepalm

Immigrants show up to live IN A COUNTRY. As in, be a part of its borders and population.

Pilgrims came in here to settle their own land. They did not move in to Iroquois camping grounds. If they moved into the same areas and became part of its governance and jurisdiction, that would have made them IMMIGRANTS.

The came here and SETTLED their own land. Cleared out trees and set up cabins and farms. They did not come here to live in any previously established country. The ones who came later, to live among these established colonies, were immigrants. The ones who came here first and SETTLED them originally were not immigrants.


This is very simple stuff. Don't understand all the failure to comprehend simple linguistic detail here.

[Patrick Chewing]

this fool...

Pilgrims were the definition of Immigrants....

they came to a foreign land ...invaded and destroyed the Native culture ...

exact same thing people are complaining about now.


But this nation is full of immigrants both past and present. So this thread just doesn't make any sense. People are coming in or becoming citizens right now as we speak. I mean, how some of you saw any sort of relevance in OP's analogy is beyond me.

[dude77]

This could be you today:

http://img.bulawayo24.com/articles/man-run-from-lion.jpg

:oldlol:

[Cactus-Sack]

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

wow

im

[Derka]

Watching cowardly isolationist assholes get hoisted on their own petard start running towards semantics to defend their stupidity. Perfect. :oldlol:

[Cactus-Sack]

this fool...

Pilgrims were the definition of Immigrants....

they came to a foreign land ...invaded and destroyed the Native culture ...

exact same thing people are complaining about now.
Yeah, except that that's not what the definition of immigrant is...... are all your people as dumb as you? No wonder they got blown the fvck out by a bunch of effeminate britts

[9erempiree]

So sad to see people comment on how bad the settlers were for taking over America. There is no doubt in my mind that if they didn't take set foot in America, America will be a 3rd world country and this great land would be gone to waste.

How do I know this? Just look at the Native Americans today who are given land to build casinos. They have all this casino money and can't find ways to build on that. They are not educated enough.

Fast forward to 2015 and people in America feel sympathy for them. Guess what? If we didn't colonize this land, we wouldn't be living in this great land.

I don't expect and shouldn't expect this argument from our fellow Americans.

[Cactus-Sack]

Watching cowardly isolationist assholes get hoisted on their own petard start running towards semantics to defend their stupidity. Perfect. :oldlol:
Watching pvssy information phobic leftists butcher the English language because they don't have any logical points to make so result to emotional and reactionary nonsense and ad hols



:yaohappy:

[CavaliersFTW]

:facepalm

Immigrants show up to live IN A COUNTRY. As in, be a part of its borders and population.

Pilgrims came in here to settle their own land. They did not move in to Iroquois camping grounds. If they moved into the same areas and became part of its governance and jurisdiction, that would have made them IMMIGRANTS.

The came here and SETTLED their own land. Cleared out trees and set up cabins and farms. They did not come here to live in any previously established country. The ones who came later, to live among these established colonies, were immigrants. The ones who came here first and SETTLED them originally were not immigrants.


This is very simple stuff. Don't understand all the failure to comprehend simple linguistic detail here.
Want to take it up with websites like these?

http://immigrationtounitedstates.org/548-history-of-immigration-1620-1783.html

"immigrationtounitedstates.org" - describes the pilgrims as immigrants

:oldlol:

http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/everyday/041103.html

It's used everywhere. Either they're all wrong, and you're right. Or they're all right, and you're wrong.

Hmmm. :banana:

[Cactus-Sack]

So sad to see people comment on how bad the settlers were for taking over America. There is no doubt in my mind that if they didn't take set foot in America, America will be a 3rd world country and this great land would be gone to waste.

How do I know this? Just look at the Native Americans today who are given land to build casinos. They have all this casino money and can't find ways to build on that. They are not educated enough.

Fast forward to 2015 and people in America feel sympathy for them. Guess what? If we didn't colonize this land, we wouldn't be living in this great land.

I don't expect and shouldn't expect this argument from our fellow Americans.

They were a shit culture 600 years ago too. It's funny how leftists love Muslims and Indians despite both being incredibly violent, oppressive, patriarchal cultures... Everything they claim to hate about modern America!

[Patrick Chewing]

What the OP and every mongrel that agrees with him fails to realize, is that it is our own intelligence agencies that are advising us not to take in these refugees. If you cannot take the advice of those who are paid and elected to deal with the country's safety, then you are asking for the destruction of this nation. So bottom line, let's get real, you guys have no idea what you're talking about.

Fools.

[CavaliersFTW]

Those are tribes you stupid fvck. You literally posted the definition of immigrant and still don't understand that colonists don't fit the definition
Look at you belittling those nations.

Cherokee Nation. Shawnee Nation. etc. They wouldn't just call themselves "tribes", they weren't a little community of natives surrounding a fire they had expansive boundaries, and their own politics and law was practiced within those boundaries. - They were, by definition, countries. Just ones that got zero understanding and respect and were shit on by the european pilgrim immigrants who wanted land, politics, and thus a country of their own.

[CavaliersFTW]

Where did those "borders" come from? How did they get there?

Didn't these tribes slaughter other tribes and conquer land from other tribes? So how can they complain when someone else comes in and conquers it from them?

Why are these Indians being hypocrites yo? :confusedshrug:
Didn't say they weren't. I'm just amused with the parallel. A few posters here are shitting their pants over it jumping to assumptions, some are even trying to deny it and getting tangled up in word play.

It's a very obvious parallel. I didn't suggest that we should behave a certain way as a result, or be apologetic, or anything like that but that's what people are blowing their tops over.

[NumberSix]

such as any of these:
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/west/indi.jpg
Where did those "borders" come from? How did they get there?

Didn't these tribes slaughter other tribes and conquer land from other tribes? So how can they complain when someone else comes in and conquers it from them?

Why are these Indians being hypocrites yo? :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Where did those "borders" come from? How did they get there?

Didn't these tribes slaughter other tribes and conquer land from other tribes? So how can they complain when someone else comes in and conquers it from them?

Why are these Indians being hypocrites yo? :confusedshrug:
:wtf: how'd my response to this get above your post?

anywho, again: Didn't say they weren't. I'm just amused with the parallel. A few posters here are shitting their pants over it jumping to assumptions, some are even trying to deny it and getting tangled up in word play.

It's a very obvious parallel. I didn't suggest that we should behave a certain way as a result, or be apologetic, or anything like that but that's what people are blowing their tops over.

[Derka]

Watching pvssy information phobic leftists butcher the English language because they don't have any logical points to make so result to emotional and reactionary nonsense and ad hols



:yaohappy:
There there, sweetheart. It'll be okay :lol

[Akrazotile]

Look at you belittling those nations.

Cherokee Nation. Shawnee Nation. etc. They wouldn't just call themselves "tribes", they weren't a little community of natives surrounding a fire they had expansive boundaries, and their own politics and law was practiced within those boundaries. - They were, by definition, countries. Just ones that got zero understanding and respect and were shit on by the european pilgrim immigrants who wanted land, politics, and thus a country of their own.


Except settlers did not come here to be a part of "Cherokee Nation" and live within those boundaries. They came to settle their own part of the vast continental landscape, much of which was completely undeveloped, even by natives.

And it's moot in any case, because nobody alive today is obligated to give a shit.

[CavaliersFTW]

Watching pvssy information phobic leftists butcher the English language because they don't have any logical points to make so result to emotional and reactionary nonsense and ad hols



:yaohappy:
You summed up your own post

[AlphaWolf24]

:facepalm

Immigrants show up to live IN A COUNTRY. As in, be a part of its borders and population.

Pilgrims came in here to settle their own land. They did not move in to Iroquois camping grounds. If they moved into the same areas and became part of its governance and jurisdiction, that would have made them IMMIGRANTS.

The came here and SETTLED their own land. Cleared out trees and set up cabins and farms. They did not come here to live in any previously established country. The ones who came later, to live among these established colonies, were immigrants. The ones who came here first and SETTLED them originally were not immigrants.


This is very simple stuff. Don't understand all the failure to comprehend simple linguistic detail here.


- Indians lived on the land ( that the Pilgrims invaded) for 10,000's years.

- slowly but surely the Pilgrims took over more and more land....and destroyed more and more culture.

- I repeat..the Indians lived on that land and there own customs and culture for over 10,000 years!

- a Pilgrim and an Imigrant are the same F'ing thing....except a Pilgrim claims religious laws and reasoning behind their destruction!!


http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/ows_138428732659891.jpg

http://40.media.tumblr.com/e8b3d301614b4e8b8bf922544da121dd/tumblr_mr5aba3waO1qapk2qo1_500.jpg


infact....looking back at History....Both were religious zealots who used Violence....

Pilgrims = OG Muslims.....mindblown gif

[CavaliersFTW]

Except settlers did not come here to be a part of "Cherokee Nation" and live within those boundaries. They came to settle their own part of the vast continental landscape, much of which was completely undeveloped, even by natives.

And it's moot in any case, because nobody alive today is obligated to give a shit.
wtf, undeveloped? What does that have to do with the validity of a boundary.

Should Mexicans looking to start-a-new be allowed to settle in large tracts of undeveloped United States land?

Stop doing logical gymnastics. The parallel I made is absolutely there. I never implied we should do anything different, I just pointed it out because it is definitely there and thus is sort of amusing to see people's reactions to it once pointed out.

Stop trying to argue that it isn't there, you're making yourself look bad

[Patrick Chewing]

http://40.media.tumblr.com/e8b3d301614b4e8b8bf922544da121dd/tumblr_mr5aba3waO1qapk2qo1_500.jpg





You couldn't find an actual picture :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

- Indians lived on the land ( that the Pilgrims invaded) for 10,000's years.

- slowly but surely the Pilgrims took over more and more land....and destroyed more and more culture.

- I repeat..the Indians lived on that land and there own customs and culture for over 10,000 years!

- a Pilgrim and an Imigrant are the same F'ing thing....except a Pilgrim claims religious laws and reasoning behind their destruction!!


infact....looking back at History....Both were religious zealots who used Violence....

Pilgrims = OG Muslims.....mindblown gif


Brah.

If a Mongol army raided and conquered some territory and replaced it with their own shit... they're conquerors, not immigrants. If the Vikings settle land on Greenland adjacent to the land some Inuits on are... they're settlers, not immigrants.

If you lived in Germany in 1200 and fled to Poland because of antisemitism, and you lived AMONG a previously established country and culture and lived and worked within those boundaries... you're an immigrant. If you go move to China today, you're an immigrant. If someone moves here from India today, they're an immigrant.

Pilgrims weren't immigrants. They were settlers. They weren't here to live in the Red Man's country. They were here to settle undeveloped land. Doesn't matter if any of the Indians here wanted that land for themselves. People didn't leave England to migrate to "Cherokee Country." They were settlers.

It's really simple.

[Akrazotile]

Should Mexicans looking to start-a-new be allowed to settle in large tracts of undeveloped United States land?




If a bunch showed up to do that and they DIDNT use our currency, and they DIDNT use our roads and they DIDNT use any of our services, and strictly moved to that land because they were following some deer they were hunting or something, then no, I would NOT call them immigrants. I'd call them nomads or whatever would be most applicable. But obviously this is not the case currently, which is why anyone who moves here today is considered an immigrant. Because they are coming purposefully to live in the United States.

Immigrating is consciously moving to a specific jurisdiction to live among it.

[knickballer]

The way I see it is that immigrants ask for permission to the host country in living in that country and usually adopt the host countries values and traditions.

Settlers kind of just set up shop and don't ask for permission. They set up their own communities and retain their own culture. Kinda like Roman expansion, spreading of Greek culture in ancient times, Steppe tribes settling in the danube, French colonies, Turkic tribes settling around Eurasia, etc.

That being said I think this argument is ****ing pointless as the two are in completely different time periods and a different world. You just can't compare the two.

[AlphaWolf24]

So we should let the Syrians colonize us? We're just not following you.


Let's get racial here for a second cause I know you love that race bullshit. Aren't you black? Do you hate your life? Cause I wouldn't be complaining about ****ing pilgrims coming over here or Europeans colonizing shit.

This could be you today:

http://img.bulawayo24.com/articles/man-run-from-lion.jpg



Pilgrims are Lucky the Natives taught they how to survive...

white folks are Lucky to have so many different people from different backgrounds around them....with different aesthetics...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/hillbillies.jpg

they would have kept inbreeding....and kept making sh!tty music....

[Akrazotile]

Pilgrims are Lucky the Natives taught they how to survive...

white folks are Lucky to have so many different people from different backgrounds around them....with different aesthetics...


they would have kept inbreeding....and kept making sh!tty music....


Hey btw, are you related to the guy in the article?

I noticed you have the same last name, and your avy title says "bringer of rain" which I assume means you do a mean ass rain dance.


*pats hand over mouth* OBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO!!!!!!!

[NumberSix]

I'm actually very sympathetic to the argument of Mexicans saying they have ancestry native to Arizona or Texas or whatever. That's a perfectly legitimate point. I can't think of a lot of great reasons to say somebody has the authority to tell a person that they can't live on land that they are native or at least partially native to.

The only reason I can think of is cases where the numbers are just not practical. For example, people with ancestry from the British Isles. There are probably around 200 million people across the world with full or partial British/Irish ancestry. They're small islands. They obviously can't all have an automatic right to move there whenever the please.

[Akrazotile]

I'm actually very sympathetic to the argument of Mexicans saying they have ancestry native to Arizona or Texas or whatever. That's a perfectly legitimate point. I can't think of a lot of great reasons to say somebody has the authority to tell a person that they can't live on land that they are native or at least partially native to.

The only reason I can think of is cases where the numbers are just not practical. For example, people with ancestry from the British Isles. There are probably around 200 million people across the world with full or partial British/Irish ancestry. They're small islands. They obviously can't all have an automatic right to move there whenever the please.


I don't think anyone does that here, do they? I'm pretty sure there are even reservations out there just for natives. Which natives aren't even required to live on, but can if they choose. And any mixed/hispanic peoples that were there from the jump haven't been kicked out.

Obviously if someone is coming TO arizona, FROM mexico... they aren't... native... to Arizona...

[AlphaWolf24]

Hey btw, are you related to the guy in the article?

I noticed you have the same last name, and your avy title says "bringer of rain" which I assume means you do a mean ass rain dance.


*pats hand over mouth* OBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO!!!!!!!


Maybe?....I'm 1/2 Native American ....:confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

Maybe?....I'm 1/2 Native American ....:confusedshrug:


Word. That's pretty chill.

Native culture is pretty dope. I absolutely loved downtown Santa Fe, because it's infused with the whole motif and there's some really cool stuff to see.

Obviously I thought OP's post and analogy were pure shit, but I still think American Indian culture is very interesting and in many ways insp-i-rational.

[AlphaWolf24]

Word. That's pretty chill.

Native culture is pretty dope. I absolutely loved downtown Santa Fe, because it's infused with the whole motif and there's some really cool stuff to see.

Obviously I thought OP's post and analogy were pure shit, but I still think American Indian culture is very interesting and in many ways insp-i-rational.


Yeah Downtown Sante Fe is very cool , I haven't been there in over 10 years but the design and focus on all the Art and History is dope

me personally ..I do not "practice" or grew up with " Native American" culture/customs (whatever that is)

I grew up as a typical city/large suburb latch key American kid....It was all about Shoes and Rims.....not so much killing Bears.

[Akrazotile]

Yeah Downtown Sante Fe is very cool , I haven't been there in over 10 years but the design and focus on all the Art and History is dope

me personally ..I do not "practice" or grew up with " Native American" culture/customs (whatever that is)

I grew up as a typical city/large suburb latch key American kid....It was all about Shoes and Rims.....not so much killing Bears.


Probably for the best. A lot of people act like it was all peaches and cream for the natives before whitey showed up. But those dudes practiced human sacrifice, they'd send kids out to the woods for two weeks and they'd have to mutilate themselves before coming back and being pronounced an adult and shit. They enslaved other tribes, scalped them, raped them. Obviously there were redeeming cultural ideas and values as well, but people HEAVILY idealize and romanticize how life was for the natives before the white man showed up, simply to fit a narrative of good vs bad.

Actually it's a thousand times easier to be alive today in a white society no matter what race you are, than to have been living in the time of the Red Man.

[sundizz]

People are inherently greedy. They always want more and think there is always something better.

There is not more to the story than this. We justify everything based on who we identify with.

It is why we are the most dominant species on Earth. Our endless appetite for better makes us the problem solvers we are today.

Any one of us can easily be corrupted by power and our beliefs. Even though we know this we choose to dwell in the past instead of progress our future. We are all conservatives afraid of global change. It is in our DNA to protect that which is current...until something better comes along and forces that change.

[Lebron23]

Yeah Downtown Sante Fe is very cool , I haven't been there in over 10 years but the design and focus on all the Art and History is dope

me personally ..I do not "practice" or grew up with " Native American" culture/customs (whatever that is)

I grew up as a typical city/large suburb latch key American kid....It was all about Shoes and Rims.....not so much killing Bears.

I thought you were Mexican.

[CavaliersFTW]

Probably for the best. A lot of people act like it was all peaches and cream for the natives before whitey showed up. But those dudes practiced human sacrifice, they'd send kids out to the woods for two weeks and they'd have to mutilate themselves before coming back and being pronounced an adult and shit. They enslaved other tribes, scalped them, raped them. Obviously there were redeeming cultural ideas and values as well, but people HEAVILY idealize and romanticize how life was for the natives before the white man showed up, simply to fit a narrative of good vs bad.

Actually it's a thousand times easier to be alive today in a white society no matter what race you are, than to have been living in the time of the Red Man.
Wow, preaching to a person who's half native american how savage you believe his ancestors were.

You must be a joy to be around :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Wow, preaching to a person who's half native american how savage you believe his ancestors were.

You must be a joy to be around :oldlol:


:biggums:

Everyone was savage in those days. Puritans burned witches at the stake. In Europe and Asia all sorts of wild torture shit took place. Africa and the Middle East... well, pretty much same stuff as today.

The point was that the white man did not ruin some native paradise as the fable often goes, which is why I was pointing about the atrocities in that culture. And why can I not have that discussion with someone who is half native american? Like.... what???


Bro. Come on. Hand down, man down. You're better than this.

[CavaliersFTW]

:biggums:

Everyone was savage in those days. Puritans burned witches at the stake. In Europe and Asia all sorts of wild torture shit took place. Africa and the Middle East... well, pretty much same stuff as today.

The point was that the white man did not ruin some native paradise as the fable often goes, which is why I was pointing about the atrocities in that culture. And why can I not have that discussion with someone who is half native american? Like.... what???


Bro. Come on. Hand down, man down. You're better than this.
White guy living in LA talking to a half native american:

*Paraphrased: "Yeah man, your great grandparents were real savage beasts your better off now"

....*someone points out how stupid that sounds*

- "bro it's okay so is everyone's from all over the world"

Nobody likes to have serious discussions like this. You want to talk about ancestors ****ing up, talk about your own and only your own and do it light heartedly. This isn't your stand up night at some slum comedy club in LA. Target your own identifiable shortcomings, if it breaks the ice and someone response well then attempt to bring up shortcomings you perceive to be connected to them for humor or w/e reason. This is basic conversation shit, heck you went to acting school didn't you? What'd you learn about stand up.

White comedian comes up to mic and points out a black audience member. "Hey let me tell you something about your black ancestors. They were legit **** ups."


...awkward silence.

"what's everyone so mad about? Everyone's ancestors were **** ups"

You'd be a guy nobody wants to be around if you're like this in real life.

[Akrazotile]

White guy living in LA talking to a half native american:

*Paraphrased: "Yeah man, your great grandparents were real savage beasts your better off now"

....*someone points out how stupid that sounds*

- "bro it's okay so is everyone's from all over the world"

Nobody likes to have serious discussions like this. You want to talk about ancestors ****ing up, talk about your own and only your own and do it light heartedly. This isn't your stand up night at some slum comedy club in LA. Target your own identifiable shortcomings, if it breaks the ice and someone response well then attempt to bring up shortcomings you perceive to be connected to them for humor or w/e reason. This is basic conversation shit, heck you went to acting school didn't you? What'd you learn about stand up.

White comedian comes up to mic and points out a black audience member. "Hey let me tell you something about your black ancestors. They were legit **** ups."


...awkward silence.

"what's everyone so mad about? Everyone's ancestors were **** ups"

You'd be a guy nobody wants to be around if you're like this in real life.


Epic meltdown, wowwee :roll:

Edit: the salt from a failed thread is REAL :oldlol:

[Cactus-Sack]

Yeah, because ignoring the clearly intended message to bitch about semantics with someone is really taking you places.
The opening post was completely anti-thetical to the point he was trying to make and that was pointed out by several posters before me, so I felt no need to address it.

What exactly are your posts accomplishing? Do you not see how silly it is to make a meaningless post, criticising someone else for what yo believe is a meaningless post?

You're quickly descending into DeucesWallace level now.

[CavaliersFTW]

Epic meltdown, wowwee :roll:
No, life advice, helping you out :cheers:

[ALBballer]

Native Americans lost their land, were almost exterminated, were outbred by the Europeans and so forth. If anything, the pictures in the OP prove the opposite of the point he is trying to make.

Regardless this whole "OMG we iz allz 1mmigrant so hypocrIT3 to be anti-1mmigrant" is an asinine argument. Nation states didn't exist for the most part and the concept of nation laws and boundaries weren't as well defined. Native Americans (and when I saw native americans it encompasses differents tribes of different groups and cultures) were conquered by a more powerful group. Sure it's tragedy looking back through the white guilt lens but native american tribes did the same to each other and were in constant warfare with one another.

But don't worry brown people will have their revenge. Muslims taking over Europe and Mexicans taking over Southwest/Western America. Fortunately for us Americans mexicans are a group that holds no real hostility and can easily be assimilated. As for Europe it was good knowing you.

[poido123]

Did OP forget that he is actually white and made point of a white stereotype?

:hammerhead:



Getting up out of bed must be a hard task for him.


The affects of his memory loss seems to have prevented him from seeing how pasty white his ass is as seen here:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F6GTarD9PcU/VAQbI3K_gqI/AAAAAAAAFYw/nIvyw5_9rJ0/s800/me%2520shooting2.gif





Do I hear, pasty white boy, Goliath complex, PC liberal Warrior Cavs FTW?

[CavaliersFTW]

Did OP forget that he is actually white and made point of a white stereotype?

:hammerhead:



Getting up out of bed must be a hard task for him.


The affects of his memory loss seems to have prevented him from seeing how pasty white his ass is as seen here:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F6GTarD9PcU/VAQbI3K_gqI/AAAAAAAAFYw/nIvyw5_9rJ0/s800/me%2520shooting2.gif





Do I hear, pasty white boy, Goliath complex, PC liberal Warrior Cavs FTW?
Everybody here knows I'm white, what's your point?

I can't point out amusing parallels because I'm white?

[SaltyMeatballs]

He's absolutely right

[SaltyMeatballs]

Did OP forget that he is actually white and made point of a white stereotype?

:hammerhead:



Getting up out of bed must be a hard task for him.


The affects of his memory loss seems to have prevented him from seeing how pasty white his ass is as seen here:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F6GTarD9PcU/VAQbI3K_gqI/AAAAAAAAFYw/nIvyw5_9rJ0/s800/me%2520shooting2.gif





Do I hear, pasty white boy, Goliath complex, PC liberal Warrior Cavs FTW?
You're white too.... :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

I've also been quite clear - I'm not saying people's reactions or defensive stance when it comes to keeping this country safe is wrong. I've not commented on the actual politics of screening immigration or preventing it, or whatever.

I've made zero comments on any of that.

I've simply pointed out a parallel. Because I thought it was entertaining knowing it'd elicit some sort of reaction. And through the parallel people are assuming all these political stances about me. Bunch of nitwits on here on a witch hunt I swear.

The parallel I drew is a legitimate parallel. It is not a representation of my political stance. It's an observation, not a judgement. Everyone settle down :lol

[Akrazotile]

I've also been quite clear - I'm not saying people's reactions or defensive stance when it comes to keeping this country safe is wrong. I've not commented on the actual politics of screening immigration or preventing it, or whatever.

I've made zero comments on any of that.

I've simply pointed out a parallel. Because I thought it was entertaining knowing it'd elicit some sort of reaction. And through the parallel people are assuming all these political stances about me. Bunch of nitwits on here on a witch hunt I swear.

The parallel I drew is a legitimate parallel. It is not a representation of my political stance. It's an observation, not a judgement. Everyone settle down :lol


Actually you were going on about how it's some massive hypocrisy, when it simply is no such thing at all.

Please sit down. Your attention wh0ring time is up.

[CavaliersFTW]

Actually you were going on about how it's some massive hypocrisy, when it simply is no such thing at all.

Please sit down. Your attention wh0ring time is up.
Saying it's hypocrisy wasn't a judgement call, it was just part of the observation. Knowing the parallel, and seeing how people are averse to the same concept that got this country where it is today after the script has been flipped.

If I was to pass judgement i'd have to conclude whether I believed it was right or wrong to be hypocritical in such a situation.

If you want my opinion on it, I don't think it is inherently wrong I think it is the natural cautious reaction of things. It's like I stated earlier in the thread, a who's king of the mountain situation.

We came to this country. Eventually changed then completely usurped the powers that be before us - and violently might I add. And now, out of fear, we do not wish the same fate of changes, potential violence, etc to happen to us through similarly religiously driven immigrants that don't fully embrace our current ideals. That's a legitimate fear. We should legitimately protect our present from danger (violence, etc) and be careful how we ingratiate others who seem to not fully share our current fundamental laws such as in this case, the freedom of speech and all the criticisms and teasing that can come with it.

But we should also be mindful of the past and be aware that this country as it is would never exist without immigration. If we are to be fully honest with ourselves, we would be going against our own beliefs in religious freedom if we totally denied groups based on religion.

I don't have all the answers. But I never expressed my opinions earlier in this thread. You witch hunting political nut jobs just assumed them all. :hammerhead:

[Akrazotile]

Saying it's hypocrisy wasn't a judgement call, it was just part of the observation. Knowing the parallel, and seeing how people are averse to the same concept that got this country where it is today after the script has been flipped.

If I was to pass judgement i'd have to conclude whether I believed it was right or wrong to be hypocritical in such a situation.

If you want my opinion on it, I don't think it is inherently wrong I think it is the natural cautious reaction of things. It's like I stated earlier in the thread, a who's king of the mountain situation.

We came to this country. Eventually changed then completely usurped the powers that be before us - and violently might I add. And now, out of fear, we do not wish the same fate of changes, potential violence, etc to happen to us through similarly religiously driven immigrants that don't fully embrace our current ideals. That's a legitimate fear. We should legitimately protect our present from danger (violence, etc) and be careful how we ingratiate others who seem to not fully share our current fundamental laws such as in this case, the freedom of speech and all the criticisms and teasing that can come with it.

But we should also be mindful of the past and be aware that this country as it is would never exist without immigration. If we are to be fully honest with ourselves, we would be going against our own beliefs in religious freedom if we totally denied groups based on religion.

I don't have all the answers. But I never expressed my opinions earlier in this thread. You witch hunting political nut jobs just assumed them all. :hammerhead:

I think you are confusing the definition of the word "hypocrisy" with the commonly (mis)applied definition of the word "irony."

Technically an irony is when you expect one thing to happen, and the opposite happens. But most people use the term for anything that's a funny or unusual coincidence or when things come "full circle."

The fact that Americans who are descended from immigrants to this land are now trying to keep out new waves of immigrants is an 'irony' in the colloquial use of the word. But we weren't the ones who showed up here from somewhere else, we were born here. So it's not a hypocrisy.

[GIF REACTION]

You soul sucking lefts downplay race and it's importance, then you go around and try this guilt-tripping bullshit? Are you the same type that thinks that this current generation should feel remorse for slavery? This argument might have a little more weight if these people weren't benefiting from everything white Anglo-European western civilization has given us. Or maybe living in disease and isolation was better? You revisionist cucks.

[warriorfan]

You soul sucking lefts downplay race and it's importance, then you go around and try this guilt-tripping bullshit? Are you the same type that thinks that this current generation should feel remorse for slavery? This argument might have a little more weight if these people weren't benefiting from everything white Anglo-European western civilization has given us. Or maybe living in disease and isolation was better? You revisionist cucks.

meltdown

[AlphaWolf24]

I thought you were Mexican.


nope....I'm Hienz 57 ...( American term for being mixed with all sorts of stuff)

Mostly Native American though.....everyone was F'ing everyone.....I'm a true American.

[Proctor]

Did OP forget that he is actually white and made point of a white stereotype?

:hammerhead:



Getting up out of bed must be a hard task for him.


The affects of his memory loss seems to have prevented him from seeing how pasty white his ass is as seen here:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F6GTarD9PcU/VAQbI3K_gqI/AAAAAAAAFYw/nIvyw5_9rJ0/s800/me%2520shooting2.gif





Do I hear, pasty white boy, Goliath complex, PC liberal Warrior Cavs FTW?
Lol, leave it to someone as goofy as you to try to make fun of somebody when we have all already seen you bro. :roll:

You are about as intimidating as a flag pole. No pickles or mustard, please.

[poido123]

Lol, leave it to someone as goofy as you to try to make fun of somebody when we have all already seen you bro. :roll:

You are about as intimidating as a flag pole. No pickles or mustard, please.



No offense, but your post here barely made a blip on my radar...



What does the bolded even mean? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:

[DeuceWallaces]

Native Americans lost their land, were almost exterminated, were outbred by the Europeans and so forth. If anything, the pictures in the OP prove the opposite of the point he is trying to make.

Regardless this whole "OMG we iz allz 1mmigrant so hypocrIT3 to be anti-1mmigrant" is an asinine argument. Nation states didn't exist for the most part and the concept of nation laws and boundaries weren't as well defined. Native Americans (and when I saw native americans it encompasses differents tribes of different groups and cultures) were conquered by a more powerful group. Sure it's tragedy looking back through the white guilt lens but native american tribes did the same to each other and were in constant warfare with one another.

But don't worry brown people will have their revenge. Muslims taking over Europe and Mexicans taking over Southwest/Western America. Fortunately for us Americans mexicans are a group that holds no real hostility and can easily be assimilated. As for Europe it was good knowing you.

They're not being assimilated and they've swung the past two elections, and likely the next one too.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You ghuys are ghay

[iamgine]

Well the difference is if the Indians didn't let them in, the Europeans would just conquer anyways and then wiped out the Indians. It's a good thing they somewhat welcomed the Europeans because at least now Indians are allowed to be citizens and even enjoyed some benefits.

Things are not so with the Syrians. Syrians have no power to conquer anything. They're basically relying on mercy.

[dunksby]

ISH resident rednecks taking them losses left and right :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn, Stormwolf is such a badass name.

Sturmwolf, German version.. I like it :pimp: