Curry's first 13 games vs. MJ's most efficient months

[3ball]

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Jordan 1991 (25 games) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#440-464-sum:pgl_basic): 32.6 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 tov.. 2.7 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 56.7 fg.. 62.6 ts.. 130 ortg
Curry. 2016 (25 games): 32.5 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.7 tov.. 2.2 spg.. 0.1 bpg.. 51.7 fg.. 68.8 ts.. 125 ortg


Jordan 1988 (19 games) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#209-227-sum:pgl_basic): 35.1 ppg.. 5.5 rpg.. 6.7 apg.. 3.8 spg.. 1.9 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 61.9 ts.. 128 ortg
Curry. 2016 (19 games): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg




M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (13 games): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


January 1988 was greater for MJ in every category - this includes nearly twice as many steals and 10 times the blocks... As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:


"He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/
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[SouBeachTalents]

Must suck to be unable to enjoy basketball since 1998

[SpecialQue]

Must suck to be unable to enjoy basketball since 1998

This.

At this point this is just sad. Not funny, not anger-inducing, just sad.

[IGOTGAME]

I'll tell you one thing. Curry is a better offensive player than Jordan. Game has changed old man.

[3ball]

Must suck to be unable to enjoy basketball since 1998
Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan.

[Quickening]

MJ best efg% was in 89-90 at 55% on 33.6ppg... Curry this season so far is shooting 64% efg on 34.2 ppg.

Curry is a better scorer so far this season than MJ ever was...

[Kawhi]

I'll tell you one thing. Curry is a better offensive player than Jordan. Game has changed old man.
FOH.

[lilteapot]

3ball is irate that Curry is more unguardable than Michael Whoredan

[sdot_thadon]

Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan.
Yeah especially once you remove the goat shooting ability.

Must suck to be unable to enjoy basketball since 1998
Hell yeah.

[Beastmode88]

Must suck to be unable to enjoy basketball since 1998

Pretty much this.

[3ball]

MJ best efg% was in 89-90 at 55%.. Curry this season so far is shooting 64% efg


Efg doesn't matter because Curry's is boosted by 3-pointers.

MJ has much higher points-per-possession, so he's the more efficient scorer.





Curry is a better scorer so far this season than MJ ever was...


:rolleyes:

Let me know when Curry has more than 1 career 40 point playoff game.... MJ has 38, which is #1 all-time (1 every 5 playoff games)...

The #2 guy only has 20, or half of MJ's total.. Curry can never match MJ on either end of the floor

[feyki]

MJ best efg% was in 89-90 at 55% on 33.6ppg... Curry this season so far is shooting 64% efg on 34.2 ppg.

Curry is a better scorer so far this season than MJ ever was...

:rockon:

Curry has goat scoring at now .

MJ's best seasons ( 87 and 88 ) ;

88 Jordan 100 poss - 43.6 pts , %60.3 TS

87 Jordan 100 poss - 46.4 pts , %56.2 TS

Curry at now ;

46.1 pts , %69.2 TS .

If Curry keep his level at end of season , He steal goat scoring season from 2006 Kobe .

[fragokota]

3ball, you're one sad insecure m'fcker....

[sd3035]

3ball is fuming mad that Curry is better offensively in today's tough D era than Michael Ordan was during the matador defense era of the late 80s

[dankok8]

How about Adrian Dantley?

Nov 1979: 32.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 2.8 apg on 65.3 %FG/70.4 %TS

Feb 1981: 31.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.8 apg on 58.9 %FG/64.6 %TS

Jan 1982: 33.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 5.1 apg on 61.6 %FG/66.2 %TS

Apr 1982: 32.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.4 apg on 67.5 %FG/71.2 %TS

[AlphaWolf24]

Weak D 80's....and Watered down 90's...might as well show Wilt Chamberlain dominating rec league talent.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

15 years from now, Curry will be considered the GOAT and Jordan will be a mere afterthought.

[3ball]

How about Adrian Dantley?

Nov 1979: 32.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 2.8 apg on 65.3 %FG/70.4 %TS

Feb 1981: 31.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.8 apg on 58.9 %FG/64.6 %TS

Jan 1982: 33.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 5.1 apg on 61.6 %FG/66.2 %TS

Apr 1982: 32.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.4 apg on 67.5 %FG/71.2 %TS


Not enough love - on ALL TWO'S you lames

Curry overrated AF

[ShawkFactory]

Not enough love - on ALL TWO'S you lames

Curry overrated AF
Poor. Fvcking. Guy


:(

[3ball]

Poor. Fvcking. Guy

:(


Seriously - take away the 3-point line from today's game - do you think everyone is still drooling over Curry???... Curry would be an afterthought.. He'd still be a good player, but nowhere near what he is now (the best player in the game).

In the 70's, half of Curry's shots would morph from the highest efficiency shot in the game (a Curry 3-pointer at 44%), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game (a long two at 44%).

That means he'd be materially worse in eras that didn't have a 3-point line - period... I'm comfortable with these facts... But they seem to be getting under your skin.

[sd3035]

Curry has easily surpassed Jordan offensively and this 3ball dude is shook is hell

:roll:

[3ball]

Curry has easily surpassed Jordan offensively and this 3ball dude is shook is hell

:roll:
:yaohappy: .... MJ didn't need the 3-point line to average 30+

[Funktion]

Curry vs MJ will always be apples to oranges.

Bron vs MJ is a better debate. Would MJ thrive defensively in this era? Would MJ be more dominant in a modern touch foul NBA over the defenses he had to overcome? Would Lebron be able to put up big numbers vs defenses in the 80s?

[3ball]

Per 100 Possession stats in playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


Why keep reposting these same stats?




Because I'm blown away by them - the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th guys are between 32 and 36 points (per 100)...

Based on that, you'd think the #1 guy would be at like 37, or 38.... But no... forty-****ing-three....... Way above the pack... On equal or better efficiency.. :bowdown:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif


The stats show MJ did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency.. So imagine Lebron and Kobe DOING MORE - that's MJ.
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[MP.Trey]

Curry getting those MJ comparisons. :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

Seriously - take away the 3-point line from today's game - do you think everyone is still drooling over Curry???... Curry would be an afterthought.. He'd still be a good player, but nowhere near what he is now (the best player in the game).

In the 70's, half of Curry's shots would morph from the highest efficiency shot in the game (a Curry 3-pointer at 44%), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game (a long two at 44%).

That means he'd be materially worse in eras that didn't have a 3-point line - period... I'm comfortable with these facts... But they seem to be getting under your skin.
Literally proving my point :lol

[sd3035]

:yaohappy: .... MJ didn't need the 3-point line to average 30+


MJ had the three point line, he was just a terrible outside shooter

[3ball]

MJ had the three point line, he was just a terrible outside shooter


MJ averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers with good efficiency

Again, MJ didn't need the 3-point line to average 30+

Also, within those 37 ppg, MJ made more 2-point jumpshots than anyone in the league.. He's one of the best 2-point jumpshooters of all time.
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[3ball]

Literally proving my point :lol
you had no point

[3ball]

Weak D 80's....and Watered down 90's...might as well show Wilt Chamberlain dominating rec league talent.
That's a shallow understanding of the changes on offense and defense over the years..

We have a stat that measures how hard it is to score.. It's called league-wide offensive rating (ORtg) and it's been stable for 30 years.. It's ranged between 105 and 108 since 1980, excluding a brief downswing from 1998-2004.. The minor shifts within that 105-108 range are due to style of play differences between the eras that affect inputs to the ORtg calculation, such as offensive rebounding rate and FT rate.

30 years of stable ORtg proves the difficulty of scoring hasn't changed, and the changes in offensive strategy (spacing) and defensive strategy (extra rotations) are offsetting - you either have extra rotations required by spacing and defensive 3 seconds (today's game), or the rotations aren't necessary because there is no spacing or defensive 3 seconds (previous eras).

[3ball]

Jordan 1988 (19 gm) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#209-227-sum:pgl_basic): 35.1 ppg.. 5.5 rpg.. 6.7 apg.. 3.8 spg.. 1.9 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 61.9 ts.. 128 ortg
Curry. 2016 (19 gm): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg

M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg[/COLOR]
Curry 2016 (13 games): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg


January 1988 was greater for MJ in every category - this includes nearly twice as many steals and 10 times the blocks... As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:



"He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/



Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

[aj1987]

MJ averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers with good efficiency

Again, MJ didn't need the 3-point line to average 30+

Also, within those 37 ppg, MJ made more 2-point jumpshots than anyone in the league.. He's one of the best 2-point jumpshooters of all time.
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Curry is the GOAT shooter. Any shot and from anywhere on the court.

Do you even watch the games, you inbred shit? The shots Curry makes on a regular basis would be a highlight shot for any player.

Look at this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkIKpAf_s4

Miller hit the ball on the way up and Curry still made it.

MJ is not even close to being as good a shooter Curry is. From ANYWHERE on the court.

[sd3035]

Curry would easily average 45ppg during the late 80s

Jordan would average about 26 if he were in his prime in 2015

[J Shuttlesworth]

Curry can score the same amount of points with less attempts since he's making so many 3's.

3 > 2
Curry > MJ

[ralph_i_el]

Nope
Curry>MJ

MJ was never even good.

[oarabbus]

Curry would have average Wilt-like numbers had he played in Jordan's era. Weak joke era.

[sd3035]

Michael Ordan was very limited offensively, the game has evolved beyond his skill set

[Showtime80']

Yeah joke era! LOL!!!

The Jordan era included Magic, Bird, Kareem, Isiah, Moses, Wilkins, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Ewing, Drexler, Robinson, Shaq! The Showtime Lakers, Bad Boy Pistons and great Celtics teams! Physical REAL basketball played with classic

What's Curry's era!

LeBron's one man team taking him to 6 games and what else! Harden? injured KD? fragile Rose? Dumb as a rock Westbrook? Please!. Oh yea no dominant centers with soft rules put into place for perimeter players to dominate the game by jacking 3's!

Of course 3>2 when teams don't have the ABILITY OR PERSONNEL to play inside out basketball and obtain spacing and quick scoring opportunities from the commitment of the defense down low. They HAVE to take 3 pointers. What the hell are the Clippers and Rockets going to do? Rely on their pathetically limited post offensive centers in Jordan and Howard?!? I would shoot 20+ threes as well.

Spacing has always existed!!! Go watch the great Lakers or Celtics from the 80's when teams collapsed down low on Kareem, McHale, Worthy or Parish, all the people that were left wide open for 18 to 20 foot LAYUP!

Compare that to today's CLOCK CONSUMING spacing which consists of 5 perimeter players trying to break down defenses from 30 feet away taking 20 to 22 seconds to launch a contested 3 pointer! PATHETIC. The fast break has also decayed as well with PG's thinking about scoring instead of directing an offense properly.

Teams in the 80's didn't NEED THE 3-POINTER to hang 120 because the offenses were quick hitting inside out well oiled machines instead of the NBA Jam schemes we see today.

Call me when at least 25 teams break 100 ppg for an entire season!

[Showtime80']

Yep a guy like Russell Westbrick, who's not even in the same realm as Michael Jordan in terms of skills, basketball fundamentals, athleticism and general IQ is the 3rd best player in today's NBA! Let that sink in

[Straight_Ballin]

[QUOTE=3ball].
M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (13 games): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


January 1988 was greater for MJ in every category - this includes nearly twice as many steals and 10 times the blocks... As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[PsychoBe]

how can someone named 3ball hate curry so much

[SouBeachTalents]

how can someone named 3ball hate curry so much

He hates every player besides Jordan. Doesn't even enjoy watching basketball, just spends his entire day diminishing every great player

[pastis]

He hates every player besides Jordan. Doesn't even enjoy watching basketball, just spends his entire day diminishing every great player

maybe 3ball is MJ himself. that would explain a lot.

[FKAri]

Yeah joke era! LOL!!!

The Jordan era included Magic, Bird, Kareem, Isiah, Moses, Wilkins, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Ewing, Drexler, Robinson, Shaq!

Would those guys have roster spots in today's league? I dunno. I'd take Magic and Bird tho. They'd be great locker room guys. I might also take Kareem depending on whether our team is storing the towels in the top shelf or not.

[Cocaine80s]

how can someone named 3ball hate curry so much
:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

maybe 3ball is MJ himself. that would explain a lot.

I think he's Jordan's dad, he faked his own death to keep the debt collectors from his sons gambling away, and now he spends his days in hiding propping up his son 24/7

[sd3035]

13-0 is an incredible start, perhaps Curry's Warriors can eclipse the 72-10 mark set by Pippen's Bulls

[Straight_Ballin]

He hates every player besides Jordan. Doesn't even enjoy watching basketball, just spends his entire day diminishing every great player

3ball doesn't hate curry, he's just pointing out that while Curry is very hyped at the moment, relative to Jordan at the comparison of where they were at in both their careers, how the numbers stack up. Just be thankful that someone of this era is actually showing promise to have as good of a finals record as jordan did, unlike Lebron who let the entire world down with a mediocre 2/6 performance.

[Straight_Ballin]

13-0 is an incredible start, perhaps Curry's Warriors can eclipse the 72-10 mark set by Pippen's Bulls

LOL this guy is so mad.....

Perhaps you can stop letting Jordan live in your mind rent free?

[pastis]

3ball doesn't hate curry, he's just pointing out that while Curry is very hyped at the moment, relative to Jordan at the comparison of where they were at in both their careers, how the numbers stack up. Just be thankful that someone of this era is actually showing promise to have as good of a finals record as jordan did, unlike Lebron who let the entire world down with a mediocre 2/6 performance.

2007 and 2015 is just unfair to blame in any way lebron. thats just unfair.

[SouBeachTalents]

2007 and 2015 is just unfair to blame in any way lebron. thats just unfair.

2014 too. He gets all the blame for 2011 though

[Showtime80']

Yep, I'd say those would be the best 14 players in the league today if they were around.

Kareem, Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem and Robinson in today's soft dominant low post center depleted NBA? Forget about it. They would ALTER the NBA landscape!

People forget one tiny detail about the stars from the 1980's when defending the inferior modern game, ALL OF THOSE PLAYERS became stars playing against TRUE ZONES, with 40 minute games, NO SHOT CLOCK AND NO 3 POINT line in the NCAA when college basketball was truly the second best league in the world!

Todays soft PSEUDO zones with the 3 second in the paint rule, no hand checking, flagrant foul rule and no true dominant big men would be a DREAM come true for the superstars of the 80's!

[Straight_Ballin]

2007 and 2015 is just unfair to blame in any way lebron. thats just unfair.

How is having a team good enough around you to get you to the finals unfair?
He chose to play in the weak east.

[Cocaine80s]

How is having a team good enough around you to get you to the finals unfair?
He chose to play in the weak east.
He was drafted to the East you dip shit


and in 2015 his team was full of injuries and still managed to take the Warriors to 6 games

[Straight_Ballin]

He was drafted to the East you dip shit


and in 2015 his team was full of injuries and still managed to take the Warriors to 6 games

Only 1 of his 6 finals appearances was due to draft and not by choice.
Good try though.

[3ball]

and in 2015 Lebron's team was full of injuries and still managed to take the Warriors to 6 games


But he had very poor efficiency at the high volume required to carry his team, so his team couldn't win.

Otoh, do you realize that MJ is the only guy that has EVER shot well at the high volumes required to carry teams (i.e. Lebron's 27 fga in 2015 playoffs and 33 fga in Finals)??... Therefore, MJ is the only guy with a chance to actually win when a team needs to be carried, like the 2015 Finals..

For MJ's playoff career, he averaged 25.1 fga on 49% - no one else comes close to this high volume and efficiency.

The stats show the effects of MJ's efficient high volume - he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency.. So imagine Lebron and Kobe DOING MORE - that's MJ:


Per 100 Possession stats in playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[Cocaine80s]

Only 1 of his 6 finals appearances was due to draft and not by choice.
Good try though.
You stupid bruh?

The dude was talking about 07 and 15

[Cocaine80s]

This message is hidden because 3ball is on your ignore list..

[3ball]

delusional posteers

[Straight_Ballin]

But he had very poor efficiency at the high volume required to carry his team, so his team couldn't win.

Otoh, do you realize that MJ is the only guy that has EVER shot well at the high volumes required to carry teams (i.e. Lebron's 27 fga in 2015 playoffs and 33 fga in Finals)??... Therefore, MJ is the only guy with a chance to actually win when a team needs to be carried, like the 2015 Finals..

For MJ's playoff career, he averaged 25.1 fga on 49% - no one else comes close to this high volume and efficiency.

The stats show the effects of MJ's efficient high volume - he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency.. So imagine Lebron and Kobe DOING MORE - that's MJ:


Per 100 Possession stats in playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

That is exactly correct. Lebron didn't go 6/6 because he simply couldn't do as much as MJ did on the efficiency that MJ did. He just wasn't as good, just like every other person to ever touch a basketball in their life.

[ShawkFactory]

2007 and 2015 is just unfair to blame in any way lebron. thats just unfair.
The point is to not be fair

[HighFlyer23]

I'm going to take a piss on Jordan's grave when that time comes

Just letting you know

[3ball]

The dude was talking about 07 and 15


But Lebron had very poor efficiency at the high volume required to carry his team in 2015 Finals, so his team couldn't win.

Otoh, do you realize that MJ is the only guy that has EVER shot well at the high volumes required to carry teams (i.e. Lebron's 27 fga in 2015 playoffs and 33 fga in Finals)??... Therefore, MJ is the only guy with a chance to actually win when a team needs to be carried, like the 2015 Finals..

For MJ's playoff career, he averaged 25.1 fga on 49% - no one else comes close to this high volume and efficiency.

The stats show the effects of MJ's efficient high volume - he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency.. So imagine Lebron and Kobe DOING MORE - that's MJ:


Per 100 Possession stats in playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[Naero]

I don't know how many Curry stans are seriously vaunting over him insofar as to compare him to Michael Jordan; if they are, it is a transient gush, but they'll realize over time that Curry blossomed a bit too late to even amass the same legacy as Michael Jordan. Even LeBron, who is consensually the highest-ranked player currently in his prime, isn't even within striking distance of Jordan's GOAT legacy in the eyes of most rational scholars, and Curry fans are focusing on that comparison much more than Jordan's with his current breakthrough.

Either way, regardless of where Curry ends up on the all-time scale, how can we ascertain that we've even seen his peak yet? He's already somehow managed to exponentially improve after his MVP season; considering that he also relies on athleticism and his physique more insubstantially than most all-time-great player, he could end up peaking out in his early-30s if healthy for all we can predict—akin to Larry Bird in 1987-88, before his chronic back pain started to deterioratingly flare up.

Curry has no chance to logically eclipse Jordan on an all-time scale; we can already rule that out unless his career trajectory steepens greatly, because many players—including Curry, who's been a bit of a late bloomer—end up written off early from that discussion due to their inability to dominate the league from the infancies of their careers as Jordan did. It does not mean that Curry will not have a better peak season than Jordan did, however; only time can predict that, and his current level of play isn't exactly shutting down such a possibility.

[Micku]

15 years from now, Curry will be considered the GOAT and Jordan will be a mere afterthought.

I know, right? Curry is really off to a hot start. One of the best starts I ever seen. I doubt he'll keep it up, but wow.

[Asukal]

Jesus fcking Christ! Now 3ball is attacking Curry.... :facepalm

Somebody ban this clown, he's a fcking idi0t! :whatever:

[diamenz]

Must suck to be unable to enjoy basketball since 1998


lol, this right here. you're so bad 3ball... so bad. smh


Michael Ordan was very limited offensively, the game has evolved beyond his skill set

this on the other hand is idiocy, or trolling.

[Straight_Ballin]

Curry blossomed a bit too late to even amass the same legacy as Michael Jordan. Even LeBron, who is consensually the highest-ranked player currently in his prime, isn't even within striking distance of Jordan's GOAT legacy in the eyes of most rational scholars.

It's the idea that there is now a player that could possibly equal Jordan's 6/6 in the finals while being the main man on his team. Keep in mind, many on here were still just a twinkle in their mother's eye while others were enjoying the thrill of watching the GOAT dominate the sport. There hasn't been anything in the game of basketball more enjoyable since that time, and for me, even though watching curry brings back 1/10th of that feeling of witnessing greatness, it's still better than nothing. At least someone is showing me SOMETHING resembling the possibility of having a perfect record in 6 finals on high efficiency shooting like MJ did and I'm not having to watch some loser who keeps team jumping in the east only to be 2/6 or some wanna be MJ poser who needed to be carried by Shaq for 3 of his rings. Honestly Duncan's greatness has kept me interested since MJ's departure and now with Duncan leaving soon, Curry is holding the torch. Let's just hope he doesn't drop it.

I'd rather be pleased with a memory of watching a has been who is still GOAT then to have a shitty experience of being just a current era NBA fan of watching a never was.

[Straight_Ballin]

I'm going to take a piss on Jordan's grave when that time comes

Just letting you know

Right.... you'll probably show up to his grave with flowers and send a thank you note to his children just like every other current era fan will do that has the unfortunate displeasure of watching inferior basketball players play a game that was mastered by someone who stopped playing 12 years ago.

The hate and insecurity of these fair weather fans that never got to witness true greatness just makes it that much better for being a fan of this sport.

Curry has a long road to get to 6/6. I hope he can pull it off because I'm tired of seeing the same man at the top of the all time list day in and day out for the last 17+ years.

[Kvnzhangyay]

It's the idea that there is now a player that could possibly equal Jordan's 6/6 in the finals while being the main man on his team. Keep in mind, many on here were still just a twinkle in their mother's eye while others were enjoying the thrill of watching the GOAT dominate the sport. There hasn't been anything in the game of basketball more enjoyable since that time, and for me, even though watching curry brings back 1/10th of that feeling of witnessing greatness, it's still better than nothing. At least someone is showing me SOMETHING resembling the possibility of having a perfect record in 6 finals on high efficiency shooting like MJ did and I'm not having to watch some loser who keeps team jumping in the east only to be 2/6 or some wanna be MJ poser who needed to be carried by Shaq for 3 of his rings. Honestly Duncan's greatness has kept me interested since MJ's departure and now with Duncan leaving soon, Curry is holding the torch. Let's just hope he doesn't drop it.

I'd rather be pleased with a memory of watching a has been who is still GOAT then to have a shitty experience of being just a current era NBA fan of watching a never was.

That's literally the equivalent of peaking in high school :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Straight_Ballin]

That's literally the equivalent of peaking in high school :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

^
:facepalm

Thinks being a never was is > that being a has been.

Sorry, but you are just plain wrong.

:lol :lol :lol

[Kvnzhangyay]

^
:facepalm

Thinks being a never was is > that being a has been.

Sorry, but you are just plain wrong.

:lol :lol :lol

I'm probably older than you but I'm neither of those things

I like to live in the present and enjoy life (after work- i hate work lmao) as it comes, not stay stuck in the past

[Straight_Ballin]

I'm probably older than you but I'm neither of those things

I like to live in the present and enjoy life (after work- i hate work lmao) as it comes, not stay stuck in the past

By all means enjoy the present (there are many things to enjoy in life outside of basketball...) but don't pretend that when it comes to the NBA that what you are witnessing is anywhere near the level of greatness that was witnessed during the Jordan era.

Don't pretend that what you are seeing in present day NBA is anywhere close to Jordan's greatness of the past simply because it happened back then instead of now.

WHEN it happened doesn't matter. The fact is that what has happened back then has yet to be outdone by someone of today, and I'm not going to sit here and straight lie to someone by telling them that if they didn't witness true Jordan greatness, that they didn't miss out on anything because the fact of the matter is that they did.

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm probably older than you but I'm neither of those things

I like to live in the present and enjoy life (after work- i hate work lmao) as it comes, not stay stuck in the past

It's sad, like I said, Jordan stans like OP can't even enjoy basketball. All they do is criticize and nit pick every player. It'd be akin to being a fan of the Godfather and watching every movie and just pointing out all the ways it was worse. That's a pretty pathetic and unenjoyable way to go through life

[Straight_Ballin]

It's sad, like I said, Jordan stans like OP can't even enjoy basketball. All they do is criticize and nit pick every player. It'd be akin to being a fan of the Godfather and watching every movie and just pointing out all the ways it was worse. That's a pretty pathetic and unenjoyable way to go through life

What's sad is that your assessment of the situation couldn't be further from the truth. 3ball enjoys basketball he simply understands (unlike the many current era only fans on this board) that Jordan is GOAT and watching basketball when Jordan played is a more enjoyable experience.

The only posters that should be commenting about it are those that can see it from both perspectives. I was watching basketball when Jordan dominated in all 6 finals and I watch it now, so I have a much better understanding (as does 3ball and DonDadda and several other posters) as to what constitutes GREAT basketball which features the GOAT as opposed to current era ball which pales in comparison.

Anyone who's only watched current era ball can say "this is the greatest thing ever!"

Of course they are going to say that! It's all they know!!! :lol

Limited perspective.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Jordan is vastly overrated. KAJ has a better case for GOAT. Jordan was just media hype and propaganda. Curry right now is 10x the shooter Jordan ever was. SICK.

[sd3035]

Jordan is vastly overrated. KAJ has a better case for GOAT. Jordan was just media hype and propaganda. Curry right now is 10x the shooter Jordan ever was. SICK.

Jordan would be a poor man's Carmelo Anthony without the range in today's game

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Jordan is vastly overrated. KAJ has a better case for GOAT. Jordan was just media hype and propaganda. Curry right now is 10x the shooter Jordan ever was. SICK.

Also KAJ and Curry never killed their dad. It would be understandable if MJ was actually being insecure about his legacy outwardly but theres no sign that signals that he even cares. Now think about this. You're spending your energy and prolonging MJs life who could care less about your autism. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :lol :lol

[Kvnzhangyay]

By all means enjoy the present (there are many things to enjoy in life outside of basketball...) but don't pretend that when it comes to the NBA that what you are witnessing is anywhere near the level of greatness that was witnessed during the Jordan era.

Don't pretend that what you are seeing in present day NBA is anywhere close to Jordan's greatness of the past simply because it happened back then instead of now.

WHEN it happened doesn't matter. The fact is that what has happened back then has yet to be outdone by someone of today, and I'm not going to sit here and straight lie to someone by telling them that if they didn't witness true Jordan greatness, that they didn't miss out on anything because the fact of the matter is that they did.

Sure I recognize that Jordan is the goat, but the past is the past. The way Curry shoots threes with such ease is something....new and spectacular

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Sure I recognize that Jordan is the goat, but the past is the past. The way Curry shoots threes with such ease is something....new and spectacular

90's Stan won't listen. Their too busy watching Full House.

[G0ATbe]

So basically Currys doing what Jordan did...except in a tougher era, tougher conference and with a less stacked team:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Wade's Rings]

2007 and 2015 is just unfair to blame in any way lebron. thats just unfair.

Lebron shoots 35% with 6 Turnovers a Game but it's unfair to blame him? :oldlol:

[Asukal]

Curry might be the GOAT shooter when all is said and done yes. But let's not be disrespectful here, let's see him win 4 rings with at least 3 FMVPs and 6 scoring titles before we begin comparing him to Michael Jordan. And that's not taking into account the defensive edge of Michael compared to Curry. Unlike lebron, Curry has none of that mental weakness and that's awesome to watch. :applause:

[WorldWarriors]

I really wish the media would stop pushing the agenda to make every star the next Michael Jordan. Nobody has come close to his professional achievements and his level of gamesmanship. Steph, LEBRON and even Kobe fall well short of his greatness. I feel its disrespectful to Jordan and creates an impossible standard to live up to. Just let them be great in their own way.

[dreamwarrior]

Those stats show Curry putting up those numbers solely being a chucker, as MJ had significantly more assists.

[Mr Feeny]

I'll tell you one thing. Curry is a better offensive player than Jordan. Game has changed old man.

Not sure about being better than Jordan but he's 10 times better than any version of Kobe, I'll give you that. Not even close to debatable, either.

[Mr Feeny]

Jordan is vastly overrated. KAJ has a better case for GOAT. Jordan was just media hype and propaganda. Curry right now is 10x the shooter Jordan ever was. SICK.

Like I told the other Kobe stan. Not sure about him being better than Jordan. That's pushing it. But he's ten times better than any version of Kobe. For feks sake Kobe has never shot 47%fg in his career, even once:oldlol: Curry can do that while taking u threes a game:roll:

[swagga]

[QUOTE=3ball].
M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (13 games): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


January 1988 was greater for MJ in every category - this includes nearly twice as many steals and 10 times the blocks... As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[dunksby]

Those of you who sided with 3ball when he was shitting on LeBron, brace yourselves, he coming for your favorite player :oldlol:

[WorldWarriors]

Those of you who sided with 3ball when he was shitting on LeBron, brace yourselves, he coming for your favorite player :oldlol: Only if they're compared to Jordan.

[oarabbus]

Curry with the interior, no-spacing defenses of the 90s would have averaged 50ppg.

[ShawkFactory]

What's sad is that your assessment of the situation couldn't be further from the truth. 3ball enjoys basketball he simply understands (unlike the many current era only fans on this board) that Jordan is GOAT and watching basketball when Jordan played is a more enjoyable experience.

The only posters that should be commenting about it are those that can see it from both perspectives. I was watching basketball when Jordan dominated in all 6 finals and I watch it now, so I have a much better understanding (as does 3ball and DonDadda and several other posters) as to what constitutes GREAT basketball which features the GOAT as opposed to current era ball which pales in comparison.

Anyone who's only watched current era ball can say "this is the greatest thing ever!"

Of course they are going to say that! It's all they know!!! :lol

Limited perspective.
You didn't watch Jordan in all 6 finals. If you did you wouldn't post like a teenager.

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

[QUOTE=3ball].
M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (13 games): 34.2 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 69.2 ts.. 126 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


January 1988 was greater for MJ in every category - this includes nearly twice as many steals and 10 times the blocks... As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[LikeMike]

I pity the OP.