Buddha vs Mohammad vs Plato vs Jesus vs Ghengis Kahn who you got for GOAT human?

[Nick Young]

Buddha
Mohammad
Plato
Jesus
Ghengis Kahn
Ghandi
Obama


Which of these great humans is the GOAT human?:confusedshrug:

[fpliii]

HM Gutenberg

[Norcaliblunt]

Esham

[TomBrady]

1a) Me
1b) Belichick

[brownmamba00]

Muhammad

HM Mustafa Kemal

[NumberSix]

Vlad Tepes

[nathanjizzle]

Buddha
Mohammad
Plato
Jesus
Ghengis Kahn
Ghandi
Obama


Which of these great humans is the GOAT human?:confusedshrug:

they are all the same being
http://media.giphy.com/media/TlK63EWmJDBa5MjIr6g/giphy.gif

[KyrieTheFuture]

Khan

[D-Wade316]

None of the given. OP is.

[Milbuck]

None of them are real, so Smook gets my vote.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Salvatore Riina is the GOAT human

[Dresta]

Give me some Phocion.

[BoutPractice]

No conqueror can ever truly be a "great" man.

Violence is a dead end that ultimately threatens the very existence of our species... To excel at violence is to fail as a human being.

The truly great figures are those that point towards a better way... The prophets, philosophers and wise men whose doctrine is based on inner and outer peace, as well as simple enjoyment of the time we have on this Earth.

Not far behind are the scientists who seek to increase our knowledge of the universe, and the artists who communicate its hidden harmonies and temporarily offer respite from the endless waves of chaos and turmoil.

But there is also the ordinary greatness of the healer, the mother, the loyal friend, which we should never forget about. Whenever we show kindness to a stranger, or make someone laugh we also become great, if only for an instant.

And so my answer is obviously Steven Seagal.

[masonanddixon]

William Faulkner, actually.

[Akrazotile]

Bruce-Caitlyn Jenner. Literally the bravest human being in human being history.

[knickballer]

Only ISH would consider someone who was more barbaric than Hitler(Genghis Khan) to be considered a "GOAT" human being.

I guess that's what happens when you're so far removed from his time and you don't get the same personal attachment to the horrors he committed. Alot of revisionist history too with Genghis Khan with revisionists saying he advocated for womens rights, he had religious tolerance, emphasized learning, etc. It will be like in 500 years people when people are dettached from the horrors of the Nazis people becoming historical revisionists by claiming they believed in Science, their social programs produced a healthy society, etc.

To me I would say the ancient Greek Philosphers(can't really pick one), the GOAT ruler probably Augustus.

[LJJ]

Only ISH would consider someone who was more barbaric than Hitler(Genghis Khan) to be considered a "GOAT" human being.

I mean it's not just Khan and it's not just on ISH. Mongolians still put Khan on their money and he's their national hero.

Caesar, Alexander, Charlemagne, Muhammad. A lot of these guys are seen as national heroes, treasures and inspiring figures. One man's hero is another man's monster. We can see their greatness in their achievements, not in being a force for good.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Better use of attention would be to
a) find the GOAT in the field/industry/craft you're heading to
and
b) asking the source of their greatness, God, for it.

[Nick Young]

Only ISH would consider someone who was more barbaric than Hitler(Genghis Khan) to be considered a "GOAT" human being.

I guess that's what happens when you're so far removed from his time and you don't get the same personal attachment to the horrors he committed. Alot of revisionist history too with Genghis Khan with revisionists saying he advocated for womens rights, he had religious tolerance, emphasized learning, etc. It will be like in 500 years people when people are dettached from the horrors of the Nazis people becoming historical revisionists by claiming they believed in Science, their social programs produced a healthy society, etc.

To me I would say the ancient Greek Philosphers(can't really pick one), the GOAT ruler probably Augustus.
Out of curiosity, why would you rank the Greek philosophers over the Indian and Chinese ones like Confuscious or Buddha?:confusedshrug:


Greatness doesn't mean moral goodness. You must listen to Dan Carlin because you're regurgitating his schtick nearly word for word.

Ghengis conquered the biggest empire ever and 1 in 8 Asian men today are directly descended to him by bloodlines.

Ghengis Khan's empire was ran through pure meritocracy. The Khan's ideas did promote the advancement of society and humanity in general long term, whether he meant to or not.

[Akrazotile]

I mean it's not just Khan and it's not just on ISH. Mongolians still put Khan on their money and he's their national hero.

Caesar, Alexander, Charlemagne, Muhammad. A lot of these guys are seen as national heroes, treasures and inspiring figures. One man's hero is another man's monster. We can see their greatness in their achievements, not in being a force for good.


In America we have lots of non-military heroes to glorify to the rest of the world. Many of these smaller countries have a limited selection of figures to prop up, so I guess theyre not quite so particular about ethics.

Kinda similar to how countries that have little prominence on the national stage are immensely proud of athletes that win gold or become famous in a foreign pro league.

In America, we're just sort of used to being the center of attention. A lot of other countries are quite thirsty for a little bit of recognition.

[Jailblazers7]

I'd put Buddha on top for that list prob. He was kind of a dick to his family but was overall great.

[outbreak]

ghandi used to sleep naked with 12 year old girls (who were sometimes his relatives) and was a huge racist.

http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/more-you-know.jpg

[outbreak]

Out of curiosity, why would you rank the Greek philosophers over the Indian and Chinese ones like Confuscious or Buddha?:confusedshrug:


Greatness doesn't mean moral goodness. You must listen to Dan Carlin because you're regurgitating his schtick nearly word for word.

Ghengis conquered the biggest empire ever and 1 in 8 Asian men today are directly descended to him by bloodlines.

Ghengis Khan's empire was ran through pure meritocracy. The Khan's ideas did promote the advancement of society and humanity in general long term, whether he meant to or not.

I thought the exact same thing reading his post :roll:

[SexSymbol]

Arnold
The Rock
Michael Jackson
Einstein
Leonardo Da Vinci
Bill Gates
Karl Marx
Elon Musk
these are my candidates and runner ups.
But the GOAT is Nikola Tesla

[SexSymbol]

Only ISH would consider someone who was more barbaric than Hitler(Genghis Khan) to be considered a "GOAT" human being.

I guess that's what happens when you're so far removed from his time and you don't get the same personal attachment to the horrors he committed. Alot of revisionist history too with Genghis Khan with revisionists saying he advocated for womens rights, he had religious tolerance, emphasized learning, etc. It will be like in 500 years people when people are dettached from the horrors of the Nazis people becoming historical revisionists by claiming they believed in Science, their social programs produced a healthy society, etc.

To me I would say the ancient Greek Philosphers(can't really pick one), the GOAT ruler probably Augustus.
Hitler wasn't barbaric.

[Nick Young]

ghandi used to sleep naked with 12 year old girls (who were sometimes his relatives) and was a huge racist.

http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/more-you-know.jpg
He didn't touch the girls though.

He also hated gay people.

http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/more-you-know.jpg

[Akrazotile]

Who cares if Ghandi was a racist pedophile homophobe?? He wasnt white, so it's not like he deserves to be judged for it.

#OnlyJudgeTheWhiteMan
#Twitter
#hashtags
#catchphrases

[Nick Young]

Who cares if Ghandi was a racist pedophile homophobe?? He wasnt white, so it's not like he deserves to be judged for it.

#OnlyJudgeTheWhiteMan
#Twitter
#hashtags
#catchphrases
Forreal. Check your privilege AND your micro-aggression, outbreak.

[Derka]

George Carlin

[LJJ]

He didn't touch the girls though.


http://i.imgur.com/AtOtQdj.gif

[Dresta]

No conqueror can ever truly be a "great" man.

Violence is a dead end that ultimately threatens the very existence of our species... To excel at violence is to fail as a human being.

The truly great figures are those that point towards a better way... The prophets, philosophers and wise men whose doctrine is based on inner and outer peace, as well as simple enjoyment of the time we have on this Earth.

Not far behind are the scientists who seek to increase our knowledge of the universe, and the artists who communicate its hidden harmonies and temporarily offer respite from the endless waves of chaos and turmoil.

But there is also the ordinary greatness of the healer, the mother, the loyal friend, which we should never forget about. Whenever we show kindness to a stranger, or make someone laugh we also become great, if only for an instant.

And so my answer is obviously Steven Seagal.
Seriously, what nonsense: what sentimental, illogical and idealistic drivel.

In what way is violence a 'dead end?' - it never has been. Pretending war-making has never accomplished anything is patently untrue. Though certainly an advocate of peace myself, and unfriendly towards the concept of offensive war, it is undeniable that peace leads to ossification and complacency, and that war is unfortunately the natural corrective to this very human weakness (kind of encapsulated in your opinion that 'to excel at violence is to fail as a human being' - such a mentality inevitably ends up enervating and destroying itself when faced by any force stronger and more sure of itself).

Without the great Spartan and Athenian generals (at a time when courage and military leadership were inseparable from greatness - why? Because they were the salient condition for survival, without great military leadership you were destined for death or slavery) the culture of Greece would have been swamped an invaded by the far more barbaric and despotic Persians, and Europe could well be subject to a more Oriental form of rule and governance (which you no doubt would disapprove of). Our cultural inheritance would be much poorer for it. The Roman Empire was a civilising force for all of Europe, beset upon on all sides by barbarous tribes just waiting for the opportunity to topple and pillage that great city - when it was eventually sacked, the remnants of culture it and a nascent Christian church had preserved were the only thing that prevented a much longer period of darkness, and the relative light of the Middle Ages would have taken far longer to emerge. Not to mention that all liberty is dependent on the capability to defend oneself - and thus great military leadership is the necessary precursor to all the things you claim to enjoy and value.

It is simply flippant and frivolous to ignore the clear greatness of men like Caesar and Alexander - they proved their greatness through words and acts, by their extraordinary mercy and clemency (for that time - Caesar himself pardoned the men who killed him), by the greatness they inspired in others and those around them, by the courage and daring with which they risked their lives, riches and comfort for a higher cause - and by the simplicity of their manners and habits of living - their courage in the face of death. These men were one in a million, they were of a singular substance - to belittle their achievements is ahistorical to say the least, a post hoc moral denunciation of an era you didn't have to live through and suffer yourself, and so fail to grasp or understand the realities of what it meant to live at that time.

Without recourse to violence the human species would be long gone.

[DonD13]

Tom Brady.

[TomBrady]

Tom Brady.
:applause:

[KingBeasley08]

Genghis Khan is probably the most alpha human being to ever live so he's up there. HM to Buddha , Mohammad, and Jesus. For the philosophers/religious figures, I might give it to Moe over Buddha and Jesus because Islam had a greater peak than Buddhism and Christianity didn't become big till a while after HeyZeus died

[Nick Young]

It can be argued that Islam is still peaking or hasn't reached its peak yet It is still the fastest growing out of all the major religions I believe.

[Norcaliblunt]

Yo mama.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Whoever can get through Dresta's posts without nodding off.

[Nick Young]

Whoever can get through Dresta's posts without nodding off.
aka intelligent people who enjoy gaining knowledge.