Field Goal Attempts to TS%

[dhsilv]

So this kinda looks like crap but whatever.

I took everyone starting 9 or more games and then with at least 120 or so field goal attempts and I think I dropped a few with low minutes just to get a data set that was kinda easy to view.

Anyway comparing TS% to field goal attempts. And I highlighted out two favorite case studies. Kobe and Curry for fun.

http://i.imgur.com/NecqF3n.jpg

If there's a better way to do this or better choices to highlight let me know.

[dhsilv]

Before you ask Mudiay is the really out of place low TS% high field goal attempt point.

[Akrazotile]

Looks like about where Kobe usually is. Was actually expecting worse :oldlol:

[FKAri]

Is there an easy way to collect the raw data? Did you scrape it off a site programmatically, use some kind of ready to use service, or manually input all these values?

I made an app a while back that tracks players' performances for their last x amount of games so I can get a quick what theyre averaging and filter it for a high in a certain statistic (it basically just scrapes basketball reference). Altho some really easy to use sites have popped up in the last 2 years making most of what I have obsolete and unnecessary.

[dhsilv]

Looks like about where Kobe usually is. Was actually expecting worse :oldlol:

I was as well to be honest.

Here's eFG% if you want a bit less "advanced"

http://i.imgur.com/faygoWz.jpg


Still I had to work a bit to even get Kobe on this list since he's only played 9 games. Others have a lot more games.

[dhsilv]

Is there an easy way to collect the raw data? Did you scrape it off a site programmatically, use some kind of ready to use service, or manually input all these values?

I made an app a while back that tracks players' performances for their last x amount of games so I can get a quick what theyre averaging and filter it for a high in a certain statistic (it basically just scrapes basketball reference). Altho some really easy to use sites have popped up in the last 2 years making most of what I have obsolete and unnecessary.

I just went to year stats on basketball, copied in the advanced data for the year and the totals data (don't have games started on advanced tables, annoying???).

Anyway this took about 2 minutes to do give or take. And since I'm just using stupid excel with no add ins and using 2010 (2016 is on my laptop which might do this better). It's pretty simple. Not ideal though.

Now historical data I do have somewhat into a power pivot based system. Still working on how to better use that as I'm new to dax language.

What I WANT is the ability to bring in box score data, but well...that's difficult from what I'm seeing. There's also the issue that box score data can change so if you bring it in too soon, you've got bad data. I'm really kinda glad I no longer work in tech and have to deal with this crap, lol. I much rather do the finance and analytics and not have to work with getting the data right.

[fragokota]

Who's Harden ? Mudiay nearly off the chart :facepalm

[dhsilv]

OK I'm a bit...I'd like to say drunk but I guess I'm just lazy.

The x is harden it's hard to see. I shoulda changed it but again lazy.

This is TS% which is the "better" stat.

http://i.imgur.com/BESzLtQ.jpg

Now this is eFG% which is NOT as good a stat however you'll see the difference.

http://i.imgur.com/VRM7orx.jpg

[dhsilv]

Kinda wish I'd tagged this "WTF is Curry doing"

He's so absurdly off the chart, NUTS.

I really didn't expect to see him THAT out of line and yet I should have.

[dhsilv]

All time results. Interesting view. not gonna lie I need to get better with colors and fonts.

http://i.imgur.com/SaDbJYn.jpg

[dhsilv]

BTW interesting this year there's a positive regression in attempts and TS%, but a negative one historically.

[bigkingsfan]

http://euclid.psych.yorku.ca/datavis.ca/gallery/images/pies/PiesIHaveEaten.png

[warriorfan]

goat curry

[90sgoat]

You should select maybe top 20 players of all time (as pr. ISH) and then plot a linear regression for each player in the same chart.

See at how many shot attempts there is a significant dropoff. This could tell you something about the overall.

As your stats show now, clearly Larry and MJ are the ones able to shoot highly efficient at high volume.

[dhsilv]

You should select maybe top 20 players of all time (as pr. ISH) and then plot a linear regression for each player in the same chart.

See at how many shot attempts there is a significant dropoff. This could tell you something about the overall.

As your stats show now, clearly Larry and MJ are the ones able to shoot highly efficient at high volume.

Just looking at the points on the players I selected. They all seem to have positive trends on shots to TS%.

[ISHGoat]

Just looking at the points on the players I selected. They all seem to have positive trends on shots to TS%.
Greatness :bowdown:

It's not hard to put up high ppg on low efficiency. Ask kobe, AI, Antoine walker

It's GOAT-like to put up great ppg on greaf efficiency. Ask lebron, mj, steph, etc

[TiagoSimoes]

id be interested to see where kd's last 3 healthy seasons would be. especially his 50/40/90 and mvp seasons. those were bird/mj level

[DMAVS41]

Could you do one with playoff career ppg and ts%? I'd be really interested to see that.

Good stuff...cool thread man

[dhsilv]

That might be harder. I don't have playoff data downloaded, but I will see how hard that is to get. The bigger issue is what to to with people only playing say three games and those that play twenty. On a scatter graph I either omitt them or they get the same weight as player with more meaningful games. If I switch to career you have guys who played more games after or before their primes. This is why I used fga here and not ppg. What I can do with the data I have is to then drill down to just people over say a certain ppg, but that should follow fga, unless ft shooting scews it.

[DMAVS41]

That might be harder. I don't have playoff data downloaded, but I will see how hard that is to get. The bigger issue is what to to with people only playing say three games and those that play twenty. On a scatter graph I either omitt them or they get the same weight as player with more meaningful games. If I switch to career you have guys who played more games after or before their primes. This is why I used fga here and not ppg. What I can do with the data I have is to then drill down to just people over say a certain ppg, but that should follow fga, unless ft shooting scews it.

I was thinking you could just do career playoff ppg. Not individual seasons. Like maybe take the players that averaged 23 or more their career playoff ppg averages and just show their TS% on a graph....for

I'm not good at building the chart, but I could get that data for you very easily.

I'm bored...I'll try to make one.

Chart below is the top 30 career ppg averages in the playoffs (NBA/ABA)...with TS%

Obviously there are differences in eras and with players who haven't completed their careers...etc, but I thought it would be cool just to have a visualization for some players.

[DMAVS41]

http://i68.tinypic.com/34i5izs.png

[Achilleas]

http://i68.tinypic.com/34i5izs.png

curry :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

curry :bowdown:

His scoring/efficiency will be unprecedented if he plays like he currently is during a long playoff run this year...well, for anyone not named Durant

His career has a lot left to it though...remember...some of those guys are either finished or starting their decline or ending their decline

Curry is on the upswing

[fragokota]

http://i68.tinypic.com/34i5izs.png

That doesn't factor in how many games played throughout their careers though. I mean for guys that have played significantly more playoff games and have high TS% on many PPG it is way more impressive. MJ :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

That doesn't factor in how many games played throughout their careers though. I mean for guys that have played significantly more playoff games and have high TS% on many PPG it is way more impressive. MJ :bowdown:

Right...I said that above.

I literally just did the top 30 ppg averages in NBA/ABA history in the playoffs

I would have done more, but I got bored doing it. Maybe I'll add more later.

[Achilleas]

and curry is the player with the less fts

[feyki]

http://i68.tinypic.com/34i5izs.png

Great work .

I'm surprised on Hakeem. Hakeem has always low ortg and that to be underrated him at win shares . Hakeem's TS % is interesting .

[chips93]

cool thread :cheers:

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm @ the op trying to isolate Kobe on that chart as if he's some outlier

[dhsilv]

Great work .

I'm surprised on Hakeem. Hakeem has always low ortg and that to be underrated him at win shares . Hakeem's TS % is interesting .

Dream's issue was always passing and over dribbling.

[dhsilv]

:facepalm @ the op trying to isolate Kobe on that chart as if he's some outlier

I was asked to post it to show where Kobe was on the chart. I happened to label Curry cause there was a crazy dot out in the crazy "you can't be that good" space. Now I coulda played with the data to make Kobe look like he's some kinda outlier but that would be kinda wrong.

[dhsilv]

http://i68.tinypic.com/34i5izs.png

What did you use to graph the points and label them? Or did you use excel and just make each one it's own series?

[DMAVS41]

What did you use to graph the points and label them? Or did you use excel and just make each one it's own series?

I used excel to plot all the points...then I just double clicked on the points and labeled them.

[dhsilv]

No way to do what I wanted and make it really readable. Still just for anyone who might find it interest.

Min 10 games. Min 20 points per game.

http://i.imgur.com/gtuRLT3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1M1nR7u.jpg