A few jumpshots that Curry cant make (of many)

[3ball]

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MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups.

A huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time - he's by far the best jumshooter out of anyone that could double pump from the ft line.

[JohnMax]

3ball, check out this podcast about the Jordan era

http://inallairness.com/feed/podcast/

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Wow how threatened do you feel to be making a thread 2:45 in the morning?

[AirFederer]

PLease stop. Try to enjoy what Steph is doing.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

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MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups.

A huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time - he's by far the best jumshooter out of anyone that could double pump from the ft line.
Maybe Stephs Jumper doesn't rely on freak athleticism and vertical?:rolleyes:

[FKAri]

Shots Jordan couldn't make:
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Michael-Jordan-Misses-Dunk.gif


Players Jordan couldn't guard:
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[Nick Young]

MJ, the ultimate ballhog chucker:bowdown:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Curry's handle/release is too quick to bother taking difficult shots like that. He doesn't waste his time with low percentage looks like that because he doesn't need to.

Plus, it doesn't matter how hard the shot is. Curry will put 3 points on the board quicker than Jordan puts up 2

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Shots Jordan couldn't make:
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Michael-Jordan-Misses-Dunk.gif


Players Jordan couldn't guard:
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You forgot YObe[young Kobe]


Lets be honest MJ is a poor mans Derozan.
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[fragokota]

Learn to appreciate greatness wherever it comes from and stop being so insecure about your idol...Oh and stop living in the past.

[LakersForlife]

are you retarded? you know curry doesnt have athleticism right? what a dumb post

[Round Mound]

You Cant Compare Jordans Athleticism and Strength to Curry`s For Contested Shots. Curry is a Long Distance Assasin but Jordan was a Great 2-Point Scorer.

[Rocketswin2013]

Curry is good at those little floaters around the areas Jordan is taking off from. He does them with both hands and can use the glass.

He gets them off quickly. Way quicker releases than these jumpers.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Curry is good at those little floaters around the areas Jordan is taking off from. He does them with both hands and can use the glass.

He gets them off quickly. Way quicker releases than these jumpers.

Reinforces my point that MJ would be a poor mans derozan in todays league:cry: :cry:

[Nick Young]

Lets be honest MJ is a poor mans Derozan.
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Perfect comparison! Derozan would have dominated MJ's chumpass short shorts gerry curl era.

[3ball]

Maybe Stephs Jumper doesn't rely on freak athleticism and vertical?:rolleyes:



MJ was 85% ft shooter and it takes touch and shooting ability to make ALL jumpers.

Also, a huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time..

And MJ is the only player in history that took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups..

Here's a hangtime jumper with Duncan and Robinson contesting:


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[Nick Young]

MJ was 85% ft shooter and it takes touch and shooting ability to make ALL jumpers.

Also, a huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time..

And MJ is the only player in history that took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups..

Here's a hangtime jumper with Duncan and Robinson contesting:


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Looks like a shit version of Derek Rose.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Looks like a shit version of post injury Rose.
Pretty much

corrected it.

[3ball]

Looks like a shit version of Derek Rose.



Show me derrick rose or derozan making hangtime jumper - they don't have physical capability or the skill - only MJ does:


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[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Show me derrick rose or derozan making hangtime jumper - they don't have physical capability or the skill - only MJ does:


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Your dedication to trolling for 8700+ posts is GOAT status.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[3ball]

Reinforces my point that MJ would be a poor mans derozan in todays league:cry: :cry:



Derozan can only dream of taking shots like these - coach would yank him so fast after the brick:


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[AintNoSunshine]

So fking what? Jordan isn't even in the same stratesphere as a shooter as Curry. Curry is also 30x the better dribbler than Jordan ever was. WTF are you trying to proof?

[HenryGarfunkle]

Physically I'm more impressed with LeBron man. Jordan was a freak, but LeBrons the greatest freak.

I know it hurts to see a new generation guy who's bigger, faster, stronger, more durable, and have more skill and natural ability than your idol.

You don't have to keep making these threads to prove Jordan was better. It's over. LeBron's proven to be the better specimen. Get over it.

LeBron is the GOAT athlete. Jordan will never have that title.

[Spurs m8]

That hang time...

Unmatched

[3ball]

So fking what? Jordan isn't even in the same stratesphere as a shooter as Curry. Curry is also 30x the better dribbler than Jordan ever was. WTF are you trying to proof?



Similar to Curry, Jordan was ALSO considered the best jumpshooter:


Jerry West:


"I've seen some incredible players," West says. "I mean, the Lakers had some incredible players--Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson--and it's awful to say, but Michael Jordan is the best player I've ever seen.

"People get enamored with his spectacular physical presence, but his skill level . . . if his skill level wasn't that good, he'd be another guy who you'd see on the highlight films a lot, but he wouldn't have been thought of as maybe the greatest player that ever played the game. Right now, I don't know who's a better jump-shooter."

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-12/magazine/tm-3107_1_michael-jordan/4



Ron Artest:


"Jordan was the toughest (to guard out of Kobe, Lebron, MJ) because he's as strong as Lebron, he shoots as good as Reggie Miller from the mid-range, and because he's tough. He's a killer out there on the court."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsj_61lhpew&t=0m57s

[Funktion]

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[kennethgriffin]

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MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups.

A huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time - he's by far the best jumshooter out of anyone that could double pump from the ft line.


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Basically how Curry would clown this role player.

[3ball]

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Not nearly as much as Jordan, but you right - Kobe is the only other guy to take hangtime jumpers.

Kobe's the only guy that can match some of MJ's moves, if not his instinct, smarts or athleticism.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Did jordan ever have a stretch of 14 games averaging 34 pts on .692 TS?

[NZStreetBaller]

Steph is undoubtedly better then jordan at three point shots
Im not a maths guy but 3>2

The funny thing is technically you are a steph fan. Your bloody username is 3ball:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZwttX7A7JM


kobe was doing those hangtime shots from 1997 till 2013

[3ball]

Did jordan ever have a stretch of 14 games averaging 34 pts on .692 TS?


M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 51.5 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


:kobe: :whatever: :lebronamazed: :dancin :durantunimpressed: :yaohappy: :hammertime:


MJ had numerous stretches where he was superior across the board, in addition to his DPOY defense.. As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:


"He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

[QUOTE=3ball]M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.0 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


January 1988 was greater for MJ in every category - this includes nearly twice as many steals and 10 times the blocks... As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[kennethgriffin]

[QUOTE=3ball]M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 51.5 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


:kobe: :whatever: :lebronamazed: :dancin :durantunimpressed: :yaohappy: :hammertime:


MJ had numerous stretches where he was superior across the board, in addition to his DPOY defense.. As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[WorldWarriors]

Jimmy Butler is the next Michael Jordan.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Jimmy Butler is the next Michael Jordan.

Don't insult Jimmy.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Holy shit so Jordan didn't even come close to the efficiency Curry has been putting up :eek:

[CarlosBoozer]

Insecure fgt

jordan in today's era = derozan

[3ball]

When I become rich I'm going to hire you to be insecure for me.


That last post must hurt for Curry fans - they thought Curry's 14 games were goat - but unfortunately, MJ had many stretches where he was superior across the board, IN ADDITION to dpoy defense.

Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

That last post must hurt for Curry fans - they thought Curry's 14 games were goat - but unfortunately, MJ had many stretches where he was superior across the board, IN ADDITION to dpoy defense.

Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan.

What are your rates?

[kennethgriffin]

That last post must hurt for Curry fans - they thought Curry's 14 games were goat - but unfortunately, MJ had many stretches where he was superior across the board, IN ADDITION to dpoy defense.

Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan.



see the funny thing is that everyone knows jordan is better than curry but youre going on like a little bitch trying your best to convince yourself more than others of this fact because you feel threatened for no reason

youre so damn insecure its not even funny

[CarlosBoozer]

I could literally see jordan's c*ck coming out of your mouth

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

see the funny thing is that everyone knows jordan is better than curry but youre going on like a little bitch trying your best to convince yourself more than others of this fact because you feel threatened for no reason

youre so damn insecure its not even funny

You should hire him next time you feel insecure. As a well of to do Canadian I'm sure you can afford his rates.

[3ball]

What are your rates?
150/hr

bargain

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

150/hr

bargain
:banana: :banana: I'll take it. I feel insecure about 1-9 hours every day.

[bigkingsfan]

3 > 2

[3ball]

Insecure fgt

jordan in today's era = derozan



Derozan can only dream of taking shots like these - coach would yank him so fast after the brick:


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[3ball]

I feel insecure about 1-9 hours every day.



MJ and Lebron's 1st round opponents from early career


Bucks. 1985: 59-23... #2 defense.. Division Champs
Celtics 1986: 67-15... #1 defense.. World Champs
Celtics 1987: 59-23... #9 defense.. Eastern Conference Champs
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 185-61... 0.752.. some of the best teams ever


Wizards 2006: 42-40... #22 defense
Wizards 2007: 41-41... #28 defense
Wizards 2008: 43-39... #24 defense
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 126-120... 0.512... some of the worst playoff teams ever

[Dresta]

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That's a travel dude.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

MJ and Lebron's 1st round opponents from early career


Bucks. 1985: 59-23... #2 defense.. Division Champs
Celtics 1986: 67-15... #1 defense.. World Champs
Celtics 1987: 59-23... #9 defense.. Eastern Conference Champs
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 185-61... 0.752.. some of the best teams ever


Wizards 2006: 42-40... #22 defense
Wizards 2007: 41-41... #28 defense
Wizards 2008: 43-39... #24 defense
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 126-120... 0.512... some of the worst playoff teams ever


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Going to bed I have classes

[3ball]

3 > 2



2-pointers are scored in far more diverse ways, including MJ's one-of-a-kind hangtime jumpers:


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[DCL]

3ball, you should do something brand new like leave the house for once.

[Smoke117]

Shots Jordan couldn't make:
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Players Jordan couldn't guard:
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I don't like Jordan at all, but that's such a blatant carry over its ridiculous. You can't expect anyone to guard someone who cheats. 3ball can go **** his own mother, but I will never endorse anything that raises up the most overrated and biggest chucking player of all time: Allen Iverson.

[knicksman]

but those 3s curry takes are much tougher tho. Jordan couldnt even make open 3s:lol

[bigkingsfan]

2-pointers are scored in far more diverse ways, including MJ's one-of-a-kind hangtime jumpers:

Curry Pelican game-tying three-pointer > any two point MJ basket
Because
3>2

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

As much of a fakkit as 3ball is MJ was def a better midrange shooter than Stephy

[TheMan]

Lol @ OP being insecure abou Steph Curry, of all people :facepalm

[IGOTGAME]

You Cant Compare Jordans Athleticism and Strength to Curry`s For Contested Shots. Curry is a Long Distance Assasin but Jordan was a Great 2-Point Scorer.


3s are greater than 2s tho...

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

3s are greater than 2s tho...

And Steph Doesn't stick his tongue out like a beta male who lives to pleasure others.

[diamenz]

curry can't make a lot of those, but he has his own style and just gets it done a different way.

[KobesFinger]

Doesn't Jordan have the lowest score ever in the three point contest? 3Ball, tell us your thoughts about it

[LikeMike]

Now OP is threatened by Curry?

[LikeMike]

Btw, such a dumb thread. Why does it matter, because Curry has a different style. Was Shaq a worse player than Reggie Miller because Reggie hit shots that Shaq couldn't? Curry hits shots that MJ couldn't regularly hit either.

[STATUTORY]

And Steph Doesn't stick his tongue out like a beta male who lives to pleasure others.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

MJ needs to use his tongue cuz he aint packing heat

[AlphaWolf24]

Different era's son....Could MJ do difficult Finger roll's with his back to the Basket?....

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/Finger%20Roll/Wilt%20Chamberlain/01.gif~original

MJ and Wilt both are at 30.1 ppg over their careers (MJ fractionally higher)... Wilt scored as much as he did because he shot a very high percentage from the field...MJ scored as much as he did because he shot more than anyone else...and he was a better free throw shooter than Wilt was.

Was MJ so dominant that the league modified its rulebook to control him? No...in fact, just the opposite was true...the rules were changed to make the game easier, not more difficult, for Jordan.


added for clarity.....Jordan was also viewed as an all world defender...., but when he retired, the 1994 Bulls gave up FEWER points and held their opponents to a LOWER field goal percentage than they did in 1993 (with Jordan).

[Dragonyeuw]

:facepalm oh FFS...

[TheImmortal]

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MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups.

A huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time - he's by far the best jumshooter out of anyone that could double pump from the ft line.
Very unaesthetic jumper.. notice MJ has to lean towards these shots thus getting closer to the basket. Curry wouldn't need to do that since he has GOAT range. Beta as ****.

[Kblaze8855]

Show me derrick rose or derozan making hangtime jumper - they don't have physical capability or the skill - only MJ does

This is trolling flat out. Nobody is stupid enough to think only Jordan ever made a hangtime jumper. Which means you are bullshitting to start an argument. We barely tolerate your endless spamming and repeat topics and posts. Dont add that to the list.

[3ball]

Nobody is stupid enough to think only Jordan ever made a hangtime jumper.



show me - i've never seen it - maybe rose makes 1 or 2 per year.. MJ made them every game - they were a regular part of his game..

it's not just MJ's superior athleticism - no one in history was even ALLOWED to take those shots regularly - only MJ had the green light to take those shots... for virtually everyone else, hangtime jumpers are a bad shot.


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[kamil]

Players Jordan couldn't guard:
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

If you weren't an unobjectionable dumbass you'd easily submit to reality that MJ guarded him quite well and still managed to get his hand in Iverson's face.

But go on, keep being a deliberate idiot.

[Kblaze8855]

You want me....to show you someone making a hangtime jumper...because you have never seen it other than MJ. Nobody else....in history...would be ALLOWED...to jump high and shoot it as the defense fell away....

Yea im done even attempting to pretend youre a serious person.

[3ball]

You want me....to show you someone making a hangtime jumper...because you have never seen it other than MJ. Nobody else....in history...would be ALLOWED...to jump high and shoot it as the defense fell away....



You're reading comprehension is very poor - I said other players might make a hangtime jumper once or twice a year, and it's considered a bad, possibly benchable shot for them - it was only a regular shot for MJ:





maybe rose makes 1 or 2 per year.. MJ made them every game - they were a regular part of his game..

it's not just MJ's superior athleticism - no one in history was even ALLOWED to take those shots regularly...

Only MJ had the green light to take those shots... for virtually everyone else, hangtime jumpers are a bad shot.

[3ball]

a lot of salty ****** in the thread that can't handle the truth - Curry's very best 14 games are less than Jordan's best

AND Jordan brought dpoy defense - so imagine Curry with better offense, and then add superior athleticism and defense than Kawhi Leonard - that's MJ.

Oh, and MJ is the only guy that made hangtime jumpers as a REGULAR part of his game.. No one else did that, let alone Curry's non-jumping ass.

[3ball]

a lot of salty ****** in the thread that can't handle the truth - Curry's very best 14 games are less than Jordan's best

AND Jordan brought dpoy defense - so imagine Curry with better offense, and then add superior athleticism and defense than Kawhi Leonard - that's MJ.

Oh, and MJ is the only guy that made hangtime jumpers as a REGULAR part of his game.. No one else did that, let alone Curry's non-jumping ass.


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[FKAri]

If you weren't an unobjectionable dumbass you'd easily submit to reality that MJ guarded him quite well and still managed to get his hand in Iverson's face.

But go on, keep being a deliberate idiot.

Sorry for not being as objective as OP :lol

[3ball]

MJ and Wilt both are at 30.1 ppg over their careers (MJ fractionally higher)...


Playoff PPG:

MJ..: 33.4 (#1 all-time)
Wilt: 22.5 (#29 all-time)


Wilt falls far short of MJ just like everyone else.. :confusedshrug:





MJ scored so much because he shot more than anyone else


This is factually incorrect - MJ's efficiency was the same as other wings, but on far higher volume - he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.

If Lebron and Kobe could shoot more at the same efficiency, they would - so imagine Lebron and Kobe DOING MORE - that's MJ:


Per 100 Possession stats in playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts





Jordan was also viewed as an all world defender...., but when he retired, the Bulls DRtg declined (got better) in 1994


DRTG 91'-93': 7th, 4th, 7th
DRTG ..1994.: 6th

ORTG 91'-93': #1 all-time (115 ORtg - highest ever)
ORTG ..1994.: 14th in league (106.1 ORtg)


Obviously, it's harder for a team to be great on BOTH sides of the ball, than just 1 side of the ball.. MJ enabled a two-way team, which shouldn't be surprising, because Popovich said MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[AlphaWolf24]

MJ's career 3 pt pct was 32%, it was below 20% for much
of his career, until the NBA moved the 3 pt line in.

Despite taking much less 3 pointers then Modern era wings...

Also, Jordan took part in one three point shoot out contest at the All Star game... he scored FIVE points...in TOTAL... that is the lowest total EVER scored by ANY player in the competition's history...I'm sure David Stern ordered the tape of that performance destroyed

[3ball]

Sorry for not being as objective as OP :lol


Allen Iverson on crossing Jordan:


"But the craziest thing about it, was that I hit him with my best move.... and he STILL almost blocked it... (laughs embarassingly)... That was so crazy about it.. That's just lets you know how great of a defensive player he was."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhI9cgsO4c&t=0m40s


And MJ was 34 years old when he almost blocked Iverson's best move.. :bowdown:
.

[FKAri]

Allen Iverson on crossing Jordan:


"But the craziest thing about it, was that I hit him with my best move.... and he STILL almost blocked it... (laughs embarassingly)... That was so crazy about it.. That's just lets you know how great of a defensive player he was."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhI9cgsO4c


And MJ was 34 years old when he almost blocked Iverson's best move.. :bowdown:

One would hope MJ could bother a 5'10'' guy shooting over him.

[kennethgriffin]

Allen Iverson on crossing Jordan:


"But the craziest thing about it, was that I hit him with my best move.... and he STILL almost blocked it... (laughs embarassingly)... That was so crazy about it.. That's just lets you know how great of a defensive player he was."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhI9cgsO4c


And MJ was 34 years old when he almost blocked Iverson's best move.. :bowdown:



almost blocked?

he was going in the opposite direction with every move



btw... kareem had the goat career ... as voted on by majority on ISH

kareem is officially the best ever so pack your bags

[3ball]

MJ's career 3 pt pct was 32%


MJ's lack of 3-point volume meant he never got in a rhythm like high volume 3-point shooters do.

Not surprisingly, anytime Jordan DID shoot a slightly higher 3-point volume, he shot much better - anytime he took 3+ three-pointers per game, he shot excellently (37% in 1990 and 36% in 1992)...

Surely if he shot 6+ threes per game like today's player, he'd realize the same economies of scale in his percentage that today's player enjoys.

Remember, Wade and Westbrook led league in scoring in 2009 and 2015 with a worse 3-point shot and far worse mid-range shot than MJ.. Nor could they double-pump with ease from the FT line (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-03-2015/64Ba72.gif) like MJ.
.

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389814


^ this was straight murder for 3ball

[kennethgriffin]

MJ's lack of 3-point volume meant he never got in a rhythm like high volume 3-point shooters do.

Not surprisingly, anytime Jordan DID shoot a slightly higher 3-point volume, he shot much better - anytime he took 3+ three-pointers per game, he shot excellently (37% in 1990 and 36% in 1992)...

Surely if he shot 6+ threes per game like today's player, he'd realize the same economies of scale in his percentage that today's player enjoys.

Remember, Wade and Westbrook led league in scoring in 2009 and 2015 with a worse 3-point shot and far worse mid-range shot than MJ.. Nor could they double-pump with ease from the FT line (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-03-2015/64Ba72.gif) like MJ.


jordan could only make threes wide open cause of his short arm flat shot and lack of legs


remember his all time worst three point contest score?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA


lol@ 5 points

[3ball]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389814


^ this was straight murder for 3ball



LOL at people in that thread - MJ's superior professional career is worth far more than Kareem's superior HS and college career.. :oldlol:

And this post killed that thread:






Kareem's Playoff Averages During Various Championship Runs:


1982: 20.0 ppg.. 8.5 rpg... :roll:

1985: 21.0 ppg.. 8.1 rpg... :roll:

1987: 19.2 ppg.. 6.8 rpg... :roll:

1988: 14.1 ppg.. 5.5 rpg... :roll:


Should I post MJ's playoff stats??... :kobe:... MJ's lowest PPG in playoffs was 29.3, his rookie year (9 apg that year).. NO COMPARISON

[AlphaWolf24]

Playoff PPG:

MJ..: 33.4 (#1 all-time)
Wilt: 22.5 (#29 all-time)


Wilt falls far short of MJ just like everyone else.. :confusedshrug:



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- 50PPG....MJ falls short when both players want to score....no need for advanced MATH...a Kindergartner knows 50PPG>37PPG when both players want to score

next


- the 1994 Bulls gave up FEWER points and held their opponents to a LOWER field goal percentage than they did in 1993 (with Jordan)... how is it that you lose the "best defensive player in the NBA" and your defense immediately improves?

of course the Bulls Offense suffered.....they replaced MJ with a CBA Player...the entire national media predicted a total collapse of the team in 1994. Every expert predicted that the Bulls would be lucky to win 20 games after Jordan retired!...:lol

MJ had very little impact compared to other greats..

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it's VERY safe to say he was the best player of the 1990s, and imo I don't think any player who's come along since is better than Jordan was (Phil Jackson has his reasons for saying Kobe is better or whatever it was he said, but I would not say that Kobe is better than Jordan was in his prime).


Jordan benefited greatly from rules changes and officiating. I should point out that it's NOT Jordan's fault that the refs let him get away with things other players would be called for... Jordan would be a fool to NOT take advantage of such a situation. But the fact is, Jordan was never so dominant that the NBA felt the need to re-write its rule book (as it did with certain other players). As I said, the rules were changed to make the game EASIER for Jordan, not more difficult.



and there's really nothing Jordan did that someone else hasn't done better.......as we all have seen with the Skillset of Kobe...and now the shooting of Curry!


anyone else have any more questions?

[kennethgriffin]

LOL at people in that thread - MJ's superior professional career is worth far more than Kareem's superior HS and college career.. :oldlol:

And this post killed that thread:


but it wasnt. kareem was voted better


even on basketball reference kareems career is rated higher



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html



1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000


he lost the ISH vote so its over.

[3ball]

kblaze can't find one hangtime jumper for anyone... :oldlol:

[3ball]

even on basketball reference kareems career is rated higher


MJ's the consensus goat - this is common knowledge...

Regarding their careers - I could care less about ignorant fans that consider Kareem's HS and college career equally important as MJ's superior professional career.

[catch24]

Captain Hook aka ISH's GOAT

https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Kareem.jpg

:bowdown:

[fpliii]

Here Adeimantus interposed a question: How would you answer, Socrates, said he, if a person were to say that you are making these people miserable, and that they are the cause of their own unhappiness; the city in fact belongs to them, but they are none the better for it; whereas other men acquire lands, and build large and handsome houses, and have everything handsome about them, offering sacrifices to the gods on their own account, and practising hospitality; moreover, as you were saying just now, they have gold and silver, and all that is usual among the favourites of fortune; but our poor citizens are no better than mercenaries who are quartered in the city and are always mounting guard?

Yes, I said; and you may add that they are only fed, and not paid in addition to their food, like other men; and therefore they cannot, if they would, take a journey of pleasure; they have no money to spend on a mistress or any other luxurious fancy, which, as the world goes, is thought to be happiness; and many other accusations of the same nature might be added.

But, said he, let us suppose all this to be included in the charge.

You mean to ask, I said, what will be our answer?

Yes.

If we proceed along the old path, my belief, I said, is that we shall find the answer. And our answer will be that, even as they are, our guardians may very likely be the happiest of men; but that our aim in founding the State was not the disproportionate happiness of any one class, but the greatest happiness of the whole; we thought that in a State which is ordered with a view to the good of the whole we should be most likely to find Justice, and in the ill-ordered State injustice: and, having found them, we might then decide which of the two is the happier. At present, I take it, we are fashioning the happy State, not piecemeal, or with a view of making a few happy citizens, but as a whole; and by-and-by we will proceed to view the opposite kind of State. Suppose that we were painting a statue, and some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most beautiful colours on the most beautiful parts of the body --the eyes ought to be purple, but you have made them black --to him we might fairly answer, Sir, you would not surely have us beautify the eyes to such a degree that they are no longer eyes; consider rather whether, by giving this and the other features their due proportion, we make the whole beautiful. And so I say to you, do not compel us to assign to the guardians a sort of happiness which will make them anything but guardians; for we too can clothe our husbandmen in royal apparel, and set crowns of gold on their heads, and bid them till the ground as much as they like, and no more. Our potters also might be allowed to repose on couches, and feast by the fireside, passing round the winecup, while their wheel is conveniently at hand, and working at pottery only as much as they like; in this way we might make every class happy-and then, as you imagine, the whole State would be happy. But do not put this idea into our heads; for, if we listen to you, the husbandman will be no longer a husbandman, the potter will cease to be a potter, and no one will have the character of any distinct class in the State. Now this is not of much consequence where the corruption of society, and pretension to be what you are not, is confined to cobblers; but when the guardians of the laws and of the government are only seemingly and not real guardians, then see how they turn the State upside down; and on the other hand they alone have the power of giving order and happiness to the State. We mean our guardians to be true saviours and not the destroyers of the State, whereas our opponent is thinking of peasants at a festival, who are enjoying a life of revelry, not of citizens who are doing their duty to the State. But, if so, we mean different things, and he is speaking of something which is not a State. And therefore we must consider whether in appointing our guardians we would look to their greatest happiness individually, or whether this principle of happiness does not rather reside in the State as a whole. But the latter be the truth, then the guardians and auxillaries, and all others equally with them, must be compelled or induced to do their own work in the best way. And thus the whole State will grow up in a noble order, and the several classes will receive the proportion of happiness which nature assigns to them.

I think that you are quite right.
doe

[kennethgriffin]

MJ's the consensus goat - this is common knowledge...

Regarding their careers - I could care less about ignorant fans that consider Kareem's HS and college career equally important as MJ's superior professional career.


yeah by public opinion...


because out of the 5 most popular players ever jordan has the best career


jordan
magic
bird
kobe
lebron

these guys are the only people who are on the minds of every fan and casual fan or even person who knows nothing about the game


while jordans only real competition career wise for goat are 2 guys by the name of russell and kareem

theyre not as well known or loved

mostly due to their position, style and the eras they played their best basketball in


if you substituted kareems career into kobe or lebrons resumes... i guarantee there would be a major debate and a 50/50 split between goat

[sd3035]

3ball getting killed in here :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

PLease stop. Try to enjoy what Steph is doing.

Everyone IS enjoying what Steph is doing. It's just that we can all see exactly why Jordan is GOAT because of what he had that Steph currently doesn't have. It's exciting because we get to watch a guy for the very first time since Jordan show us GOAT potential. GOAT = Finals perfection of at least 6 finals while being the best player in those finals. Kobe didn't have it, Bron didn't have it (both great players, but not GOAT level), and now Curry is 1/1 so he is on pace to either be 2nd best player of all time or overtake Jordan as the GOAT.

[3ball]

Everyone IS enjoying what Steph is doing. It's just that we can all see exactly why Jordan is GOAT because of what he had that Steph currently doesn't have. It's exciting because we get to watch a guy for the very first time since Jordan show us GOAT potential. GOAT = Finals perfection of at least 6 finals while being the best player in those finals. Kobe didn't have it, Bron didn't have it (both great players, but not GOAT level), and now Curry is 1/1 so he is on pace to either be 2nd best player of all time or overtake Jordan as the GOAT.
agreed
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[sd3035]

Ordan was a poor man's Lebron James without the size or passing skills

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Ordan was a poor man's Lebron James without the size or passing skills

Try Derozan.
This role player would ride the bench on toronto.

[Young X]

Derozan can only dream of taking shots like these - coach would yank him so fast after the brick:


https://media.giphy.com/media/lU20Jne3of5WU/giphy.gifThis shot will always be ridiculous to me. He made Thomas and Johnson hit eachother in mid air.

[3ball]

[QUOTE=3ball]


M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 51.5 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg


Jordan November 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1989/#265-278-sum:pgl_basic): 36.1 ppg.. 7.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.4 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.9 fg.. 64.0 ts.. 121 ortg
Jordan December 1989 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1990/#360-373-sum:pgl_basic): 33.7 ppg.. 6.9 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 55.8 fg.. 62.9 ts.. 125 ortg
Jordan December 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-456-sum:pgl_basic): 31.9 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.9 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 62.3 ts.. 131 ortg


:kobe: :whatever: :lebronamazed: :dancin :durantunimpressed: :yaohappy: :hammertime:


MJ had numerous stretches where he was superior across the board, in addition to his DPOY defense.. As Popovich recently said, MJ is the standard for 2-way play:

[INDENT]"[I]He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don

[Kblaze8855]

You're reading comprehension is very poor - I said other players might make a hangtime jumper once or twice a year, and it's considered a bad, possibly benchable shot for them - it was only a regular shot for MJ:

You said:



show me - i've never seen it - maybe rose makes 1 or 2 per year..

And before that:



they don't have physical capability or the skill - only MJ does

And if you dont see the problem with saying only one person can do something...period....then that other people do it now and then...you are beyond help. Not that that would be shocking.


kblaze can't find one hangtime jumper for anyone...

Get the **** outta here. Im not gonna drop what im doing middle of the day to whip up gifs for you.

A basketball fan shouldnt need them on this subject anyway.

But since you have somehow watched basketball for a couple decades and missed that Kobe has been taking hangtime jumpers and double clutching to shoot on the way down for 20 years....ill assume you arent a serious fan....




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Which says nothing of Vince Carter, Dr.J, David Thompson...hell..World B Free..Penny....Clyde Drexler. All of which ive seen take hanging fadeaways and pullups. And it wouldnt take an athlete on their level to do it either.

That you think it takes a one in 7 billion combo of skill and athletic ability to shoot a jumper on the way down after a high leap is pretty much proof of a mental disorder or unfathomable bias.

Just because there are dozens of fanatics who digitize and upload every Jordan highlight and nobody did it for most players doesnt mean it wasnt being done. Youtube does not decide what the truth is.














Just because Elgin Baylor scored 25 thousand points nobody has footage of doesnt mean he wasnt doing this:

http://giant.gfycat.com/AdoredTiredCaudata.gif

*it went in for the record*


Now and then. He scored 38ppg one year. We have like....80 total points from him that season on film.

"Show me a gif" is not a ****ing argument. 99.9% of the shots ever taken....arent online.

And not everyone is doing what I used to do...scour hours of tape and convert it to files to edit.

The NBA had its one millionth point scored....in 1962.

We were literally 6 million points in before every game was recorded. And most that were still have no available highlights.

Jordan being the most well documented all time great doesnt mean others didnt do what there is little footage of.

Nobody needs youtube for a memory. If you dont have memory of others making hanging jumpers you didnt watch the NBA to begin with.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

You said:




And before that:




And if you dont see the problem with saying only one person can do something...period....then that other people do it now and then...you are beyond help. Not that that would be shocking.



Get the **** outta here. Im not gonna drop what im doing middle of the day to whip up gifs for you.

A basketball fan shouldnt need them on this subject anyway.

But since you have somehow watched basketball for a couple decades and missed that Kobe has been taking hangtime jumpers and double clutching to shoot on the way down for 20 years....ill assume you arent a serious fan....




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Which says nothing of Vince Carter, Dr.J, David Thompson...hell..World B Free..Penny....Clyde Drexler. All of which ive seen take hanging fadeaways and pullups. And it wouldnt take an athlete on their level to do it either.

That you think it takes a one in 7 billion combo of skill and athletic ability to shoot a jumper on the way down after a high leap is pretty much proof of a mental disorder or unfathomable bias.

Just because there are dozens of fanatics who digitize and upload every Jordan highlight and nobody did it for most players doesnt mean it wasnt being done. Youtube does not decide what the truth is.














Just because Elgin Baylor scored 25 thousand points nobody has footage of doesnt mean he wasnt doing this:

http://giant.gfycat.com/FantasticIllfatedEyra.gif

*it went in for the record*


Now and then. He scored 38ppg one year. We have like....80 total points from him that season on film.

"Show me a gif" is not a ****ing argument. 99.9% of the shots ever taken....arent online.

And not everyone is doing what I used to do...scour hours of tape and convert it to files to edit.

The NBA had its one millionth point scored....in 1962.

We were literally 6 million points in before every game was recorded. And most that were still have no available highlights.

Jordan being the most well documented all time great doesnt mean others didnt do what there is little footage of.

Nobody needs youtube for a memory. If you dont have memory of others making hanging jumpers you didnt watch the NBA to begin with.

Etherd

[inclinerator]

where can i donate? oh wait

[3ball]

Curry's fans thought his 14 games were goat - but unfortunately, MJ had many stretches where he was superior across the board, IN ADDITION to dpoy defense.

Just imagine Steph Curry's offense, and then add defensive capability and athleticism superior to Kawhi Leonard.

That was prime Jordan... /thread... Curry fans destroyed .. My work here is done


https://media.giphy.com/media/14yzBgpfJSr5nO/giphy.gif
I really thought that would be it
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[3ball]

.
Popovich said MJ is the standard for 2-way play:



"He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/
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[3ball]

Etherd
:rolleyes:

He posted 1 hangtime jumpshot from the ONE guy I said did hangtime jumpers like MJ (although not nearly as often or as athletically)

[3ball]

And if you dont see the problem with saying only one person can do something...period....


You're misquoted me - don't comment in threads if you didn't read the OP:


"MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups."






All of which ive seen take hanging fadeaways and pullups.



Fadeaways ARE NOT hangtime jumpshots... So don't even try it..

Also, in the Kobe switch hands shot, Dwight is standing right under the rim and Kobe finishes over him off one leg - that isn't a jumpshot - that's a runner, and so is Elgin's.. As you know, MJ had a zillion of hangtime runners too:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/8RKCxu.gif






Which says nothing of Vince Carter, Dr.J, David Thompson...hell..World B Free..Penny....Clyde Drexler.


None of the guys you mentioned did hangtime jumpshots barely ever - I just watched an whole hour of Clyde Drexler footage and I only saw 1 (this includes the Drexler video that you made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkPZWiPitA)).

Otoh, if you watch an hour of MJ highlights, you'll see 10 or more easily.. Unlike the guys you mentioned, MJ did hangtime jumpshots on purpose - because again, they were a REGULAR part of his game, not a rarity.





Kobe has been taking hangtime jumpers and double clutching to shoot on the way down for 20 years.


Again, you didn't read the thread - post #29 - I said Kobe was the only other guy that did hangtime jumpers - but he still rarely did it compared to MJ, who did it nearly every game.

And obviously, Kobe's "hangtime" isn't really hangtime at all compared to MJ, as your gif showed - honestly, I would be embarrassed to post that Kobe "hangtime" in this thread, given how much better MJ's hangtime looks.





Im not gonna drop what im doing middle of the day to whip up gifs for you.


And yet you did.

The real issue is that ANYONE can watch a highlight video of MJ and find a bunch of hangtime jumpshots, because he did it all the time..

Whereas you can watch Lebron, Vince or Durant's entire SEASON of extended highlights and you might find 1 or 2 at best, most likely by accident..

[3ball]

a Kindergartner knows 50PPG>37PPG when both players want to score


MJ's scoring average is higher when you account for pace:

Wilt's team's pace in 1962: 131.1
MJ's.. team's pace in 1987: ..95.8


So we must reduce Wilt's 50 ppg by 33%... Once we do that, Wilt's scoring average is 33.5 ppg, which is less than MJ's 37 ppg

MJ also had higher regular season ppg and FAR higher playoff ppg (33 ppg to 22 ppg)





the 1994 Bulls gave up FEWER points and held their opponents to a LOWER field goal percentage than they did in 1993 (with Jordan)


So did the rest of the league - the Bulls ranking relative to the league was the same without MJ:


DRTG 91'-93': 7th, 4th, 7th
DRTG ..1994.: 6th

ORTG 91'-93': #1 all-time (115 ORtg - highest ever)
ORTG ..1994.: 14th in league (106.1 ORtg)


As you can see, MJ enabled a two-way team, which shouldn't be surprising, because Popovich said MJ is the standard for 2-way play:


"He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/





Phil Jackson has his reasons for saying Kobe is better or whatever it was he said


^^^^ This is a lie - Phil has never said Kobe is better... Virtually EVERY time Phil is asked who is better, he either overtly says "MJ", or he strongly implies it - in this one, he overtly says it:


Interviewer: "So who wins (between Kobe and MJ)??"

Phil: "Oh, it's gonna be MJ......"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClAiN9MXyc&t=2m55s

There are many more quotes like this - Phil obviously thinks MJ is much better.





Jordan benefited greatly from rules changes and officiating.


They banned clearouts in 1987, so clearouts were illegal for most of MJ's career.. Remember those clearouts that Lebron got over and over in the Finals?... Those were illegal in MJ's day.

Otoh, no one in history benefited from the rule changes more than Kobe - his PPG skyrocketed after the hand-check ban and paint-camping bans in 2005 - Iverson, Arenas, Steve Francis and other inefficient chuckers like Kobe also benefited.

[diamenz]

Curry fans destroyed .. My work here is done



smh.

[D. Toretto]

Does OP even have anything remotely resembling a life?

[CTbasketball92]

Physically I'm more impressed with LeBron man. Jordan was a freak, but LeBrons the greatest freak.

I know it hurts to see a new generation guy who's bigger, faster, stronger, more durable, and have more skill and natural ability than your idol.

You don't have to keep making these threads to prove Jordan was better. It's over. LeBron's proven to be the better specimen. Get over it.

LeBron is the GOAT athlete. Jordan will never have that title.

I'd say they're a tie or at keast very close. MJ had even better body control, was at least fast and much, much quicker in the half court and lighter on his feet. And he was a better two foot leaper. LeBron and MJ are the two most athletic primary ballhandlers ever, though.

[Kblaze8855]

You're misquoted me - don't comment in threads if you didn't read the OP:


"MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups."





Fadeaways ARE NOT hangtime jumpshots... So don't even try it..

Also, in the Kobe switch hands shot, Dwight is standing right under the rim and Kobe finishes over him off one leg - that isn't a jumpshot - that's a runner, and so is Elgin's.. As you know, MJ had a zillion of hangtime runners too:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/8RKCxu.gif




None of the guys you mentioned did hangtime jumpshots barely ever - I just watched an whole hour of Clyde Drexler footage and I only saw 1 (this includes the Drexler video that you made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkPZWiPitA)).

Otoh, if you watch an hour of MJ highlights, you'll see 10 or more easily.. Unlike the guys you mentioned, MJ did hangtime jumpshots on purpose - because again, they were a REGULAR part of his game, not a rarity.



Again, you didn't read the thread - post #29 - I said Kobe was the only other guy that did hangtime jumpers - but he still rarely did it compared to MJ, who did it nearly every game.

And obviously, Kobe's "hangtime" isn't really hangtime at all compared to MJ, as your gif showed - honestly, I would be embarrassed to post that Kobe "hangtime" in this thread, given how much better MJ's hangtime looks.



And yet you did.

The real issue is that ANYONE can watch a highlight video of MJ and find a bunch of hangtime jumpshots, because he did it all the time..

Whereas you can watch Lebron, Vince or Durant's entire SEASON of extended highlights and you might find 1 or 2 at best, most likely by accident..

So you were misquoted with a copy/pasting of your own words, fadeaways arent hangtime jumpers yet you post this and call it one,


https://media.giphy.com/media/ZkiVauQdlJy92/giphy.gif



and you think 10 minutes to 1am is the middle of the day.

But you arent trolling right now....

[Dragonyeuw]

What is the purpose of this thread? MJ can do hanging jumpshots and Curry can't? Ok. Curry can routinely stick 25 ft jumpshots off the dribble with a defender in his face, something MJ never did. What's the point?

[dunksby]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZkiVauQdlJy92/giphy.gif




Travel, carry, anyone?

[pastis]

scottie pippen, denis rodman, goat coach.

/thread

i cant imagine how you would hate curry if he had the opportunity to play with 2 top 30-35 goat players and goat coach over such a long periode.

you would relativise all of currys success for sure.

[sd3035]

Pippen was the best player during the Bulls dynasty

[sd3035]

Travel, carry, anyone?

lol nearly all of Ordan's most famous gifs involve traveling, carrying, pushing off, or completely unnecessary theatrics

[Elosha]

This whole thread is idiotic, and I don't throw out such words lightly. 3ball sometimes had good insights but usually these types of threads generate nothing but Jordan hatred because 3ball comes off as so insecure and paranoid.

3ball it's ok ... really. No one is really believing that 15 games into the season makes Curry a better scorer or overall player than Jordan. Sure there have been some overreactions to his play so far, but really Curry deserves a huge amount of credit for improving his game (so far) dramatically, even above last year's MVP level.

Of course, there are types of shots that Jordan could make better than Curry and no one is seriously arguing that Curry has the same amount of hangtime, and body control to make the contorted type of jumpshots that Jordan made. But that doesn't mean that Curry isn't an incredible scoring threat from all angles of the floor. He's a far better three point shooter than Jordan, although Jordan gets way underrated here and shot them particularly well in the clutch. Even though Curry isn't as quick or explosive as Jordan, he has overall more sophisticated and better handles than Jordan (along with almost every other player in history) and is still very quick, which also allows him to shoot very good percentages from mid range and in finishing, along with his excellent floaters, finger rolls, and stop and pop game.

You really REALLY don't have to try so hard to make Jordan the best at every aspect of the game. No player in history can meet that standard. Try to be more objective and you'll start to be taken more seriously by true fans of the game. I also believe Jordan's the GOAT. That doesn't mean someone can't eventually supplant him, nor does it mean he's automatically the best at any and every part of the game.

[Replay32]

What's the point of this thread? Curry can barely dunk and he's 6'3". He's doesn't jump high.

I thought the objective in basketball on the offensive end is to put the ball in the basket. Curry is pretty good at it. LOL. And his handles are ridiculous. He's primarily a point guard. Two different players that play two different positions.

This thread is :facepalm

Also this 3ball character is :facepalm

[Dragonyeuw]

This whole thread is idiotic, and I don't throw out such words lightly. 3ball sometimes had good insights but usually these types of threads generate nothing but Jordan hatred because 3ball comes off as so insecure and paranoid.

3ball it's ok ... really. No one is really believing that 15 games into the season makes Curry a better scorer or overall player than Jordan. Sure there have been some overreactions to his play so far, but really Curry deserves a huge amount of credit for improving his game (so far) dramatically, even above last year's MVP level.

Of course, there are types of shots that Jordan could make better than Curry and no one is seriously arguing that Curry has the same amount of hangtime, and body control to make the contorted type of jumpshots that Jordan made. But that doesn't mean that Curry isn't an incredible scoring threat from all angles of the floor. He's a far better three point shooter than Jordan, although Jordan gets way underrated here and shot them particularly well in the clutch. Even though Curry isn't as quick or explosive as Jordan, he has overall more sophisticated and better handles than Jordan (along with almost every other player in history) and is still very quick, which also allows him to shoot very good percentages from mid range and in finishing, along with his excellent floaters, finger rolls, and stop and pop game.

You really REALLY don't have to try so hard to make Jordan the best at every aspect of the game. No player in history can meet that standard. Try to be more objective and you'll start to be taken more seriously by true fans of the game. I also believe Jordan's the GOAT. That doesn't mean someone can't eventually supplant him, nor does it mean he's automatically the best at any and every part of the game.

Exactly. Lots of players shoot better, dribble better, rebound better, pass better. MJ is GOAT because he did all these things at a high/elite level, not because he was the best at everything.

[3ball]

:lol

[3ball]

Exactly. Lots of players shoot better, dribble better, rebound better, pass better. MJ is GOAT because he did all these things at a high/elite level, not because he was the best at everything.



Things that MJ is the best at:


He's the best scorer of all time.

He's the best clutch player of all time.

He's the best post-up player of all time, among non-big men.

He's the best off-ball player of all time (him or Bird)

He's the most efficient, high volume scorer of all time, BY FAR.

He's the best scorer-passer of all time (as measured by ppg + apg)

He's the best halfcourt dunker of all time, among non-bigs.

He has the best turnaround jumper and fadeaway of all time (his patented fadeaway)

He has the best lean-in dunk of all time (he originated the lean-in dunk)

His instincts are goat, and he's the best QUICK decision-maker of all time (him or Bird)

MJ and Bird's game fostered the best chemistry of all time (the Bulls had goat chemistry, and MJ's league-leading scoring was the biggest component of the Bulls' offense - his quick-decision, versatile scoring was the lynchpin for that goat chemistry)

He's arguably the best 2-point jumpshooter of all time (he made more 2-point jumpers than anyone each season, at high efficiency............ and more highly-contested than anyone else)

And finally - as the thread shows - MJ is the best hangtime jumpshooter ever (I would argue he's the ONLY real hangtime jumpshooter - he's the only guy that regularly took these shots - his hangtime jumpshots are an indication of his one-of-a-kind skill/athleticism).


If you disagree with any of these, provide a name of someone who's better... but don't embarrass yourself.
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[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Things that MJ is the best at:


He's the best scorer of all time.

He's the best clutch player of all time.

He's the best post-up player of all time, among non-big men.

He's the best off-ball player of all time (him or Bird)

He's the most efficient, high volume scorer of all time, BY FAR.

He's the best scorer-passer of all time (as measured by ppg + apg)

He's the best halfcourt dunker of all time, among non-bigs.

He has the best turnaround jumper and fadeaway of all time (his patented fadeaway)

He has the best lean-in dunk of all time (he originated the lean-in dunk)

His instincts are goat, and he's the best QUICK decision-maker of all time (him or Bird)

MJ and Bird's game fostered the best chemistry of all time (the Bulls had goat chemistry, and MJ's league-leading scoring was the biggest component of the Bulls' offense - his quick-decision, versatile scoring was the lynchpin for that goat chemistry)

He's arguably the best 2-point jumpshooter of all time (he made more 2-point jumpers than anyone each season, at high efficiency............ and more highly-contested than anyone else)

And finally - as the thread shows - MJ is the best hangtime jumpshooter ever (I would argue he's the ONLY real hangtime jumpshooter - he's the only guy that regularly took these shots - his hangtime jumpshots are an indication of his one-of-a-kind skill/athleticism).


If you disagree with any of these, provide a name of someone who's better... but don't embarrass yourself.
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Where were you? I was feeling Insecure 2 hours ago? What do I even pay you for?:biggums: :biggums: :coleman: :coleman:

[Segatti]

Just imagine if Jordan had to face double teams off the ball every single game like Curry

Jordan stans in damage control cause Curry is more efficient playing against better defenses :lol :lol

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-24-2015/QvXF8J.gif


MJ was often double-teamed on literally every possession.. Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark - the consecutive double-teams are shown in rapid succession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s



During the Bulls-Pistons series, the Pistons' 4th quarter policy was to double-team MJ every single time he touched the ball.. Here's an examle from Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88



The youtube channel "Nobody Touches Jordan" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk)) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown if gifs here:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11792377&postcount=161



Here's the New York Times on Jordan, 1987:


"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double-triple teaming to average 37.1 points a game."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9_GKFNL9E&t=0m49s



Even on the post, MJ was double-teamed equally - here's a Shaq post video that shows him being doubled 33 of 62 times he caught the ball on the post (53%) compared to 52 of 103 in the MJ post video (50%).


SHAQ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxZs7dwCO8
MJ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg


However, MJ got doubled all over the court, not just on the post - MJ's danger from anywhere on the court resulted in teams often doubling him 10+ possessions in a row, as various videos in the OP showed.. This type of every-possession double teams for 10 consecutive possessions never happened for Shaq, not even in the 2000 Finals.



By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... So in comparison to MJ getting double-teamed 12 times in a single quarter, Lebron was doubled 3 times per game.


"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team

[3ball]

Just imagine if Jordan had to face double teams off the ball every single game like Curry

Jordan stans in damage control cause Curry is more efficient playing against better defenses :lol :lol
You're delusional - players without the ball don't face double-teams outside the paint, because that gives up a free layup.

Also, MJ was double-teamed more times in 1 game than guys like Lebron and Curry are doubled for an entire series - this is statistical fact - see previous post

[Wade's Rings]

@3ball during the '05-'07 era were you hating on Wade? During the '05-'10 era were hating on Kobe?

Edit: Did you also hate on Shaq when he was dominating and 3-peating?

[ShaqTwizzle]

Jordan shoot better dan Curry.......

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/1llhill/Mobile%20Uploads/Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office_zps54021bf8.gif

[3ball]

@3ball during the '05-'07 era were you hating on Wade? During the '05-'10 era were hating on Kobe?
I was a kobe-hater for a while, but only when hanging out with friends..

I wasn't really on the internet back then for social purposes and wasn't even aware this kind of stuff (forums) existed until pretty much 2014.

[3ball]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/1llhill/Mobile%20Uploads/Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office_zps54021bf8.gif
MJ shoots a better 2-point percentage, at FAR higher volume.

So he's a MUCH better 2-point shooter and shotmaker than Curry - it isn't remotely close...

A lot of guys are better 2-point shooters than Curry... Bird for one..

[J Shuttlesworth]

MJ shoots a better 2-point percentage, at FAR higher volume.

So he's a MUCH better 2-point shooter and shotmaker than Curry - it isn't remotely close...

A lot of guys are better 2-point shooters than Curry... Bird for one..
Nobody gives a ****, because Curry excels at 3's, and 3 > 2

That's the reason Curry is averaging 33 ppg on less shots than MJ. Curry is taking 21 shots a game right now. Jordan averaged 23 shots per game for his 30 ppg career. Jordan never reached efficiency like Curry... 33 ppg on 21 shots, and .690 TS :biggums:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/1llhill/Mobile%20Uploads/Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office_zps54021bf8.gif

3ball is getting ethered left and right it's hilarious. :lol :roll:

[Smoke117]

I was a kobe-hater for a while, but only when hanging out with friends..

I wasn't really on the internet back then for social purposes and wasn't even aware this kind of stuff (forums) existed until pretty much 2014.

You must be an old man if you didn't know basketball forums existed till 2014. We can at least now conclude that your behavior is do to dementia.

[SpecialQue]

This nig is working overtime to get ISH to hate Jordan.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Things that MJ is the best at:

He's the best scorer of all time.
Yes, most likely so.

He's the best clutch player of all time.
He's top3 at least, alongside Bird and maybe West.

He's the best post-up player of all time, among non-big men.
No, he's not... Strictly scoring? It's Adrian Dantley... Overall? Probably Bird.

He's the best off-ball player of all time (him or Bird)
Bird's the best most likely, and while Jordan was terrific at it I don't think I'd even put him at #2 there.

He's the most efficient, high volume scorer of all time, BY FAR.
BY FAR is an overstatement though.

He's the best scorer-passer of all time (as measured by ppg + apg)
Has a case but so do - extremely few - others.

He's the best halfcourt dunker of all time, among non-bigs.
Has a great case but it's still pretty debatable.

He has the best turnaround jumper and fadeaway of all time (his patented fadeaway)
Has a case... Plenty of others had elite fadeaways before though :confusedshrug:

He has the best lean-in dunk of all time (he originated the lean-in dunk)
Seen Dr J do some lean-ins before, for example... And right now you're just reaching, coming up with "categories" such as lean-in dunking and shit :rolleyes:

His instincts are goat, and he's the best QUICK decision-maker of all time (him or Bird)
Probably Bird, yea.

MJ and Bird's game fostered the best chemistry of all time (the Bulls had goat chemistry, and MJ's league-leading scoring was the biggest component of the Bulls' offense - his quick-decision, versatile scoring was the lynchpin for that goat chemistry)

He's arguably the best 2-point jumpshooter of all time (he made more 2-point jumpers than anyone each season, at high efficiency............ and more highly-contested than anyone else)

And finally - as the thread shows - MJ is the best hangtime jumpshooter ever (I would argue he's the ONLY real hangtime jumpshooter - he's the only guy that regularly took these shots - his hangtime jumpshots are an indication of his one-of-a-kind skill/athleticism).
Agreed.

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[diamenz]

Just imagine if Jordan had to face double teams off the ball every single game like Curry

Jordan stans in damage control cause Curry is more efficient playing against better defenses :lol :lol

stans? don't get it twisted - 3ball is the only one hating on curry.

[3ball]

1) MJ is top 3 clutch, alongside Bird and maybe West.

2) Bird's the best most likely the best off-ball player... Jordan was terrific, but I don't think I'd even put him at #2 there.

3) MJ has a case for best fadeaway, but plenty of others had elite fadeaways before though


No one hit more clutch shots than Jordan... It's not close.. Sorry, but Bird doesn't compare.. Bird himself agrees.

Same thing with MJ's off-ball game.. MJ averaged 37 ppg playing off-ball... Let me know when someone else does that.. Same thing with his fadeaway - other guys have good fadeaways, but MJ's is the best.





Regarding lean-in dunks - I've seen Dr J do some lean-ins before, for example... Right now you're just reaching, coming up with "categories" such as lean-in dunking and shit


MJ basically invented the lean-in dunk - the 90's is when everyone started doing that dunk as a standard, not before.

You probably never played HS ball, AAU, or D1 college ball, so you don't know how much of a big deal it was.. Every player tried to imitate MJ's lean-in... MJ is the reason that the dunk is now standard for almost every wing player.





MJ is the most efficient, high volume scorer ever, but BY FAR is an overstatement though.


It's statistical fact that Jordan is BY FAR the most efficient, high volume scorer of all time... He averaged 25.1 fga in the playoffs on 49%... No one comes close to this.
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[3ball]

M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 51.5 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg




Jordan never reached efficiency like Curry... .686 TS


TS is affected by the degree of 3-point shooting volume, so it isn't the primary efficiency measure.

Points-per-possession is the primary efficiency measure - everyone knows this - that's what all your favorite stat-bots lames use (Zach Lowe, etc)

And MJ's points-per-possession destroys Curry, as you can see above.

[3ball]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZkiVauQdlJy92/giphy.gif


fadeaways arent hangtime jumpers yet you post this and call it one,




As the gif above shows, there isn't a single player in history with that kind of hangtime - MJ is the only player that can even ATTEMPT these shots regularly:


https://media.giphy.com/media/YYwjPXB6tbMjK/giphy.gif

[ShawkFactory]

TS is affected by the degree of 3-point shooting volume, so it isn't the primary efficiency measure.

Points-per-possession is the primary efficiency measure - everyone knows this - that's what all your favorite stat-bots lames use (Zach Lowe, etc)

And MJ's points-per-possession destroys Curry, as you can see above.
And it's also affected by the degree of 3 pointer made. Something curry is rather good at.

[Dragonyeuw]

Things that MJ is the best at:


He's the best scorer of all time.

He's the best clutch player of all time.

He's the best post-up player of all time, among non-big men.

He's the best off-ball player of all time (him or Bird)

He's the most efficient, high volume scorer of all time, BY FAR.

He's the best scorer-passer of all time (as measured by ppg + apg)

He's the best halfcourt dunker of all time, among non-bigs.

He has the best turnaround jumper and fadeaway of all time (his patented fadeaway)

He has the best lean-in dunk of all time (he originated the lean-in dunk)

His instincts are goat, and he's the best QUICK decision-maker of all time (him or Bird)

MJ and Bird's game fostered the best chemistry of all time (the Bulls had goat chemistry, and MJ's league-leading scoring was the biggest component of the Bulls' offense - his quick-decision, versatile scoring was the lynchpin for that goat chemistry)

He's arguably the best 2-point jumpshooter of all time (he made more 2-point jumpers than anyone each season, at high efficiency............ and more highly-contested than anyone else)

And finally - as the thread shows - MJ is the best hangtime jumpshooter ever (I would argue he's the ONLY real hangtime jumpshooter - he's the only guy that regularly took these shots - his hangtime jumpshots are an indication of his one-of-a-kind skill/athleticism).


If you disagree with any of these, provide a name of someone who's better... but don't embarrass yourself.
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He's not the best shooter. Not the best dribbler. Not the best passer. Not the best rebounder. This is both in general and relevance to other perimeter players. Your list has no relevance to what I said. Obviously there are things he's 'the best' at, either arguably or in-arguably.

[3ball]

M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 51.5 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg




TS is also affected by the degree of 3 pointer made. Something curry is rather good at.


Who cares.. Points-per-possession is the primary efficiency measure - everyone knows this - that's what all your favorite stat-bots lames use (Zach Lowe, etc)

And MJ's points-per-possession destroys Curry, as you can see above.

[3ball]

He's not the best shooter.


MJ made more 2-point jumpshots than anyone every season, at high efficiency.. Based on this fact, he's arguably the best 2-point jumpshooter of all time.





He's not the best passer.


As for passing, he's the best scorer-passer of all-time, based PPG + APG, which are the two stats measuring scoring and passing... :hammerhead:

MJ is a far better passer than Curry... Should we compare their stats at PG?... Just let me know if you want to do that... :oldlol:

Btw, I omitted a big one - MJ's the greatest two-way player - according to Pop, MJ is the standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11891905&postcount=104) for two-way play... :confusedshrug:

[Dragonyeuw]

MJ made more 2-point jumpshots than anyone every season, at high efficiency.. Based on this fact, he's arguably the best 2-point jumpshooter of all time.

As for passing, he's the best scorer-passer of all-time, based ppg + apg, which are the two stats measuring scoring and passing... :hammerhead:

He's a way better passer than Curry... Should we compare their stats at PG?... Just let me know if you want to do that... :oldlol:

Btw, I omitted a big one - MJ's the greatest two-way player - according to Pop, MJ is the standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11891905&postcount=104) for two-way play... :confusedshrug:


He's not the best shooter. He's not the best passer. No-one said anything about 'scorer-passer', that's an arbitrary category you're making up. There's no stat measuring the two together, stop it.

Did I compare his passing to Curry? No? So why the fcuk are you bringing that comparison up?

Would you like to make an argument that he's the best scorer-dribbler? Let's see the advanced stats on that.

[90sgoat]

He's not the best shooter. Not the best dribbler. Not the best passer. Not the best rebounder. This is both in general and relevance to other perimeter players. Your list has no relevance to what I said. Obviously there are things he's 'the best' at, either arguably or in-arguably.

Funny how someone who isn't the best at anything is in a league of his own in playoff and finals scoring.

You're a moron.

MJ and Kareem are the only players in history to have a truly unblockable move (fade and skyhook - no Dirk got blocked plenty). Do you understand that? The MJ fadeaway was literally unstoppable.

[Dragonyeuw]

Funny how someone who isn't the best at anything is in a league of his own in playoff and finals scoring.

You're a moron.

MJ and Kareem are the only players in history to have a truly unblockable move (fade and skyhook - no Dirk got blocked plenty). Do you understand that? The MJ fadeaway was literally unstoppable.

Speaking of moron:

"Obviously there are things he's 'the best' at, either arguably or in-arguably."

So in the same breath you call me a moron, you overlook a pretty clear statement that MJ does have cases in a number of areas as 'the best'. Learn to read, ****.

[ShawkFactory]

Who cares.. Points-per-possession is the primary efficiency measure - everyone knows this - that's what all your favorite stat-bots lames use (Zach Lowe, etc)

And MJ's points-per-possession destroys Curry, as you can see above.
Not really. Since steph is less likely to shoot in any given possession.

[ShawkFactory]

And anyway, the best measure of efficiency (according to you from a while back at least) is point per shot.

Jordan in 1988: 1.43
Steph this year: 1.52

Ouch

[3ball]

M Jordan January 1988 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1988/#210-224-sum:pgl_basic): 34.3 ppg.. 7.1 apg.. 3.9 spg.. 2.2 bpg.. 58.9 fg.. 64.8 ts.. 132 ortg
Curry 2016 (14 games): 33.6 ppg.. 5.6 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 51.5 fg.. 68.6 ts.. 124 ortg




And anyway, the best measure of efficiency is point per shot.

Jordan in 1988: 1.43
Steph this year: 1.52


Nah, it's points per POSSESSION that matters, not just shots..

And MJ's points-per-possession is much higher - he scored 1.32 points per possession to Curry's 1.24 (132 ORtg for MJ > Curry's 124)

Sorry bud... MJ scored more per possession than Curry.

(btw, I would never say points-per-shot is more important than points per possession - because obviously, that's dumb.. so you're confusing me with someone else).

[ShawkFactory]

Nah, it's points per POSSESSION that matters, not just shots..

And MJ's points-per-possession is much higher - he scored 1.32 points per possession to Curry's 1.24 (132 ORtg for MJ > Curry's 124)

Sorry bud... MJ scored more per possession than Curry.

(btw, I would never say points-per-shot is more important than points per possession - because obviously, that's dumb.. so you're confusing me with someone else).
Again, because he's less likely to shoot in any given possession.

It's not a good measure of a certain players efficiency. Especially since one is a PG and the other is not.

Douche.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Nah, it's points per POSSESSION that matters, not just shots..

And MJ's points-per-possession is much higher - he scored 1.32 points per possession to Curry's 1.24 (132 ORtg for MJ > Curry's 124)

Sorry bud... MJ scored more per possession than Curry.

(btw, I would never say points-per-shot is more important than points per possession - because obviously, that's dumb.. so you're confusing me with someone else).

How does points per possession matter more when Curry is less likely to shoot per possession, because of the offensive system?

[ShawkFactory]

How does points per possession matter more when Curry is less likely to shoot per possession, because of the offensive system?
As he fosters that chemistry that 3vall loves to talk about Jordan doing :lol

[3ball]

As he fosters that chemistry that 3vall loves to talk about Jordan doing :lol


ORtg is actually POINTS PRODUCED per 100 possessions, so it includes assists.

MJ produced more points per possession for his team than Curry - it's a fact.

Man, I'm destroying you guys over and over itt.. It's fun

[ShawkFactory]

ORtg is actually POINTS PRODUCED per 100 possessions, so it includes assists.

MJ produced more points per possession for his team than Curry - it's a fact.

Man, I'm destroying you guys over and over itt.. It's fun
Fostering chemistry means only the amount of assists you get? Hmmm...interesting....

[3ball]

Fostering chemistry means only the amount of assists you get? Hmmm...interesting....



No, it's about being the biggest component (by far) of an offense that had goat chemistry and a team that won the most games in history:


.............Bulls PPG in 1996:


................ RS.......... PO

Jordan...... 30.4........ 30.7
Pippen...... 19.1........ 16.9
Kukoc....... 13.1........ 10.8
Longley...... 9.1.......... 8.4
Harper....... 7.4.......... 8.8
Rodman..... 5.5.......... 7.5
S Kerr........ 8.4......... 6.8
Wenngton... 5.3.......... 3.0

:confusedshrug:

I've considered making a thread giving props to Bird, Curry and MJ for being the leader of teams that had goat chemistry.. But MJ is actually in another league, even from Bird and Curry - as the PPG stats show above, MJ comprised a much bigger proportion of his team's offense than Bird and Curry's teams, who were more well-balanced/stacked.

Btw, the dominance of the triangle cannot be realized without a player capable of getting 30 ppg WITHIN the triangle - MJ, Shaq and Kobe all averaged 30 ppg+ during their championship years and runs.. The triangle also requires a dominant post presence (MJ, Shaq, Pau).
.

[ShawkFactory]

:facepalm

[3ball]

:facepalm


Translation: I can't **** with that last post.. No mas


UNCOMFORTABLE FACT FOR HATERS:

MJ was the biggest component (by far) of an offense that had goat chemistry and a team that won the most games in history.

There's no better proof that MJ's quick-decision, versatile scoring fostered the best chemistry.

[ShawkFactory]

Translation: I can't **** with that last post.. No mas
Saying things like that over and over again doesn't make them real

[3ball]

Saying things like that over and over again doesn't make them real
Just makes them even more unrefuted

And by repeating the facts, I'm rubbing salt in the wound

Indeed - it is a fact - MJ was the biggest component (by far) of an offense that had goat chemistry and a team that won the most games in history.

[ShawkFactory]

Just makes them even more unrefuted

And by repeating the facts, I'm rubbing salt in the wound

Indeed - it is a fact - MJ was the biggest component (by far) of an offense that had goat chemistry and a team that won the most games in history.
It's been so fun watching you just turn into a blatant troll :oldlol:

[sd3035]

Pippen carried Jordan

Curry would be 82-0 with Pip

[3ball]

It's been so fun watching you just turn into a blatant troll :oldlol:


Obviously not, since you were refuting me point for point, until I brought up the irrefutable point: MJ fostered the best chemistry.

But it sounds like you DON'T think MJ fostered the best chemistry, even though he was the biggest component of an offense that had goat chemistry and won the most games in history... That makes you the troll, not me.


https://media.giphy.com/media/LjRSJ9M0pwuPu/giphy.gif

[HenryGarfunkle]

Obviously not, since you were refuting me point for point, until I brought up the irrefutable point: MJ fostered the best chemistry.

But it sounds like you DON'T think MJ fostered the best chemistry, even though he was the biggest component of an offense that had goat chemistry and won the most games in history... That makes you the troll, not me.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rZe780G1oWI/hqdefault.jpg
So when the Warriors break that record this year, which they will, you think Green will take Jordans place as GOAT?

He will have fostered the GOAT chemistry on a team with the most wins.

[oarabbus]

Pippen carried Jordan

Curry would be 82-0 with Pip

Imagine if you replaced Barnes with Pippen :eek:

Jordan carried af

[BoutPractice]

What an utterly absurd thread.

Here's another play Steph Curry can't make, while we're at it:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3583649/shaq-shoryukens-dudley-o.gif

[Asukal]

Comparing apples to oranges, 3ball is an idiot. :whatever:

[ShawkFactory]

So when the Warriors break that record this year, which they will, you think Green will take Jordans place as GOAT?

He will have fostered the GOAT chemistry on a team with the most wins.
:roll: :roll:

The best part is I never said shit about MJs ability to foster chemistry.

He just saw that I said someone else does it very well and he was like, "huh?...MJ"

[swagga]

What an utterly absurd thread.

Here's another play Steph Curry can't make, while we're at it:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3583649/shaq-shoryukens-dudley-o.gif

but MJ could :applause:

[3ball]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3583649/shaq-shoryukens-dudley-o.gif


Absurd thread - here's another play Steph Curry can't make, while we're at it




^^^^ That isn't a jumpshot... This thread is about jumpshots and MJ made a super-ton that Curry couldn't dream of making, like this:


https://media.giphy.com/media/13OKvTr2cwcYJa/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/RWVUpRxbGzK5G/giphy.gif



Curry simply doesn't have enough hangtime - no one does except MJ:


https://media.giphy.com/media/ZO6EtK8V5y2wo/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Draymond Green fosters chemistry, so when the Warriors break that record this year, you think Green will take Jordans place as GOAT?


Role players don't foster chemistry as much as the #1 option - the #1 option always has the biggest influence on a team's chemistry since they're the biggest component of the offense.

Therefore, it's CURRY who fosters goat chemistry far more than Green does - this isn't surprising, since Curry gets his a lot of buckets OFF-BALL, just like MJ did - off-ball play gives teammates "equal-opportunity" with the ball.

Curry's offense lays the foundation for the team and allows other players like Green to find their role within the offense... If MJ or Curry were ball-dominant players, they wouldn't foster goat chemistry because guys like Green wouldn't get to handle the rock.

[3ball]

Imagine if you replaced Barnes with Pippen :eek:

Jordan carried af


When Curry won the championship last year, he only scored 21% of his teams points.

Let's compare to Jordan - alongside Pippen, Jordan needed to score 29% of his teams points for all six championships..

You're done

[3ball]

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[Uncle Drew]

Here's a shot Jordan can't make:

https://i.gifer.com/Izrc.gif

[3ball]

Here's a shot Jordan can't make:

https://i.gifer.com/Izrc.gif


^^^ MJ can make all those.. his 30-footers looked like FT's


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-03-2019/zbZl-J.gif

[colts19]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/McLuKl.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/BPuQS38pmBicU/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/xYooZyhilqRvG/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/t5qbCYwmWVWRG/giphy.gif


MJ is the only player in history that routinely took hangtime jumpshots as a regular part of his game - he has hundreds of these, in addition to all the highly-contested fadeaways and pullups.

A huge proportion of MJ's league-leading scoring consisted of jumpers - he probably made more jumpshots each season than anyone else in the NBA, at elite efficiency too.. This means he's simply one of the greatest jumpshooters of all time - he's by far the best jumshooter out of anyone that could double pump from the ft line.

2nd place would be Bernard King.

[FireDavidKahn]

3ball is the worst Jordanphile around.

[warriorfan]

3ball is the worst Jordanphile around.

https://i.postimg.cc/8PS6hshT/E17-E8-C24-A946-436-B-9-C53-0719-E394-E73-C.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/SRqxz2H5/D8-CB6587-77-BA-4147-8071-7841-C7509-A9-A.jpg


Yeah...