Porzingis or Whiteside

[Real14]

Which one is tha better player?

I pick Porzingis.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Right now, Whiteside. Provides better defense, scores more, more blocks, more rebounds... not even really a debate

In like 2 years, I think Porzingis will be better though. He's more offensively skilled

[SavageMode]

Kobe

[oarabbus]

Porzingis can shoot the 3, has a nice jumper and can shoot hook shots with BOTH hands. In just 13 games in the NBA at 20 years old.

Whiteside is better today because of his great rim protection but in a year, maybe two it'll be Porzingis no contest.

[FKAri]

I really hope Porzingis doesn't get injured man. I also hope Embid comes back. Don't want to be robbed of greatness.

[pastis]

porzingis.. prozingis can develop into a franchise player. tha means, scoring consistently over 20 points while being the focus by the opponents defense. the go to guy.

whiteside will be a very good defensive anchor, but i dont see him taking over the games on offense and becoming a real franchise player.

give me prozingis all day. he also has the potential becoming an all-defense player as well

[masonanddixon]

Porzingis. This is a joke of a comparison.

One guy has defensive potential with no offensive talent, the other has elite offensive and defensive potential.

[bdreason]

Long term give me Porzingis. Don't forget that Whiteside is a major headcase.

[FKAri]

Long term give me Porzingis. Don't forget that Whiteside is a major headcase.

How so?

[OmniStrife]

One is a potential all-star.
The other is a GOD.

[Akrazotile]

i'll go with the white side, rather than whiteside.

but it's close.

[Akrazotile]

How so?


Ya serious?

[aj1987]

Long term give me Porzingis. Don't forget that Whiteside is a major headcase.
:biggums: :biggums:

One has played decently in like 10 games and the other one is definitely making the All-Defensive team and will be an All-Star as well.

You guys do realize that Whiteside is only 26 and that he doesn't really rely upon his athleticism, right?

KP might end up having a much better career, but without hindsight and right now, I'd take Whiteside in a heartbeat.

[Dresta]

People have some kind of natural bias against Whiteside, maybe because he wasn't a high pick, or because he came out of nowhere. What he is doing this season is unprecedented since Mutombo or D-Rob, but you wouldn't think it, based on how he is evaluated. Last season it was all 'just wait till teams scout and plan for him blablabla, this is a flash in the pan, not his actual ability, and his numbers will fill off' - now that teams are planning excessively for him, and he's still dominating it's 'he not got offensive game' and 'he's already in his prime - he won't improve' despite his still being a very inexperienced NBA player.

Meanwhile, Porzingis is an out-and-out born stud after a dozen game sample size. Dat logic :bowdown:

[FKAri]

Y'all didn't answer me. How is he a headcase? I don't really know of his past issues. Thought I vaguely remember there were issues which is why his draft stock dropped.

[masonanddixon]

People have some kind of natural bias against Whiteside, maybe because he wasn't a high pick, or because he came out of nowhere. What he is doing this season is unprecedented since Mutombo or D-Rob, but you wouldn't think it, based on how he is evaluated. Last season it was all 'just wait till teams scout and plan for him blablabla, this is a flash in the pan, not his actual ability, and his numbers will fill off' - now that teams are planning excessively for him, and he's still dominating it's 'he not got offensive game' and 'he's already in his prime - he won't improve' despite his still being a very inexperienced NBA player.

Meanwhile, Porzingis is an out-and-out born stud after a dozen game sample size. Dat logic :bowdown:

Are you honestly that impressed by Whiteside? He's a worse version of Alonzo Mourning, which is still good. i think people like you find hot headed guys like Whiteside or Sheed impressive because you think there's some hidden talent in there when the reality is they will always be inconsistent.

[aj1987]

Are you honestly that impressed by Whiteside? He's a worse version of Alonzo Mourning, which is still good. i think people like you find hot headed guys like Whiteside or Sheed impressive because you think there's some hidden talent in there when the reality is they will always be inconsistent.
Are you really this stupid? Whiteside might be a worse version of Zo, but he's clearly a top 3 defender in the league. Dude's averaging 15/11/5 on 63% and he has actually been mediocre on the offensive end and on rebounds this season.

How's the Aussie version of the KKK working out for you though?

[iznogood]

Right now, Whiteside. Provides better defense, scores more, more blocks, more rebounds... not even really a debate

Whiteside's rim protection is amazing, but he's not a very good overall defender in my opinion. His court awareness and positioning are not very good, but he makes up for it with his great athleticism. I'm not sure if he's really a clearly better defender.

[masonanddixon]

Are you really this stupid? Whiteside might be a worse version of Zo, but he's clearly a top 3 defender in the league. Dude's averaging 15/11/5 on 63% and he has actually been mediocre on the offensive end and on rebounds this season.

How's the Aussie version of the KKK working out for you though?

lol I love how you say 15/11/5 like those are mindblowing numbers...dude is the 5th option on a stacked starting 5 and in the East and is a mediocre post defender.

This has nothing do with race and everything to do with knowledge of the sport. Anyone who think Whiteside will end up better than Porzingis needs to be sent back to the farm.

[masonanddixon]

Whiteside's rim protection is amazing, but he's not a very good overall defender in my opinion. His court awareness and positioning are not very good, but he makes up for it with his great athleticism. I'm not sure if he's really a clearly better defender.

EXACTLY. This is how you can tell if someone actually knows the game. Yes he is a great rim protector but his man defense is lacking. Anyone who uses stats to make a point about defensive ability clearly has no understanding of the game.

[Smoke117]

EXACTLY. This is how you can tell if someone actually knows the game. Yes he is a great rim protector but his man defense is lacking. Anyone who uses stats to make a point about defensive ability clearly has no understanding of the game.

Rim protection is much more important than one on one defense for a big man. I've said it myself that he's a mediocre one on one defensive player, but that matters little in this league where there are so very few centers that can score anyway. Just his presence deters players from attacking the basket. You think the Heat are 2nd in the league because of Chris Bosh, Justice Winslow, or Wade? No, were 2nd in the league because of Hassan Whiteside. You don't know as much about the game as you think you do if you don't think he has one of the 2 or 3 biggest impacts on the defensive end this season.

Not to downplay the contributions of those other guys (including deng) defensive efforts...but he is the one whose impact is by far the highest on the team. No one can carry a team to 2nd in the league by themselves, after all.

[masonanddixon]

Rim protection is much more important than one on one defense for a big man. I've said it myself that he's a mediocre one on one defensive player, but that matters little in this league where there are so very few centers that can score anyway. Just his presence deters players from attacking the basket. You think the Heat are 2nd in the league because of Chris Bosh, Justice Winslow, or Wade? No, were 2nd in the league because of Hassan Whiteside. You don't know as much about the game as you think you do if you don't think he has one of the 2 or 3 biggest impacts on the defensive end this season.

No, I never said he doesn't have a great defensive impact. But I can assure that in the playoffs teams will involve him in every single pick and roll situation and absolutely rape him. Thats how you get rid of a rim protector who is a poor man defender.

[aj1987]

lol I love how you say 15/11/5 like those are mindblowing numbers...dude is the 5th option on a stacked starting 5 and in the East and is a mediocre post defender.

This has nothing do with race and everything to do with knowledge of the sport. Anyone who think Whiteside will end up better than Porzingis needs to be sent back to the farm.
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David Duke, I think you need to actually watch the games to understand Whiteside's impact. Dude was one of the main reasons why the Heat blew out the Knicks. Again, on 3 possessions he guarded KP. Block, foul, and a miss. He's gonna make the All-Def team and the All-Star team this season.

[plowking]

Whiteside is better now. Not a question.

As far as potential? Probably Porn dude. Can do more things on the court, but he'll never be as good as Whiteside defensively.

[masonanddixon]

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David Duke, I think you need to actually watch the games to understand Whiteside's impact. Dude was one of the main reasons why the Heat blew out the Knicks. Again, on 3 possessions he guarded KP. Block, foul, and a miss. He's gonna make the All-Def team and the All-Star team this season.

Yeah that or the fact NY was playing its 4th game in 5 nights.

[bdreason]

:biggums: :biggums:

One has played decently in like 10 games and the other one is definitely making the All-Defensive team and will be an All-Star as well.

You guys do realize that Whiteside is only 26 and that he doesn't really rely upon his athleticism, right?

KP might end up having a much better career, but without hindsight and right now, I'd take Whiteside in a heartbeat.


I clearly said long term.


Today I would take Whiteside, but I'm not sold on his attitude and character. I want to see how he responds to his first large, long-term, guaranteed contract.

[aj1987]

Yeah that or the fact NY was playing its 4th game in 5 nights.
Whatever your delusion is, David Duke.

[masonanddixon]

Whatever your delusion is, David Duke.

What an idiotic response.

[FKAri]

So y'all still gonna ignore my question while continuing to argue with a known troll who has a fetish for white guys.

[aj1987]

I clearly said long term.


Today I would take Whiteside, but I'm not sold on his attitude and character. I want to see how he responds to his first large, long-term, guaranteed contract.
Whiteside is actually a proven player. KP has had like 6 good-decent games in this far. Dude is still 26. Him being a "head case" is a bit overblown. I'd take a 26 year old, who plays DPOY defense along with 15 PPG and 10+ RPG any day over an unproven rookie.



What an idiotic response.
What else do you want me to say? Post in game footage? Stats? Advanced stats?

Whiteside >>>>>>>> KP

The guy is still an unproven rookie. If he can actually maintain the same level of play till the ASG, then we can talk.


So y'all still gonna ignore my question while continuing to argue with a known troll who has a fetish for white guys.
People think that because he got into a "fight" last season after he was getting "roughed" up a bit. He's not. It's way overblown.

[masonanddixon]

Whiteside is actually a proven player. KP has had like 6 good-decent games in this far. Dude is still 26. Him being a "head case" is a bit overblown. I'd take a 26 year old, who plays DPOY defense along with 15 PPG and 10+ RPG any day over an unproven rookie.



What else do you want me to say? Post in game footage? Stats? Advanced stats?

Whiteside >>>>>>>> KP

The guy is still an unproven rookie. If he can actually maintain the same level of play till the ASG, then we can talk.


People think that because he got into a "fight" last season after he was getting "roughed" up a bit. He's not. It's way overblown.

How is Porzingis unproven? He's already had huge games (29/14/8 at Houston) and is averaging close to a double double already and helping turn one of last seasons worst teams into an above 500 team in a tough schedule to start the season...and what has Whiteside done? His team didnt even make the postseason last year

[iznogood]

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David Duke, I think you need to actually watch the games to understand Whiteside's impact. Dude was one of the main reasons why the Heat blew out the Knicks. Again, on 3 possessions he guarded KP. Block, foul, and a miss. He's gonna make the All-Def team and the All-Star team this season.
You're right, his impact is undeniable and he might make both teams.

On the other hand, he excels at things that are easily measured (shot blocking and rebounding) the same way DeAndre Jordan does, so he might get overrated by people that don't pay attention to details. Many people thought DJ was a legitimate DPOY candidate, yet 39-years-old Tim Duncan was easily scoring and playmaking against him a whole play-off series. I would expect a DPOY / all-defense caliber player to be a better overall defender and less of a specialist. Serge Ibaka had a similar case, putting up amazing blocking numbers as a help defender. Yet he was being outplayed anytime OKC faced a team with a big who could score 1 on 1. All of the 3 players mentioned also have tendency to get faked and get into foul trouble.

I'm not trying to diminish the impact of a shot blocking big, but I don't think other (dis)abilities should get overlooked, as they often do.

[FKAri]

You're right, his impact is undeniable and he might make both teams.

On the other hand, he excels at things that are easily measured (shot blocking and rebounding) the same way DeAndre Jordan does, so he might get overrated by people that don't pay attention to details. Many people thought DJ was a legitimate DPOY candidate, yet 39-years-old Tim Duncan was easily scoring and playmaking against him a whole play-off series. I would expect a DPOY / all-defense caliber player to be a better overall defender and less of a specialist. Serge Ibaka had a similar case, putting up amazing blocking numbers as a help defender. Yet he was being outplayed anytime OKC faced a team with a big who could score 1 on 1. All of the 3 players mentioned also have tendency to get faked and get into foul trouble.

I'm not trying to diminish the impact of a shot blocking big, but I don't think other (dis)abilities should get overlooked, as they often do.

DeAndre Jordan last year was probably the most overrated player in the league. He's nothing more than a solid starter. He's a poor man's Dwight Howard. Gimme Whiteside over that dummy. Whiteside might even have better bball IQ.

[aj1987]

How is Porzingis unproven? He's already had huge games (29/14/8 at Houston) and is averaging close to a double double already and helping turn one of last seasons worst teams into an above 500 team in a tough schedule to start the season...and what has Whiteside done? His team didnt even make the postseason last year
Well, for starters, he averaging 14/9 on 52% TS and has played like 10 games and if you actually saw the Knicks/Heat game, you'd know that he basically had no impact on the game outside the firs couple of minutes.


I'm not trying to diminish the impact of a shot blocking big, but I don't think other (dis)abilities should get overlooked, as they often do.

He can't make FT's and is not a good offensive player. Neither were players like Ben, Rodman, etc.. Never denied that. Doesn't change the fact that he's only 26 and an amazing talent. Also, DJ was one of the most overrated defenders in recent memory. Dude was just overhyped because of his rebounds and blocks. Whiteside can actually shut down the paint.

[masonanddixon]

Well, for starters, he averaging 14/9 on 52% TS and has played like 10 games and if you actually saw the Knicks/Heat game, you'd know that he basically had no impact on the game outside the firs couple of minutes.


He can't make FT's and is not a good offensive player. Neither were players like Ben, Rodman, etc.. Never denied that. Doesn't change the fact that he's only 26 and an amazing talent. Also, DJ was one of the most overrated defenders in recent memory. Dude was just overhyped because of his rebounds and blocks. Whiteside can actually shut down the paint.

Holy shit just realised Whiteside is SIX years older than Porzingis and Porzingis is already basically better...unreal...by 26 Porzingis will be 5x the player Whiteside is.

[aj1987]

Holy shit just realised Whiteside is SIX years older than Porzingis and Porzingis is already basically better...unreal...by 26 Porzingis will be 5x the player Whiteside is.
You're like the Australian version of AW.

At least he doesn't pretend to be a doctor.

[masonanddixon]

You're like the Australian version of AW.

At least he doesn't pretend to be a doctor.

Whats with the ad hominems and insults?

I am a doctor and I have forgotten more about basketball than you'll know.

If you can't see why Porzingis is the better talent you need to fed some horse manure.

[aj1987]

Whats with the ad hominems and insults?

I am a doctor and I have forgotten more about basketball than you'll know.

If you can't see why Porzingis is the better talent you need to fed some horse manure.
I'll definitely feed you some, if you're in the US anytime soon. I've already explained to you like a billion times why Whiteside is a MUCH better player right now. You just chose to ignore it, you retarded ****. Incase you missed ALL the posts, I'll post them again:

Well, for starters, he averaging 14/9 on 52% TS and has played like 10 games and if you actually saw the Knicks/Heat game, you'd know that he basically had no impact on the game outside the firs couple of minutes.
Whiteside is actually a proven player. KP has had like 6 good-decent games in this far. Dude is still 26. Him being a "head case" is a bit overblown. I'd take a 26 year old, who plays DPOY defense along with 15 PPG and 10+ RPG any day over an unproven rookie.
Dude was one of the main reasons why the Heat blew out the Knicks. Again, on 3 possessions he guarded KP. Block, foul, and a miss. He's gonna make the All-Def team and the All-Star team this season.
Are you really this stupid? Whiteside might be a worse version of Zo, but he's clearly a top 3 defender in the league. Dude's averaging 15/11/5 on 63% and he has actually been mediocre on the offensive end and on rebounds this season.


Also, getting medical info off of WebMD =/= being a doctor. Maybe in the shithole where you live.

[iznogood]

He can't make FT's and is not a good offensive player. Neither were players like Ben, Rodman, etc.. Never denied that. Doesn't change the fact that he's only 26 and an amazing talent. Also, DJ was one of the most overrated defenders in recent memory. Dude was just overhyped because of his rebounds and blocks. Whiteside can actually shut down the paint.
How is he shutting the paint any different than DJ does (by blocking shots)? I also think that he's not that talented outside of his enormous athletic talent and obviously his size and length. What I mean is that he doesn't seem to have a great basketball IQ, which makes elite all-around defenders. He's also not a great communicator. I also don't think he is going to develop that ability greatly, since he's already 26 years old. He has already made tremendous improvement in his game.

What else do you think he has the ability to improve on? And I really mean that as an honest question, since you brought up talent. I think he's peaking athletically and that he is one of the guys that don't have a great feel for game and I don't think he can improve that at his age.

[masonanddixon]

I'll definitely feed you some, if you're in the US anytime soon. I've already explained to you like a billion times why Whiteside is a MUCH better player right now. You just chose to ignore it, you retarded ****. Incase you missed ALL the posts, I'll post them again:

Well, for starters, he averaging 14/9 on 52% TS and has played like 10 games and if you actually saw the Knicks/Heat game, you'd know that he basically had no impact on the game outside the firs couple of minutes.
Whiteside is actually a proven player. KP has had like 6 good-decent games in this far. Dude is still 26. Him being a "head case" is a bit overblown. I'd take a 26 year old, who plays DPOY defense along with 15 PPG and 10+ RPG any day over an unproven rookie.
Dude was one of the main reasons why the Heat blew out the Knicks. Again, on 3 possessions he guarded KP. Block, foul, and a miss. He's gonna make the All-Def team and the All-Star team this season.
Are you really this stupid? Whiteside might be a worse version of Zo, but he's clearly a top 3 defender in the league. Dude's averaging 15/11/5 on 63% and he has actually been mediocre on the offensive end and on rebounds this season.


Also, getting medical info off of WebMD =/= being a doctor. Maybe in the shithole where you live.

I'm sorry you're insecure about the fact I am a doctor. I actually think being a doctor here is much tougher than in America because it's an absolute boys club here and everyone knows everyone, whereas in America there's all sorts of AA admits and women who have no business being in the profession and doctors are a dime a dozen.

Prozingis is 14 games into his career and has already had monster games and on the road, all while playing in the biggest market in the world and coming from a third world European country. If you can't see how thats more impressive than some home grown player with years of experience in the American system, then you're just as stupid as you act on here.

[Smoke117]

You'd think Porzingis was already a 2001 Dirk the way people over hype him.

[masonanddixon]

You'd think Porzingis was already a 2001 Dirk the way people over hype him.

How do you overhype a guy who is putting up big numbers including 29-14-8 on the road in Houston as a rookie? Not to mention he's a big reason why his team already has nearly as many wins this season as they did all of last season.

[Smoke117]

How do you overhype a guy who is putting up big numbers including 29-14-8 on the road in Houston as a rookie? Not to mention he's a big reason why his team already has nearly as many wins this season as they did all of last season.

He's a rookie...he's going to be up and down the entire season. You realize you keep bringing up the same damn game, right? I can't predict the future, but a lot of rookies hit the wall the deeper we get into the season. We are about 14 games into the season...have him actually do something for half a season before you put him on a pedestal.

[BasedTom]

ISH = where brandon jennings and tyreke evans are the GOAT

[masonanddixon]

He's a rookie...he's going to be up and down the entire season. You realize you keep bringing up the same damn game, right? I can't predict the future, but a lot of rookies hit the wall the deeper we get into the season. We are about 14 games into the season...have him actually do something for half a season before you put him on a pedestal.

Yeah I never said he was the next Dirk but neither him nor Whiteside are great players right now--thats the reality. Both have a lot of potential, and I think thats what this topic is about.

There's only a handful of rookies who were outright stars in the first season--only guys I can even think of off the top of my head who I have seen are Duncan and Lebron.

[Dresta]

lol I love how you say 15/11/5 like those are mindblowing numbers...dude is the 5th option on a stacked starting 5 and in the East and is a mediocre post defender.

This has nothing do with race and everything to do with knowledge of the sport. Anyone who think Whiteside will end up better than Porzingis needs to be sent back to the farm.
Those are mind-blowing numbers; that is undeniable; those numbers haven't been averaged in 20 years. And if he's the 5th option, he's doing rather well offensively as well, because he's the third highest scorer on the team (a team that is 2nd in the East, and a good deal better than the Knicks).


And yeah, he isn't a mediocre post defender.

[Smoke117]

Yeah I never said he was the next Dirk but neither him nor Whiteside are great players right now--thats the reality. Both have a lot of potential, and I think thats what this topic is about.

There's only a handful of rookies who were outright stars in the first season--only guys I can even think of off the top of my head who I have seen are Duncan and Lebron.

Well...Whitesides impact is already great on one side of the floor and that's really all we ask of him right now. Everything else is the cherry on top.

[aj1987]

I'm sorry you're insecure about the fact I am a doctor. I actually think being a doctor here is much tougher than in America because it's an absolute boys club here and everyone knows everyone, whereas in America there's all sorts of AA admits and women who have no business being in the profession and doctors are a dime a dozen.
The medical knowledge (or the lack of it), you've displayed on here led me to believe that. If you're actually a doctor in Australia, I hope I never have to see one when I'm there. Pre-med kids know more about medicine than you do. :oldlol:


Prozingis is 14 games into his career and has already had monster games and on the road, all while playing in the biggest market in the world and coming from a third world European country. If you can't see how thats more impressive than some home grown player with years of experience in the American system, then you're just as stupid as you act on here.
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Please stop posting. You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. Absolutely none. You're beyond retarded, kid. I'm actually done talking basketball with you after this, because you seem to ignore all FACTS and go off irrelevant tangents.

FACT is, Whiteside right now is an All-Star candidate and DPOY candidate. KP is neither. He's a decent defender, but not even close to being DPOY level. Would've been one last season as well, if he played the entire season. I know that you're a racist shit who can't fathom that a black player is better than a 14/9 white rookie, but you'll get it.

As I said, Whiteside was one of the reasons why the Knicks got shut the **** down. Dude blocked KP back to his third world country. KP hasn't had that kind of impact yet on any game. I know he's a rookie and that he will/might get better, but right now Whiteside is a much better player. Since 2000, only 3 players recorded a triple-double with 10 blocks. Whiteside, Big Ben, and Mutombo are the only ones to do it multiple times.

[jimmy77x]

The medical knowledge (or the lack of it), you've displayed on here led me to believe that. If you're actually a doctor in Australia, I hope I never have to see one when I'm there. Pre-med kids know more about medicine than you do. :oldlol:


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Please stop posting. You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. Absolutely none. You're beyond retarded, kid. I'm actually done talking basketball with you after this, because you seem to ignore all FACTS and go off irrelevant tangents.

FACT is, Whiteside right now is an All-Star candidate and DPOY candidate. KP is neither. He's a decent defender, but not even close to being DPOY level. Would've been one last season as well, if he played the entire season. I know that you're a racist shit who can't fathom that a black player is better than a 14/9 white rookie, but you'll get it.

As I said, Whiteside was one of the reasons why the Knicks got shut the **** down. Dude blocked KP back to his third world country. KP hasn't had that kind of impact yet on any game. I know he's a rookie and that he will/might get better, but right now Whiteside is a much better player. Since 2000, only 3 players recorded a triple-double with 10 blocks. Whiteside, Big Ben, and Mutombo are the only ones to do it multiple times.

Heats fans delusional overrating of scrubside. He's a good rim protector/ rebounder all he will ever be. Kp has franchise player talent Whiteside does not, deal with it. Wasn't it already proven that the heat went on that huge run when Whiteside was on the bench? So why are you still spreading the lie that Whiteside somehow had some impact :lol

[aj1987]

Heats fans delusional overrating of scrubside. He's a good rim protector/ rebounder all he will ever be. Kp has franchise player talent Whiteside does not, deal with it. Wasn't it already proven that the heat went on that huge run when Whiteside was on the bench? So why are you still spreading the lie that Whiteside somehow had some impact :lol
retard77x :roll:

Whiteside >>> Porzingis and it's not even close.

[MellowYellow]

retard77x :roll:

Whiteside >>> Porzingis and it's not even close.
Right now yeah of course, but Whiteside is 26 Porzingis is 20. Whiteside is at his peak and Porzingis has a lot of room to grow.

[aj1987]

Right now yeah of course, but Whiteside is 26 Porzingis is 20. Whiteside is at his peak and Porzingis has a lot of room to grow.
You might want to go through the thread before commenting. At least try reading the post I quoted.

[bobopenguin]

at this stage, i want whiteside in lakers.
the guy is pure gem. i would even want this guy over cousins.

[pastis]

Porzingis.

Prozingis is just 20 and already versatile. He sucks lately, but he ran into the rookie wall as jackson said. nothing special.
Porzingis will be a great threat from midrange and will mix this up with a good post game, making the right decisions if he should shoot or drive to the basket.

saying that, prozingis will be a good defender as well. not as great as whiteside, but a very solid one. combined with his offensive skill-pool, i would easily take porzingis. porzingis can be a real franchise player, while whiteside will always just be a great defender.

[jimmy77x]

retard77x :roll:

Whiteside >>> Porzingis and it's not even close.

What a dumb bump :lol how long you been waiting to bump this thread. Even with kp struggling now he still has franchise player talent and Whiteside doesn't, these are facts you have to deal with. Whiteside will always just be a shot blocker/ rebounder who has to get all his points hand fed to him.

[aj1987]

What a dumb bump :lol how long you been waiting to bump this thread. Even with kp struggling now he still has franchise player talent and
I totally forgot about it until someone posted about KP today. Whiteside is a DPOY candidate and is averaging 13/12/4 in under 30 minutes a game on 62% TS and you called him "Scrubside". You didn't even watch that game and went off what someone said. Whiteside legit shutdown the Knicks and you actually would've know that if you watched the game instead of boxscore watching.

KP is 7'3" and averages 7 rebounds a game on 41% shooting. Sure, he's gonna be a franchise player though. :oldlol:


Whiteside doesn't, these are facts you have to deal with.
You do realize this is actually going to Whiteside's FIRST full season, right?


Whiteside will always just be a shot blocker/ rebounder who has to get all his points hand fed to him.
:oldlol:

You don't even watch the Knicks games?

% of shots Assisted on:

KP - 67%
Whiteside - 64.6%

KP gets assisted on more of his shots than Whiteside does.

[pastis]

so you think that Whiteside has a brighter future than Porzingis, especially when it comes to real franchise player qualities?

[aj1987]

so you think that Whiteside has a brighter future than Porzingis, especially when it comes to real franchise player qualities?
Ugh! You people can't even read. The guy was saying that Whiteside doesn't have the potential to be a franchise level player, but KP does. I'm just saying that Whiteside has pretty much the same chances of being a franchise level player as KP, if not better. I doubt KP will ever be on Whiteside's level defensively.

[pastis]

Ugh! You people can't even read. The guy was saying that Whiteside doesn't have the potential to be a franchise level player, but KP does. I'm just saying that Whiteside has pretty much the same chances of being a franchise level player as KP, if not better. I doubt KP will ever be on Whiteside's level defensively.


look what i wrote in the comment above:


Prozingis is just 20 and already versatile. He sucks lately, but he ran into the rookie wall as jackson said. nothing special.
Porzingis will be a great threat from midrange and will mix this up with a good post game, making the right decisions if he should shoot or drive to the basket.

saying that, prozingis will be a good defender as well. not as great as whiteside, but a very solid one. combined with his offensive skill-pool, i would easily take porzingis. porzingis can be a real franchise player, while whiteside will always just be a great defender.

imo porzingis has a way bigger offensive-pool and already better fundamentals in his offensive game. tha will be the great difference in the future.

[aj1987]

look what i wrote in the comment above:

imo porzingis has a way bigger offensive-pool and already better fundamentals in his offensive game. tha will be the great difference in the future.
KP and Whiteside are pretty much averaging the same number of points. Whiteside, however, is doing it on significantly better efficiency. Not only that, Whiteside is a DPOY level defender and one of the best rebounders in the league. KP doesn't even come close in those aspects of the game.

You can use all the if's, but I'm stating FACTS here.

[Zach LaVine]

Porzi in the future.

[hateraid]

Whiteside gets injured on a bi-weekly basis. He's not going to last long.
I hope Porzingis can sustain his motor. If he does he can be a force, but his game is predicated around it. He may not last long either unless his trainers understand that and condition him for it.
But to answer the question, Porzingis.

[MellowYellow]

Whiteside gets injured on a bi-weekly basis. He's not going to last long.
I hope Porzingis can sustain his motor. If he does he can be a force, but his game is predicated around it. He may not last long either unless his trainers understand that and condition him for it.
But to answer the question, Porzingis.

Better player right now? In what way?

[aj1987]

Whiteside gets injured on a bi-weekly basis. He's not going to last long.
I hope Porzingis can sustain his motor. If he does he can be a force, but his game is predicated around it. He may not last long either unless his trainers understand that and condition him for it.
But to answer the question, Porzingis.
:facepalm :facepalm

Whiteside missed 9 games this season. 2 game, he was sat by Spo and 1 was a suspension. He missed 6 games due to injury.

How is KP a better player than Whiteside, BTW? He's not better than Whiteside at any aspect of the game, except 3pt shooting.

[senelcoolidge]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/byron-mullens-dunk-1.jpg

Porzingus is a Byron Mullins with more upside.

[IncarceratedBob]

Whiteside is a psychopath. Every GM in the league takes KP without giving it a second thought.

[MellowYellow]

Whiteside is a psychopath. Every GM in the league takes KP without giving it a second thought.
He can be a psychopath all he wants if he continues to put up 13 and 12 with 4 blocks a game shooting 60% from the field. KP isn't close to that type of production right now.

[FKAri]

Whiteside gets injured on a bi-weekly basis. He's not going to last long.
I hope Porzingis can sustain his motor. If he does he can be a force, but his game is predicated around it. He may not last long either unless his trainers understand that and condition him for it.
But to answer the question, Porzingis.

Exactly! His motor is something else. But for someone his size, I'm not sure if he should improve his conditioning to match it or if he should just learn to conserve energy more.

[hateraid]

Better player right now? In what way?
More in terms of long term and health issues

[hateraid]

:facepalm :facepalm

Whiteside missed 9 games this season. 2 game, he was sat by Spo and 1 was a suspension. He missed 6 games due to injury.

How is KP a better player than Whiteside, BTW? He's not better than Whiteside at any aspect of the game, except 3pt shooting.

But they aren't consecutive games. They've occurred throughout the season. Indicitive of someone who is playing through an injury that is lingering and hasn't recovered. It does not appear good.

[aj1987]

But they aren't consecutive games. They've occurred throughout the season. Indicitive of someone who is playing through an injury that is lingering and hasn't recovered. It does not appear good.
Not the same injuries. Foot, hip, wrist, and general soreness, IIRC.

[hateraid]

Not the same injuries. Foot, hip, wrist, and general soreness, IIRC.

That's what I mean. It's like his body does not sustain the physicality. He's listed as day to day as of right now. Not a good sign.

[MellowYellow]

More in terms of long term and health issues
Porz Has managed to stay relatively healthy this year but I have concerns about his stamina. He gets gassed easy and he has been playing like trash lately probably partly because of that

[Cold soul]

As for question I'll take Porzingus but longer term for this rookie class give me Russell over him long term.

[feyki]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/byron-mullens-dunk-1.jpg

Porzingus is a Byron Mullins with more upside.

But one could playing as future Knicks franchise player , another playing on Konya . Konya mann , even i don't playing for Konya .

[aj1987]

That's what I mean. It's like his body does not sustain the physicality. He's listed as day to day as of right now. Not a good sign.
Those are just minor injuries and the Heat medical staff has generally be more careful. Shaq missed like 10 games a season during the 3peat. :confusedshrug:

[PP34Deuce]

KP has potential to be a nightmare offensively...

Length and build similar to young Pau Gasol but more range on his jumper and defensive instincts.

He's driven so I believe he will be a monster by year 4. 18-9-3 player next year on good percentages.

[hateraid]

Those are just minor injuries and the Heat medical staff has generally be more careful. Shaq missed like 10 games a season during the 3peat. :confusedshrug:

Not during his first 4 years.
Those minor injuries add up. Look, I like the kid but when injuries to bigs seem to be frequent at a young age is not a good sign. That's all I'm saying

[bdreason]

I still worry about how Whiteside will respond to his first large contract. He may be 26, but he seems to have the maturity of a teenager. Someone will offer this guy a Max deal, and I think eventually they will regret it.

[Dresta]

Whiteside is a psychopath. Every GM in the league takes KP without giving it a second thought.
:biggums:

What the actual f*ck.

[Dresta]

What a dumb bump :lol how long you been waiting to bump this thread. Even with kp struggling now he still has franchise player talent and Whiteside doesn't, these are facts you have to deal with. Whiteside will always just be a shot blocker/ rebounder who has to get all his points hand fed to him.
Sorry, but you're the one in this thread that is clearly delusional.

Whiteside since the all-star break:

18/14/4 on 58% shooting, and 81% from the FT line (on 5 attempts per game).

"Always just a shotblocker and rebounder" doe :oldlol:.


And he's not even close to his peak, despite his age, because he's still learning the game--guy is clearly a late bloomer. In the second half of the season, he's been a much better ft shooter, a better mid-range shooter, a better defender, and even a better passer of late. He still has a lot of room for improvement, and if he keeps working as he has been, he'll be one of the best players in the league in a couple of years.

[robert de niro]

whitezingis

[BasedTom]

Whiteside's shooting and FTs have massively improved. To a level I thought not possible for a player in the middle of a season campaign...dwight and co have no ****ing excuse.

(he had a bad floorshooting night a couple of days ago, but things should stabilize)

I was initially apprehensive about the Heat throwing him the max and the keys to the franchise, but now I'm more than okay with it.

[Spurs m8]

LMAO anyone who says Whiteside is a moron

Its not even a question