Worst contract in the league: Goran Dragic [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

plowking

11-25-2015, 05:45 AM

Is there anyone that is close right now? Not talking about guys like Arenas and that. I'm talking guys who got paid the last season or two and have just gone bust.

Dude was outplayed by Chalmers before he was traded, and now TJ is outplaying him comfortably every game.

90 mil over 5 years... Could have got Isiaah Thomas instead while picking up another good defensive big to fill in when Whiteside goes to sit down...

Instead, we got 11/4 on 43% shooting... 90 mil...

BasedTom

11-25-2015, 05:47 AM

so kobe retired tonight?

aj1987

11-25-2015, 05:50 AM

Ugh. Please don't remind me. Where's that retarded LeBron stan... r15mod or something? Dude wanted the Heat to let Wade go and give Dragic the max. He's gonna be making $20M at 34.... :facepalm

Terrible contract. I still can't believe that Pat gave him that much.

so kobe retired tonight?
Kobe's on an absolutely terrible team, which won't get better anytime soon. That's the difference.

plowking

11-25-2015, 05:50 AM

so kobe retired tonight?

We all know about Kobe, yet Dragic is putting up worse raw stats...

Dude needs to just change the first letter of his name to T instead of D, and you describe what his play has been like and the fact he can't actually play any D.

Goran Tragic.

BasedTom

11-25-2015, 05:53 AM

eric gordon?

VengefulAngel

11-25-2015, 05:53 AM

We all know about Kobe, yet Dragic is putting up worse raw stats...

Dude needs to just change the first letter of his name to T instead of D, and you describe what his play has been like and the fact he can't actually play any D.

Goran Tragic.

I've been saying this in every game thread, he's absolutely terrible. Can't beat his man in any half court setting even if his defender was tackled he would still struggle, can't shoot and does a horrible job playmaking.

OK rant over.

But yes I agree.

aj1987

11-25-2015, 05:55 AM

We all know about Kobe, yet Dragic is putting up worse raw stats...

Dude needs to just change the first letter of his name to T instead of D, and you describe what his play has been like and the fact he can't actually play any D.

Goran Tragic.
The worst part is how he actually plays the game. Dude dribbles in circles around the baseline for 10 seconds and kicks it out to a player with a defender on him, with like 8 seconds left. Dude is an absolutely terrible PG.

plowking

11-25-2015, 05:56 AM

eric gordon?

19/3/3... I think some Heat fans would trade family members to get Tragic to play that well.

On top of his poor play, he turns it over 2.2 times... He ain't passing the ball that much... so what the hell is he turning it over for so much?

He can't make a mid range jumper, and struggles to hit layups if the aren't in transition.

tomtucker

11-25-2015, 05:57 AM

what happened since last season ? really strange decline :wtf:

VengefulAngel

11-25-2015, 05:57 AM

Smoke117

11-25-2015, 06:01 AM

Don't remind me...and this is just the first year of a 5 year contract...oof. We should be actively seeking a team with a pg who can shoot and spread the floor and who might want to take a chance on him in a high tempo offense. The Heat are not going to look to switch up their style of play anytime soon with Whiteside and an aging Bosh and Wade and he is just not very effective in our slower paced, defensive style. The fact that he is average at best defensively makes him practically useless all around besides a good game here or there. As long as Whiteside is here, the team is going to be a half court team built around stifling defense.

I have to think there is some team who would be willing to take a chance on him and give us something useful in return.

FKAri

11-25-2015, 06:03 AM

Did you just bring up Isiah Thomas? That guy is the low key Jeremy Lin. He was having a great season quietly during Linsanity (I was following him closely) but has gigantic holes in his game. You don't want him on your team.

I don't know what's up with Dragic but I hope he picks it up. If he can, the Heat will make noise in the East.

BasedTom

11-25-2015, 06:03 AM

19/3/3... I think some Heat fans would trade family members to get Tragic to play that well.

On top of his poor play, he turns it over 2.2 times... He ain't passing the ball that much... so what the hell is he turning it over for so much?

He can't make a mid range jumper, and struggles to hit layups if the aren't in transition.
I agree dragic has disappointed, but this is probably too premature. he's shown signs of improvement (well not so much improvement, moreso just not being as terrible) and was ok last year after being traded.

if in 10 more games he's still shit then I'd seriously worry

Smoke117

11-25-2015, 06:07 AM

what happened since last season ? really strange decline :wtf:

Last season Bosh was out half the season and Wade missed those 20+ games. I don't know the specific number, but I can't imagine there were very many games where all three played together. (if any...I can't really remember when Bosh went down compared to Dragic coming over) They are going to be the guys who are going to get the most shots on this team when they are on the floor. Whiteside also was pretty much an after thought in how the team played since he came out of nowhere.

masonanddixon

11-25-2015, 06:11 AM

what happened since last season ? really strange decline :wtf:

He's been injured and is working his way back into health while adjusting his style of play to fit the team's needs. His last two games he put up solid numbers.

He'll probably be putting up 15-6-5 by midseason on 50% FG and solid defense, which was around his splits last season.

BasedTom

11-25-2015, 06:20 AM

Last season Bosh was out half the season and Wade missed those 20+ games. I don't know the specific number, but I can't imagine there were very many games where all three played together. (if any...I can't really remember when Bosh went down compared to Dragic coming over) They are going to be the guys who are going to get the most shots on this team when they are on the floor. Whiteside also was pretty much an after thought in how the team played since he came out of nowhere.
Bosh went down before the Dragic trade. They never played together until this year. The whole Heat starting 5 never played together before this season, and they didn't really even get preseason since I think somebody was injured or otherwise out for some reason.

It seems like this year there's always at least one player per game that is just outright sucking...Spo should ride the hot hand. Against the Knicks the offense at one point was to keep going to Bosh even though clearly nothing was coming from it. And the Knicks almost cut it to within 10 :facepalm. That was clearly Wade's night; he's had his share of shitty nights as well so far. There's no need to force things if it comes at the cost of less chances of winning the game.

Smoke117

11-25-2015, 06:34 AM

Bosh went down before the Dragic trade. They never played together until this year. The whole Heat starting 5 never played together before this season, and they didn't really even get preseason since I think somebody was injured or otherwise out for some reason.

It seems like this year there's always at least one player per game that is just outright sucking...Spo should ride the hot hand. Against the Knicks the offense at one point was to keep going to Bosh even though clearly nothing was coming from it. And the Knicks almost cut it to within 10 :facepalm. That was clearly Wade's night; he's had his share of shitty nights as well so far. There's no need to force things if it comes at the cost of less chances of winning the game.

Yeah I thought Bosh did, but I couldn't remember Spo's line ups have always been idiotic. Dragic might actually be effective if Spo actually played him with Winslow and Green...young athletic guys who want to get out in the open, but the genius likes sitting Wade and Dragic at the same time for some reason. Bosh can play either style at this point, so he's good with any line up, but you should want to have whiteside and Wade out there at the same time as they have good chemistry and are better suited for a half court style. And yeah...I'ts annoying how Spo will let leads dwindle away before he brings back in the starters and will take a guy out who has the hot hand like Wade did in that 3rd quarter. He didn't get that rhythm back in the 4th and so the team had to work a lot harder in that last quarter than it should have had to.

He should try bringing Dragic off the bench for Wade initially and starting Tyler Johnson along with Wade.

tomtucker

11-25-2015, 07:03 AM

Bosh seems to be a bit off as well.........lung problem from last year still bothering him ? nah, you would think that is in the past.........but maybe he is worried about going all out, pressing his body to the limit ? ......only he knows !

hope bosh and dragic returns to previous form

OmniStrife

11-25-2015, 07:16 AM

Oh man, that's sad to hear...
He was AMAZING when he got 3rd team all-NBA
although I'm glad he's not our problem anymore.

Dresta

11-25-2015, 07:21 AM

I think this is an overreaction: he's been missing a lot of open shots, and is a much better shooter for his career than he is showing. Once that starts to fall, and he gets some confidence and rhythm, i expect things to pick up.

Locked_Up_Tonight

11-25-2015, 11:29 AM

JJ Barea: 4 year 16 million is pretty horrible.

DMAVS41

11-25-2015, 11:33 AM

JJ Barea: 4 year 16 million is pretty horrible.

For the 2nd time...LOL

beastee

11-25-2015, 11:45 AM

Where is Corleone and his Dragic love?

Dude was always overrated and had one good season. Never understood the contract, and it's going to look awful when he is on the bench in 2 years.

LikeABosh

11-25-2015, 11:51 AM

Yea, that contract is starting to look worse and worse. Even if he could start to produce and play better he's still just not that great of a player. Didn't like the contract when he was signed and now he has regressed like crazy. It looks like he's aged 5 years. The Heat would be much better of without of him and his contract

NBASTATMAN

11-25-2015, 11:57 AM

GoatBoy

11-25-2015, 12:38 PM

For fantasy reasons, Dragic is my least favourite player in the league.

tomtucker

11-25-2015, 12:42 PM

Where is Corleone and his Dragic love?

Dude was always overrated and had one good season. Never understood the contract, and it's going to look awful when he is on the bench in 2 years.

yeah, where is that negro now ??

Lebronxrings

11-25-2015, 12:46 PM

its lebrons fault right?

Hamtaro CP3KDKG

11-25-2015, 12:46 PM

Remember back when nikkas was saying he was better than Bledsoe:lol :lol :roll:

Papaya Petee

11-25-2015, 12:49 PM

He's been injured and is working his way back into health while adjusting his style of play to fit the team's needs. His last two games he put up solid numbers.

He'll probably be putting up 15-6-5 by midseason on 50% FG and solid defense, which was around his splits last season.

:roll: :roll: no,no,no,no and hell no.

He has been the 4th, sometimes 5th option on offense, we brought him in for his fast pace tempo and finishing around the rim, which he can't hit an open layup this season.
His assists won't go up, he's our PG and hes a much worse play maker than Wade who plays shooting guard. We have capable rebounders so he won't average 5 a game either.
He can't hit open layups to save his life, and his outside shot stinks, he won't reach 50% anymore.
He's an average defender at best.

He got paid, now he's useless.

stalkerforlife

11-25-2015, 12:51 PM

Got paid, got laid, got Wade...Heat got played.

Dragic falling off dramatically.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG

11-25-2015, 12:59 PM

Mass Debator

11-25-2015, 01:25 PM

He needs the ball in his hands to be effective which isn't gonna happen. At least TJ is a good spot up shooter and hustles like the best of them. Probably leads the team in putback dunks. Someone like George Hill would be perfect for this system

bluechox2

11-25-2015, 01:33 PM

bledsoe living rent free

GrapeApe

11-25-2015, 04:26 PM

We all know that Dragic has an inflated contract but c'mon, we're 13 games into the season. It's WAY too early to be making these kind of conclusive judgments. This is overreaction at its finest. Yes he's struggled, but he and the core group in general are still figuring things out. Dragic is a career 47% shooter and has shot 50% over the past two seasons. That doesn't happen by accident. Even though he's overpaid, the guy is a damn good player. The layups and open looks he's been missing will eventually start to drop.

That being said, there is some cause for concern about his game. I agree with the poster who criticized his tendency to dribble around the baseline, and I've been underwhelmed by his quickness and ability to beat his man off the dribble. He's a crafty finisher but he struggles to get to the rim in the half court. The other issue I have with Dragic is his court vision (or lack thereof). He's a very average passer and playmaker. Wade is a much better passer and by far the Heat's best playmaker.

Despite those issues, Dragic will get it going and his numbers will start trending toward what they were last season. He played well in the last game so that should help his confidence. We don't need him to be a star. He just needs to play smart and efficient basketball, take care of the ball, push the tempo when the opportunity exists, and knock down open shots. He's more than capable of doing that, and I expect he will as the season progresses.

GrapeApe

11-25-2015, 05:11 PM

Last 2 games he put up solid numbers?

9.5/8/4.5/2 with 3 turnovers on 49TS% is solid numbers now?:lol :lol What standards is Goran held to now? Dangelo Russell? :lol

He played very well the last game. Beyond the numbers, he played with more confidence, was more engaged, and much better defensively. He looked more comfortable in general and that's the most encouraging sign. Hopefully he can find a consistent comfort level that allows him get into a rhythm. The Heat as a team are still establishing their identity. As that becomes more defined it should help Dragic grow into his role.

oarabbus

11-25-2015, 05:16 PM

The Heat fans on this board... Whiteside is as good as Bill Russell, Dragic is a scrub who can't play PG

:facepalm

FireDavidKahn

11-25-2015, 05:41 PM

Kobe

VengefulAngel

11-25-2015, 05:48 PM

The Heat fans on this board... Whiteside is as good as Bill Russell, Dragic is a scrub who can't play PG

:facepalm

No heat fan has said any of those things... I hope.

Cocaine80s

11-25-2015, 05:51 PM

Delly for Dragic

TheBigVeto

11-25-2015, 09:39 PM

DWhistle is holding him back.

Wade's Rings

11-25-2015, 09:43 PM

DWhistle is holding him back.

This is still a thing?

JohnFreeman

11-26-2015, 12:10 AM

I remember saying Dragic wasn't it all that

TheBigVeto

11-26-2015, 01:17 AM

This is still a thing?

Always a thing.
That 2006 ring is tainted dawg.

ISHGoat

11-26-2015, 01:45 AM

Always a thing.
That 2006 ring is tainted dawg.
:coleman:

poido123

11-26-2015, 05:00 AM

I just think he's a bad fit.

I think he struggles to make his own mark on a team full of veterans and guys who've already won at the highest level.

Put him on a young team full of young guys, like say the Wolves and I think he would thrive.

AintNoSunshine

11-26-2015, 05:08 AM

Nah, Kobe still has the worst contract by far, then it's Gilbert Arenas, then we can talk about someone else.

blablabla

11-26-2015, 06:09 AM

Nah, Kobe still has the worst contract by far, then it's Gilbert Arenas, then we can talk about someone else.
Kobes contract is expiring the Heat are stuck with dragic

dhsilv

11-26-2015, 09:21 AM

So I pull him up on basketball reference to look at the terms of the deal, and I'm looking at his transactions history.

So the Raptors trade a second round pick for Giorgos Printezis 0 NBA games played and 30 now. That said he was part of a 2015 trade by the hawks back to the spurs of all things? Anyway the spurs draft Dragic with this pick. The turn around and trade him to the suns for cash (the spurs took cash?), Malik Hairston (62 games with the spurs), but the also go a second round pick that turned into Blair. No I know blair doesn't excite a lot of people but in 36 games and 293 minutes in the PLAYOFFS he had a PER for the Spurs of 23.1.

Even when the spurs make awful trades for legit future all star nba talent...they pull off getting a guy like Blair in the second round with their "mistakes". Just insane!

Dresta

11-26-2015, 10:59 AM

The Heat fans on this board... Whiteside is as good as Bill Russell, Dragic is a scrub who can't play PG

:facepalm
No person has said any such thing. Take your illusory straw-men and piss off to a thread that concerns you if you're just gonna tell straight lies :cheers: .

lilteapot

11-26-2015, 11:07 AM

yeah he's been pretty bad. turns the ball over a ton and is having a really tough time scoring.

not sure if he's injured or whatnot

plowking

07-01-2016, 01:42 AM

Not anymore looks like. :oldlol:

Might actually be able to trade him now.:cheers:

SwishSquared

07-01-2016, 01:48 AM

Not anymore looks like. :oldlol:

Might actually be able to trade him now.:cheers:I bet the Kings would actually trade for him haha. Not sure what you'd want in return though.

plowking

07-01-2016, 01:50 AM

I bet the Kings would actually trade for him haha. Not sure what you'd want in return though.

A Kings jersey.

Dray n Klay

07-01-2016, 02:04 AM

Ummm.. Dragic was overall the best Heat player in the playoffs

aj1987

07-01-2016, 02:07 AM

I bet the Kings would actually trade for him haha. Not sure what you'd want in return though.
DMC for Dragic. Straight up. Willing to throw in McBob.

Ummm.. Dragic was overall the best Heat player in the playoffs
Amazing how PG's were the Cavs and Heat's best players. :cheers:

plowking

07-01-2016, 02:16 AM

Ummm.. Dragic was overall the best Heat player in the playoffs

Cool. Most of us still want him gone.

Dray n Klay

07-01-2016, 02:22 AM

Cool. Most of us still want him gone.

Who can the Heat get instead?

Wade will be on minutes restrictions

Heat have no other guard outside of Dragic

plowking

07-01-2016, 02:31 AM

Who can the Heat get instead?

Wade will be on minutes restrictions

Heat have no other guard outside of Dragic

I know you troll, but Dragic really sucks.

He can't do shit in the half court. His team management is terrible. He is one of the worst passers I've seen in terms of PG's. He can't find an open man. I'd honestly get Mario Chalmers as back up again, and trade him for just about anyone at this point. Mike Conely would be fantastic, but they would want way more. We should have gone after Reggie Jackson, but that is gone. I'd take Jrue Holiday, but he hit some form at the end of the season and was killing it. Not sure they'd want to trade.

After that, everyone is pretty much as bad as Dragic, or worse. So two options really, but doubt they are keen to trade. Should have got the right targets when the options were there.