Armed mosque protesters publish Irving Muslims

[oh the horror]

An anti-Muslim group that brought guns to an Irving mosque has published the home addresses of dozens of Muslims and

[HitandRun Reggie]

You neglected to mention that they published the names of only the individuals who wanted to subject the city to Sharia Law. :rolleyes:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Kristallnacht around the corner.

Now when the Holocaust begins will Al-Craqa shoot us when performing the Salat?

[oh the horror]

You neglected to mention that they published the names of only the individuals who wanted to subject the city to Sharia Law. :rolleyes:




What does posting someone's home address do exactly? Other than encourage people to stalk and possibly harm individuals?



Who raises you fu*king mutants?

[imdaman99]

What does posting someone's home address do exactly? Other than encourage people to stalk and possibly harm individuals?



Who raises you fu*king mutants?
#NotAllIslamophobes

[Akrazotile]

What does posting someone's home address do exactly? Other than encourage people to stalk and possibly harm individuals?



Who raises you fu*king mutants?


Multiculturalism simply doesnt work.

Muslims wanna see society look one way. Judeo-Christians want something else.

If the Muslims dont leave, this kind of stuff will keep going on. If Americans dont do it to them, theyll eventually start doing it to us. Just look at Britain.

Itd be great if there was an "easy solution." But there isnt. America and Islam cant coexist. Sure, when the population is 1 or 2 % Muslims who are largely secular, it seems like no big deal. But if the population gets bigger and more fundamental, they CAN NOT live here. Just on a practical level. It will always cause problems.

Might as well stop them now. Not with violence, but with laws.

[oh the horror]

Multiculturalism simply doesnt work.

Muslims wanna see society look one way. Judeo-Christians want something else.

If the Muslims dont leave, this kind of stuff will keep going on. If Americans dont do it to them, theyll eventually start doing it to us. Just look at Britain.

Itd be great if there was an "easy solution." But there isnt. America and Islam cant coexist. Sure, when the population is 1 or 2 % Muslims who are largely secular, it seems like no big deal. But if the population gets bigger and more fundamental, they CAN NOT live here. Just on a practical level. It will always cause problems.

Might as well stop them now. Not with violence, but with laws.




And yet there are a lot of Muslims already here, practicing their religion and leaving people alone.



You teeter on a dangerous line. And these people showing up to mosques armed with weapons and posting their home addresses online are getting scary and the irony is they're "fighting" something they themselves are becoming.



You know what doesn't work? Extremism.

[Akrazotile]

And yet there are a lot of Muslims already here, practicing their religion and leaving people alone.



You teeter on a dangerous line. And these people showing up to mosques armed with weapons and posting their home addresses online are getting scary and the irony is they're "fighting" something they themselves are becoming.



You know what doesn't work? Extremism.

Right. Which is why my position is do it with laws, not with guns. And like I said, I agree that very small numbers of muslims living here doesnt mean much. But the more we allow in, the more emboldened theyll all become about bringing sharia to America. Again, look at Britain. It's exactly what's happening.

Its okay to say "I dont want any remotely significant numbers of Muslims living here." Nobody has to apologize for that. Its OKAY to feel that way. History shows this stuff doesn work. Individuals who wanna practice lil Muslim rituals? Fine, whatever. Growing Muslim communities? No. Keep them out.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]
Muslims wanna see society look one way. Judeo-Christians want something else.

They are 99.9% the same.......

[Akrazotile]

They are 99.9% the same.......


In theory, maybe, but in practice no. That's why women in Muslim-majority countries wear burqas, and women in Jewish/Christian countries don't. Alcohol is outright prohibited in many stores in Muslim-majority countries. Not in Jewish/Christian. And sure, "muslim" countries differ in how strict they are. But we have absolutely no need to take that risk with increasing Muslims here. People who wanna practice this shit should just go to Muslim countries. America is founded on Jewish-Christian customs, culture, and norms. Either practice one of those or don't practice anything at all. Otherwise? Get.

[DonDadda59]

Multiculturalism simply doesnt work.

Muslims wanna see society look one way. Judeo-Christians want something else.

If the Muslims dont leave, this kind of stuff will keep going on. If Americans dont do it to them, theyll eventually start doing it to us. Just look at Britain.

Itd be great if there was an "easy solution." But there isnt. America and Islam cant coexist. Sure, when the population is 1 or 2 % Muslims who are largely secular, it seems like no big deal. But if the population gets bigger and more fundamental, they CAN NOT live here. Just on a practical level. It will always cause problems.

Might as well stop them now. Not with violence, but with laws.

This is not true at all. The issue is isolationism within communities that are supposedly 'multicultural'. I don't know much about British culture beyond the 2 weeks I spent in Oxford and London like 15 years ago and Monty Python movies, but I'd wager that Muslim communities there for the most part are completely segregated from the 'indigenous' population. That breeds mistrust and extremism... which obviously leads to violence.

I live in what may possibly be the most religiously diverse place on the planet. Within a 5 block radius from where I'm typing this, there's a massive Muslim mosque, a buddhist temple, 2 hindu temples (including the oldest one in the U.S.), a Jehovah's witness church. If you travel down the main st for about a mile, there's a large and thriving orthodox Jewish community.

We never see any of the issues that other places do because there is a constant intermingling of people (all these different people live next to each other, their kids go to school together, etc). Right outside my apartment building, there is always some sort of religious parade or demonstration happening. Muslims gather in the same park for prayer services that the Chinese Lunar New Year is celebrated.

Harvard/UPenn did a case study about pluralism in my neighborhood:

http://pluralism.org/affiliates/shanson/ :applause:

[UK2K]

What does posting someone's home address do exactly? Other than encourage people to stalk and possibly harm individuals?



Who raises you fu*king mutants?

You showed the same outrage when that newspaper posted the names and addresses of registered gun owners too, I'm sure.

[NumberSix]

Yes, anti-Muslim violence is a terrible problem. It's probably affected ones of people.


All joking aside though. You REALLY shouldn't do shit like this.

[UK2K]

You neglected to mention that they published the names of only the individuals who wanted to subject the city to Sharia Law. :rolleyes:
Yep, that title is 'kinda true, but really not'. CNN will run with it.

Still a shitty move, report them to the police instead but don't threaten them and don't publish their addresses.

Technically though, what do they care if people know they are for Sharia Law? If you're for it, you're for it, so man up and say so.

[NumberSix]

This is not true at all. The issue is isolationism within communities that are supposedly 'multicultural'. I don't know much about British culture beyond the 2 weeks I spent in Oxford and London like 15 years ago and Monty Python movies, but I'd wager that Muslim communities there for the most part are completely segregated from the 'indigenous' population. That breeds mistrust and extremism... which obviously leads to violence.
That's exactly what "multiculturalism" means. :hammerhead:


I swear, we need a new word because the word "multiculturalism" just isn't working. Too many people don't know its meaning and they all think it's just means "people who come from various cultures living together". It doesn't.

[Akrazotile]

This is not true at all. The issue is isolationism within communities that are supposedly 'multicultural'. I don't know much about British culture beyond the 2 weeks I spent in Oxford and London like 15 years ago and Monty Python movies, but I'd wager that Muslim communities there for the most part are completely segregated from the 'indigenous' population. That breeds mistrust and extremism... which obviously leads to violence.

I live in what may possibly be the most religiously diverse place on the planet. Within a 5 block radius from where I'm typing this, there's a massive Muslim mosque, a buddhist temple, 2 hindu temples (including the oldest one in the U.S.), a Jehovah's witness church. If you travel down the main st for about a mile, there's a large and thriving orthodox Jewish community.

We never see any of the issues that other places do because there is a constant intermingling of people (all these different people live next to each other, their kids go to school together, etc). Right outside my apartment building, there is always some sort of religious parade or demonstration happening. Muslims gather in the same park for prayer services that the Chinese Lunar New Year is celebrated.

Harvard/UPenn did a case study about pluralism in my neighborhood:

http://pluralism.org/affiliates/shanson/ :applause:


Ok, well as I said in my post to oh the horror, on a small, neighborhood level it's not such a big deal. But I'm sure it also helps when there are numerous minority groups mixed together, rather than one dominant group with one minority group. It also helps that hindus, buddhists, and jews share a non-prosltyzing mindset. They do not hold any doctrines about forcing their views onto others, in fact just the opposite.

Imagine if you added a Muslim community to New York the size of its Jewish community? That's basically what's happening in Britain, and they're having problems. Islam in practice, right now in the current world, is simply more radical than other religions. I don't care what some moderate secular muslim says about his interpretation. It's clear to see that in practice, Islam has more radicals than anyone else. That's not welcome here.

Even in Jewish communities there's already issues. A few years back a religious Jewish rabbi, the founder of Lev Tahor, was giving bar mitzvah lessons to a boy who had been brought up by just a moderately jewish mother, and no father. The rabbi ended up kidnapping the boy and keeping him in the ultra orthodox community. The mother tried to get shit done in the court system but the DA had an election coming up and most of his constituents were heavily religious jews who liked this rabbi. Guess what? Mom got the run around.

We have enough problems to worry about now, without adding Muslims to our worries. We don't need them. We get no benefit from them. It's only potential loss, potential risk. If you're one of these people who bashes others for looking at the world through a religious lens (and you are) then why look at this issue through a moralist lens? What good does that do the US? What good? What justification is there for it?

[BigNBAfan]

Where's the uncensored version?

[Akrazotile]

All the people on this site who defend muslims and defend muslim immigration are the same exact people who laugh at and ridicule people for being religious in a Christian sense. They mock religion, they laugh at it, call it absurd and outdated.

Yet they keep going to bat for the Muslims.

Why? Obviously it has nothing to do with principle, american values, equality, blah blah.

It has to do with a desire to rankle and rustle the jimmies of 'the establishment' and the good ol boys. That's ALL it is.

It's honestly pathetic. Every single non-muslim here is better off in a white christian society than in an olive-skinned muslim one. But the liberals here all wanna soapbox for Islam. Just to ruffle feathers.

It's pathetic. Shows an absolutely disgraceful set of priorities.

[DonDadda59]

Ok, well as I said in my post to oh the horror, on a small, neighborhood level it's not such a big deal. But I'm sure it also helps when there are numerous minority groups mixed together, rather than one dominant group with one minority group. It also helps that hindus, buddhists, and jews share a non-prosltyzing mindset. They do not hold any doctrines about forcing their views onto others, in fact just the opposite.

Flushing has a population of about 250,000 people that's larger than most cities countrywide. Queens is the most diverse area in the United States and has a population of 2.3 million people. That's bigger than a lot of States.


Imagine if you added a Muslim community to New York the size of its Jewish community? That's basically what's happening in Britain, and they're having problems. Islam in practice, right now in the current world, is simply more radical than other religions. I don't care what some moderate secular muslim says about his interpretation. It's clear to see that in practice, Islam has more radicals than anyone else. That's not welcome here.

There are about 600,000 Muslims in NYC. 65% of them are first generation immigrants meaning they are coming straight from the Middle East, SE Asia, etc.

The Jewish population in NYC numbers about 1 million, which is roughly the same number of Muslims in London.

Yet NYC doesn't have issues with the Muslim population, even though the majority of them are fresh off the boat immigrants. Adding 400K more wouldn't make a lick of difference.

'Multiculturalism' isn't an inherent problem. It's the culture in which its fostered.


Even in Jewish communities there's already issues. A few years back a religious Jewish rabbi, the founder of Lev Tahor, was giving bar mitzvah lessons to a boy who had been brought up by just a moderately jewish mother, and no father. The rabbi ended up kidnapping the boy and keeping him in the ultra orthodox community. The mother tried to get shit done in the court system but the DA had an election coming up and most of his constituents were heavily religious jews who liked this rabbi. Guess what? Mom got the run around.

Pointless anecdote is pointless. :confusedshrug:


We have enough problems to worry about now, without adding Muslims to our worries. We don't need them. We get no benefit from them. It's only potential loss, potential risk. If you're one of these people who bashes others for looking at the world through a religious lens (and you are) then why look at this issue through a moralist lens? What good does that do the US? What good? What justification is there for it?

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but people's lives and movements on the planet don't run according to whether 'we' feel we need them or not (define 'we' BTW). If our immigration policies were based upon who is a threat to be a terrorist, then we'd be barring White Europeans from entering the U.S.

And even if I don't adhere to any religion personally, I don't think people should be discriminated against on that basis.

[Patrick Chewing]

All the people on this site who defend muslims and defend muslim immigration are the same exact people who laugh at and ridicule people for being religious in a Christian sense. They mock religion, they laugh at it, call it absurd and outdated.

Yet they keep going to bat for the Muslims.

Why? Obviously it has nothing to do with principle, american values, equality, blah blah.

It has to do with a desire to rankle and rustle the jimmies of 'the establishment' and the good ol boys. That's ALL it is.

It's honestly pathetic. Every single non-muslim here is better off in a white christian society than in an olive-skinned muslim one. But the liberals here all wanna soapbox for Islam. Just to ruffle feathers.

It's pathetic. Shows an absolutely disgraceful set of priorities.

Don't worry too much about it. They will be the first to get their heads lopped off. And then I will laugh.

[Akrazotile]

Flushing has a population of about 250,000 people that's larger than most cities countrywide. Queens is the most diverse area in the United States and has a population of 2.3 million people. That's bigger than a lot of States.



There are about 600,000 Muslims in NYC. 65% of them are first generation immigrants meaning they are coming straight from the Middle East, SE Asia, etc.

The Jewish population in NYC numbers about 1 million, which is roughly the same number of Muslims in London.

Yet NYC doesn't have issues with the Muslim population, even though the majority of them are fresh off the boat immigrants. Adding 400K more wouldn't make a lick of difference.

'Multiculturalism' isn't an inherent problem. It's the culture in which its fostered.



Pointless anecdote is pointless. :confusedshrug:



Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but people's lives and movements on the planet don't run according to whether 'we' feel we need them or not (define 'we' BTW). If our immigration policies were based upon who is a threat to be a terrorist, then we'd be barring White Europeans from entering the U.S.

And even if I don't adhere to any religion personally, I don't think people should be discriminated against on that basis.


Listen, there are exceptions to every rule or trend, and I fully grant that New York City is probably one of those few exceptions. There are so many different cultures there, it probably doesn't feel like one is any more dominant or submissive than another. There's just city-wide ordinances and everyone has to follow them. It's truly like it's its own country.

A growing Muslim community in Irving, Texas is NOT a good idea. They will start to play the oppression card, they will come into conflict with people on issues of what you can wear in public, they might start rejecting particular state or local laws that don't cater to their customs. There is absolutely zero need for it. If you want more Muslims in NYC, then fine. Let's send them there. I have no problem if people in Irving, Texas don't want them.

[DonDadda59]

Listen, there are exceptions to every rule or trend, and I fully grant that New York City is probably one of those few exceptions. There are so many different cultures there, it probably doesn't feel like one is more 'submissive' to the other. There's just city-wide ordinances and everyone has to follow them. It's truly like it's its own country.

Exactly. You tried to play it off that the religious pluralism in Flushing was just an example of an outlier in a small town or neighborhood. The reality is that NYC is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet and if the pluralism project is working here... There really is no excuse for the rest of the World.

But it's just easier to move towards fear, paranoia, ignorance, and isolationism.


A growing Muslim community in Irving, Texas is NOT a good idea. They will start to play the oppression card, they will come into conflict with people on issues of what you can wear in public, they might start rejecting particular state or local laws that don't cater to their customs. There is absolutely zero need for it. If you want more Muslims in NYC, then fine. Let's send them there. I have no problem if people in Irving, Texas don't want them.

When people show up to their place of worship with machine guns and post their home addresses then I think they just might have to play that card. :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

And even if I don't adhere to any religion personally, I don't think people should be discriminated against on that basis.

I do. I like the nice, moderate approach that most american jews and christians take now. I don't wanna see fundamentalists of any kind reproducing en masse, moving into my neighborhood, changing the political dynamics. Not the Fred Phelps people, not the Haredim, not the jihadists. We do it our way here, they can do it theirs somewheres else. They can TAKE. A. WALK. baby! Discriminate those fools all damn day.

[DonDadda59]

I do. I like the nice, moderate approach that most american jews and christians take now. I don't wanna see fundamentalists of any kind reproducing en masse, moving into my neighborhood, changing the political dynamics. Not the Fred Phelps people, not the Haredim, not the jihadists. We do it our way here, they can do it theirs somewheres else. They can TAKE. A. WALK. baby! Discriminate those fools all damn day.

Now. Tomorrow. FOREVER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-kBVggFrs) :rockon:

[Akrazotile]

Now. Tomorrow. FOREVER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-kBVggFrs) :rockon:

The nicest neighborhoods in America are pretty segregated. :confusedshrug: If I was gonna buy a house, I'd prioritize a hell of a lot of other things over 'neighborhood diversity.'

People can change or not change at whatever rate they want. I don't understand why liberal missionaries feel compelled to go forcing it on everyone, in Conquistador-like fashion.

[KevinNYC]

If I was gonna buy a house, I'd prioritize a hell of a lot of other things over 'neighborhood diversity.'

Shocker.

[oh the horror]

You showed the same outrage when that newspaper posted the names and addresses of registered gun owners too, I'm sure.




No one should be posting someone's personal address merely because the implication to ME is that you're encouraging someone else to perhaps "handle" the issue for you, if you catch my drift. Be it with violence or vandalism. A mob mentality with someone's home address is never going to end well and particularly in this case where people are downright feverish over this "us vs them" shit going on with Muslims in America? Shit.

[longtime lurker]

No one should be posting someone's personal address merely because the implication to ME is that you're encouraging someone else to perhaps "handle" the issue for you, if you catch my drift. Be it with violence or vandalism. A mob mentality with someone's home address is never going to end well and particularly in this case where people are downright feverish over this "us vs them" shit going on with Muslims in America? Shit.

This is the face of facism.