Native Americans talk about Christopher Columbus:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTXRDtYzYc

http://a3.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTE5NTU2MzE2MTg4NzM5MDgz.jpg

[Andrei89]

They are right though. Guy was a genocidal maniac.

[NumberSix]

Fun fact. Christopher Columbus never stepped foot on American soil.

[Patrick Chewing]

American Indians are just as ignorant as African Americans it seems.


As the esteemed poster above me mentioned, Columbus has nothing to do with North America.

And even if he had, all these Natives are speaking into a camera some 500 years later and they actually have something negative to say about a man and a time and a place some 500 years prior? Pure ignorance.

[Pushxx]

I think it's time people moved on...every habitable place on earth has been conquered or at least invaded. Let's accept things for the way they were.

[AngelEyes]

It doesn't seem ridiculous to anyone to continually harp on how bad of a guy Columbus may have been when the guy was around in the freaking 1400s? Do people have any idea how long ago that was?

[warriorfan]

fucc columbus

[Akrazotile]

They are right though. Guy was a genocidal maniac.


Funny thing is this is the exact trait every single tribal chief was celebrated for in Injun culture. There were no scientists or lawyers. Every boy was brought up to be a warrior, and anyone who could go out and conquer and bring back scalps moved one step closer to Chieftan.

I didn't watch the video but it sounds like we got some redskins chewin on sour grapes! Sorry fellas, ya can't win em all. But if it makes em feel any better I did lose about $300 last time I hit the blackjack table :(

[senelcoolidge]

:rolleyes:
white guilt rearing it's ugly head

[Nick Young]

Native Americans have to accept the fact they got owned and do their best to move on and recover. There is only so long you can sit around complaining about the past and not doing anything to improve the present.


The hand they've been dealt has been shit, but it seems like most have given up all hope on life and the future.

[Jameerthefear]

that was so melodramatic :lol

[kentatm]

hey guys, I'm going to knight for a child rapist!

:facepalm

[JohnnySic]

http://www.updatecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Columbus-Day-2015-E-Cards-Meme-Art-and-Crafts-6.png

[32jazz]

American Indians are just as ignorant as African Americans it seems.


As the esteemed poster above me mentioned, Columbus has nothing to do with North America.

And even if he had, all these Natives are speaking into a camera some 500 years later and they actually have something negative to say about a man and a time and a place some 500 years prior? Pure ignorance.
Like Islamaphobes saying negative things about Mohammad?( I have no use for religion)



If he had nothing to do with North America why do we still celebrate Columbus day in the United States ?

The White people of North America are ' ignorant' I assume by celebrating Columbus Day.

[chosen_one6]

Insidehoops is guaranteed for some dumb ass, ignorant fools. Every single day.

[32jazz]

Funny thing is this is the exact trait every single tribal chief was celebrated for in Injun culture. There were no scientists or lawyers. Every boy was brought up to be a warrior, and anyone who could go out and conquer and bring back scalps moved one step closer to Chieftan.

I didn't watch the video but it sounds like we got some redskins chewin on sour grapes! Sorry fellas, ya can't win em all. But if it makes em feel any better I did lose about $300 last time I hit the blackjack table :(


Is that why there were pyramids ( math / architects) , calenders , astronomy ,etc..in Pre Columbian Americas?



Much of the Pre Columbian knowledge was systematically destroyed by Europeans.

[Akrazotile]

Is that why there were pyramids ( math / architects) , calenders , astronomy ,etc..in Pre Columbian Americas?



Yes, but I don't think those were generally done as trades or professions, altho I could be mistaken. Obviously people did develop them with time. You don't spend 24 hours a day in battle.

The ultimate and most celebrated ideal in most tribes was to grow into a warrior who conquered other tribes tho. There's no question about that.

[NumberSix]

Like Islamaphobes saying negative things about Mohammad?( I have no use for religion)



If he had nothing to do with North America why do we still celebrate Columbus day in the United States ?

The White people of North America are ' ignorant' I assume by celebrating Columbus Day.
The problem is that the "history" they teach in public schools is highly politicized. From all sides of the political landscape.

We don't have people who are objective deciding what will be taught in public schools. We have people with agendas sculpting narratives with the intention of it resulting in students that share their political viewpoints.

[32jazz]

Yes, but I don't think those were generally done as trades or professions, altho I could be mistaken. Obviously people did develop them with time. You don't spend 24 hours a day in battle.

The ultimate and most celebrated ideal in most tribes was to grow into a warrior who conquered other tribes tho. There's no question about that.

How many were scientists / Astronomers in Europe as a percentage in 1492? Not many.


What percentage in in modern America are Astronomers/ Scientists, etc.....? Not generally done.


The ultimate ideal among most Americans is a house with a garage ,picket fence, watching sporting events / reality TV , the latest electronics ( Black Friday deals ) ,etc...... There's no question about that.

What's your point besides trying to dismiss Meso American society?

[32jazz]

The problem is that the "history" they teach in public schools is highly politicized. From all sides of the political landscape.

We don't have people who are objective deciding what will be taught in public schools. We have people with agendas sculpting narratives with the intention of it resulting in students that share their political viewpoints.

Native Americans don't control North American school curriculum. Whites in America do.

Maybe the poster who called Native Americans 'ignorant' should call those who control curriculum ' ignorant'.

Although Columbus did reach the Americas..........

[Patrick Chewing]

Like Islamaphobes saying negative things about Mohammad?( I have no use for religion)



If he had nothing to do with North America why do we still celebrate Columbus day in the United States ?

The White people of North America are ' ignorant' I assume by celebrating Columbus Day.


Were you affected by Columbus? Were those Native Americans on the screen affected by Columbus? The answer is no on all accounts. It's history. Part of American History and World History whether we choose to accept it or not. Since none of us were affected by Columbus, then this is a non-issue.

Someone, someway, somehow was going to land on this continent sooner or later. Get over it. In fact, none of us would be typing on these machines if it weren't for exploration and conquer. Ya'll act like the man is still landing on your beaches and telling you about this magnificent guy called Jesus Christ.

[Akrazotile]

How many were scientists / Astronomers in Europe as a percentage in 1492? Not many.


What percentage in in modern America are Astronomers/ Scientists, etc.....? Not generally done.


The ultimate ideal among most Americans is a house with a garage ,picket fence, watching sporting events / reality TV , the latest electronics ( Black Friday deals ) ,etc...... There's no question about that.

What's your point besides trying to dismiss Meso American society?

Lol. Lawyers and scientists were just an example of the professions many people in european society aspired to. And army general was also one of them, sure. But In meso american culture the ultimate ambition and really the only one was to be a warrior. It was the greatest sense of pride possible.

The behavior these modern Native Americans criticize Colombus for is the EXACT behavior Indians all glorified among themselves in that period.

Thats my point. Theyre trying to imply that Colombus was unethical in contraposition to the natives and their morals. When in fact its just tribalism (no pun intended) and sour grapes that their peoples got throttled by colombus' peoples.

[32jazz]

Were you affected by Columbus? Were those Native Americans on the screen affected by Columbus? The answer is no on all accounts. It's history. Part of American History and World History whether we choose to accept it or not. Since none of us were affected by Columbus, then this is a non-issue.

Someone, someway, somehow was going to land on this continent sooner or later. Get over it. In fasct, none of us would be typing on these machines if it weren't for exploration and conquer. Ya'll act like the man is still landing on your beaches and telling you about this magnificent guy called Jesus Christ.

Why can't you answer my damn question?

If Native Americans are 'ignorant' for being dismissive of Columbus ,then what what does it say about the Whites in North America who decided to have a National day to celebrate Columbus?


What does that say about the knucklehead Whites who get bent out of shape about someone daring to question why we celebrate this man?



Societies do come into contact with one another & they can share technologies, medicine,science,etc......without enslaving , committing genocide or systematically destroying another's like Europeans did in the Americas( and fairly like many other tyrannical societies).

[NumberSix]

Native Americans don't control North American school curriculum. Whites in America do.

Maybe the poster who called Native Americans 'ignorant' should call those who control curriculum ' ignorant'.

Although Columbus did reach the Americas..........
Maybe you should read it again.

[32jazz]

Maybe you should read it again.

Are you his boyfriend ? Let him answer or you answer for him.


If Columbus never set foot in North America why is there aa National holiday in his honor in North America?

why do North Americans( Whites specifically) get bent out of shape when Columbus or the day celebrating him is called into question?

[Patrick Chewing]

Why can't you answer my damn question?

If Native Americans are 'ignorant' for being dismissive of Columbus ,then what what does it say about the Whites in North America who decided to have a National day to celebrate Columbus?


What does that say about the knucklehead Whites who get bent out of shape about someone daring to question why we celebrate this man?



Societies do come into contact with one another & they can share technologies, medicine,science,etc......without enslaving , committing genocide or systematically destroying another's like Europeans did in the Americas( and fairly like many other tyrannical societies).


Your opinion is already made on Columbus so to debate Columbus with you is futile. Columbus never set foot in North America and never killed a Native American. That's a fact. For some Native Americans to make these assertions 500 years later just shows how ignorant that population continues to be.

[NumberSix]

Are you his boyfriend ? Let him answer or you answer for him.


If Columbus never set foot in North America why is there aa National holiday in his honor in North America?

why do North Americans( Whites specifically) get bent out of shape when Columbus or the day celebrating him is called into question?
He said the whites were ignorant. You obviously read it wrong and thought it said the natives were ignorant, thus all your arguments since misreading that are backwards.

[Akrazotile]

Are you his boyfriend ? Let him answer or you answer for him.


If Columbus never set foot in North America why is there aa National holiday in his honor in North America?

why do North Americans( Whites specifically) get bent out of shape when Columbus or the day celebrating him is called into question?



Look, honestly, this is all no big deal. Lets just put it behind us, okay? Let's go ahead and bury the, uhh... Let's bury the... ummm...

Well I mean you know what Im saying.

[DeuceWallaces]

Looks like some of you need to familiarize yourself with several US territories in the caribbean.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's really simple, actually. 500 years from now, people are going to look back and make judgments on us depending on the circumstances that surround them at the time, which is unfair. I'm sure we'll all look like assholes too.

But to sit in front of a camera and rail on someone or a way of life from so long ago is just dumb.

[TripleA]

You guys know Native Americans were discriminated and targeted by the government in the 1800s and 1900s. It's not just the first contact with Europeans their mad about.

[NumberSix]

You guys know Native Americans were discriminated and targeted by the government in the 1800s and 1900s. It's not just the first contact with Europeans their mad about.
And that has what to do with Christopher Columbus?

[32jazz]

Lol. Lawyers and scientists were just an example of the professions many people in european society aspired to. And army general was also one of them, sure. But In meso american culture the ultimate ambition and really the only one was to be a warrior. It was the greatest sense of pride possible.

The behavior these modern Native Americans criticize Colombus for is the EXACT behavior Indians all glorified among themselves in that period.

Thats my point. Theyre trying to imply that Colombus was unethical in contraposition to the natives and their morals. When in fact its just tribalism (no pun intended) and sour grapes that their peoples got throttled by colombus' peoples.

So you get called on your bald faced & ignorant lie about there being no scientists / architects in Pre Colombian America despite evidence of the marvelous pyramids ,astronomy ,calendars ,etc & much destroyed knowledge by the Europeans. .........and this is your answer?


Obviously many Pre Colombians must have aspired to be much valued architects/ mathematicians after seeing the Pyramids. Many Pre Colombians obviously aspired to be much valued Astronomers & mathematicians.... Priests ,traders, etc.....

The vast majority of Pre Colombian Natives were farmers, hunters ,fisherman, traders & others craftsmen/ trades,etc..... Just like in Europe ,Africa , Asia & most of the world.



You're watching too many John Wayne movies about the "noble savages" instead of learning about real Native Americans.

[Akrazotile]

You're watching too many John Wayne movies about the "noble savages" instead of learning about real Native Americans.

http://i.imgur.com/PcwaSTz.jpg



Well, partner... I reckon you're pretty mad right now.

But tbh, I get a lot of my information from reading books. Reading is fun doe. But maybe I'm reading the wrong stuff. I remember once reading some info about the Injuns written by some relatively-obscure, unaccomplished racist from the colonial period named Benjamin Franklin. He had a first hand account of these people, but ju know what? Imma hold up and trust what you say instead.

[quote]Savages we call them, because their manners differ from ours, which we think the perfection of civility; they think the same of theirs.

Perhaps, if we could examine the manners of different nations with impartiality, we should find no people so rude, as to be without any rules of politeness; nor any so polite, as not to have some remains of rudeness.

The Indian men, when young, are hunters and warriors, when old, counselors; for all their government is by counsel of the sages; there is no force, there are no prisons, no officers to compel obedience, or inflict punishment. Hence they generally study oratory, the best speaker having the most influence. The Indian women till the ground, dress the food, nurse and bring up the children, and preserve and hand down to posterity the memory of public transactions. These employments of men and women are accounted natural and honorable. Having few artificial wants, they have abundance of leisure for improvement by conversation. Our laborious manner of life, compared with theirs, they esteem slavish and base; and the learning, on which we value ourselves, they regard as frivolous and useless. An instance of this occurred at the Treaty of Lancaster, in Pennsylvania, anno 1744, between the government of Virginia and the Six Nations (1. A confederation of Iroquois tribes: Seneca, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk, and Tuscarora.)

After the principal business was settled, the commissioners from Virginia acquainted the Indians by a speech, that there was at Williamsburg a college, with a fund for educating Indian youth; and that, if the Six Nations would send down half a dozen of their young lads to that college, the government would take care that they should be well provided for, and instructed in all the learning of the white people. It is one of the Indian rules of politeness not to answer a public proposition the same day that it is made; they think it would be treating it as a light matter, and that they show it respect by taking time to consider it, as of a matter important. They therefore deferred their answer till the day following; when their speaker began, by expressing their deep sense of the kindness of the Virginia government, in making them that offer;

[Akrazotile]

Franklin literally one of the most accomplished human beings in the history of mankind and one of the most influential literary figures as well.

But I'm sayin, I'm finna take jazz32's word over Franklin's first hand accounts. For real.




The year following, a treaty being to be held with the Indians at Carlisle, the governor sent a message to the House, proposing that they should nominate some of their members, to be joined with some members of council, as commissioners for that purpose. The House named the speaker (Mr. Norris) and myself; and, being commissioned, we went to Carlisle, and met the Indians accordingly.

As those people are extremely apt to get drunk, and, when so, are very quarrelsome and disorderly, we strictly forbade the selling any liquor to them; and when they complained of this restriction, we told them that if they would continue sober during the treaty, we would give them plenty of rum when business was over. They promised this, and they kept their promise, because they could get no liquor; and the treaty was conducted very orderly, and concluded to mutual satisfaction. They then claimed and received the rum; this was in the afternoon: they were near one hundred men, women, and children, and were lodged in temporary cabins, built in the form of a square, just without the town. In the evening, hearing a great noise among them, the commissioners walked out to see what was the matter. We found they had made a great bonfire in the middle of the square; they were all drunk, men and women, quarreling and fighting. Their dark-colored bodies, half naked, seen only by the gloomy light of the bonfire, running after and beating one another with firebrands, accompanied by their horrid yellings, formed a scene the most resembling our ideas of hell that could well be imagined; there was no appeasing the tumult, and we retired to our lodging. At midnight a number of them came thundering at our door, demanding more rum, of which we took no notice.

The next day, sensible they had misbehaved in giving us that disturbance, they sent three of their old counselors to make their apology. The orator acknowledged the fault, but laid it upon the rum; and then endeavored to excuse the rum by saying: "The Great Spirit, who made all things, made everything for some use, and whatever use he designed anything for, that use it should always be Put to. Now, when he made rum, he said,' Let this be for the Indians to get drunk with,' and it must be so." And, indeed, if it be the design of Providence to extirpate these savages in order to make room for cultivators of the earth, it seems not improbable that rum may be the appointed means. It has already annihilated all the tribes who formerly inhabited the sea-coast.


Tell me more about the Red Man, jazz32. I'm so lost after all those years of absorbing John Wayne movies....

[Nick Young]

After the principal business was settled, the commissioners from Virginia acquainted the Indians by a speech, that there was at Williamsburg a college, with a fund for educating Indian youth; and that, if the Six Nations would send down half a dozen of their young lads to that college, the government would take care that they should be well provided for, and instructed in all the learning of the white people. It is one of the Indian rules of politeness not to answer a public proposition the same day that it is made; they think it would be treating it as a light matter, and that they show it respect by taking time to consider it, as of a matter important. They therefore deferred their answer till the day following; when their speaker began, by expressing their deep sense of the kindness of the Virginia government, in making them that offer; “for we know,” says he, “that you highly esteem the kind of learning taught in those Colleges, and that the maintenance of our young men, while with you, would be very expensive to you. We are convinced, therefore, that you mean to do us good by your proposal; and we thank you heartily. But you, who are wise, must know that different nations have different conceptions of things; and you will therefore not take it amiss, if our ideas of this kind of education happen not to be the same with yours. We have had some experience of it; several of our young people were formerly brought up at the colleges of the northern provinces; they were instructed in all your sciences; but, when they came back to us, they were bad runners, ignorant of every means of living in the woods, unable to bear either cold or hunger, knew neither how to build a cabin, take a deer, or kill an enemy, spoke our language imperfectly, were therefore neither fit for hunters, warriors, nor counselors; they were totally good for nothing. We are however not the less obliged by your kind offer, though we decline accepting it; and, to show our grateful sense of it, if the gentlemen of Virginia will send us a dozen of their sons, we will take great care of their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them. ”

TL: DR
So basically, Americans offered free university education to the indians smartest youths. The Indian wise men turned it down, saying they would rather their men learn to hunt and run around in the forest.

If the Indian wise men had chosen differently, America could have been a great mix of Natives and European immigrants sharing eachothers techniques and living in peace forever.

America and the founding fathers tried to make this happen, the Native Americans didn't want it. Their ancestors alive today are paying for their idiotic and shortsighted decisions.

[warriorfan]

Franklin literally one of the most accomplished human beings in the history of mankind and one of the most influential literary figures as well.

But I'm sayin, I'm finna take jazz32's word over Franklin's first hand accounts. For real.






Tell me more about the Red Man, jazz32. I'm so lost after all those years of absorbing John Wayne movies....

A bunch of Indians get really drunk one time....All Indians are wild alcoholic savages

sounds legit

:roll:

[Akrazotile]

TL: DR
So basically, Americans offered free university education to the indians smartest youths. The Indian wise men turned it down, saying they would rather their men learn to hunt and run around in the forest.

If the Indian wise men had chosen differently, America could have been a great mix of Natives and European immigrants sharing eachothers techniques and living in peace forever.

America and the founding fathers tried to make this happen, the Native Americans didn't want it. Their ancestors alive today are paying for their idiotic and shortsighted decisions.

:oldlol:


Sounds like Deucewallaces.

[warriorfan]

TL: DR
So basically, Americans offered free university education to the indians smartest youths. The Indian wise men turned it down, saying they would rather their men learn to hunt and run around in the forest.

If the Indian wise men had chosen differently, America could have been a great mix of Natives and European immigrants sharing eachothers techniques and living in peace forever.

America and the founding fathers tried to make this happen, the Native Americans didn't want it. Their ancestors alive today are paying for their idiotic and shortsighted decisions.

Indians didn't want the white mans life...they had it all figured out for thousands of years and were doing just fine until the whites broke treaties and committed one of the largest acts of genocide in the history of civilization

[Lebron23]

http://www.wrestlingfaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/tatanka.jpg

http://wrestlingnewspost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Tatanka.jpg

[Nick Young]

Indians didn't want the white mans life...they had it all figured out for thousands of years and were doing just fine until the whites broke treaties and committed one of the largest acts of genocide in the history of civilization
doing just fine aka, settling for low standards and stone-age technology for 1000 years with zero progress.

[warriorfan]

doing just fine aka, settling for low standards and stone-age technology for 1000 years with zero progress.

in the last 300 years the planet has been systematically destroyed because of the white industrial revolution and globalization

great progress

:roll:

[brownmamba00]

doing just fine aka, settling for low standards and stone-age technology for 1000 years with zero progress.
Atleast they had the decency to regularly wash themselves unlike europeans who could go months without taking a single damn bath.

[Nick Young]

Atleast they had the decency to regularly wash themselves unlike europeans who could go months without taking a single damn bath.
Scientific progress and writing great works of literature with the system of writing they invented>regular baths and illiteracy

[Nick Young]

in the last 300 years the planet has been systematically destroyed because of the white industrial revolution and globalization

great progress

:roll:
This is a good point, but our tech is so awesome the sacrifice is worth it. Native Americans were better for long term sustainability, European way is better for humanity reaching its ultimate potential.


It is a difficult choice. Probably the Native Americans way is the safer and more conservative way, but the European way is so much more exciting.

[warriorfan]

Scientific progress and writing great works of literature with the system of writing they invented>regular baths and illiteracy

[Great Progress Bro (http://news.discovery.com/animals/endangered-species/half-of-all-marine-life-lost-in-just-40-years-150916.htm)

:roll:

thanks white people

keep on whiting

[Nick Young]

http://www.wrestlingfaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/tatanka.jpg

http://wrestlingnewspost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Tatanka.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/h6peqbR.gif
Kurt Angle>Tatanka


ALL DAY

[warriorfan]

world would be way better if there were no white people

face the facts

[Nick Young]

[Great Progress Bro (http://news.discovery.com/animals/endangered-species/half-of-all-marine-life-lost-in-just-40-years-150916.htm)

:roll:

thanks white people

keep on whiting
Survival of the fittest, bitch.

If species can't cope with change, they gonna go extinct, that's how it always is.


Europeans wrote Paradise Lost and the Count of Monte Cristo and Madame Bovary and Don Quixote.

Thanks white people!


Can you even name anything written by a Native American off the top of your head, besides Free Willy?:confusedshrug:

Thanks Native Americans!

Keep on nativing.

[warriorfan]

you are getting ethered bro

[Nick Young]

you are getting ethered bro
Native Americans ethered themselves bro

[warriorfan]

Native Americans ethered themselves bro

they did they trusted the GOAT murders/scumbags (whites)

fucced up bad

[Nick Young]

they did they trusted the GOAT murders/scumbags (whites)

fucced up bad
Before the murder, white people tried to teach the native americans how to be educated successes. The Native Americans chose to stay hunters and ignore education.

[brownmamba00]

Scientific progress and writing great works of literature with the system of writing they invented>regular baths and illiteracy
Rumour is whites smelled so bad they put soap bars under their wigs they wore everyday as deodorant. Very gypsy thing to do so yeah give me the red skinned half naked but clean man.