2011 - 2013 Heat or 2015 - 2016 Warriors

[SamuraiSWISH]

Who do you have in a best of seven? And who do you think will go down as the historically greater team?

[warriorfan]

as a non biased basketball expert I would have to say warriors, warriors, and curry is the best player on the floor

[WayOfWade]

as a non biased basketball expert I would have to say warriors, warriors, and curry is the best player on the floor
Give me 2013 LeBron over current Curry, that would be the best player on the court. And as for the series, either Heat in 7 or Warriors in 6. If D-Wade is healthy then that'll be a game changer. Don't get me wrong though this could easily go the Warriors way, by no means is it a landslide. And that's my short opinion, however biased it may be

[references]

last year's championship team got taken to 6 by a depleted cavs team with a worse lebron

[SamuraiSWISH]

Ranking the best players individually on the floor:

2011 - 2013 LeBron
2011 Wade
2016 Curry
2015 Curry
2012 Wade

[iTare]

My Heatles in 6

[Rocketswin2013]

I actually think Miami in '12 and '13 would beat them. Probably in less than 7.
They would be their worst nightmare. Successful switching and trapping on every PNR.

But I do think the Warriors are a better team with less flaws and overall more dominant. I think this Warriors team would win against more teams since 1980 than Miami would.

[Megabox!]

Big 3 Heat > Warriors. I can see the Heat slowing down the Warriors a lot more than I can see the Warriors slowing down the Heat. Especially if they're all healthy. That 2013 team was crazy dominate at full strength

[ArbitraryWater]

Ranking the best players individually on the floor:

2011 - 2013 LeBron
2011 Wade
2016 Curry
2015 Curry
2012 Wade

would probably take 2016 Curry over 2011 Wade

[SamuraiSWISH]

would probably take 2016 Curry over 2011 Wade
I'm not a prisoner of the moment ... I value defense as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm not a prisoner of the moment ... I value defense as well.

I see GOAT level offense though, too.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I see GOAT level offense though, too.
Wade wasn't far off that caliber while sharing touches with another 27 ppg scorer. So you take:

GOAT caliber offense and pedestrian defense

Over

Great caliber offense and ELITE defense

That's odd.

Wade was the better ball player. And his 2009 peak is better than a month long stretch from current Curry.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I see GOAT level offense though, too.

Same.

Wade's defense is getting overrated, just look at the impact splits here:
http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2011-rapm/

Curry is playing at a GOAT caliber level offensively, and his defense (or lack there of) just isn't enough to nullify that impact. Not versus Wade at least.

As for the OP, give me the 2015 Warriors over every Heat team. I actually think Miami is an overrated champion, and a lot of their success was based off fluke play and injuries from other teams.

[1987_Lakers]

If you look at both teams at their best, the Warriors are a more balanced dominant team. On offense the Warriors move the ball better, they shoot better, & they have more individual defenders than Miami, they also rebound better. The numbers don't lie, overall Golden State dominated teams at a higher level than Miami, despite playing in a tougher conference.

Miami feasted on teams that didn't move the ball well like Indiana and OKC, but struggled vs a team that shared the ball very well like Dallas and San Antonio. People talk shit about Golden State saying it took them 6 games to beat a depleted Cleveland team, but what about Miami needing 7 games to finish off an Indiana team that were offensively weak? Or how they needed 7 games to finish off an ancient Boston team?

Another thing to consider is.... yes the Miami Big 2 in LeBron and Wade are better than Curry & Thompson, but Golden State's supporting cast kills Miami's supporting cast. Bosh was very inconsistent in Miami, he didn't really fit on that team, Draymond Green is a very versatile player who did all the dirty work and brought energy, he would get the best out of Bosh in a series. Bogut was a DPOY candidate and a very good rim protector, Miami didn't have a center like him. Iggy off the bench is a better player than aging Ray Allen. Barnes and Chalmers who were each team's worst starters, who are you taking? Barnes of course. Look at both teams up and down, there is no doubt the Warriors are more versatile and have a deeper bench.

Golden State takes it in 6 or 7.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm not a prisoner of the moment ... I value defense as well.

Not sure why your are bringing up 2011 Wade considering Miami didn't even win a title that year. 2015 Curry shits on 2012 & 2013 Wade, not even close.

[WayOfWade]

Not sure why your are bringing up 2011 Wade considering Miami didn't even win a title that year. 2015 Curry shits on 2012 & 2013 Wade, not even close.
I think the OP should've clarified by saying the Repeat Heat, 2011-2013 does not include the 2011 finals Heat, it's just the 2011-2012 Heat and the 2012-2013 Heat. If that's the case, should've said 2014-2016 Warriors or something along those lines.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Not sure why your are bringing up 2011 Wade considering Miami didn't even win a title that year. 2015 Curry shits on 2012 & 2013 Wade, not even close.
Read the post and you'll see genius.

I was ranking individual players in respective seasons how they would stand in a hierarchy of best players on the court. 2011 Wade until proven wrong from a whole season and playoffs of this caliber of dominance from Curry is still the better player. In the 2011 season. I also said 2015 and current Steph is better than 2012 and 2013 Wade. So there's that ... read first. Then reply.

Also kuniva saying the Heat are inferior due to injuries (part of the game) and fluke play (which can't really be quantified) as reasons for GSW being better? Couldn't the same apply to them?

:facepalm

The west magically worked out in Golden State's favor last year and they still got taken 6 games by a Cleveland team in the Finals from the "weaker" conference with LeBron going one v five missing his next 2x best players due to INJURY ... and it still almost, hell ... should have went 7 games.

So um, ok. Sound reasoning?!

[TheNaturalWR]

2011 Wade is so underrated. He averaged 25/7/5 on 50%FG while sharing touches with the most ball-dominant player in history. You take LeBron off the team and he's probably at another 09' type of season. I'll take the 2011 Heat and the 2012 Heat in 6. The only reason the 11' Heat didn't win the chip that year is because LeBron decided to disappear. If that never happened, the 11' Heat are easily in the conversation as one of the greatest teams ever. People forget that they breezed through the playoffs and that was with having to face the Celtics and the Bulls too. They had the 2 best players in the league. Not to mention Wade and LeBron would simply charge at the rim every single play if the Warriors want to go small and play Green at the 5.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Also kuniva saying the Heat are inferior due to injuries (part of the game) and fluke play (which can't really be quantified) as reasons for GSW being better? Couldn't the same apply to them?

:facepalm

The west magically worked out in Golden State's favor last year and they still got taken 6 games by a Cleveland team in the Finals from the "weaker" conference with LeBron going one v five missing his next 2x best players due to INJURY ... and it still almost, hell ... should have went 7 games.

People throwing the bold around don't take into account what was explained in 1987 Lakers' post.

Its "sound reasoning" when we apply context to the typical, 'depleted cavs took the warriors to 6 games tho!' response.

You also underrate Curry and severely overrate Wade. Your boy had a negative impact on defense in 2011. Doesn't look all that elite to me. :confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

Like I said in a previous post Miami is at a disadvantage when it comes to depth. Look at the 2013 run, they had past prime Haslem & Chalmers starting in the postseason, and guys like Norris Cole coming off the bench playing 20 mpg. LeBron was amazing playing at a GOAT level that year, but the supporting cast just doesn't catch my attention the way the Warriors supporting cast does, not to mention their best player Curry won MVP.

[warriorfan]

if you take 2011 Wade over 2015/2016 Curry then you are a ****ing troll.

2009 Wade I could see someone making a case but 2011 Wade. No. Just no.

[ArbitraryWater]

Same.

Wade's defense is getting overrated, just look at the impact splits here:
http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2011-rapm/

Curry is playing at a GOAT caliber level offensively, and his defense (or lack there of) just isn't enough to nullify that impact. Not versus Wade at least.

As for the OP, give me the 2015 Warriors over every Heat team. I actually think Miami is an overrated champion, and a lot of their success was based off fluke play and injuries from other teams.

I suspect those stats are low because he started off the 2011 season rather slow defensively, did he not?

[ArbitraryWater]

Same.

Wade's defense is getting overrated, just look at the impact splits here:
http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2011-rapm/

Curry is playing at a GOAT caliber level offensively, and his defense (or lack there of) just isn't enough to nullify that impact. Not versus Wade at least.

As for the OP, give me the 2015 Warriors over every Heat team. I actually think Miami is an overrated champion, and a lot of their success was based off fluke play and injuries from other teams.

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[DMAVS41]

if you take 2011 Wade over 2015/2016 Curry then you are a ****ing troll.

2009 Wade I could see someone making a case but 2011 Wade. No. Just no.


Can't disagree with this.

[HenryGarfunkle]

from 2011-2012 you'd have two players with far greater impact than the warriors best player.

warriors obviously have much better depth, but give me wade and lebron all day everyday. their perimeter D in 2012 with chalmers, battier, wade, lebron.... woo lawd

Shutdown city

We haven't even seen the warriors prove anything except that they can beat a team without two of their three best players. CONGRATS! But you ain't beating lebron and wade so sit the **** down.

[DMAVS41]

It depends. Are the 13 Heat healthy or are they the shell of a team they were in the 13 playoffs?

I think it's just a bad matchup for the Warriors to be honest. The Heat could have gone small with them...and would have been able to slow the game down to a crawl if they wanted as well. Think the 15 finals but with far better players...I don't really give those Warriors much of a shot there...because the matchup just really doesn't favor them.

That could open up to an interesting discussion about matchups and how that impacts better team...etc. Because I think the 15 Warriors were a better team than at least a couple of those Heat teams, but I also think the Heat would beat them in a playoff seris.

If healthy....I think the 11, 12, and 13 Heat beat the 15 Warriors in a series.

16 Warriors? Too early to tell...I'll need to see the playoffs...but if they kept up this level...I'd probably go with them. But this gets tough...because the 13 Heat of their win streak were insanely good as well...so if that 13 Heat team was fully healthy....I'd probably give them the edge in a series over the current Warriors.

With the current Warriors beating the 11 and 12 Heat in a series.

[Papaya Petee]

if you take 2011 Wade over 2015/2016 Curry then you are a ****ing troll.

2009 Wade I could see someone making a case but 2011 Wade. No. Just no.
15/16 Curry has played 15 games. You don't know if he'll be the same player by the end of the year. For all we know he could catch cold streaks or have a god forbid major injury tomorrow. Maybe let the season move on first?

2009 Wade had a stretch averaging 37/10/6/3/2 on 55% FG if you like small samples.


People underrate 2011 Wade so much its mind blowing.
26/6/5/2/1 50% FG while sharing the ball with LeBron while being an elite defender. Wade was arguably the best player that season.

[TommyGriffin]

from 2011-2012 you'd have two players with far greater impact than the warriors best player.

warriors obviously have much better depth, but give me wade and lebron all day everyday. their perimeter D in 2012 with chalmers, battier, wade, lebron.... woo lawd

Shutdown city

We haven't even seen the warriors prove anything except that they can beat a team without two of their three best players. CONGRATS! But you ain't beating lebron and wade so sit the **** down.

You seem rather upset that Stephen Curry is the best player in basketball and is in the process of having one of the greatest seasons of all-time.

[Andrei89]

if you take 2011 Wade over 2015/2016 Curry then you are a ****ing troll.

2009 Wade I could see someone making a case but 2011 Wade. No. Just no.


I take the one with a Finals MVP over Mr. 0 votes

[Suguru101]

Small-Ball GOAT series:

Chalmers - Wade - Battier - LeBron - Bosh

Curry - Klay - Barnes - Iguadala - Green

[inclinerator]

let;s see where curry's number end up after the season first

[Lebron23]

2012 and 2013 Miami Heat > 2015 and 2016 Warriors. They beat them in 5 games.

[ImKobe]

I have faith in 2012 and 2013 Lebron beating the current Warriors

Heck, his team somehow won 2 games last year and he had his worst shooting performance in the Playoffs since the 2007 Finals.

[Lebron23]

Give me 2012 and 2013 Heat. Lebron is still at his athletic peak. A 27 yrs.old LeBron would be unstoppable in a best of 7 series.