Firefighter allowed to pass despite failing tests, on medical leave after 10 days.

[UK2K]

This summer, Choeurlyne Doirin-Holder made news after her classmates at the FDNY training academy complained that she was unqualified to be a firefighter because she wasn’t in good enough shape.

Her classmates claimed that she wasn’t able to run 1.5 miles in 12 minutes.

However, despite failing the fitness portion of the exam, she was allowed to graduate and join the FDNY as a “priority hire” because she had previously experienced racial discrimination.

After only 10 days on the job, she broke her foot during a routine exercise.

http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/struggling-firefighter-injured-after-just-10-days-into-new-job/

Remember when I told you all about lowering standards? This fat piece of shit couldn't run a mile and a half in 12 minutes, so the commissioner of the ****ing NYFD made her her own special stair master challenge so she could pass.

And then she gets hurt jumping off a truck.

But she's a female, and she's black, and we all know the FDNY needs more of both because... well there really isn't a good reason. Cause diversity is great, or something, at least that's what's repeated although I haven't seen it play out like that in real life.

Hope waiver recruits who have no business with other people's lives in their hands never end up trying to put out a fire at my place.

She was a priority hire because she said she'd experienced racial discrimination. Every firefighter should walk off the job til they get rid of this 'we are equal we don't want the right applicants we want the right quotas' bullshit.

[nathanjizzle]

it pisses me off. there are so many cases like this here in chicago where unqualified lazy black people (and whites) are hired for government jobs making 70k+ a year.

[TripleA]

Yeah that stuff is pretty stupid.
If you can't qualify for the job than tough luck.

[DonDadda59]

And then she gets hurt jumping off a truck.

Didn't read the article, but isn't this just an accident that could happen to anyone regardless of how 'qualified' they were to point a hose at fire? :confusedshrug:

Does running 1.5 miles in a certain amount of time make you impervious to pain? Derrick Rose isn't qualified to be an NBA player?

[UK2K]

Didn't read the article, but isn't this just an accident that could happen to anyone regardless of how 'qualified' they were to point a hose at fire? :confusedshrug:

Does running 1.5 miles in a certain amount of time make you impervious to pain? Derrick Rose isn't qualified to be an NBA player?
Being physically fit reduces your likelihood of an injury...fatty.

You'd know that if you had exercised at any point in your life.

The part your glossing over is the fact she shouldn't have been there to begin with, but yes, exercise makes you less susceptible to injury.

If it was a matter of pointing a hose at a fire, there wouldn't be any fitness test at all.

[imdaman99]

How many athletes with bodies like an adonis get hurt on a daily basis? :biggums:
I could have guessed this thread was gonna be about either a woman or a black guy or some other minority. You wouldn't make this thread if it happened to a white guy. Am I right?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Didn't read the article, but isn't this just an accident that could happen to anyone regardless of how 'qualified' they were to point a hose at fire? :confusedshrug:

Does running 1.5 miles in a certain amount of time make you impervious to pain? Derrick Rose isn't qualified to be an NBA player?
No it makes sure you don't have a heart attack when running in and out of a burning building

[UK2K]

How many athletes with bodies like an adonis get hurt on a daily basis? :biggums:
I could have guessed this thread was gonna be about either a woman or a black guy or some other minority. You wouldn't make this thread if it happened to a white guy. Am I right?
Holy shit, no amount of exercise makes you invincible?

What a revelation!

Are you really going to try and argue being physically fit doesn't mitigate the chance of an injury? Please say yes.

And you think white people who fail the test should be passed anyway? I dont. Maybe we should just get rid of the test all together? That's fair and equal to everyone right?

[DonDadda59]

Being physically fit reduces your likelihood of an injury...fatty.

You'd know that if you had exercised at any point in your life.

The part your glossing over is the fact she shouldn't have been there to begin with, but yes, exercise makes you less susceptible to injury.

If it was a matter of pointing a hose at a fire, there wouldn't be any fitness test at all.

:oldlol:

I guarantee you I'm more athletic than you at my absolute worst. Sit down you clown.

Just seems like certain people were sitting around waiting for this girl to do anything they could write a story about. It'd be one thing if she somehow couldn't put out a fire or suffered some other actual job-related failure... But this was just an accident that could happen to anyone, regardless of how fit they were.

If your mom tripped and fell on her way to the bathroom, broke her ankle... Is that proof she wasn't qualified to be a pole dancer?

One has nothing to do with the other.

[senelcoolidge]

I was fire fighter certified at one time. When through the process with several departments and I'm familiar with these physical ability tests. No shock from me. It's all about who you know and if you're a minority that's need to fill a spot. Black females will definitely get hired. I remember there was a new hiring class for a department and they complained that the P.T. was too hard. So the instructors didn't make them do push ups and some of the other rigorous exercises...this was a class with females. My class was doing P.T. in the blazing sun in bunker gear. :facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

:oldlol:

I guarantee you I'm more athletic than you at my absolute worst. Sit down you clown.

Just seems like certain people were sitting around waiting for this girl to do anything they could write a story about. It'd be one thing if she somehow couldn't put out a fire or suffered some other actual job-related failure... But this was just an accident that could happen to anyone, regardless of how fit they were.

If your mom tripped and fell on her way to the bathroom, broke her ankle... Is that proof she wasn't qualified to be a pole dancer?

One has nothing to do with the other.
A more apt comparison would be if she fell off a pole, ya know, like this girl fell off a fire truck

[DonDadda59]

A more apt comparison would be if she fell off a pole, ya know, like this girl fell off a fire truck

Type 'firefighter injured' into google. Looks like there's a whole lot of unqualified motherf*ckers working for fire departments around the country.

The alarming lack of logic...

[KyrieTheFuture]

Type 'firefighter injured' into google. Looks like there's a whole lot of unqualified motherf*ckers working for fire departments around the country.

The alarming lack of logic...
I don't give one single **** about her broken foot. She couldn't pass the test, but is still a fire fighter. That is ridiculous. If she was not on medical leave I would still feel this way. Her injury is irrelevant to me, I'm just pointing out your horrific logic.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Lowering or disregarding the physical standards for women and the written tests for African Americans is the new norm for fire and police departments. Ain't it just swell...

[DonDadda59]

I don't give one single **** about her broken foot. She couldn't pass the test, but is still a fire fighter. That is ridiculous. If she was not on medical leave I would still feel this way. Her injury is irrelevant to me, I'm just pointing out your horrific logic.

How was my logic 'horrific'? :oldlol:

Even if she is not qualified to point a hose at a fire, how is her hurting herself accidentally an indication of that? Everyone who gets injured at their place of employment, regardless of the circumstances, is automatically not qualified for their job?

How does that make any bit of sense whatsoever?

[KyrieTheFuture]

How was my logic 'horrific'? :oldlol:

Even if she is not qualified to point a hose at a fire, how is her hurting herself accidentally an indication of that? Everyone who gets injured at their place of employment, regardless of the circumstances, is automatically not qualified for their job?

How does that make any bit of sense whatsoever?
The. Injury. Is. Not. Relevant. To. What. I. Am. Saying.

[DonDadda59]

The. Injury. Is. Not. Relevant. To. What. I. Am. Saying.

The injury is not relevant to anything. Which is my point.

But that's 'horrific logic'.

Just stubbed my toe going to the bathroom. Not qualified to post on ISH any more. :(

[UK2K]

Type 'firefighter injured' into google. Looks like there's a whole lot of unqualified motherf*ckers working for fire departments around the country.

The alarming lack of logic...
Say it.

Let me hear you say exercise doesn't mitigate injury like you're trying to claim, without outright saying it.

Let me hear you argue it, back it up with statistics and evidence too.

You're doing everything you can to not admit she should have never been there if she couldn't have passed the test. Why? Do you want shitty firefighters that meet a quota even though they may be not be able to carry your fat ass out of your mom's basement?


But Doirin-Holder’s competence was questioned by sources familiar with her training. They said academy instructors let her pass the Functional Skills Test, a rigorous obstacle course of job-related tasks, even though she had failed to complete it in the required 17 minutes and 50 seconds or under.

In addition, when she failed to finish a 1.5-mile run in 12 minutes or less — even after the course was shortened — she was allowed to demonstrate aerobic capacity on a StairMaster machine under watered-down requirements enacted by FDNY Commissioner Daniel Nigro.

Doirin-Holder, who turns 40 this month, is one of 282 “priority hires” passed over in 1999 and 2000. Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis ordered they must get preference as victims of past discrimination against minorities.

It was Doirin-Holder’s third attempt to pass the academy. She failed midway through an academy class in 2013 and returned to her former job as an EMT. Two other female priority hires in that class did well.

[UK2K]

Doirin-Holder started another class in early 2014 but dropped out because of an injury. The FDNY then gave her a desk job and kept her on the payroll at top firefighter salary, $76,488. She made $81,376 with overtime in 2014 and entered her third class this summer.

Since she was injured on duty, she is eligible for a disability pension that would pay three-quarters of her annual salary, tax-free, if deemed unfit to return.

She was paid +80k a year because she failed out of the Academy a second time?

I wish I could ask her how embarrassing it must be that the commissioner of the FDNY has to make a special stair master test for you. But, as long as she getting that money, she probably doesn't give two shit.

[DonDadda59]

Say it.

Let me hear you say exercise doesn't mitigate injury like you're trying to claim, without outright saying it.

Let me hear you argue it, back it up with statistics and evidence too.

You're doing everything you can to not admit she should have never been there if she couldn't have passed the test. Why? Do you want shitty firefighters that meet a quota even though they may be not be able to carry your fat ass out of your mom's basement?

I don't care if she was 'qualified' or not... Just pointing out how idiotic it is to say her getting injured is an indication of that. And who cares if exercise mitigates injury? Are you saying that only out of shape people get injured... that even the most physically fit or 'qualified' hose-pointer can't get hurt accidentally?

Let me guess, all these firefighters were out of shape slobs and that's why they were hurt:


Based on data the NFPA received from fire departments responding to the 2014 National Fire Experience Survey, the NFPA estimates that 63,350 firefighter injuries occurred in the line of duty in 2014. An estimated 27,015 (42.6%) of all firefighter injuries occurred during fireground operations. An estimated 10,695 occurred during other on duty activities, while 14,595 occurred at non-fire emergency incidents. The leading type of injury received during fireground operations was strain, sprain or muscular pain (52.6%), followed by wound, cut, bleeding, bruise (13.6%). Regionally, the West had the highest fireground injury rate.

http://www.nfpa.org/~/media/images/research-and-reports/report-graphics/ffinjuries2014.jpg?as=1&iar=1&&h=315&w=461&la=en

http://www.nfpa.org/research/reports-and-statistics/the-fire-service/fatalities-and-injuries/firefighter-injuries-in-the-united-states


Looks like about 7,000 (11%) firefighters were injured while training/exercising last year :oldlol:

Face it- certain people were sitting around praying for ANYTHING to write about this chick to try to prove some misguided point. They jumped on the first opportunity they thought they had without fully thinking it through. Pure idiocy.

[UK2K]

I don't care if she was 'qualified' or not... Just pointing out how idiotic it is to say her getting injured is an indication of that. And who cares if exercise mitigates injury? Are you saying that only out of shape people get injured... that even the most physically fit or 'qualified' hose-pointer can't get hurt accidentally?

Let me guess, all these firefighters were out of shape slobs and that's why they were hurt:


Based on data the NFPA received from fire departments responding to the 2014 National Fire Experience Survey, the NFPA estimates that 63,350 firefighter injuries occurred in the line of duty in 2014. An estimated 27,015 (42.6%) of all firefighter injuries occurred during fireground operations. An estimated 10,695 occurred during other on duty activities, while 14,595 occurred at non-fire emergency incidents. The leading type of injury received during fireground operations was strain, sprain or muscular pain (52.6%), followed by wound, cut, bleeding, bruise (13.6%). Regionally, the West had the highest fireground injury rate.

http://www.nfpa.org/~/media/images/research-and-reports/report-graphics/ffinjuries2014.jpg?as=1&iar=1&&h=315&w=461&la=en

http://www.nfpa.org/research/reports-and-statistics/the-fire-service/fatalities-and-injuries/firefighter-injuries-in-the-united-states


Looks like about 7,000 (11%) firefighters were injured while training/exercising last year :oldlol:

Face it- certain people were sitting around praying for ANYTHING to write about this chick to try to prove some misguided point. They jumped on the first opportunity they thought they had without fully thinking it through. Pure idiocy.

I'm saying people who are physically fit are less susceptible to injury. I don't understand what's confusing about that to you.

I don't care about NFL players. I don't care about other injuries. I care that people who are unhealthy are more likely to fall victim to injury. That's why fat people pay more for insurance.

Now if that is confusing to you at all, let me know, and I'll cite 10,000 sources that say exactly what I'm saying now.

Unhealthy people who are not physically fit get injured more often than healthy people, despite the healthy ones doing more physical activity. True or false. Simple question.

If you can't answer it, then just stop replying and save yourself the embarrassment of trying to defend this piece of shit who was gifted a nearly 6 figure government job over more qualified applicants because she is black. And literally, that's the only reason she got the job. The only reason.

[DonDadda59]

I'm saying people who are physically fit are less susceptible to injury. I don't understand what's confusing about that to you.

I don't care about NFL players. I don't care about other injuries. I care that people who are unhealthy are more likely to fall victim to injury. That's why fat people pay more for insurance.

Now if that is confusing to you at all, let me know, and I'll cite 10,000 sources that say exactly what I'm saying now.

Unhealthy people who are not physically fit get injured more often than healthy people, despite the healthy ones doing more physical activity. True or false. Simple question.

If you can't answer it, then just stop replying and save yourself the embarrassment of trying to defend this piece of shit who was gifted a nearly 6 figure government job over more qualified applicants because she is black. And literally, that's the only reason she got the job. The only reason.

Keep digging, Broseph. :oldlol:

All 7,000 of the firefighters who were injured WHILE TRAINING last year (And all the 14,595 who were hurt during non-fires) were injured because they were lazy and fat and unqualified right?

I mean that's what the article writer and yourself will have people believe right? It wasn't because of accidents that can and do happen to anyone regardless of physical condition... it's because they were all out of shape, while training and doing other non fire fighting duties. Every last one of them- out of shape and unqualified for their job.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

[DeuceWallaces]

Dumbass is up in arms trolling a basketball message board because a black firefighter recruit may have avoided a non active duty injury with a more rigorous pre injury fitness regime.

Maybe they should increase fitness examination even higher as to avoid the total injury rate? But you don't really give a shit. Just angry dumbass Kentucky white dude ranting on the internet about minorities.

[Patrick Chewing]

Dumbass is up in arms trolling a basketball message board because a black firefighter recruit may have avoided a non active duty injury with a more rigorous pre injury fitness regime.

Maybe they should increase fitness examination even higher as to avoid the total injury rate? But you don't really give a shit. Just angry dumbass Kentucky white dude ranting on the internet about minorities.


Your pansy ass ranting away like the bitch that you are still doesn't make what happened here right.

[GIF REACTION]

Chewing would get Deuce in a headlock and give him the biggest noogie. MANHANDLED.

[NumberSix]

Is she a black?

[DeuceWallaces]

Your pansy ass ranting away like the bitch that you are still doesn't make what happened here right.

What happened?

If you read the 3 articles on the situation there's no proof that anything happened. There's one source who's pissed about new recruits and how the test has changed over the years. No statistics on prior injury rates before the changes. Bunch of potential muckraking.

[iamgine]

http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/struggling-firefighter-injured-after-just-10-days-into-new-job/

Remember when I told you all about lowering standards? This fat piece of shit couldn't run a mile and a half in 12 minutes, so the commissioner of the ****ing NYFD made her her own special stair master challenge so she could pass.

And then she gets hurt jumping off a truck.

But she's a female, and she's black, and we all know the FDNY needs more of both because... well there really isn't a good reason. Cause diversity is great, or something, at least that's what's repeated although I haven't seen it play out like that in real life.

Hope waiver recruits who have no business with other people's lives in their hands never end up trying to put out a fire at my place.

She was a priority hire because she said she'd experienced racial discrimination. Every firefighter should walk off the job til they get rid of this 'we are equal we don't want the right applicants we want the right quotas' bullshit.
She didn't pass her running in 12 minutes, but what if in every other test she performed better than her peers? Is there proof that they don't also sometimes pass students in similar case but different race/gender?

Quotas are there for a reason. It's a much broader subject.

[UK2K]

Dumbass is up in arms trolling a basketball message board because a black firefighter recruit may have avoided a non active duty injury with a more rigorous pre injury fitness regime.

Maybe they should increase fitness examination even higher as to avoid the total injury rate? But you don't really give a shit. Just angry dumbass Kentucky white dude ranting on the internet about minorities.
Awesome input.

You said a whole lot to say nothing at all.

So you're in the 'exercise doesn't mitigate injury' camp too. So you're fat too.

[UK2K]

Keep digging, Broseph. :oldlol:

All 7,000 of the firefighters who were injured WHILE TRAINING last year (And all the 14,595 who were hurt during non-fires) were injured because they were lazy and fat and unqualified right?

I mean that's what the article writer and yourself will have people believe right? It wasn't because of accidents that can and do happen to anyone regardless of physical condition... it's because they were all out of shape, while training and doing other non fire fighting duties. Every last one of them- out of shape and unqualified for their job.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

Keep dodging my question.

You're done. Simple question that you can't answer. Good chat.

[UK2K]

She didn't pass her running in 12 minutes, but what if in every other test she performed better than her peers? Is there proof that they don't also sometimes pass students in similar case but different race/gender?

Quotas are there for a reason. It's a much broader subject.
The FDNY for the first time in its history will allow someone who failed its crucial physical fitness test to join the Bravest, The Post has learned.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/

May 3rd 2015. First time in history they passed someone who didn't successfully complete the exam. Another fat chick who can't walk up a flight of stairs.

So to answer your question... no its not common and it just started this spring.

And good news DW! She's white, and guess what, she doesn't deserve to be part of the FDNY either. You don't care though cause you can't scream racist.

And if it was a fat man who failed, he doesn't deserve the job either. There's nothing discriminatory (other than being a preferential hire) about that. You pass or you dont.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Dumbass is up in arms trolling a basketball message board because a black firefighter recruit may have avoided a non active duty injury with a more rigorous pre injury fitness regime.

Maybe they should increase fitness examination even higher as to avoid the total injury rate? But you don't really give a shit. Just angry dumbass Kentucky white dude ranting on the internet about minorities.
They don't need to, she didn't pass the original test.

[DeuceWallaces]

They don't need to, she didn't pass the original test.

Read more closely. The total injury rate that was posted in this thread.

[falc39]

People arguing about injury rates completely missed the point. The fact that they are passing people who can't get through the standard test and enforcing double standards is the issue here :facepalm

[UK2K]

They don't need to, she didn't pass the original test.
But DW knows how to make people impervious to injury.

That, and he believes being physically fit doesn't mitigate injury.

[AlphaWolf24]

Keep digging, Broseph. :oldlol:

All 7,000 of the firefighters who were injured WHILE TRAINING last year (And all the 14,595 who were hurt during non-fires) were injured because they were lazy and fat and unqualified right?

I mean that's what the article writer and yourself will have people believe right? It wasn't because of accidents that can and do happen to anyone regardless of physical condition... it's because they were all out of shape, while training and doing other non fire fighting duties. Every last one of them- out of shape and unqualified for their job.

Tell me where I'm wrong.



Dumbass is up in arms trolling a basketball message board because a black firefighter recruit may have avoided a non active duty injury with a more rigorous pre injury fitness regime.

Maybe they should increase fitness examination even higher as to avoid the total injury rate? But you don't really give a shit. Just angry dumbass Kentucky white dude ranting on the internet about minorities


Damn!...white and Black teaming up and shutting it down!

see what happens when we work together...

UK Y2k getting merked left and Right.....White and Black.


http://www.vooble.com/jpg-images/Breaking%20Bad%20_(.jpg

[UK2K]

Damn!...white and Black teaming up and shutting it down!

see what happens when we work together...

UK Y2k getting merked left and Right.....White and Black.


http://www.vooble.com/jpg-images/Breaking%20Bad%20_(.jpg
The only argument I've heard is that being physically fit doesn't mitigate injury. Until I see evidence of that...

Im right here.

The interesting thing about this thread is some are more interested in making that argument (without saying it outright) than they are upset that someone was gifted a nearly six figure government job that they help pay for despite not even being remotely qualified.

But God damnit if we dont stop tax loops...

Ironically, some dont seem to care about government waste in this instance.