Currys points per shot right now is 1.52. the equivelant of a 75% shooter on just 2s

[kennethgriffin]

jordan and kobes pps is 1.30 for their careers


even the fg% protecting stat padding layup spammer lebron is only 1.38 for his career

supposedly the most dominant ever shaquille oneal was 1.46 pps



a high volume high percentage 3 point shooter is truly the GOAT prototypical offensive player



stephen curry for his volume and ability to hit any shot is the best offensive player that ever played the game of basketball...

due to his ability to shoot any type of shot at that kind of efficiency.


yes hes above even my favorite player ever ... kobe bean bryant


all that separates curry from being better than all these guys overall is defense

http://www.piodeportes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/curry3pot_crop_north.jpg

who cares if he cant double pump and hang in the air ... ahemmm.. ( 3ball )

:lol

[warriorfan]

GOAT offensive player 2015/2016 Steph Curry

[Cocaine80s]

1-14

[kennethgriffin]

GOAT offensive player 2015/2016 Steph Curry


shaq during his "MDE season" 1999-2000 averaged 1.40 points per shot


.12 less than 2015-16 curry

[kennethgriffin]

1-14


i dont see how this is a retaliation to me saying curry is more potent on offense right now than kobe ever was



i literally just made a thread the other day saying 2015-16 kobe is the worst player that ever played in the nba period



i'm a realist

not a homer

[TommyGriffin]

Truly an amazing player and human being. If only he were on my Hornets. Although, Kemba Walker and Jeremy Lin have played admirably this season.

[warriorfan]

shaq during his "MDE season" 1999-2000 averaged 1.40 points per shot


.12 less than 2015-16 curry

yup

then factor in Curry's play making

factor in Curry draws defenders AWAY from the hoop rather than towards it

and factor that Curry is as deadly with the ball as he is off the ball

Offensive GOAT in a landslide

[Jameerthefear]

outstanding efficiency. but it's too early to say GOAT

[TommyGriffin]

outstanding efficiency. but it's too early to say GOAT

Maybe, but it's too late to say he's not.

[JohnMax]

Had he had Kobe's athleticism, he'd be GOAT

[PsychoBe]

and thing is he's only gonna get better as he ages because he doesn't need athleticism, he just needs to be able to not only shoot, but shoot great, and he'll never stop working on his game due to his insane work ethic.

he can win 3 straight championships. he's just that good.

[kennethgriffin]

Had he had Kobe's athleticism, he'd be GOAT


defense isnt all about athleticism


i think theres allot of skill to it.. out of kobes 12 defensive teams only 2 or so were off reputation

[HenryGarfunkle]

i dont see how this is a retaliation to me saying curry is more potent on offense right now than kobe ever was



i literally just made a thread the other day saying 2015-16 kobe is the worst player that ever played in the nba period



i'm a realist

not a homer
So I'm jump shit and now literally everyone follows suit?

STICK WITH YOUR GUY!

I made it cool to hop bandwagons? :lol :facepalm

This is ****ing sad from you kids.

[TommyGriffin]

So I'm jump shit and now literally everyone follows suit?

STICK WITH YOUR GUY!

I made it cool to hop bandwagons? :lol :facepalm

This is ****ing sad from you kids.

You don't jump shit, you are shit.

[FKAri]

and thing is he's only gonna get better as he ages because he doesn't need athleticism, he just needs to be able to not only shoot, but shoot great, and he'll never stop working on his game due to his insane work ethic.

he can win 3 straight championships. he's just that good.

There are mere inches between him getting his shot off and his defender blocking the shot. That's all quickness of not just release but of him getting to his spot.

[Papaya Petee]

defense isnt all about athleticism


i think theres allot of skill to it.. out of kobes 12 defensive teams only 2 or so were off reputation
LOL

[kennethgriffin]

LOL



if it truly was all about rep. lebron would have made 1st team defense last season


you're lucky i'm even giving you 2 out of 12

[PsychoBe]

There are mere inches between him getting his shot off and his defender blocking the shot. That's all quickness of not just release but of him getting to his spot.

that's more mechanics than shear athleticism. as his quickness begins to fade his mechanics will still remain sharp imo.

[ShawkFactory]

if it truly was all about rep. lebron would have made 1st team defense last season


you're lucky i'm even giving you 2 out of 12
What? Lebron didn't have the rep as a great defensive player early in his career.

[kennethgriffin]

What? Lebron didn't have the rep as a great defensive player early in his career.


i said last year

[ShawkFactory]

i said last year
I'm aware..

Kobe had a reputation early in his career that carries over. Lebron hasn't had that. Plus he was actually terrible defensively last year.

[kennethgriffin]

I'm aware..

Kobe had a reputation early in his career that carries over. Lebron hasn't had that. Plus he was actually terrible defensively last year.


lebron made 5 defensive 1st teams in a row. then espn told the world he can defend all 5 positions


i think he had tons of hype


but the defensive team voters didnt buy it last year cause lebron fell off ( as you said yourself )


so when a guy falls off hes cut from the 1st team. this only proves my point


i said at best kobe was gifted his last 2 teams.


for anyone to say kobe was gifted all 12 is ludicrous

[ShawkFactory]

lebron made 5 defensive 1st teams in a row. then espn told the world he can defend all 5 positions


i think he had tons of hype


but the defensive team voters didnt buy it last year cause lebron fell off ( as you said yourself )


so when a guy falls off hes cut from the 1st team. this only proves my point


i said at best kobe was gifted his last 2 teams.


for anyone to say kobe was gifted all 12 is ludicrous
There's a huge amount of middle ground between being bad defensively and being 1st team all-NBA.

[inclinerator]

16 games

[PHILA]

Currys points per shot right now is 1.52. the equivelant of a 75% shooter on just 2s
1986: 1.54
1987: 1.67
1988: 1.76
1989: 1.69
1990: 1.69
1991: 1.58
1992: 1.54


Not quite 75% from overall 2 point range, but 81% at the rim over a large sample (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10557988&postcount=55) of games. He was so effective in the paint, even his subpar 3 point shooting couldn't bring his PPS down too much.

http://i.imgur.com/aBOuqIa.jpg

[dabigbaws]

Durant is 1.53

[ShawkFactory]

Which gives a shit 3ball, Curry is the far more efficient overall player.

[J Shuttlesworth]

2014 LeBron and Durant = 1.54 points per shot... OVER A WHOLE SEASON :biggums:

[3ball]

misinformation itt

[kennethgriffin]

2014 LeBron and Durant = 1.54 points per shot... OVER A WHOLE SEASON :biggums:


A 6-9 and 7 footer


Not exactly the same considering curry has at most 1-2 fg's inside the paint per game

Those other 2 guys probly had 8 or 9

[3ball]

jordan and kobes pps is 1.30 for their careers


Reggie Miller's points per shot is 1.44 for his career, so the stat is useless.

Everyone knows that points per POSSESSION is what matters, because that includes assists, turnovers, FT's and other things.

MJ's points-per-possession is better than Curry's and virtually any player he's compared to.





who cares if he cant double pump and hang in the air ... ahemmm.. ( 3ball )



MJ didn't just hang in the air - he was a FAR better shooter than Curry inside 20 feet - this is statistical fact:


.........................MJ 1997........................Curry 2015

5-9 ft.............. 49.2%, 126 fga................ 40.3%, 72 fga

10-14 ft.......... 51.5%, 466 fga................ 52.9%, 85 fga

15-19 ft.......... 49.5%, 594 fga................ 43.9%, 132 fga


Link to MJ's 1997 shooting data: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Link to Curry's 2015 shooting data: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


https://media.giphy.com/media/14yzBgpfJSr5nO/giphy.gif

[kennethgriffin]

Reggie Miller's points per shot is 1.44 for his career, so the stat is useless.

Everyone knows that points per POSSESSION is what matters, because that includes assists, turnovers, FT's and other things.

And MJ's points-per-possession destroys Curry's and virtually any player he's compared to.




MJ didn't just hang in the air - he was a FAR better shooter than Curry inside 20 feet - this is statistical fact:


.........................MJ 1997........................Curry 2015

5-9 ft.............. 49.2%, 126 fga................ 40.3%, 72 fga

10-14 ft.......... 51.5%, 466 fga................ 52.9%, 85 fga

15-19 ft.......... 49.5%, 594 fga................ 43.9%, 132 fga


Link to MJ's 1997 shooting data: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Link to Curry's 2015 shooting data: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


Miller cheated though

That leg kick is an offensive foul in todays gane. But he got to the line every single time with it.

[J Shuttlesworth]

What was MJ's best points per shot season?

[Marchesk]

1986: 1.54
1987: 1.67
1988: 1.76
1989: 1.69
1990: 1.69
1991: 1.58
1992: 1.54

So does that make Chuck the GOAT offensive player, given that he destroys Curry in this one all-important stat?

[kennethgriffin]

Reggie Miller's points per shot is 1.44 for his career, so the stat is useless.

Everyone knows that points per POSSESSION is what matters, because that includes assists, turnovers, FT's and other things.

MJ's points-per-possession is better than Curry's and virtually any player he's compared to.




MJ didn't just hang in the air - he was a FAR better shooter than Curry inside 20 feet - this is statistical fact:


.........................MJ 1997........................Curry 2015

5-9 ft.............. 49.2%, 126 fga................ 40.3%, 72 fga

10-14 ft.......... 51.5%, 466 fga................ 52.9%, 85 fga

15-19 ft.......... 49.5%, 594 fga................ 43.9%, 132 fga


Link to MJ's 1997 shooting data: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Link to Curry's 2015 shooting data: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


https://media.giphy.com/media/14yzBgpfJSr5nO/giphy.gif



Nobody cares about just inside 20 feet

Its proven that currys style is more productive since he has a high volume 3 point usage.. that is literally the main reason hes more effective.. and youre simply discounting it


Lol stfu

[PHILA]

So does that make Chuck the GOAT offensive player, given that he destroys Curry in this one all-important stat?

He is certainly one of them. :pimp:

[kennethgriffin]

So does that make Chuck the GOAT offensive player, given that he destroys Curry in this one all-important stat?


during those years chuck was strictly bruiser inside


in my OP i said "due to his ability to shoot any type of shot at that kind of efficiency."


once barkley started shooting allot of long range shots by 1993 ( his mvp year ) his pps dropped to 1.41



i'm saying curry being able to hit over 1.50+ with the type of shots he takes. its more impressive


barkley was getting to the line way more when he accepted more contact ... which was a large reason for his pps being so high. curry avoids contact... thats the difference

[3ball]

Its proven that currys style is more productive since he has a high volume 3 point usage.. that is literally the main reason hes more affective..


You're factually incorrect - it's statistical fact that MJ produced more per possession:

MJ's career ORtg is 118 (120 as a Bull), compared to Curry's 115.

Honestly, ever since Kobe's decline this season, your posts have really fallen off... You need to hitch your wagon to a better family than the Curry family... They aren't getting it done for you.





Nobody cares about just inside 20 feet


3-pointers are easier to shut down than the diversity of shots taken within 20 feet.

Also, 3-pointers didn't exist before 1980, so having goat ability inside 20 feet ensures you're the best in ANY era, not just today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly game.
.

[Shih508]

Had he had Kobe's athleticism, he'd be GOAT

How about AI's? GOAT OF GOAT?

[ShawkFactory]

You're factually incorrect - it's statistical fact that MJ produced more per possession:

MJ's career ORtg is 118 (120 as a Bull), compared to Curry's 115.

Honestly, ever since Kobe's decline this season, your posts have really fallen off... You need to hitch your wagon to a better family than the Curry family... They aren't getting it done for you.



3-pointers are easier to shut down than the diversity of shots taken within 20 feet.

Also, 3-pointers didn't exist before 1980, so having goat ability inside 20 feet ensures you're the best in ANY era, not just today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly game.
.
They aren't easier to shut down if you're steph curry

[3ball]

They aren't easier to shut down if you're steph curry


From SB Nation:


But defensively, Dellavedova earned his playing time and more. He harangued Curry through one of the worst nights not only of his career, but in NBA Finals history. When the scrub guarded the MVP in the halfcourt, the MVP shot 0-for-8, missing all five of his three pointers and committing four turnovers. Curry went 3-for-18 when Dellavedova was on the court. Curry could have set the record for most three-pointers attempted in an NBA Finals game with his misses alone, going 2-for-15 from deep. Curry had more turnovers than assists, something he only did once in the regular season. And Delly was guarding him when the Warriors had a chance to win ... and forced an airball:



MJ would lock Curry down much worse than Delladova did - same way MJ locked down the more athletic Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Gary Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0), Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw), Tim Hardaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s), Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8), etc., etc.

[J Shuttlesworth]

3ball, what's MJ's highest points per shot in a season?

[3ball]

3ball, what's MJ's highest points per shot in a season?


Reggie Miller's points per shot is 1.44 for his career, so the stat is useless.

Everyone knows that points per POSSESSION is what matters, because that includes assists, turnovers, FT's and other things.

MJ's points-per-possession is better than Curry's and virtually any player he's compared to.

[fpliii]

https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/mj-gif.gif

[3ball]

https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/mj-gif.gif
yikes

[3ball]

3ball, what's MJ's highest points per shot in a season?


MJ did exactly what the other wings did efficiency-wise, but just MORE OF IT (higher shot volume).

If Kobe and Lebron could shoot more at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't.

So imagine Kobe and Lebron DOING MORE - that's MJ:


JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[J Shuttlesworth]

Reggie Miller's points per shot is 1.44 for his career, so the stat is useless.

Everyone knows that points per POSSESSION is what matters, because that includes assists, turnovers, FT's and other things.

MJ's points-per-possession is better than Curry's and virtually any player he's compared to.
Why are you ducking the question? What's MJs PPS?