Adrian Dantley 1.533 points per shot

[Marchesk]

For his career. Highest of all time. He also has the highest TS% ever of 61.7%. His career ORTG is 119.

Let's compare with a couple other great offensive threats.

Curry

60.5 TS%
115 ORTG
1.521 pps (this season)

Jordan

56.9 TS%
118 ORTG (to be fair, Washington days dragged him down from 120)
1.316 pps

Shaq

58.6 TS%
113 ORTG
1.47 pps

[FKAri]

Everyone knows he was a Godlike scorer. Rich man's Carmelo Anthony.

[kennethgriffin]

he was very talented

but also a cancer/team killer


the pistons traded him and instantly became a championship team

[Marchesk]

he was very talented

but also a cancer/team killer


the pistons traded him and instantly became a championship team

And when he was on the team, they lost a close 7 game series to the Lakers with a BS call on Lambier. Dantley led the team in scoring in the finals.

But yeah, he and Isiah couldn't coexist, so ...

Given what we know about Isiah now, are we so sure it was all Dantley's fault?

[buddha]

just tried to watch his highlights. what a weak ****ing era.

[Marchesk]

just tried to watch his highlights. what a weak ****ing era.

83 Sixers would beat current Warriors in a 7 game series.

[3ball]

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Barkley and Dantley are just like all the others - they DO LESS (less volume) at the same points-per-possession:

Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
BARKLEY: 30.0 pts.. 5.4 oreb.. 11.3 drb.. 5.1 ast.. 3.7 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 20.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 58.4 ts
DANTLEY: 30.5 pts.. 2.9 oreb.. 4.8 dreb.. 3.3 ast.. 3.6 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 0.1 blk.. 19.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 60.6 ts


If Kobe, Lebron or Barkley could shot more at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't... So imagine Kobe, Lebron and Barkley DOING MORE - that's MJ.


JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts
BARKLEY: 30.0 pts.. 5.4 oreb.. 11.3 drb.. 5.1 ast.. 3.7 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 20.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 58.4 ts
DANTLEY: 30.5 pts.. 2.9 oreb.. 4.8 dreb.. 3.3 ast.. 3.6 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 0.1 blk.. 19.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 60.6 ts


Considering the #2 thru #7 spots above averaged between 30 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 player would be at 37 or 38... But instead, MJ was at 43.3, far above the pack.

[SHAQisGOAT]

AD's certainly one of the GOAT scorers but his impact is not even close to any of those players you've mentioned there...

Adrian has the GOAT scoring post-game for any non-big, he was terrific off the ball to get into great position in order to score, he was extremely methodical and surgical with it, simply great at finishing inside, amazing at using his body and all the angles, had one of the GOAT pump-fakes, major soft-touch from close range, he could knock down the mid-range jumper when given the space, he was very good at protecting the ball when making his move, one of the greatest ever at drawing fouls and shot very good FT%'s, dude had tremendous work-ethic in order to improve his game while growing up...

BUT, speaking of prime Dantley, he didn't give a single **** about playing D or about defensive rebounding; he had some passing skills but turned into a blackhole much more than he should've and was many times only passing when there was nothing else he could do; he overdid it a whole lot; dude was great off the ball but only for his own profit; he wasn't a great leader; he was a major ball-stopper and also a ballhog; he was a shitty teammate many times(on and off the court); he wasn't known to be clutch or a big-time Playoffs performer...

Despite being a terrific scorer and having some ridiculous (scoring) stats... There's a reason why he never had much team success as the team's leader/#1-option, there's a reason why he never even was top5 in MVP voting and also never made the all-NBA 1st team, there's a reason why he was never mentioned amongst the league's VERY BEST players...

[SHAQisGOAT]

And when he was on the team, they lost a close 7 game series to the Lakers with a BS call on Lambier. Dantley led the team in scoring in the finals.

But yeah, he and Isiah couldn't coexist, so ...

Given what we know about Isiah now, are we so sure it was all Dantley's fault?

That's all true... And I do think that they did him dirty in order to get Isiah's great friend, Mark Aguirre. Plus, AD changed some of his ways, was giving considerably more effort on defense, gave up plenty of his usual shots/touches, became a great mentor to guys like Joey-D... BUT, with all of that said, Aguirre was certainly a better fit for them on the court, they did the right move in that trade (especially to please/keep Zeke), and Dantley was still reported to complain to the coach about his minutes and whatnot, showing some of his "cancerigenous" ways... So... It also showed, they became EVEN better, they won two straight rings, they were one of the GOAT teams. I feel a bit sad about Dantley never getting his ring but not that much, when you think about it all.

[BigNBAfan]

I'm not going to lie, i have no idea who that is...

[Xiao Yao You]

AD's certainly one of the GOAT scorers but his impact is not even close to any of those players you've mentioned there...

Adrian has the GOAT scoring post-game for any non-big, he was terrific off the ball to get into great position in order to score, he was extremely methodical and surgical with it, simply great at finishing inside, amazing at using his body and all the angles, had one of the GOAT pump-fakes, major soft-touch from close range, he could knock down the mid-range jumper when given the space, he was very good at protecting the ball when making his move, one of the greatest ever at drawing fouls and shot very good FT%'s, dude had tremendous work-ethic in order to improve his game while growing up...

BUT, speaking of prime Dantley, he didn't give a single **** about playing D or about defensive rebounding; he had some passing skills but turned into a blackhole much more than he should've and was many times only passing when there was nothing else he could do; he overdid it a whole lot; dude was great off the ball but only for his own profit; he wasn't a great leader; he was a major ball-stopper and also a ballhog; he was a shitty teammate many times(on and off the court); he wasn't known to be clutch or a big-time Playoffs performer...

Despite being a terrific scorer and having some ridiculous (scoring) stats... There's a reason why he never had much team success as the team's leader/#1-option, there's a reason why he never even was top5 in MVP voting and also never made the all-NBA 1st team, there's a reason why he was never mentioned amongst the league's VERY BEST players...

Some would say taking a team that had never made the playoffs to 45 wins and a division title was pretty successful. It started a long Jazz streak of playoff appearances.

[game3524]

AD is the prefect example of why stats need context. He is one of the least impactful 30 ppg scorers in NBA history.

These are his teams record in his 30 ppg seasons.

1981: 28-54
1982: 25-57
1983: 30-52
1984: 45-37

He is the poster child of empty stats.

[Marchesk]

AD is the prefect example of why stats need context. He is one of the least impactful 30 ppg scorers in NBA history.

These are his records in his 30 ppg seasons.

1981: 28-54
1982: 25-57
1983: 30-52
1984: 45-37

He is the poster child of empty stats.

To be fair though, Wilt, Kareem, MJ and Kobe had all had great offensive seasons with losing records, at least for one season.

[plowking]

83 Sixers would beat current Warriors in a 7 game series.

Wow... you have to be completely shook to talk in totalities and certainties like that.

Every stat says otherwise.

[game3524]

To be fair though, Wilt, Kareem, MJ and Kobe had all had great offensive seasons with losing records, at least for one season.

Yeah, but any of those guys have a losing record for a three year stretch in their prime putting up these kind of numbers?

[Marchesk]

Yeah, but any of those guys have a losing record for a three year stretch in their prime putting up this kind of numbers?

Well, there's that.

[Marchesk]

Wow... you have to be completely shook to talk in totalities and certainties like that.

Of course I don't really know. But that 76ers starting lineup with Bobby Jones playing significant minutes was extremely talented (Cheeks and Toney were very good guards in their primes).


Every stat says otherwise.

What stats would those be, since they played in different eras and leagues? It would be a matter of how each team matched up. Both were championship teams. The 83 76ers have two top 15 all-time players are on their teams, both guards where in their prime, Bobby Jones was a GOAT level sixth man, and they beat Magic & Kareem's Lakers in the finals. Mo Cheeks was also a great defensive PG.

[32MJ32]

I honestly think the only reason Dantley is not talked about/revered more is that he was, from all reports, a big jerk.

Be nice to others, kids.

[Sarcastic]

I'm not going to lie, i have no idea who that is...

Then why would you call yourself a Big NBA fan?

[Duffy Pratt]

Wow... you have to be completely shook to talk in totalities and certainties like that.

Every stat says otherwise.

Stats tell you nothing at all about how a team from 1983 would do against a ream today.

[Alan Ogg]

How does Barkley compare?

[Quickening]

Yeah, but any of those guys have a losing record for a three year stretch in their prime putting up these kind of numbers?
Kobe duringa 3 year stretch of his peak/prime , his 3 best offensive seasons finished 11th and 7th twice, missing the playoffs and losing twice in the first round.

And he is a consensus top 12 player

[stalkerforlife]

Crazy.

Respect.

[Marchesk]

How does Barkley compare?

Sir Charles:

61.2 TS%
1.522 pps
119 ORTG

Chuck may have been an even more efficient scorer than Dantley in their primes. He shot more 3s on Phoenix. Dude had a 121 offensive rating on Philly.

[Alan Ogg]

Sir Charles:

61.2 TS%
1.522 pps
119 ORTG

Chuck may have been an even more efficient scorer than Dantley in their primes. He shot more 3s on Phoenix. Dude had a 121 offensive rating on Philly.

Thanks Marchesk. Crazy numbers for all these great players.

[AboutBuckets]

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In MJ's case, he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT (higher shot volume)..

If Kobe and Lebron could shot more at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't.

So imagine Kobe and Lebron DOING MORE - that's MJ:


JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

Shut the **** up, literally nobody is talking about MJ in this thread you ****

[game3524]

Kobe duringa 3 year stretch of his peak/prime , his 3 best offensive seasons finished 11th and 7th twice, missing the playoffs and losing twice in the first round.

And he is a consensus top 12 player

How the hell is this even comparable?:roll:

Kobe got to the playoffs and lead his team to a plus .500 record( and they likely get the playoffs in 2005 if Kobe, Odom, and Butler don't get hurt). AD teams were struggling to win 30 games.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Dantley never won on any of his play-off teams because he was a selfish ball hog, and was a below average one on one defender. You seen when they traded him, the Pistons won the championship afterwards.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Stats tell you nothing at all about how a team from 1983 would do against a ream today.

Stats would tell you that prime Moses Malone would destroy Adrew Bogut, Draymond Green, and Festus Ezeli in the post easily though......

[3ball]

Stats would tell you that prime Moses Malone would destroy Adrew Bogut, Draymond Green, and Festus Ezeli in the post easily though......
true

[3ball]

Shut the **** up, literally nobody is talking about MJ in this thread you ****
I'm going to add Dantley and Barkley to the list

[3ball]

Sir Charles REGULAR SEASON:


Barkley and Dantley are just like all the others - they DO LESS (less volume) at the same points-per-possession:

Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
BARKLEY: 30.0 pts.. 5.4 oreb.. 11.3 drb.. 5.1 ast.. 3.7 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 20.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 58.4 ts
DANTLEY: 30.5 pts.. 2.9 oreb.. 4.8 dreb.. 3.3 ast.. 3.6 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 0.1 blk.. 19.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 60.6 ts


If Kobe, Lebron or Barkley could shoot more at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't... So imagine Kobe, Lebron and Barkley DOING MORE - that's MJ.


JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts
BARKLEY: 30.0 pts.. 5.4 oreb.. 11.3 drb.. 5.1 ast.. 3.7 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 20.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 58.4 ts
DANTLEY: 30.5 pts.. 2.9 oreb.. 4.8 dreb.. 3.3 ast.. 3.6 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 0.1 blk.. 19.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 60.6 ts


Considering the #2 thru #8 spots above averaged between 30 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 player would be at 37 or 38... But instead, MJ was at 43.3, far above the pack.
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[Donkey4trading]

why in the world is this dude bringing up MJ and comparing him to Adrian Dantley :oldlol: :oldlol:

[swagga]

83 Sixers would beat current Warriors in a 7 game series.

Lol moses malone/dawkins/doc allowed to play 80s ball with GSW :roll: :lol :roll: these lightskins would probably give up after one game. :roll: :lol :lol :lol :cheers: for making me laugh out loud.

With 10 rules it's balanced. 76ers had a lot of athletes and they'd play like the cavs in last years finals. Not sure how they would defend the 3. Inside vs outside matchup.

[swagga]

Barkley and Dantley are just like all the others - they DO LESS (less volume) at the same points-per-possession:

Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
BARKLEY: 30.0 pts.. 5.4 oreb.. 11.3 drb.. 5.1 ast.. 3.7 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 20.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 58.4 ts
DANTLEY: 30.5 pts.. 2.9 oreb.. 4.8 dreb.. 3.3 ast.. 3.6 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 0.1 blk.. 19.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 60.6 ts


If Kobe, Lebron or Barkley could shoot more at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't... So imagine Kobe, Lebron and Barkley DOING MORE - that's MJ.


JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts
BARKLEY: 30.0 pts.. 5.4 oreb.. 11.3 drb.. 5.1 ast.. 3.7 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 20.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 58.4 ts
DANTLEY: 30.5 pts.. 2.9 oreb.. 4.8 dreb.. 3.3 ast.. 3.6 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 0.1 blk.. 19.8 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 60.6 ts


Considering the #2 thru #8 spots above averaged between 30 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 player would be at 37 or 38... But instead, MJ was at 43.3, far above the pack.
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A glorified gerald green tbh.

[DMAVS41]

Dantley was a better player, but his overall impact reminds me of a player like Jamison.

It goes beyond not playing defense. They just didn't make their teammates better at all. They played to get theirs...

I know it's hard for people that didn't see them play, but their stats are so much better than their actual impact.

[Hey Yo]

AD is the prefect example of why stats need context. He is one of the least impactful 30 ppg scorers in NBA history.

These are his teams record in his 30 ppg seasons.

1981: 28-54
1982: 25-57
1983: 30-52
1984: 45-37

He is the poster child of empty stats.
can't front on that ^^^