Current Warriors vs all-time great teams 7 game series

[Marchesk]

Play by current rules, previous GOAT candidate champions get a week to prepare and watch film, and get brought up on current rules and strategies. Warriors get the same.

Who wins?

2014 Spurs (based on how they played in the playoffs)
2012 Heat
2001 Lakers
96 Bulls
87 Lakers
86 Celtics
83 76ers
72 Lakers
71 Bucks
67 76ers

[buddha]

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[SHAQisGOAT]

Play by current rules, previous GOAT candidate champions get a week to prepare and watch film, and get brought up on current rules and strategies. Warriors get the same.

Who wins?

2014 Spurs (based on how they played in the playoffs)
2012 Heat
2001 Lakers
96 Bulls
87 Lakers
86 Celtics
83 76ers
72 Lakers
71 Bucks
67 76ers

To sum it up (I can go into deeper detail if someone wants to)...

I think they beat the 2012 Heat and even the 2014 Spurs in some pretty close series...

2001 Lakers beat them, mostly because of Shaq... But also because of prime Kobe, plenty of good role-players who knew what they had to do, and great coaching.

Would've been tougher for the 1996 Bulls in today's game but they still would've won.

1987 Lakers would've won because GS couldn't play the running game vs them, while LA could've used Kareem to kill their small-ball or even go small themselves while being terrific at it. Cooper would've been simply great to guard Curry. Meanwhile, Steph had to guard Magic or Byron (who was on Klay's level as a scorer). Lakers were also very deep and had enough shooting...

1986 Celtics would've beaten them.

1983 76ers were VERY HEAVY, even for this Warriors... That starting5 was killer, and they had Bobby Jones on the bench alongside some nice role-players. I really don't know, because Philly wouldn't have had lots of guys to shoot the 3-ball, and GS would've put the pressure on them, extremely hard to say also due to that... I'mma go with the 1983 76ers though, in a tremendously close one. Peak Moses would've made a MAJOR dent on them, on the inside and on the boards; nobody from the Warriors could've kept Toney in check; Cheeks would've played great D on Steph with Bobby Jones doing the same on the p&r; Doc was still balling...

I believe that the 1971 Bucks were a better team and that they would've been even better suited to today's game probably (with dudes like McGlocklin too)... Plus, they had Kareem/Oscar.

I think that vs the 1967 76ers, it all depends on Wilt... That's peak Wilt surrounded by a very deep squad with lots of talented players, though, so I think Philly would've pulled it off with Chamberlain showing tremendous all-around play and killing GS, especially if they went small.


It is what it is though, those are some of the VERY BEST teams EVER... Doesn't take anything away from this Warriors, they're still one of the GOAT teams, tbh.

[Queen Sansa]

Play by current rules, previous GOAT candidate champions get a week to prepare and watch film, and get brought up on current rules and strategies. Warriors get the same.

Who wins?

2014 Spurs (based on how they played in the playoffs) - Lose in 7.
2012 Heat - 2013 Heat Beat them in 7
2001 Lakers - Beat them in 5
96 Bulls - Beat them in 6
87 Lakers - Lose in 7
86 Celtics - A wash
83 76ers - Win in 7
72 Lakers - A wash
71 Bucks - A wash
67 76ers - Beat them in 7.

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[Marchesk]

@ShaqIsGOAT

Thanks for breaking it down team by team. So you're basically saying you only think the Warriors could beat the most recent great times, but they would be at a disadvantage to the older teams, mostly because of frontline dominant players and depth to match the Warriors. Plus Magic would be a nightmare matchup for GS's backcourt. It's not like you can put Iggy on Magic when you have Worthy to worry about, while the 87 Lakers did have Cooper who they would put on Curry.

But that makes me wonder about the 2012 or 2013 Heat. If Curry is killing them, don't you put Lebron on him? Assuming Wade can't guard him.

[Marchesk]

^^

Why do you think the 2001 Lakers would be the Warrior's worst matchup? Would Kobe guard Curry?

[Queen Sansa]

@ShaqIsGOAT

Thanks for breaking it down team by team. So you're basically saying you only think the Warriors could beat the most recent great times, but they would be at a disadvantage to the older teams, mostly because of frontline dominant players and depth to match the Warriors. Plus Magic would be a nightmare matchup for GS's backcourt. It's not like you can put Iggy on Magic when you have Worthy to worry about, while the 87 Lakers did have Cooper who they would put on Curry.

I think dominant scoring centers would wreck GS, and not allow them to use their best line-up, which is the small ball one.

The 87 version of Kareem wasn't a dominant center, not even a double double center. Iggy can guard Magic, Klay can guard Worthy, Curry on Cooper.

I think the Warriors could beat them unless Kareem has a throwback 24/13 type of series.

2013 Heat were also small ball wizards, and i like their Chalmers - Wade - Battier - LeBron - Bosh lineup than the small ball lineup of the Warriors.

[3ball]

Would've been tougher for the 1996 Bulls in today's game but they still would've won.


The 1996 Bulls would be a more offensively competent version of the 2015 Memphis Grizzlies - the Grizzlies only attempted 16 threes per game just like the 1996 Bulls, but they still took 2 games from Warriors in 2015 playoffs.

Infact, if Tony Allen doesn't get hurt, the series would've been even closer.

But the problem with the Grizzlies is that their 2-point field goal percentage is only 45% - they don't have competent offensive players... Otoh, the 1996 Bulls shot 51% on two-pointers, JUST LIKE THE SPURS DO THIS YEAR - and this year's Spurs only take 18 threes per game.

Ultimately, the 1996 Bulls would be a better version of this year's Spurs (better on both ends), and far better than the Grizzlies.... Oh shit - MJ and Pippen get to zone outside the paint???... Shut it down... Back in their era, the paint-camping didn't benefit MJ and Scottie much because they weren't bigs - but today's zone outside the paint WOULD benefit MJ and Scottie... greatly
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[Queen Sansa]

Why do you think the 2001 Lakers would be the Warrior's worst matchup? Would Kobe guard Curry?

They can't play small vs Shaq. The small ball lineup is their trump card. They were down 2-1 vs the Cavs last year with a traditional lineup, so if they play traditional against the Lakers they will lose. Kobe guards him in the 4th, otherwise his energy will be needed on offense.

[plowking]

Because they're new and recent, they wouldn't beat any of the past teams because I've seen basketball from then and now, and I know what I'm talking about.

I'm not even sure today's Warriors beat last years Sixers. Basketball was just better before.

[nba_55]

Because they're new and recent, they wouldn't beat any of the past teams because I've seen basketball from then and now, and I know what I'm talking about.

I'm not even sure today's Warriors beat last years Sixers. Basketball was just better before.

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[SHAQisGOAT]

@ShaqIsGOAT

Thanks for breaking it down team by team. So you're basically saying you only think the Warriors could beat the most recent great times, but they would be at a disadvantage to the older teams, mostly because of frontline dominant players and depth to match the Warriors. Plus Magic would be a nightmare matchup for GS's backcourt. It's not like you can put Iggy on Magic when you have Worthy to worry about, while the 87 Lakers did have Cooper who they would put on Curry.

But that makes me wonder about the 2012 or 2013 Heat. If Curry is killing them, don't you put Lebron on him? Assuming Wade can't guard him.

No problem.

Something like that... It shifts though...

2001 Lakers, for example, had depth, shooting, defense, role-playing, rebounding, a great coach, one ATG in his prime great on both ends... And then, the most important thing, Shaq at his best just DESTROYING nikkas... He wouldn't "allow" GS to go small, while Bogut wouldn't be able to really keep up with him, he would've exhausted Andrew and gotten GS's frontcourt in foul-trouble. Plus, Diesel was a very smart player who would/could pass the ball.

Some teams like the 1971 Bucks and especially the 1986 Celtics, I think, would've been even better suited for today's game, call it... And they were TERRIFIC and extremely stacked, with two top5 players in their prime to lead them. Teams like that were elite on both ends, great passing game, unselfish, clutch, could've adapt to most strategies on O and D, had shooting and inside game... Just too much.

You got showtime LA with Kareem in the post but also tremendous depth, lots of matchup problems for GS, some shooting, ability to play different styles of lineups and the Warriors wouldn't be able to get the advantage of running up and down vs them.

I think that they would've stood better chances in today's game vs a team like the 1996 Bulls but Chicago still would've been too much for them... And they had the GOAT, ofc.

My opinion on them vs the 1983 76ers comes mostly due to Moses killing them in the paint, on a team FILLED with talent everywhere... AND their ability to guard Curry with Cheeks, plus Bobby Jones doing damage while defending Green on the break and on p&r's, very important... Despite some lack of 3pt shooting that Philly could've had, I still think that they could've pulled it off. While Toney would've killed GS, too quick, too skilled, too ice-cold.

I believe that these Warriors would've had the edge over the 2012 Heat and even the 2014 Spurs...
LeBron on Curry? Don't really think that that would've worked... Curry's not someone like Rose who only does his damage with the ball in his hands, who's gonna try to take you 1on1, who's not an elite shooter but can do it some and kill you on the slash/finish... James would've had a REALLY tough time keeping up with Steph off the ball, going through all those screens and such, even on the ball while Curry's running p&r's... That would've tired LBJ plenty too.
And Miami loved to go small but that wouldn't work as well vs GS, because I think that the Warriors' small-ball game is better.



I think dominant scoring centers would wreck GS, and not allow them to use their best line-up, which is the small ball one.

The 87 version of Kareem wasn't a dominant center, not even a double double center. Iggy can guard Magic, Klay can guard Worthy, Curry on Cooper.

I think the Warriors could beat them unless Kareem has a throwback 24/13 type of series.

2013 Heat were also small ball wizards, and i like their Chalmers - Wade - Battier - LeBron - Bosh lineup than the small ball lineup of the Warriors.

Jabbar was still putting up 19.2 on .600 TS% in only 31 minutes per game in the Playoffs, for example... On a championship team, on one of the most stacked, greatest teams...
He was still pretty mobile and a very good scorer, not to mention an extremely smart player who could pass (even still blocking more than 2 shots per game)...
Dude still dropped 40+ on Hakeem/Sampson and Ewing around those days. He could've still killed Bogut/Ezeli on any given night, while Green wouldn't be able to guard him, just too short...

No, Klay couldn't guard Worthy like you make it seem... James had considerable size/height on him and he really knew how to use it, not to mention that he has one of the quickest 1st steps ever and was a beast on the break... Barnes, Green or Draymond would've had guard him.

Curry had to guard Scott though... Byron was a very good scorer, you can say as good as Klay (while a better passer and as good as Klay on D)... He would've given Curry A LOT of trouble, that's one of the key matchups there.

Showtime LA also played a terrific "small-ball" lineup with Magic/Scott/Cooper/Worthy/Green... And GSW's "running-game" would've played straight into their hands.

[Fire Colangelo]

It's really hard to say without knowing how they'll do in the playoffs this year.

If GSW plays like they're playing right now, I'd say they have a 50/50 chance at beating all of these teams.

If GSW plays like they played in the playoffs last year? I don't think they beat any of the teams mentioned in a 7 games series.

[feyki]

72 Lakers,67 Sixers and 96 Bulls would win . I'm not sure on other teams.

[LAZERUSS]

72 Lakers,67 Sixers and 96 Bulls would win . I'm not sure on other teams.

Those are my top-3, and in that order.

Then...

4. '71 Bucks
5. '87 Lakers
6. '86 Celtics
7. '85 Lakers
8. '83 Sixers
9. '01 Lakers
10. '91 Bulls

There have been many great teams, as well.

The '63 Celtics (NINE HOFers), '68 Sixers (didn't win the title, but were decimated by injuries), '70 Knicks, '73 Knicks (6 HOFers), '78 Blazers (lost Walton before the playoffs), '82 Lakers, '89 Pistons, '97 Bulls, '00 Lakers, '03 Spurs, '08 Celtics, '09 Lakers, '13 Heat, '14 Spurs, and of course, both last year's, and this year's Warriors.

I won't go into hypotheticals, except to say that individually, these last two Warrior teams don't stack up very well. But their overall defensive play, and team chemistry has been remarkable. And, of course, Curry has been spectacular. At his current rate, he is having one of the greatest seasons in NBA history.

[HurricaneKid]

I find it comical that people seem to think bigs would destroy the Warriors team. Bogut/Dray is as good a defensive 4/5 as you will find anywhere.

This is a question about playing today's game. Which means Shaq gets 30 offensive fouls playing the way he did at his peak. And please explain what Shaq does on a high Bogut/Curry PnR. He gets a Curry 3 to his eye every possession is what.

This team runs circles around bigger slower teams and with the rules punishing post play and rewarding shooting they would do extremely well in a round robin with these teams.

[Hey Yo]

The 1996 Bulls would be a more offensively competent version of the 2015 Memphis Grizzlies - the Grizzlies only attempted 16 threes per game just like the 1996 Bulls, but they still took 2 games from Warriors in 2015 playoffs.

Infact, if Tony Allen doesn't get hurt, the series would've been even closer.

But the problem with the Grizzlies is that their 2-point field goal percentage is only 45% - they don't have competent offensive players... Otoh, the 1996 Bulls shot 51% on two-pointers, JUST LIKE THE SPURS DO THIS YEAR - and this year's Spurs only take 18 threes per game.

Ultimately, the 1996 Bulls would be a better version of this year's Spurs (better on both ends), and far better than the Grizzlies.... Oh shit - MJ and Pippen get to zone outside the paint???... Shut it down... Back in their era, the paint-camping didn't benefit MJ and Scottie much because they weren't bigs - but today's zone outside the paint WOULD benefit MJ and Scottie... greatly
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People said the above about the Cavs against GS in the Finals and you would hear none of it.

"If Tony Allen doesn't get hurt, the series would have been closer".....you mean just like if Love and Kyrie don't get hurt the series would have been closer??

"But the problem with the Grizzlies is that their 2-point field goal percentage is only 45% - they don't have competent offensive players.

So in other words, it's the same with the Cavs in the Finals as the Grizz cause their 2-point field goal % was only 38%. Delly, Shumpert, TT, James Jones etc..etc...aren't competent offensive players. correct?

[IGOTGAME]

I find it comical that people seem to think bigs would destroy the Warriors team. Bogut/Dray is as good a defensive 4/5 as you will find anywhere.

This is a question about playing today's game. Which means Shaq gets 30 offensive fouls playing the way he did at his peak. And please explain what Shaq does on a high Bogut/Curry PnR. He gets a Curry 3 to his eye every possession is what.

This team runs circles around bigger slower teams and with the rules punishing post play and rewarding shooting they would do extremely well in a round robin with these teams.

this just shows that you don't know much about pick and roll coverage. There are several ways to guard it.

[Kvnzhangyay]

People said the above about the Cavs against GS in the Finals and you would hear none of it.

"If Tony Allen doesn't get hurt, the series would have been closer".....you mean just like if Love and Kyrie don't get hurt the series would have been closer??

"But the problem with the Grizzlies is that their 2-point field goal percentage is only 45% - they don't have competent offensive players.

So in other words, it's the same with the Cavs in the Finals as the Grizz cause their 2-point field goal % was only 38%. Delly, Shumpert, TT, James Jones etc..etc...aren't competent offensive players. correct?

Oh snap :hammerhead:

[HurricaneKid]

this just shows that you don't know much about pick and roll coverage. There are several ways to guard it.

I would LOVE to watch you try to diagram this defensive action. I have forgotten more about defensive strategies than you have ever known. And NO, there aren't any ways to defend a Curry PnR with Shaq. AT ALL.

Shaq was NEVER able to hedge/switch. Which means Curry is coming off that high PnR coming downhill with space. Shaq could shoot 90% from the floor with zero TOs and they might lose.

[Marchesk]

Shaq was NEVER able to hedge/switch. Which means Curry is coming off that high PnR coming downhill with space. Shaq could shoot 90% from the floor with zero TOs and they might lose.

So we're talking about 2001 Shaq who put up 33/15.8/4.8 and 3.4 blocks on 57.3% against Mutombo in the finals, right?

And Kobe's numbers were close to what Curry's numbers were in the finals last year. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 22 year old Kobe would have fared better against Dellavedova.

You know what the Laker's 3pt shooting percentage was in the finals? 48%

Philly's was 28.8%

Anyway, when Curry has the kind of devestating finals that Shaq put up 3 years in a row, we can talk about how the biggest mismatch would be Curry and not Shaq.

Curry is killing the league right now, but he's not in a 7 game series against the other conferences best team doing everything they can to contain him. Shaq wasn't contained in any of those three finals, unlike Curry was against the Cavs.

[Marchesk]

This team runs circles around bigger slower teams and with the rules punishing post play and rewarding shooting they would do extremely well in a round robin with these teams.

They wouldn't run circles against the 86 Celtics front line.

[DMAVS41]

I find it comical that people seem to think bigs would destroy the Warriors team. Bogut/Dray is as good a defensive 4/5 as you will find anywhere.

This is a question about playing today's game. Which means Shaq gets 30 offensive fouls playing the way he did at his peak. And please explain what Shaq does on a high Bogut/Curry PnR. He gets a Curry 3 to his eye every possession is what.

This team runs circles around bigger slower teams and with the rules punishing post play and rewarding shooting they would do extremely well in a round robin with these teams.

Shaq wouldn't just foul out every game....LOL

Guarding the Warriors with Shaq would be a huge problem, but it wouldn't be as bad as you are claiming.

Also, the Lakers could slow the game down to a crawl in a playoff series with Kobe and Shaq offensively...which would really hurt the Warriors offense.

And on defense. Kobe, Fisher, and Fox could really make life tough on Curry/Klay.

I don't think it's an easy series for the Lakers or anything, but the Warriors do not match up well with a team that can slow the game down and dominate in the post like the Lakers could.

[IGOTGAME]

Shaq wouldn't just foul out every game....LOL

Guarding the Warriors with Shaq would be a huge problem, but it wouldn't be as bad as you are claiming.

Also, the Lakers could slow the game down to a crawl in a playoff series with Kobe and Shaq offensively...which would really hurt the Warriors offense.

And on defense. Kobe, Fisher, and Fox could really make life tough on Curry/Klay.

I don't think it's an easy series for the Lakers or anything, but the Warriors do not match up well with a team that can slow the game down and dominate in the post like the Lakers could.

people would say the same thing if Curry was on another team playing this GSW defense and Bogut...what they are ultimately saying that Curry is unguardable in a pick and roll and a more dominant force than Shaq...that is what it comes down to...but tbf, he is this generation's Shaq.

[nba_55]

ISH ''experts'' are always so cocky when making predictions that they know can never be proven wrong. When it comes to predicting the future series or games, they disappear. :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

people would say the same thing if Curry was on another team playing this GSW defense and Bogut...what they are ultimately saying that Curry is unguardable in a pick and roll and a more dominant force than Shaq...that is what it comes down to...but tbf, he is this generation's Shaq.

Part of what makes Curry near impossible to stop in the pick and roll is his teammates.

If the Warriors didn't have Draymond Green....they would be such an easier team to match up with.

[IGOTGAME]

Part of what makes Curry near impossible to stop in the pick and roll is his teammates.

If the Warriors didn't have Draymond Green....they would be such an easier team to match up with.

100% true because the rotation is that much easier...but instead you gotta deal with a top ten player in the league and the perfect fit in the offense. Someone who can stretch the defense, who is an elite passer, and who can finish in the paint... oh and i almost forget - he is an all world defender.

[swagga]

Play by current rules, previous GOAT candidate champions get a week to prepare and watch film, and get brought up on current rules and strategies. Warriors get the same.

Who wins?

2014 Spurs (based on how they played in the playoffs)
2012 Heat
2001 Lakers
96 Bulls
87 Lakers
86 Celtics
83 76ers
72 Lakers
71 Bucks
67 76ers

2014 Spurs lose in 6
warriors win due to depth. The spurs didn't score a lot inside so they won't exploit GSW too much.

2012 Heat win in 5 or 6
a bad matchup for the warrios. The 12 heat were a goat perimeter defensive team (lebron/wade/battier/chalmers/bosh pnr) that could shoot it from deep(lebron with '12 J, allen, battier, jones) and destroy in transition(lebron/wade).
Let me put it this way: Lebron took them to 6 with no jumpshot and a banged up team. Lebron with that '12 jumpshot plus a great smallball team? Heat in 5 or 6.

2001 Lakers in a sweep
Shaq would probably get multiple 45 and 25 games. GSW would be in crazy foul trouble. You add kobe benefitting from all the created space and it's the mother of all sweeps. The number of freethrows :roll:

96 Bulls in 5
worst small ball matchup for GSW, even moreso than 12 heat. Jordan/harper(6'6 big pg)/pippen/rodman would switch every single thing. Horror matchup for curry, he can't defend ANY bulls player, they'd go at him relentlessly. He'd tire out REALLY fast. GSW does take a game from the bulls as they can also defend the perimeter really well but good luck shooting threes when you are exhausted.

87 Lakers in a sweep
horrible matchup for the warriors. Who is curry going to guard magic? cooper? Worthy? Who is going to guard kareem? They would just exploit curry's defense. Curry will have to work a lot for his points with DPOY cooper on him. And running against the showime is just asking for trouble :lol

86 Celtics win in 5
Celtics destroy them. Gsw are just too small and they'd get worked but one of the GOAT post teams. Hard to run when you aren't getting stops and getting badly outrebounded. Celtics could also shoot it.

83 76ers sweep(80s rules) or win in 7(modern rules)
This is a team that manhandled the 80s celtics. lol if they'd let them play like back in the day the 76ers would absolutely rape the fck out the warrios. No lube prison style. GSW would leave crying. You got moses, dawkins, doc and nobody to guard them. Also cheeks would make curry work on both ends. They'd just bully gsw, no question.

Today's rules it'll be like last year's finals. Maybe GSW win the first games but they'd tire out extremely fast, as the 76ers had nice depth. The cavs kept it close with offensive rebounds .. moses malone/dawkins would get even more. Close one.

72 Lakers lose in 6
warriors win. wilt couldn't run like he did in 67. the lakers perimeter defense and shooting are suspect.

71 Bucks lose in 5
the warriors win rather easily, oscar was on his last legs and couldn't shoot. Kareem goes bananas.

67 76ers lose in 6
running against wilt is a bad strategy, he would put crazy ridiculous stats. The warriors still win due to a MUCH better outside play.

other all time great teams that would give GSW a shitload of trouble:
bad boy pistons with old rules, a good old fashioned beatdown.
90s knicks with old rules, see pistons.
10s lakers with any rules (too much size and inside scoring)
05 spurs with any rules goes 6/7
90s sonics goes 6/7.


imo the warriors are veryoverrated, they lack the toughness and size to really go against GOAT teams. People fail to understand that their game is predicated on running and not tiring out. It's very hard to shoot it when you are tired from boxing out and defending against bigger guys.

tldr lol casual fans.

[swagga]

I think dominant scoring centers would wreck GS, and not allow them to use their best line-up, which is the small ball one.

The 87 version of Kareem wasn't a dominant center, not even a double double center. Iggy can guard Magic, Klay can guard Worthy, Curry on Cooper.

I think the Warriors could beat them unless Kareem has a throwback 24/13 type of series.

2013 Heat were also small ball wizards, and i like their Chalmers - Wade - Battier - LeBron - Bosh lineup than the small ball lineup of the Warriors.

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An aging james worthy ROUTINELY took scottie fcking pippen to school in the post and you tell me klay thompson or iggy is going to guard him. :facepalm :facepalm

[swagga]

lol i'm reading this thread and people here speak about all these matchups without ever wondering where the fck are the warriors going to find the energy to play all these HUGE physical lineups. Do you people understand that shooting while tired and banged up is really hard?

Do you people not understand that curry missed the wide open looks in the finals due to being tired. Delladova put a body on him and tired him out. Until kerr exploited the cavs lack of depth curry and the warriores were held in check by a horrible cast. Now imagine what the huge skilled lineups such as 83 76ers, 86 celtics, 87 lakers, 01 lakers, 10 lakers, 88 pistons, 96 bulls(rodman), would do to them.

[warriorfan]

Honestly I think all of those teams beat the Warriors. Warriors role players are just not as talented as the rest of the All Time Great Teams.

[Marchesk]

tldr lol casual fans.

Imagine the hype if the Warriors manage to start the season by breaking the Laker's win streak.

Thanks for the breakdown of each matchup :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

People said the above about the Cavs against GS in the Finals and you would hear none of it.

"If Tony Allen doesn't get hurt, the series would have been closer".....you mean just like if Love and Kyrie don't get hurt the series would have been closer??

"But the problem with the Grizzlies is that their 2-point field goal percentage is only 45% - they don't have competent offensive players.

So in other words, it's the same with the Cavs in the Finals as the Grizz cause their 2-point field goal % was only 38%. Delly, Shumpert, TT, James Jones etc..etc...aren't competent offensive players. correct?
poor 3ball


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