How stacked is each position?

[Pushxx]

In the "Is Rondo a top 5-10 PG?" thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390806), I remembered how loaded the PG position is.

So which positions are the most stacked this season? Here's my ranking:

1. PG
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2. PF
3. SF
4. SG
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5. C

There's definitely a big gap between PG and the others. It's hard to rank the middle especially if your criteria is how much starter-quality talent there is. I put SG so low because there isn't a lot of two-way talent.

[FKAri]

C is more stacked than SG.

[SugarHill]

SF > PF
C > SG

agree with rest

[swagga]

In the "Is Rondo a top 5-10 PG?" thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390806), I remembered how loaded the PG position is.

So which positions are the most stacked this season? Here's my ranking:

1. PG
.
.
2. PF
3. SF
4. SG
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5. C

There's definitely a big gap between PG and the others. It's hard to rank the middle especially if your criteria is how much starter-quality talent there is. I put SG so low because there isn't a lot of two-way talent.

SF crop: lebron, george, durant, leonard, butler, melo, wiggins, batum, hayward, iggy, barnes, derozan, giannis ....

[oarabbus]

SF crop: lebron, george, durant, leonard, butler, melo, wiggins, batum, hayward, iggy, barnes, derozan, giannis ....

Yeah it goes

PG

SF
PF
C
SG



C Crop: Lopez, Drummond, Monroe, Davis, Gasol, Gasol, Dwight, Jordan, Whiteside, Horford, Vucevic, Gortat, Ezeli/Bogut, Cousins, Duncan, Towns, Okafor, Valanciunas...

[Bankaii]

SF is by far the most stacked position are you even watching the games?
PG has been horrible outside of 3 players.
OP is an idiot.

[Pushxx]

SF is by far the most stacked position are you even watching the games?
PG has been horrible outside of 3 players.
OP is an idiot.

There are more team-leading or integral PFs than SFs:

Griffin, Davis, Love, Bosh, Millsap, Draymond Green, Dirk, Favors, Alridge, ZBo, and you have the next level down guys like Ibaka, Porzingod, Thad Young, Ryan Anderson, Morris twins, Mirotic, Faried.

[Bankaii]

There are more team-leading or integral PFs than SFs:

Griffin, Davis, Love, Bosh, Millsap, Draymond Green, Dirk, Favors, Alridge, ZBo, and you have the next level down guys like Ibaka, Porzingod, Thad Young, Ryan Anderson, Morris twins, Mirotic, Faried.
No there isn't at all. The only 2 franchise leading PF you listed were Griffin(debatable with CP3) and Dirk(old). There are AT WORST 5 SF leading a franchise. All of which have winning records btw.

Lebron>Davis
Durant>Griffin
George>Green
Kahwi>Dirk
Melo>Bosh
Hayward>Aldridge
Wiggins>Love

The top 5 isn't even close. When you include players like Hayward, Wiggins, Gay, Butler, Parsons, etc. SF is the most stacked. There is no serious argument or stats that say otherwise.

[Jasi]

No there isn't at all. The only 2 franchise leading PF you listed were Griffin(debatable with CP3) and Dirk(old). There are AT WORST 5 SF leading a franchise. All of which have winning records btw.

Lebron>Davis
Durant>Griffin
George>Green
Kahwi>Dirk/Bosh
Melo>Aldridge/Love

The top 5 isn't even close. When you include players like Hayward, Wiggins, Gay, Butler, Parsons, etc. SF is the most stacked. There is no serious argument or stats that say otherwise.

+ Gallo

[PsychoBe]

paul george isn't a sf anymore :facepalm

pg's have fallen off. outside of curry, westbrook, and cp3, players like john wall (trash) irving (injured) and conley (trash) are not performing or can't perform. damien lillard is trying but he's not winning.

sg's are weak: harden, wiggins, wesley matthews???

sf's are top heavy but fall off: durant, bran, leonard, butler, (he's a guard/forward but mostly spends his time at forward) players like galinari aren't worth mentioning.

pf is the deepest: pg13, love, griffin, bosh, green, dirk, aldridge, davis, gasol (pau),

centers are a bit better but aren't quite there yet: towns, cousins, vucevic, dwight, ezeli, duncan, monroe, whiteside

[warriorfan]

steph curry is the best player in the league

[LoneyROY7]

SF crop: lebron, george, durant, leonard, butler, melo, wiggins, batum, hayward, iggy, barnes, derozan, giannis ....

Butler, Wiggins, and Derozan could be classified as SGs.

[Bankaii]

paul george isn't a sf anymore :facepalm

pg's have fallen off. outside of curry, westbrook, and cp3, players like john wall (trash) irving (injured) and conley (trash) are not performing or can't perform. damien lillard is trying but he's not winning.

sg's are weak: harden, wiggins, wesley matthews???

sf's are top heavy but fall off: durant, bran, leonard, butler, (he's a guard/forward but mostly spends his time at forward) players like galinari aren't worth mentioning.

pf is the deepest: pg13, love, griffin, bosh, green, dirk, aldridge, davis, gasol (pau),

centers are a bit better but aren't quite there yet: towns, cousins, vucevic, dwight, ezeli, duncan, monroe, whiteside
Dumbest statement I've read all day.

Lebron played was listed as the 4 in 2014 but he was still the SF. Kobe is a 3 this year but he's quite clearly the SG.

Just because PG is listed as a 4 doesn't mean anything. He rarely posts up and doesn't play like a post player at all. He's a SF.

And how stupid is it for you to list 4 players for SF but list a bunch of average players for PF? Kobetards:facepalm

[PsychoBe]

Dumbest statement I've read all day.

Lebron played was listed as the 4 in 2014 but he was still the SF. Kobe is a 3 this year but he's quite clearly the SG.

Just because PG is listed as a 4 doesn't mean anything. He rarely posts up and doesn't play like a post player at all. He's a SF.

And how stupid is it for you to list 4 players for SF but list a bunch of average players for PF? Kobetards:facepalm

for the purposes of this season only, pg13 isn't an sf. just accept it and move on.

lol @ a bunch "average" players.

if you were drafted to the nba as a pf right now you'll be facing tougher competition night in and night out than if you were drafted a sf, that's just a fact.

sf is top heavy, not deep. pf is much deeper night in and night out.

[Bankaii]

for the purposes of this season only, pg13 isn't an sf. just accept it and move on.

lol @ a bunch "average" players.

if you were drafted to the nba as a pf right now you'll be facing tougher competition night in and night out than if you were drafted a sf, that's just a fact.

sf is top heavy, not deep. pf is much deeper night in and night out.
You can't refute any argument so you just brush it off. Cool.

PG doesn't play like a PF, he simply holds the title.

Lebron>Davis
Durant>Griffin
George>Green
Kahwi>Dirk
Melo>Bosh
Hayward>Aldridge
Wiggins>Love
Gay>Pau Gasol

Anything on that post you can argue against?

[rzp]

paul george isn't a sf anymore :facepalm

pg's have fallen off. outside of curry, westbrook, and cp3, players like john wall (trash) irving (injured) and conley (trash) are not performing or can't perform. damien lillard is trying but he's not winning.

sg's are weak: harden, wiggins, wesley matthews???

sf's are top heavy but fall off: durant, bran, leonard, butler, (he's a guard/forward but mostly spends his time at forward) players like galinari aren't worth mentioning.

pf is the deepest: pg13, love, griffin, bosh, green, dirk, aldridge, davis, gasol (pau),

centers are a bit better but aren't quite there yet: towns, cousins, vucevic, dwight, ezeli, duncan, monroe, whiteside

none of them are franchise players at this point. SF spot is ridiculously stacked... and rulling the nba.

last 4 final mvps were SFs

[LoneyROY7]

none of them are franchise players at this point. SF spot is ridiculously stacked... and rulling the nba.

last 4 final mvps were SFs

:roll:

[Bankaii]

:roll:
Dirk is old. What are Pelicans and Clippers records?

[3ball]

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..........TOP NON-BIGS FROM EACH ERA


...2000-2014.............1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


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Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis

[3ball]

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^^^^ As you can see from the last post, non-bigs in previous eras match today's era player-for-player.

And of course, we already know the bigs from previous eras destroy today's - here's a list of bigs just from 1996 alone:


Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Arvidas Sabonis
Dikembe Mutombo
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Chris Webber
Shawn Kemp
Rik Smits
Vin Baker
Dino Radja
Derrick Coleman
.

[PsychoBe]

You can't refute any argument so you just brush it off. Cool.

PG doesn't play like a PF, he simply holds the title.

Lebron>Davis
Durant>Griffin
George(not an sf this season)>Green
Kahwi>Dirk
Melo>Bosh
Hayward>Aldridge
Wiggins>Love
Gay>Pau Gasol

Anything on that post you can argue against?

pg13 isn't an sf. doesn't matter how he plays or the fact that he shoot 3's. his position was changed to pf because he plays like a sf so that they can stretch the floor and get out and run their opponents out of the gym.

again, for this season he's a pf.

hayward is not better than aldridge :facepalm

wiggins over love? :roll: :roll: :roll:

gay over pau????

just stop it.

at the sf spot it's: durant, bran, kawhi, (everyone else). melo isn't having a particularly special season. he's still melo but it's not like if you were to play against him that he'd lock you up.

but the pf position is extremely deep. like i said, if you were drafted as a pf in the nba you'd be facing: davis, dirk, pau gasol, love, milsap, aldridge, griffin, green, pg13 (because of his position change this season), etc etc, night in and night out.

pf position is too deep.

[LoneyROY7]

Dirk is old. What are Pelicans and Clippers records?

It's 16 games in to the season. :oldlol: I will guarantee the Clippers have a top 5 record in the west come play-off time.

[Bankaii]

pg13 isn't an sf. doesn't matter how he plays or the fact that he shoot 3's. his position was changed to pf because he plays like a sf so that they can stretch the floor and get out and run their opponents out of the gym.

again, for this season he's a pf.

hayward is not better than aldridge :facepalm

wiggins over love? :roll: :roll: :roll:

gay over pau????

just stop it.

at the sf spot it's: durant, bran, kawhi, (everyone else). melo isn't having a particularly special season. he's still melo but it's not like if you were to play against him that he'd lock you up.

but the pf position is extremely deep. like i said, if you were drafted as a pf in the nba you'd be facing: davis, dirk, pau gasol, love, milsap, aldridge, griffin, green, pg13 (because of his position change this season), etc etc, night in and night out.

pf position is too deep.
PG is a SF. You haven't posted anything other than bullshit to prove otherwiseZ

And you clearly don't watch any of the games.

Hayward: 18/5/3 on 43%.
Aldridge: 15/8/2 on 43%.

Hayward is playing without the GOAT system and still putting up slightly better numbers.

Wiggins: 22/4/2 on 43%.
Love: 19/12/2 on 45%.

Wiggins also is playing All-NBA while Love is a liability on defense.

Gay: 18/7/2 on 45%.
Pau: 13/10/2 on 43%.

Again, you name only the stars/superstars for the SF, but practically everyone for PF.

SF is the most stacked. I'm done with this debate.

[rzp]

It's 16 games in to the season. :oldlol: I will guarantee the Clippers have a top 5 record in the west come play-off time.

And is Griffin their franchise player?

[LoneyROY7]

And is Griffin their franchise player?

Yes, he is.

[PsychoBe]

PG is a SF. You haven't posted anything other than bullshit to prove otherwiseZ

And you clearly don't watch any of the games.

Hayward: 18/5/3 on 43%.
Aldridge: 15/8/2 on 43%.

Hayward is playing without the GOAT system and still putting up slightly better numbers.

Wiggins: 22/4/2 on 43%.
Love: 19/12/2 on 45%.

Wiggins also is playing All-NBA while Love is a liability on defense.

Gay: 18/7/2 on 45%.
Pau: 13/10/2 on 43%.

Again, you name only the stars/superstars for the SF, but practically everyone for PF.

SF is the most stacked. I'm done with this debate.

hayward is the man in utah and he can't even shoot 45% from the field vs aldridge who shares responsibilities with duncan and leonard in a system :facepalm

wiggins average 3 more points on less efficiency and is a black hole on offensive (and is a much poorer 3pt shooter but you conveniently left that out :oldlol: )

meanwhile love gives you a double-double virtually every night while playing alongside lebron james vs wiggins who has the green light to shoot until his heart's content. imagine if love could shoot as much as wiggins :oldlol:

same argument with gay and gasol. rudy gay has attempted almost 100 more field goals than gasol but has only scored 5 more points :roll: :roll: :roll:

meanwhile gasol is giving you 13/10/2 with 2 blocks per game and is the anchor on defense for the bull's starting line-up. meanwhile gay got shut down by a second year player and scored a whopping 2pts :roll: :roll: :roll:

keep living in a fairy tale clown. you're comparing chucking sf's who play with piss poor franchises vs elite big-men who play within their role.

just go to bed.

[rzp]

Yes, he is.

hmmm ok, thats why Chris Paul takes all the blame when they fail :rolleyes:

[LoneyROY7]

hmmm ok, thats why Chris Paul takes all the blame when they fail :rolleyes:

I don't care who ISH blames after losses. :oldlol:

[GrapeApe]

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^^^^ As you can see from the last post, non-bigs in previous eras match today's era player-for-player.

And of course, we already know the bigs from previous eras destroy today's - here's a list of bigs just from 1996 alone:


Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Arvidas Sabonis
Dikembe Mutombo
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Chris Webber
Shawn Kemp
Rik Smits
Vin Baker
Dino Radja
Derrick Coleman
.

I think there might be an error in your relevancy detection program.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Lebrick kwahii and george are better at their position than every pg is at theirs except for curry

[crunk-juice]

none of them are franchise players at this point. SF spot is ridiculously stacked... and rulling the nba.

last 4 final mvps were SFs


Paul George is not a franchise player?


You're funny.

[rzp]

Paul George is not a franchise player?


You're funny.

are you drunk ? my first sentence was about pf spot (hence the reply)

[Prime_Shaq]

Pg > Sf > Pf > C > Sg

[Bankaii]

Pg > Sf > Pf > C > Sg
Curry, Westbrook, Lillard.

Injured CP3 playing below standards, injured Kyrie, Wall playing like crap.

Please explain how that's more stacked than SF.