Should prisons be more focused on correction, or punishment?

[CavaliersFTW]

Is the time you're in the prison supposed to be catered and designed to help you become a better person for society?

Or should it be more like a 'hell' that society feels you 'deserved' to be sent to?

Or something between?

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Punishment

Criminals mock societies laws

Compassion is a weakness

Idealistically, an eye for an eye is the purest form of justice

[Akrazotile]

Depends on the situation.

Someone likaaron hernandez who aint never comin out? Give him a dog dish full of water and not a penny more.

People who maybe made one bad mistake during a moment of hig stress or somethin? Ok, maybe try to help them get ready to come back.

Just depends.

[BasedTom]

castration

[CavaliersFTW]

Punishment

Criminals mock societies laws

Compassion is a weakness

Idealistically, an eye for an eye is the purest form of justice
How do you feel about people who in their late teens or young adults only get 2-6 years for things like taxes, fraud, violating parole or terms and conditions from a lesser crime, assault (drunk bar fight that ended up hurting someone like a police officer), drunk driving incident that resulted in severely injuring or maybe killing someone, etc

Should it be hell on earth for them too? You don't think being that they will be "out soon" that your tax money would be better spent attempting to teach them how to right their wrongs instead of simply placing them in a brutal environment?

A huge percentage of people who go to prison once end up doing something that lands them in prison again

[CavaliersFTW]

castration
Damn. These are people who could've even been wrongfully accused :lol

[TripleA]

Punishment

Criminals mock societies laws

Compassion is a weakness

Idealistically, an eye for an eye is the purest form of justice

Hammurabi code baby.
Tongue cut off for lying
Hand cut off for stealing
And you get beaten to near death for assault.

:applause:

[BasedTom]

How do you feel about people who in their late teens or young adults only get 2-6 years for things like taxes, fraud, violating parole or terms and conditions from a lesser crime, assault (drunk bar fight that ended up hurting someone like a police officer), drunk driving incident that resulted in severely injuring or maybe killing someone, etc

Should it be hell on earth for them too? You don't think being that they will be "out soon" that your tax money would be better spent attempting to teach them how to right their wrongs instead of simply placing them in a brutal environment?

A huge percentage of people who go to prison once end up doing something that lands them in prison again
gl finding a job if you have to put that you're a convicted felon on your application

yeah yeah it says "we don't discriminate" but let's be real here. Jaquantavious's application is headed straight for the fireplace.

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gl finding a job if you have to put that you're a convicted felon on your application

yeah yeah it says "we don't discriminate" but let's be real here. Jaquantavious's application is headed straight for the fireplace.
Yep

And so it should

Employers have the right to discriminate

[CavaliersFTW]

gl finding a job if you have to put that you're a convicted felon on your application

yeah yeah it says "we don't discriminate" but let's be real here. Jaquantavious's application is headed straight for the fireplace.
Are all felonies created equal?

[BasedTom]

Are all felonies created equal?
No of course not, but that doesn't change their current status.

if you get caught once it doesn't make you any worse than somebody who is doing what you did every day and getting away with it...but you have it on your record and they don't

[NumberSix]

Rehabilitation is a myth.

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Rehabilitation implies there is something wrong with them

Maybe some might have mental imbalances or whatever you left wing softcocks want to call it

But most of them have nothing wrong with them. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew exactly what the consequences were. Risk vs. Reward. Akin to playing Russian roulette with your life.

[brownmamba00]

Essentially robbing someone of his freedom by putting him in jail where he is away from family and friends is already a big punishment.

They should focus on rehabbing people but we all know that's not gonna happen because everytime someone goes to jail these private companies make money.

[TripleA]

We either have to go full on punishment or full on correction none of this half half stuff. Either be like ancient times where if you commit Crime you get get killed or hand cut off, or your ass beaten. Than people will commit less crimes.
Or have the same thing we have in todays prisons but stop the rape and try to make people not reoffend.

Kill someone drunk driving you die by a car running you over.

[imdaman99]

gl finding a job if you have to put that you're a convicted felon on your application

yeah yeah it says "we don't discriminate" but let's be real here. Jaquantavious's application is headed straight for the fireplace.
Really the only real opportunities they will get is if a friend hires them. I remember a few jobs ago, I was promoted as manager (lol no it was not fast food or retail) and literally a few days later someone else was hired as a co-manager of some sort. I wondered where he came from, turns out he was childhood best friends with the CEO and got laid off from another job. He was in jail for a few years before that, for what I don't know. It's about who you know, not what you know.

I think there should be separate prisons for correction and separate for punishment. For the most part, there is already that.

[BoutPractice]

Neither. The two goals should be:

- Dissuading future crimes
- Protecting society from the risk of multiple offense by the same person, hence the physical removal from the community

if possible within the constraints of ordinary human morality (so no murder, torture etc.)

What makes you feel good, either idealistically (the appeal of a good redemption story) or out of a desire for revenge, should remain secondary to those important short term and long term goals.

[NZStreetBaller]

Chop their hands off. Seriously. Much more affordable. And its very hard to commit crime without your hands.

[Dresta]

A society that doesn't punish those who commit the heinous crimes against it and its citizens is already beyond redemption as far as i'm concerned - right on the path to self-annihilation. If imprisonment is welcomed rather than feared then you have a huge problem.

To say punishment never achieves anything is nonsense also - it was Dostoevsky's Siberian experience that made him into such a remarkable, interesting and genuinely compassionate person.

[sammichoffate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15IzEQauBHU

[senelcoolidge]

Punishment. It's prison! It should be so bad that you never want to go back. Hard labor. Crappy food. Speedy trails with speedy executions..no over populated prisons. Castration, criminals should not be allowed to reproduce.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Cavs, the proper terms are deterrent vs rehabilitation, and a third point being retribution (to recompensate victims)

Circumstantial basis.

Weak-willed abused alcoholic druggie who wants to get their life together and stabs a guy in the thigh to get $$$ for his fix ----> Rehabilitation. Focus on fixing him up, refreshing his dopamine receptors, leading him to be a lifeetc.

Sadistic highly intelligent workaphobic premeditated gold digger who tried multiple times to lure in men and take their money---> Make an example of her.

On behalf of the teenager and young adult crowd who have not yet developed prefrontal cortex and have #yolo like philosophies; deterrence wouldn't be too effective.

However, historically the stocks, gallows, and tar and feathering seemed to trim the fat of evil of society as well as public shame so they are effective.



Even the purpose of Hell is to a) Restrain evil from commiting and harming innocent b) burning to purify and clenase ones soul and bad conditionings so that c) one can start fresh.

Mercy outweighs wrath.

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prison should rehabilitate. Countries that went that route have lower re offender rates. It's a moot discussions now though for a country like America because it's hard to change at this point. Prison as a punishment doesn't work for a lot of prisoners because if you are punishing someone who isn't already a criminal all they end up doing is becoming bitter towards authority and they learn from the criminals you lock them up with, if you are trying to punish they career criminals you aren't really doing that because they thrive in that environment any way. Hell a lot of those kind of criminals who've been in and out of the prisons all their life say they prefer being in prison because they understand that system better.

[iamgine]

Depends. For example, it should be correction for white people and punishment for black people. It's more effective that way.

[CavaliersFTW]

Punishment. It's prison! It should be so bad that you never want to go back. Hard labor. Crappy food. Speedy trails with speedy executions..no over populated prisons. Castration, criminals should not be allowed to reproduce.
Is this serious?

A 19 year old robs someone at an atm with a toygun. They get sent to jail. So castrate them? Really?

Also wrongful accusations and verdicts are a real thing. I know someone who was acquitted for murder charges after being in prison for 20 years and they were on death row. They were eventually found not guilty and sued the state. Speedy (aka hastily done) trial is actually exactly why they were wrongfully accused. Can you imagine if castration was also part of the damages done to this person? One day you could be sent to prison. Simply for resembling the physical description of a criminal whom committed a crime near your local town. Seriously.

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Depends. For example, it should be correction for white people and punishment for black people. It's more effective that way.
I'd argue the opposite would be more effective.