What's more important, a regular season MVP or an all-star game MVP?

[stalkerforlife]

In the regular season, you're facing bad teams, mediocre teams, etc. In the regular season, a player like Nash or Rose can be considered the MVP.

In the all-star game, you're facing the absolute best players from the opposing conference.

The all-star game is the best of the best, and surrounding circumstances, such as the current state of a particular team, are irrelevant.

The all-star game is the most competitive and most star studded event the NBA has to offer.

[MMKM]

:biggums:

[Smoke117]

Even by your standards this is a moronic thread.

[Akrazotile]

Actually this is a very useful "test case" for how logic can be manipulated.

Your points all seem valid in theory, and if you were explaining this to someone who didn't know anything about the NBA, it would probably make a lot of sense.

Obviously we all understand the context and that you are a shameless troll, and thus know it's a completely worthless point.

But it's interesting how convincing a point can be made to sound without all the proper context.

I'm gonna keep this analogy in my backpocket. Thanks stalker. :cheers:

[stalkerforlife]

So since we all agree that the all-star game MVP is more important, simple because all the best players in the world come together in this remarkably star studded competitive event...

Kobe has the most all-star game MVP awards of all time.

Only proving again that he's the 2nd GOAT.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant - 1 mvp

shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

ken griffey jr - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

mark mcgwire - 0 mvps









derrick rose - 1 mvp
steve nash - 2 mvps
lebron james - 4 mvps
peyton manning - 5 mvps



just sayin

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe Bryant - 1 mvp

shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

ken griffey jr - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

mark mcgwire - 0 mvps









derrick rose - 1 mvp
steve nash - 2 mvps
lebron james - 4 mvps
peyton manning - 5 mvps



just sayin

Ether.

[inclinerator]

where can i donate some brain cells

[SpecialQue]

Even by your standards this is a moronic thread.

Which is kind of impressive, when you think about it.

[GIF REACTION]

tim duncan 2 mvps
Michael Jordan 5 mvps
Kareem 6 mvps
lebron 4 mvps


kobe bryant 1 mvp
derrick rose 1 mvp
allen iverson 1 mvp
dirk 1 mvp

Just sayin'

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe Bryant - 1 mvp

shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

ken griffey jr - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

mark mcgwire - 0 mvps









derrick rose - 1 mvp
steve nash - 2 mvps
lebron james - 4 mvps
peyton manning - 5 mvps



just sayin

how they love to talk about shaq when it favors their agenda :lol :lol bran fam


REST.
IN.
PISS.

[HenryGarfunkle]

tim duncan 2 mvps
Michael Jordan 5 mvps
Kareem 6 mvps
lebron 4 mvps


kobe bryant 1 mvp
derrick rose 1 mvp
dell's son 1 mvp
allen iverson 1 mvp
dirk 1 mvp

Just sayin'
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[kennethgriffin]

the allstar mvp list looks better than the regular season mvp list

Allstar MVP
2000[b] Shaquille O'Neal Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (6)
2000[b] Tim Duncan^ Forward/Center United States[c] San Antonio Spurs (2)
2001 Allen Iverson Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (5)
2002 Kobe Bryant^ Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (7)
2003 Kevin Garnett^ Forward United States Minnesota Timberwolves
2004 Shaquille O'Neal (2) Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (8)
2005 Allen Iverson (2) Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (6)
2006 LeBron James^ Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers
2007 Kobe Bryant^ (2) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (9)
2008 LeBron James^ (2) Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2009[b] Kobe Bryant^ (3) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (10)
2009[b] Shaquille O'Neal (3) Center United States Phoenix Suns
2010 Dwyane Wade^ Guard United States Miami Heat
2011 Kobe Bryant^ (4) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (11)
2012 Kevin Durant^ Forward United States Oklahoma City Thunder (3)
2013 Chris Paul^ Guard United States Los Angeles Clippers (2)
2014 Kyrie Irving^ Guard United States[a] Cleveland Cavaliers (3)
2015 Russell Westbrook^ Guard United States Oklahoma City Thunder (4)


only one that seems out of place is kyrie





League MVP
1999–00 Shaquille O'Neal Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (7)
2000–01 Allen Iverson Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (6)
2001–02 Tim Duncan^ Forward/Center United States[c] San Antonio Spurs (2)
2002–03 Tim Duncan^ (2) Forward/Center United States[c] San Antonio Spurs (3)
2003–04 Kevin Garnett^ Forward United States Minnesota Timberwolves
2004–05 Steve Nash Guard Canada[d] Phoenix Suns (2)
2005–06 Steve Nash (2) Guard Canada[d] Phoenix Suns (3)
2006–07 Dirk Nowitzki^ Forward Germany Dallas Mavericks
2007–08 Kobe Bryant^ Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (8)
2008–09 LeBron James^ Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers
2009–10 LeBron James^ (2) Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2010–11 Derrick Rose^ Guard United States Chicago Bulls (6)
2011–12 LeBron James^ (3) Forward United States Miami Heat
2012–13 LeBron James^ (4) Forward United States Miami Heat (2)
2013–14 Kevin Durant^ Forward United States Oklahoma City Thunder
2014–15 Stephen Curry^ Guard United States Golden State Warriors (2)

Iverson, Nash, Nash again, Rose all look out of place. and lebron has way too many while kobe/shaq dont have enough

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]the allstar mvp list looks better than the regular season mvp list

Allstar MVP
2000[b] Shaquille O'Neal Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (6)
2000[b] Tim Duncan^ Forward/Center United States[c] San Antonio Spurs (2)
2001 Allen Iverson Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (5)
2002 Kobe Bryant^ Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (7)
2003 Kevin Garnett^ Forward United States Minnesota Timberwolves
2004 Shaquille O'Neal (2) Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (8)
2005 Allen Iverson (2) Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (6)
2006 LeBron James^ Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers
2007 Kobe Bryant^ (2) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (9)
2008 LeBron James^ (2) Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2009[b] Kobe Bryant^ (3) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (10)
2009[b] Shaquille O'Neal (3) Center United States Phoenix Suns
2010 Dwyane Wade^ Guard United States Miami Heat
2011 Kobe Bryant^ (4) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (11)
2012 Kevin Durant^ Forward United States Oklahoma City Thunder (3)
2013 Chris Paul^ Guard United States Los Angeles Clippers (2)
2014 Kyrie Irving^ Guard United States[a] Cleveland Cavaliers (3)
2015 Russell Westbrook^ Guard United States Oklahoma City Thunder (4)


only one that seems out of place is kyrie





League MVP
[SIZE="1"]1999

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]the allstar mvp list looks better than the regular season mvp list

Allstar MVP
2000[b] Shaquille O'Neal Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (6)
2000[b] Tim Duncan^ Forward/Center United States[c] San Antonio Spurs (2)
2001 Allen Iverson Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (5)
2002 Kobe Bryant^ Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (7)
2003 Kevin Garnett^ Forward United States Minnesota Timberwolves
2004 Shaquille O'Neal (2) Center United States Los Angeles Lakers (8)
2005 Allen Iverson (2) Guard United States Philadelphia 76ers (6)
2006 LeBron James^ Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers
2007 Kobe Bryant^ (2) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (9)
2008 LeBron James^ (2) Forward United States Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2009[b] Kobe Bryant^ (3) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (10)
2009[b] Shaquille O'Neal (3) Center United States Phoenix Suns
2010 Dwyane Wade^ Guard United States Miami Heat
2011 Kobe Bryant^ (4) Guard United States Los Angeles Lakers (11)
2012 Kevin Durant^ Forward United States Oklahoma City Thunder (3)
2013 Chris Paul^ Guard United States Los Angeles Clippers (2)
2014 Kyrie Irving^ Guard United States[a] Cleveland Cavaliers (3)
2015 Russell Westbrook^ Guard United States Oklahoma City Thunder (4)


only one that seems out of place is kyrie





League MVP
[SIZE="1"]1999

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe's only one was a career achievement MVP. He should go drop that trophy off at CP3's house.



the funny thing is i agree

which is just one more reason why the mvp is a bogus award

kobes mvp season was probably not even one of his top 5 most valuable or talented individual seasons

i'd put

2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2013 above 2008 in terms of value to his team and production


kobe won mvp in 2008 because he had the #1 seed and out of the 2 top seeds ( lakers/boston ) kobe had the best numbers ( aka best player on one of the best teams )

paul lost the mvp basically because of the mvp showdown game near the end of the season when LA trounced new orleans... and just simply having a worse record


one might argue paul officially had a 2nd allstar and LA didnt. but its obvious LA was the better team. and thats why kobe got the nod. even though paul was probably more valuable to his specific team if both guys were taken off.



so yeah... under official criteria... it was kobes mvp... but under the criteria that would have made kobe MVP 3-4 times on other occasions. it was pauls in 2008


so you just sucked my **** and ate my c*m... did you like it f*cker? i bet ya did



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[Prime_Shaq]

:biggums:

I don't even...

[stalkerforlife]

the funny thing is i agree

which is just one more reason why the mvp is a bogus award

kobes mvp season was probably not even one of his top 5 most valuable or talented individual seasons

i'd put

2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2013 above 2008 in terms of value to his team and production


kobe won mvp in 2008 because he had the #1 seed and out of the 2 top seeds ( lakers/boston ) kobe had the best numbers ( aka best player on one of the best teams )

paul lost the mvp basically because of the mvp showdown game near the end of the season when LA trounced new orleans... and just simply having a worse record


one might argue paul officially had a 2nd allstar and LA didnt. but its obvious LA was the better team. and thats why kobe got the nod. even though paul was probably more valuable to his specific team if both guys were taken off.



so yeah... under official criteria... it was kobes mvp... but under the criteria that would have made kobe MVP 3-4 times on other occasions. it was pauls in 2008


so you just sucked my **** and ate my c*m... did you like it f*cker? i bet ya did



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[Hopper15]

Retarded question.

[Smoke117]

Which is kind of impressive, when you think about it.

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[SpursAllDay]

For a guy with High BBIQ, you can't tell the difference between a Regular season MVP and a All-star MVP? GTFO:coleman:

[TomBrady]

Playing well in one meaningless game, essentially an exhibition game where zero defense is played vs playing well through an entire regular season against real teams where the results matter. Tough call.

[Smook B]

:roll:

[Town's Town]

How is the OP not banned for trolling?

[stalkerforlife]

How is the OP not banned for trolling?

How are you not banned for being an alt?