Most real thing I've read about Kobe

[sundizz]

Let's have a talk about Kobe Bryant. Because everybody seems to have turned on the Mamba. People are saying he should retire, that it pains them to see him like this, some people even had the audacity to suggest sending him to the D-League.

But that's the problem with today's fans. They never watched Michael Jordan have 6 and 8 point games in his last season with the Wizards. They never watched Larry Bird literally struggle to stand as he ended his career with the Celtics. They don't remember Bob Cousy bringing the entire Garden to tears as he was on his last legs, infamously known as the Boston Tear Party.

It's a part of the struggle. Modern fans who started watching in 2010 have no concept of what a player with that many miles looks like. ****ing enjoy Kobe, even if he isn't playing great right now. This is the end of the road.

"[Kobe's] cursed as much as I am. He can

[Town's Town]

But that's the problem with today's fans. They never watched Michael Jordan have 6 and 8 point games in his last season with the Wizards.

They also never watched Jordan go 1 for 14.

[Akrazotile]

Meltdown.

[kennethgriffin]

They also never watched Jordan go 1 for 14.



jordan never played in a 20th season after achilles surgery


kobes body as of this very moment probably has less verticality than 55 year old jordan

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe has mind-raped these haters for 20 years. I remember the first haters: "Kobe will NEVER WIN WITHOUT SHAQ!"

Let them have this small "victory", they have been abused after all :lol

[JT123]

Kobe is literally the worst rotation player in the league. No other great in the history of sports has EVER had that distinction. When you are as arrogant as he is (along with being the nba's highest paid player) and you play as horribly as he has you are going to be criticized. His fan boys need to get over it and stop begging everyone else to love him. It's pathetic to be honest

[TheImmortal]

Well said OP.. :cheers:

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe is literally the worst rotation player in the league. No other great in the history of sports has EVER had that distinction. When you are as arrogant as he is (along with being the nba's highest paid player) and you play as horribly as he has you are going to be criticized. His fan boys need to get over it and stop begging everyone else to love him. It's pathetic to be honest

It's literally astonishing watching how bad he is. The word bad doesn't even begin to describe the train wreck that is hurting our eyes out there. He's abysmal. 30%fg that makes even die hard laker fans want to puke. It's downright repulsive.

[JT123]

It's literally astonishing watching how bad he is. The word bad doesn't even begin to describe the train wreck that is hurting our eyes out there. He's abysmal. 30%fg that makes even die hard laker fans want to puke. It's downright repulsive.
We've seen great players struggle at the end of their careers, but Kobe is in a class all by himself. And those saying that what he's doing this season doesn't taint his legacy are dead wrong. EVERYTHING a player does in their career counts towards their legacy, not just the good things. I don't think there will ever be an all time great athlete that goes out with as little grace as Kobe is going out with. I like to joke about him on here, but the truth is he's a downright embarrassment to the league at this point.

[Mr Feeny]

We've seen great players struggle at the end of their careers, but Kobe is in a class all by himself. And those saying that what he's doing this season doesn't taint his legacy are dead wrong. EVERYTHING a player does in their career counts towards their legacy, not just the good things. I don't think there will ever be an all time great athlete that goes out with as little grace as Kobe is going out with. I like to joke about him on here, but the truth is he's a downright embarrassment to the league at this point.

His career numbers are plummeting too. He'll be at less than 45%fg before the end of next week. By the end of the season, his 3p fg% will be less than 33% as well.
Not sure why he wants to ruin his legacy.

[Kawhi]

Kobe hurts his team so much when he's on the floor, it's hilarious. You shouldn't even compare him to Wizards Jordan, who had multiple 40+ games in his last season. Is Kobe even better than Orlando Ewing or Toronto Olajuwon?

[AirFederer]

If he is the competitor they claim, why can't he accept a smaller role to let others shine? Why did he drive D12 out of town, nevermind Shaq, why can't the L-akers attract any good free agents?

He's setting the whole organisation years back, all while being paid most in the League...

[sundizz]

It seems like the retirement age is 34/35 for shooting guards. Kobe should of retired when that achilles tore.

Since then he's played 6 games, 35 games, and is now 12 games in. There is no reason he should be out there, but as fans it is very silly to judge him on this.

Let's compare:

Kobe Bryant (last full season): Age 34, 78 games
27.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.4 spg on 46%, 32%, 84%

Dwyane Wade (current season): Age 34, 14 games so far
17.1 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.1 spg on 41%, 29%, 81%

Clyde Drexler (2nd to last season): Age 34, 62 games
18.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.8 spg on 43%, 32%, 80%

Vince Carter (still playing): Age 34, 51 games with Phoenix
13.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.6 apg, .9 spg on 42%, 37%, 74%

Allen Iverson (last season): Age 34, 24 games
13.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.1 apg, .7 spg on 43%, 33%, 82%

[brain drain]

Yes, basketball-wise, he should've retired at 34.

But while Kobe's may be out of his basketball-prime, he's still in his money-making prime until his current contract ends.

So, fans need to realize that for a basketball player, playing basketball is just a means to an end, and as long as that goal is achieved, they'll continue hobbling around.

Hell, who wouldn't show up at work to collect a 24 million dollar paycheck?

[Mr Feeny]

Yes, basketball-wise, he should've retired at 34.

But while Kobe's may be out of his basketball-prime, he's still in his money-making prime until his current contract ends.

So, fans need to realize that for a basketball player, playing basketball is just a means to an end, and as long as that goal is achieved, they'll continue hobbling around.

Hell, who wouldn't show up at work to collect a 24 million dollar paycheck?That's fine. If he's after the money then that's his business. But he's humiliating himself our there and wrecking his legacy at every turn. He's considered a joke.

[AI09]

Jordan had bad games his last year but it doesn't even compare to how bad kobe is doing. Jordan didn't force the issue and chuck up airball after airball brick after brick. I bet kobe will have just as many missed shots this year than Jordan attempted his last year. You can not compare kobes end to jordans and birds because they accepted the fact that they can't go out there and take 20+ bad attempts and even if they did the coach would protect them from them selves by subbing em. Scott on the other hand encourages kobe to take bad shots....

[AI09]

It'll be a shame if kobe gets selected starter at the all star game. Jordan didn't earn his last all star game start the spot was given to him by Carter out of respect. Jordan atleast put up the numbers to earn a spot on that team but he would've made it regardless him being Jordan and all.

[coin24]

Well said OP:applause:


Look how mad JT / Feeny is:lol Replying to himself what a fkn loser!!!

[Mr Feeny]

Well said OP:applause:


Look how mad JT / Feeny is:lol Replying to himself what a fkn loser!!!

Rent free..

[Mr Feeny]

Rent free..

Ouch he needs aloe vera for that burn:lol

[tragicbronson]

His career numbers are plummeting too. He'll be at less than 45%fg before the end of next week. By the end of the season, his 3p fg% will be less than 33% as well.
Not sure why he wants to ruin his legacy.

Because he doesn't care? :confusedshrug:

It's haters job to point out numbers that are supposed to ruin his legacy not his

[STATUTORY]

Kobe has mind-raped these haters for 20 years. I remember the first haters: "Kobe will NEVER WIN WITHOUT SHAQ!"

Let them have this small "victory", they have been abused after all :lol

it's like watching Kate Farber celebrating winning the civil suit :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

But that's the problem with today's fans. They never watched Michael Jordan have 6 and 8 point games in his last season with the Wizards.
To be fair, and ask Doug Collins, after MJ's lowest scoring out put, his first non double digit scoring game in decades ... the very next game he came out and dropped 51. The oldest player ever to do so, and he was a 1.5 almost 2 years older than Kobe is right now.

You say it's just a game then go on this long whiney rant. We will all miss Kobe. He's kind of already been gone or transitioning to being gone the past 2.5 years since the Achilles tear. He's certainly hasn't been the same player. So Kobe the superstar has been gone for awhile.

It's not just how he's playing bad. It's his contract. It's the way he's playing. And it's also his self promoting comments even after hideous games. Going out of his way to remind us of his 2006 season averaging 35 ppg and dropping an 80 point game, etc.

Sports is what have you done for me lately. Always has been. Hindsight and nostalgia clears the picture up even on guys you weren't a fan of in the moment.

There is something to be said of keeping your superstar dignity though. And not suffer through the embarrassment that Kobe and Manning are currently experiencing. I always thought MJ's exit que should've been his last. It was the literal perfect way to go out.

Then sometimes guys hang around too long. It happened to MJ, Montana, Favre, and now Kobe / Manning. Though the first three haven't looked as terrible as the two going through it right now are.

Sometimes there is honor in knowing when to bow out. But the ego, and the statements. More than anything Kobe just seems delusional, and totally lacks self awareness. His god complex kicking in that drove his career maybe? IDK. But it's not like we don't appreciate him or his career. You're being salty and defensive for no reason OP.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Michael Jordan: Age 34, 82 games
29.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.7 spg on 49%, 37%, 83%

Michael Jordan: Age 35, 82 games
28.7 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.7 spg on 47%, 24%, 78%



Kobe Bryant (last full season): Age 34, 78 games
27.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.4 spg on 46%, 32%, 84%

I agree mid 30s should be the retirement age for big and small guards. Anything after and they don't have the quickness to be as effective in a more athletic and quickness based position. Where as big guys don't have to move as much, use their size, camp down low and could hypothetically play until late 30s.

40 and above at the pro level should be too much for just about anyone at any position though


Dwyane Wade (current season): Age 34, 14 games so far
17.1 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.1 spg on 41%, 29%, 81%

Clyde Drexler (2nd to last season): Age 34, 62 games
18.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.8 spg on 43%, 32%, 80%

Vince Carter (still playing): Age 34, 51 games with Phoenix
13.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.6 apg, .9 spg on 42%, 37%, 74%

Allen Iverson (last season): Age 34, 24 games
13.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.1 apg, .7 spg on 43%, 33%, 82%
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AI wasn't a true SG though and he didn't have the size to help him all those other guys did ... to be fair. I didn't realize Drexler was still that good at that age. Those are nice all around numbers.

But yes Kobe's 2013 @ 34 years old was spectacular. I still maintain that injury was his body's way of telling him he was done. He should've listened and for his career was a fitting way to go. He balled hard that year until his literal wheels fell off.

Same way MJ should've stayed retired after the 1998 game winner in the Finals.

The subsequent injuries in 2014, 2015 and now already missed games early in the 2016 season are beating that issue like a dead horse.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe hurts his team so much when he's on the floor, it's hilarious. You shouldn't even compare him to Wizards Jordan, who had multiple 40+ games in his last season. Is Kobe even better than Orlando Ewing or Toronto Olajuwon?

Yet they haven't won a single game without bruh. I'm not saying his play has been great or even good, just short of shit. But this idea that he's the reason The Lakers are awful is not true.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mike didn't embarrass himself the way Kobe is doing right now.

The last 30 games of the 2002-03 season, MJ averaged ~23ppg on 46% shooting. That wrecks anything Bean is doing right now. Comfortably.

I've seen the biggest Kobe fans in the world say the guy should retire; they aren't and shouldn't be subjected to watching their favorite player make a clown of himself.

Bringing up Bird and Jordan does nobody any favors. They were never THIS bad.

[Mr Feeny]

Mike didn't embarrass himself the way Kobe is doing right now.

The last 30 games of the 2002-03 season, MJ averaged ~23ppg on 46% shooting. That wrecks anything Bean is doing right now. Comfortably.

I've seen the biggest Kobe fans in the world say the guy should retire; they aren't and shouldn't be subjected to watching their favorite player make a clown of himself.

Bringing up Bird and Jordan does nobody any favors. They were never THIS bad.

They weren't even anywhere NEAR this bad. They were still decent-good players. This guy in yellow is not even a top 350 player in this league. He's embarassing himself out there. It's grotesque to watch.

[TemporaMutantur]

Kobe is driving into the sunset...and the sun is in his eyes, and that's why he's missing shots. :applause:

[Asukal]

B4 the season started, some of the Kobe stans believed kobe would go for his 6th. They were not wrong, just delusional. :oldlol:

And yes, kobe deserves all the hate. For someone who is supposedly a better long range shooter than the GOAT, his performance is unacceptable missing open shots regularly. :whatever:

[jstern]

No one is turning on the mamba. Just because people are acknowledging that he's playing really bad doesn't mean they have turned against him. They're just pointing out reality, not blindly ignoring the fact.

Then you have the people who like to poke fun at the Kobe stans. They never turned on him.

[rapker]

Ouch he needs aloe vera for that burn:lol

LOL this fool forgot to switch account before commenting on himself :lol :lol

[shadow]

Kobe hurts his team so much when he's on the floor, it's hilarious. You shouldn't even compare him to Wizards Jordan, who had multiple 40+ games in his last season. Is Kobe even better than Orlando Ewing or Toronto Olajuwon?

Actually he's helping his team by paying the bills. Very few people will watch the Lakers moving forward if he were to just call it quits tonight. LA ownership needs him to play the season out. The fact that it's officially his last year will drive ticket sales at home and on the road as well, plus they can probably push out thank you Kobe merch now,

[TheBigVeto]

[QUOTE=sundizz]Let's have a talk about Kobe Bryant. Because everybody seems to have turned on the Mamba. People are saying he should retire, that it pains them to see him like this, some people even had the audacity to suggest sending him to the D-League.

But that's the problem with today's fans. They never watched Michael Jordan have 6 and 8 point games in his last season with the Wizards. They never watched Larry Bird literally struggle to stand as he ended his career with the Celtics. They don't remember Bob Cousy bringing the entire Garden to tears as he was on his last legs, infamously known as the Boston Tear Party.

It's a part of the struggle. Modern fans who started watching in 2010 have no concept of what a player with that many miles looks like. ****ing enjoy Kobe, even if he isn't playing great right now. This is the end of the road.

"[Kobe's] cursed as much as I am. He can

[MiseryCityTexas]

**** outta here OP. Jordan was still good when he played for the Wizards. His team just sucked ass.

[MiseryCityTexas]

They also never watched Jordan go 1 for 14.

Jordan had off nights even when he was in his absolute prime. It's a bunch of ****ing idiots in this thread. Pull the all time game log back up, and look at all the 20 and 30 point games he had playing for the Wizards.:facepalm