real talk about Lebron

[pastis]

Real talk: is there any lebron hater/objective bballfan who really and seriously gives lebron the fault for 2015,2014 and 2007? blame him for 2011 if you want (tough, give credit to mavs defense, who completly focused on preventing lebron driving to the basket and reducing him to a perimter player. totally overlooked this fact.)

[feyki]

I'm not interested on lose or win but he was terrible for Lebron's level at 2007 finals .

He had pretty good scoring and bad defending, playmaking at 2014 finals .

He was the best of his finals at 2015 finals . His 2015 finals also was all time great finals performances . Highest ast % with 87 Magic and 91 Jordan in nba Finals history . Like Elgin Baylor scoring . And with solid defence . Top 15-20 nba finals performances at nba finals history .

[kennethgriffin]

Real talk: is there any lebron hater/objective bballfan who really and seriously gives lebron the fault for 2015,2014 and 2007? blame him for 2011 if you want (tough, give credit to mavs defense, who completly focused on preventing lebron driving to the basket and reducing him to a perimter player. totally overlooked this fact.)


well to be honest... if lebron shoots over 27% in 2015 from beyond 5 feet. the cavs probly win the title

so yes

i blame him


2014 he quit allot of games whenever the going got tough and blamed it on cramps. he let a rookie get in his head and avoided shooting, protected his fg% allot of the time but you could tell kawhi owned his soul.

so yeah lebron was largely to blame in 2014



in 2007 i guess its not entirely his fault since the cavs werent great. but neither was lebron. he played awful... so yes hes largely responsible since when lebron played really great they beat the pistons. who at the time were right on par with san antonio

so if lebron could have done in the finals what he did in the ecf they have a shot. but he was utter trash. so yeah



but if you wanna discount everything because "he wasnt supposed to be there. it was a fluke.. the east sucks and needs a representative"

then you have to discount both his titles even more than theyre discounted already with lockouts and bailouts. since theyre flukes to begin with by having a team that doesnt belong there in the first place

if thats the case than any win wasnt supposed to happen either. they just got lucky..

so lebron either has 4 legit losses in the nba finals

or lebron has 0 legit rings in the nba finals

take your pick

[Gileraracer]

2015 yes. he shot 39% from the field plus 27% from beyond 5ft.


That's not good.

[sdot_thadon]

Real talk: is there any lebron hater/objective bballfan who really and seriously gives lebron the fault for 2015,2014 and 2007? blame him for 2011 if you want (tough, give credit to mavs defense, who completly focused on preventing lebron driving to the basket and reducing him to a perimter player. totally overlooked this fact.)

2011 as close to 100% on him as it can get, even with the wade situation in the periphery.

2007, you can only blame him for not going one on spurs. I always felt after pop saw what he did to the pistons the round before he said no way in hell that happens here. He planned accordingly, so hats off to pop for not letting him do it to him/them.

2014, I see people blame him for not shooting more, that wasn't going to save the heat from the spurs offense. The main problem Miami faced in that series was getting stops, not james' volume. There's no amount of volume aside from something unreal that would have won that series from him. Ungodly standards.

2015, pretty much blameless here, showed the heart and determination so many claimed he lacks. People say well if he had put his normal efficiency the cavs win the chip. Well his normal efficiency likely transforms that series from a top 15-20 finals of all time to a goat candidate. Not to mention the degree of difficulty on the playoff run as a whole. Everyone ignores the fact the cavs had to change the way they've played the whole season mid playoffs, then again during the finals. Ridiculous standards, if he only has one of the best series ever they win......

Wonder why lebron gets held to such a ridiculous standard no one else does......

[SouBeachTalents]

2011 as close to 100% on him as it can get, even with the wade situation in the periphery.

2007, you can only blame him for not going one on spurs. I always felt after pop saw what he did to the pistons the round before he said no way in hell that happens here. He planned accordingly, so hats off to pop for not letting him do it to him/them.

2014, I see people blame him for not shooting more, that wasn't going to save the heat from the spurs offense. The main problem Miami faced in that series was getting stops, not james' volume. There's no amount of volume aside from something unreal that would have won that series from him. Ungodly standards.

2015, pretty much blameless here, showed the heart and determination so many claimed he lacks. People say well if he had put his normal efficiency the cavs win the chip. Well his normal efficiency likely transforms that series from a top 15-20 finals of all time to a goat candidate. Not to mention the degree of difficulty on the playoff run as a whole. Everyone ignores the fact the cavs had to change the way they've played the whole season mid playoffs, then again during the finals. Ridiculous standards, if he only has one of the best series ever they win......

Wonder why lebron gets held to such a ridiculous standard no one else does......

:applause:

[SexSymbol]

Real talk: is there any lebron hater/objective bballfan who really and seriously gives lebron the fault for 2015,2014 and 2007? blame him for 2011 if you want (tough, give credit to mavs defense, who completly focused on preventing lebron driving to the basket and reducing him to a perimter player. totally overlooked this fact.)
In 2015 he was very very selfish and stunted his teams chances of winning.
His supporting cast was better than Curry's statistically in more games than not, so he definitely had optionts, he just wanted to an hero. Absolutely horrible defensively too, like atw level.

In 2014 he scored in trash time to make his stats better and didn't even try to impact the outcome of the game, had one good game.

2007 he was too shit for it to be a non factor on the career, yeah he didn't have much of a chance, but he was still horrible defensively, where he could've stepped up.

[SexSymbol]

I'm not interested on lose or win but he was terrible for Lebron's level at 2007 finals .

He had pretty good scoring and bad defending, playmaking at 2014 finals .

He was the best of his finals at 2015 finals . His 2015 finals also was all time great finals performances . Highest ast % with 87 Magic and 91 Jordan in nba Finals history . Like Elgin Baylor scoring . And with solid defence . Top 15-20 nba finals performances at nba finals history .
this is one of the most outrageous statements in this forum's history.
In last two games he would leave his man wide open, seemingly on purpose as he made no effort to close out anybody.

[yarrak]

In 2015 he was very very selfish and stunted his teams chances of winning.
His supporting cast was better than Curry's statistically in more games than not, so he definitely had optionts, he just wanted to an hero. Absolutely horrible defensively too, like atw level.

In 2014 he scored in trash time to make his stats better and didn't even try to impact the outcome of the game, had one good game.

2007 he was too shit for it to be a non factor on the career, yeah he didn't have much of a chance, but he was still horrible defensively, where he could've stepped up.

He wasn't selfish dumbass. That's the way the Cavs had to play in order to have any chance to win. They were trying to slow the game so they could force the warriors to play the game at a pace they did not want to play at or were not comfortable with. Lebron was the only one on that team who could effectively do that so they just kept getting him the ball.

Cavs were also on a short rotation due to injuries.. If they didn't slow the game down, they would have just gotten tired very quickly and wouldn't have been able to perform as well as they did the whole game.

I swear some people's understanding of basketball on this board is terrible.

[SexSymbol]

He wasn't selfish dumbass. That's the way the Cavs had to play in order to have any chance to win. They were trying to slow the game so they could force the warriors to play the game at a pace they did not want to play at or were not comfortable with. Lebron was the only one on that team who could effectively do that so they just kept getting him the ball.

I swear some people's understanding of basketball on this board is terrible.
He absolutely was selfish, that's the highest usage rate ever in the finals.
You can slow the game down by playing your normal sets too, actually it's even better to have prolonged plays to slow down the game.

[Mr Feeny]

He absolutely was selfish, that's the highest usage rate ever in the finals.
You can slow the game down by playing your normal sets too, actually it's even better to have prolonged plays to slow down the game.

Wow:roll:
It's like he believes what he's trying to type:roll:
Inbred Lithuanian!

[TomBrady]

SexSymbol has some of the worst opinions in the history of human thought. Need to put it out there.

[raprap]

He absolutely was selfish, that's the highest usage rate ever in the finals.
You can slow the game down by playing your normal sets too, actually it's even better to have prolonged plays to slow down the game.
Not sureif trolling

[Hey Yo]

this is one of the most outrageous statements in this forum's history.
In last two games he would leave his man wide open, seemingly on purpose as he made no effort to close out anybody.
It doesn't come close to this ..... which I read 15 seconds prior:


In 2015 he was very very selfish and stunted his teams chances of winning.
His supporting cast was better than Curry's statistically in more games than not, so he definitely had optionts, he just wanted to an hero. Absolutely horrible defensively too, like atw level.

[sdot_thadon]

Bump cause this lunacy needs more run.

[sd3035]

in 2015, the Warriors just sat back and let Lebald chuck away the series

[Gileraracer]

That's what you call "solid defense":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

[J Shuttlesworth]

2007 - Not much could really be done, but they might have won 2 games if he played up to his standards.

2014 - Everyone else was performing very poorly offensively, and the whole team was bad defensively. The 2014 team just wasn't as cohesive as 11-13. They always looked tired, even during the season. I think the minutes caught up to everyone

2015 - Yeah... you just can't fault a guy for losing to a team that might win 73 games this year, especially when his 2nd/3rd best players are injured. No player in history should really live up to that standard. Most people thought the series would go 4-5 games... I was surprised the Cavs won two.

[stalkerforlife]

Bran is to blame for nothing.

Every failure was the fault of someone else.

He's the only person alive that is absolved from all responsibility.

[DaOldLion]

whats this about 07??they lost the last two games in 07 by a combined 3 points, while lebron became the only player in nba history to take 30 FGA in a finals game while socring less than 25 points.. this was in either game 3 or 4 AT HOME. If he plays just average they easily tie the series 2-2

you can certainly put blame on him for that

[DaOldLion]

That's what you call "solid defense":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

never seen this before and wow, that was some terrible defense

[feyki]

That's what you call "solid defense":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

Gsw at season - 1.11 ortg

Gsw against Pelicans - 1.09 ortg

Gsw against Grizz - 1.07 ortg

Gsw against Rox - 1.10 ortg

Gsw against Cavs - 1.07 drtg

And 2015 Cavs players def ratings at nba finals ;

Thompson - 107

Shumpert - 107

J.R. - 109

Della - 109

Mozgov - 105

Lebron - 104


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