Is Lebron the greatest point guard of all time?

[IGOTGAME]

Guy has two finals MVPs, multiple finals appearances and defends like no other...Only person with an argument to be put over him is Magic.

[SaltyMeatballs]

He's not even a ****ing point guard...

[kennethgriffin]

if lebrons a point guard... then so is kobe


and kobe had a better career




leader of all 5 title teams in assists was kobe. main ball handler was kobe. fisher stood in the corner as a catch and shoot guy

[kennethgriffin]

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people forget that kobe didnt have a scottie pippen.. he had to cover PG and SG

[DaOldLion]

for the goat point guard he sure does average a pathetic amount of assist

[kennethgriffin]

for the goat point guard he sure does average a pathetic amount of assist


if curry can average 5-6 assists and be called a point guard. why cant kobe and lebron

[Akrazotile]

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people forget that kobe didnt have a scottie pippen.. he had to cover PG and SG


Sidekicks don't get to have their own sidekicks. :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Anyway, to OP's point... Yes, he is.

And it's a shame Lebron has always refused to officially list himself as the position. Imagine if, instead of having to throw in a filler at the pg position like Boobie Gibson or Mario Chalmers, Lebron could get an extra Tayshaun Prince or Trevor Ariza on the court just by moving himself officially to the PG position. If he doesn't want to guard PG's the whole game he could obviously just rotate with those guys.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a big, thick alpha, I just think this particular issue might have been a slight miscalculation on his part.

[kennethgriffin]

Sidekicks don't get to have their own sidekicks. :facepalm

kobe was the true leader of LA

shaqs career prior was pathetic. like 6 straight sweeps. he needed a great playmaker/perimeter scorer/clutch player to carry his choking ass to his first title

remember game 7 wcf 2000


shaq might have been more efficient during the game overall.. but when things were tight. kobe had to take over.


against the absolute best competition during those 3 titles. kobe was the man

shaq took over after the deal was already in place. all shaq had to do in the finals was show up

[bladefd]

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[Spurs m8]

LOL is anyone with an IQ above 70 a part of the LBJ family?

[warriorfan]

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[sportjames23]

LOL is anyone with an IQ above 70 a part of the LBJ family?

Nope.

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warriorfan cried during the titanic

[FKAri]

You could certainly make an argument.


Sidekicks don't get to have their own sidekicks. :facepalm

:oldlol: Pretty funny



if lebrons a point guard... then so is kobe


and kobe had a better career




leader of all 5 title teams in assists was kobe. main ball handler was kobe. fisher stood in the corner as a catch and shoot guy

A guy notorious for not passing is a pg?

This the guy who told rookie Durant to "never let a teammate take an important shot"

Kobe is a scorer through and through and he's better at that than Lebron by a healthy margin. He's not a PG at all.

[pauk]

He's not even a ****ing point guard...

1. Lebron was drafted as a PG or PG/SG

2. Played most of his rookie year at PG

3. Has started PG many times throughout his career, hundreds of games, his averages from the PG position is 10.6 apg (including 28.5 ppg & 8.1 rpg).... i have data on that if you wish i will oblige.

4. Lebron has & always had the offensive instincts of a very traditional PG, he could have led the league in APG if he wished, even if he didnt start PG.

5. Most importantly, Lebron has ALWAYS been the teams main point-guard role wise & the best/most productive passer/playmaker... in any team he played, that includes All-Star games or more importantly Olympics (despite CP3 or something being there).


So what is a point-guard? Somebody who was that technically? Like simply somebody who starts point-guard 24-7?

or can it also be somebody like above, somebody like Lebron or Magic Johnson..... what do i mean? I mean Magic Johnson between 1980-1984 started SG/SF & Nixon started PG.... Lebron & Magic played identically there in that context... with the exception of Lebron being somewhat more scoring minded... If you called Magic a PG between 1980-84 then you can call Lebron PG now... but my opinion is just like it is for Magic, Magic wasnt a PG, thats an insult i think because i say he was MUCH more than just a PG, just like Lebron.

and its not like you can say "If Lebron was a PG then so was Kobe or Jordan", Lebron was far more PG than them in every single possible way... he was drafted as PG, he played/started PG far more than them, he is skillwise & mindset wise a better PG/playmaker/facilitator/passer than they were and was far more productive assist man... they dont/didnt fill all those 5 points above.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

1. Lebron was drafted as a PG or PG/SG

2. Played most of his rookie year at PG

3. Has started PG many times throughout his career, hundreds of games, his averages from the PG position is 10.6 apg (including 28.5 ppg & 8.1 rpg).... i have data on that if you wish i will oblige.

4. Lebron has & always had the offensive instincts of a very traditional PG, he could have led the league in APG if he wished, even if he didnt start PG.

5. Most importantly, Lebron has ALWAYS been the teams main point-guard role wise & the best/most productive passer/playmaker... in any team he played, that includes All-Star games or more importantly Olympics (despite CP3 or something being there).


So what is a point-guard? Somebody who was that technically? Like simply somebody who starts point-guard 24-7?

or can it also be somebody like above, somebody like Lebron or Magic Johnson..... what do i mean? I mean Magic Johnson between 1980-1984 started SG/SF & Nixon started PG.... Lebron & Magic played identically there in that context... with the exception of Lebron being somewhat more scoring minded... If you called Magic a PG between 1980-84 then you can call Lebron PG now... but my opinion is just like it is for Magic, Magic wasnt a PG, thats an insult i think because i say he was MUCH more than just a PG, just like Lebron.

and its not like you can say "If Lebron was a PG then so was Kobe or Jordan", Lebron was far more PG than them in every single possible way... he was drafted as PG, he played/started PG far more than them, he is skillwise & mindset wise a better PG/playmaker/facilitator/passer than they were and was far more productive assist man... they dont/didnt fill all those 5 points above.

pauk like cawk:lol :lol :lol :lol

[feyki]

Rondo is center , Bill Russell is point guard . Billups is power forward . Shaq is shooting guard .

[GrapeApe]

Lebron has excellent vision and is a great passer, but doesn't take good enough care of the ball compared to most of the all-time great PG's. He has a 2/1 career assist to turnover ratio. Solid for a SF, but not very good if we're classifying him as a PG.

[Hey Yo]

Guy has two finals MVPs, multiple finals appearances and defends like no other...Only person with an argument to be put over him is Magic.
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Magic defended no others....

LeBron > Johnson

[GrapeApe]

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Magic defended no others....

LeBron > Johnson

As an overall player? Probabaly, but not as a PG. There's a difference. There has to be some regard for positional distinction and characteristics of play. If that is ignored we could also say that Jordan is a better PG than Magic or Dwyane Wade is a better PG than John Stockton, simply because the former are superior overall players. Nearly every all-time great perimeter player was a primary ball-handler and was a great passer and playmaker. That doesn't make them a PG.

[G0ATbe]

Top 10 maybe, if he was a point guard.

[rapker]

1. Lebron was drafted as a PG or PG/SG

2. Played most of his rookie year at PG

3. Has started PG many times throughout his career, hundreds of games, his averages from the PG position is 10.6 apg (including 28.5 ppg & 8.1 rpg).... i have data on that if you wish i will oblige.

4. Lebron has & always had the offensive instincts of a very traditional PG, he could have led the league in APG if he wished, even if he didnt start PG.

5. Most importantly, Lebron has ALWAYS been the teams main point-guard role wise & the best/most productive passer/playmaker... in any team he played, that includes All-Star games or more importantly Olympics (despite CP3 or something being there).


So what is a point-guard? Somebody who was that technically? Like simply somebody who starts point-guard 24-7?

or can it also be somebody like above, somebody like Lebron or Magic Johnson..... what do i mean? I mean Magic Johnson between 1980-1984 started SG/SF & Nixon started PG.... Lebron & Magic played identically there in that context... with the exception of Lebron being somewhat more scoring minded... If you called Magic a PG between 1980-84 then you can call Lebron PG now... but my opinion is just like it is for Magic, Magic wasnt a PG, thats an insult i think because i say he was MUCH more than just a PG, just like Lebron.

and its not like you can say "If Lebron was a PG then so was Kobe or Jordan", Lebron was far more PG than them in every single possible way... he was drafted as PG, he played/started PG far more than them, he is skillwise & mindset wise a better PG/playmaker/facilitator/passer than they were and was far more productive assist man... they dont/didnt fill all those 5 points above.

Sorry where is Jordan's flopping collection?

[Marchesk]

Wilt Chamberlain was the greatest point guard from 66-68.

[Prime_Shaq]

He's not a fking point guard, but he is the second greatest non-PG passer.

[Young X]

As an overall player? Probabaly, but not as a PG. There's a difference. There has to be some regard for positional distinction and characteristics of play. If that is ignored we could also say that Jordan is a better PG than Magic or Dwyane Wade is a better PG than John Stockton, simply because the former are superior overall players. Nearly every all-time great perimeter player was a primary ball-handler and was a great passer and playmaker. That doesn't make them a PG.Why do people have a problem when I say this about the PG's playing today? There's a difference between a primary ballhandler/playmaker and a point guard.

[TheBigVeto]

No.
But neither is Magic Johnson.

[AintNoSunshine]

:facepalm heard of Magic?

He's easily top 10, arguably top 5 though.

[DingDengDong]

**** no. Even if he were a PG, there are still a few above him.

[Kvnzhangyay]

**** no. Even if he were a PG, there are still a few above him.

There would only be Magic

[Town's Town]

lol, no.

[Marchesk]

And if Jordan played point guard?

[diamenz]

And if Jordan played point guard?

"Jordan continued to play at the PG spot until the end of the season. In these 24 games he averaged 29.3ppg, 8.9rpg, 10.6 apg, 2.4spg. Between March 24 and April 14, 1989, he recorded a triple double in ten of the eleven games, including seven consecutive ones. In the game he didn’t record a TD, he finished with 40 points, 11 assists and 7 rebounds."

neither jordan or james were the goat point guards though.

[Marchesk]

"Jordan continued to play at the PG spot until the end of the season. In these 24 games he averaged 29.3ppg, 8.9rpg, 10.6 apg, 2.4spg. Between March 24 and April 14, 1989, he recorded a triple double in ten of the eleven games, including seven consecutive ones. In the game he didn’t record a TD, he finished with 40 points, 11 assists and 7 rebounds."

neither jordan or james were the goat point guards though.

No, but Jordan was putting up Oscar numbers.

[DoctorP]

no. next question.

[GoSpursGo1984]

So i guess as long as you are on the basketball court you count as a pg now

[Marchesk]

So i guess as long as you are on the basketball court you count as a pg now

Cousins has really improved has handles and range. I might put him in top 5 PG before season is over.

[Rocketswin2013]

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Magic defended no others....

LeBron > Johnson
Magic was laughable on that end in comparison to LeBron. He was torched by freaking John Paxson in the 1991 Finals. And he was the only guy on his team who was.



• Magic played very bad defense on Paxson. John scored 38 points on 24 shots (76.4 TS%) when was defending by Johnson. And most of these shots were long 2 pointers (only 2 layups, rest usually from 6-7 meters range).


Paxson's on-court ortg: 120.1(highest on team)

LeBron will be 31 before the new year. Magic was 31 that year. The defensive gap is insanely large. LeBron is playing some of the best defense of his career right now.

I wouldn't take Magic over LeBron as a player. Offense-only in a PG role, though? Probably Magic.

[Gileraracer]

He has enought TOs as a SF, please never force him to play PG.

That would be 6 TOs per game at least.

[SexSymbol]

not even close to top 20

[bizil]

For starters, there is A DIFFERENCE between a point guard and point forward. When Bron first came in the L, he was the PG for the Cavs. Because in the starting lineup, he played with a natural SG-swingman in Ricky Davis. And a natural SF in Darius Miles. But over the course of his career, his main position HAS BEEN as a point forward-SF. Because he often plays in lineups with guys whose primary positions are PG and SG. But due to his versatility, he has OFTEN played the PG position flat out.

So u CAN'T have Bron as the GOAT PG. That's Magic all the way. Bron is battling Bird for the GOAT SF crown. If Bron was like Magic and mainly played as a PG, then I think he would have been awesome in that role. He's not the passer Magic was. BUT he's a superior defender and scorer.

[GrapeApe]

He has enought TOs as a SF, please never force him to play PG.

That would be 6 TOs per game at least.

That's the main issue. Lebron doesn't take good enough care of the ball. He has excellent vision and passing ability, but he's a below average ball-handler as far as PG's are concerned. As a full-time PG he'd be capable of racking up high assist totals, but he'd also be a turnover machine. That's what seperates great PG's from the great passing/playmaking perimeter players such as Lebron, Wade, Harden, etc.... Great PG's take much better care of the ball.