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90sgoat
11-30-2015, 11:03 AM
And the stats prove it, Lebron is literally in a league of his own when it comes to Free Throw Rate (FTr), which is number of free throws to field goal attempts. The below compares Lebron's playoff Ftr to other prolific wing players particularly those who drove frequently to the basket.

Irrefutable evidence of LeRefhelp

Player..............................FTr playoffs

LeBron James...................458
Kevin Durant....................433
Paul Pierce.......................432
Dwyane Wade..................418
Paul George.....................406
Michael Jordan.................393
Dominique Wilkins...........370
Tracy McGrady.................367
Russell Westbrook...........366
Kobe Bryant....................359
Vince Carter....................345
Allen Iverson..................333
Kawhi Leonard................265
Derrick Rose...................253

plowking
11-30-2015, 11:11 AM
How does your stat prove that? Can you show me which bit specifically?

If anything it proves to me that he gets fouled the most.

90sgoat
11-30-2015, 11:20 AM
How does your stat prove that? Can you show me which bit specifically?

If anything it proves to me that he gets fouled the most.

It does not technically prove anything but it strongly insinuates that Lebron has unprecented ref help, since more active drivers like MJ, Vince, Dominique, Wade, have much lower FTr than he does.

TomBrady
11-30-2015, 11:26 AM
It does not technically prove anything
We're done here.

ShawkFactory
11-30-2015, 11:28 AM
It does not technically prove anything but it strongly insinuates that Lebron has unprecented ref help, since more active drivers like MJ, Vince, Dominique, Wade, have much lower FTr than he does.
Did your stats tell you that Lebrons ft rate in the playoffs was much higher in his first stint with Cleveland, when he was absolutely as active of a driver as those guys you listed?

plowking
11-30-2015, 11:34 AM
We're done here.

:oldlol:

feyki
11-30-2015, 12:30 PM
2006 Finals.

Gileraracer
11-30-2015, 12:43 PM
In other words: Water is wet.


http://36.media.tumblr.com/457a161d062ff49c7d880290d3ca84dc/tumblr_nodgseryMq1twlqs5o1_1280.jpg

Town's Town
11-30-2015, 12:50 PM
Look how protected wing players of the modern era are :roll:

lilteapot
11-30-2015, 12:51 PM
We're done here.
:lol :lol :lol

OP is a disgrace

stalkerforlife
11-30-2015, 01:01 PM
You're not allowed to guard Bran.

Hence why he is wide open for a majority of his three point attempts. That and he can't shoot.

Megabox!
11-30-2015, 01:16 PM
We're done here.
:lol OP is such a dipshit

90sgoat
11-30-2015, 01:45 PM
:lol OP is such a dipshit

Who are you?

I don't know you.

FKAri
11-30-2015, 01:51 PM
This thread is stupid. He gets ref help (almost as much as MJ) but it sure as hell doesn't come in the form of FT's.

VengefulAngel
11-30-2015, 01:51 PM
Who are you?

I don't know you.

Is that what your parent's said to you?

HurricaneKid
11-30-2015, 01:59 PM
Dude had his nose broken on a drive last year and didn't get a call. Blood everywhere and the zebras be like, its cool. Has every speed and power advantage possible and hasn't been in the top 3 FTA in the NBA the last 4 years, and has only been second once in his career, not once ever lead the league in FTAs.

Mr. Jabbar
11-30-2015, 02:36 PM
The amount of travels and shoving this colluder was allowed is unheard of. Still managed to choke the finals he got into. Fugly game. Top 25 goat at best.

90sgoat
11-30-2015, 02:41 PM
The amount of travels and shoving this colluder was allowed is unheard of. Still managed to choke the finals he got into. Fugly game. Top 25 goat at best.

Without massive ref help he doesn't get past Indy in 2013 and has 1 ring as most, which puts him around 17-20 and that's my fair assesment.

Mr. Jabbar
11-30-2015, 02:44 PM
Without massive ref help he doesn't get past Indy in 2013 and has 1 ring as most, which puts him around 17-20 and that's my fair assesment.

17-20? You are a kind person sir. But I don't take colluding, (in that sorry excuse of a conference) and backstabbing multiple teams only to end up 2/6 lightly. That pos barely makes top 25.

Cocaine80s
11-30-2015, 03:00 PM
17-20? You are a kind person sir. But I don't take colluding, (in that sorry excuse of a conference) and backstabbing multiple teams only to end up 2/6 lightly. That pos barely makes top 25.
4/20

tmacattack33
11-30-2015, 03:11 PM
Actually, general consensus for the past few years has been that he has been getting hammered and doesn't get the same touch fouls as skinny azz chumps like Durant who can be moved 2 feet out of position if the wind blows.

Similar to Shaq not getting calls because he was bigger than everyone at his position.

sd3035
11-30-2015, 03:55 PM
Kinda sad that this guy chokes so much when he has the NBA trying their best to make him win

gcvbcat
11-30-2015, 03:57 PM
shakeel probably had more help.

Smoke117
11-30-2015, 03:59 PM
Considering how high Jordan is up there before all the soft rule changes...I disagree.

inclinerator
11-30-2015, 04:03 PM
Is that what your parent's said to you?
:oldlol:

Wade's Rings
11-30-2015, 04:27 PM
2006 Finals.

Lebron shot 94 Free Throws in the 2009 Conference Finals.

feyki
11-30-2015, 04:34 PM
Lebron shot 94 Free Throws in the 2009 Conference Finals.

Wade attempted 19 ft per game at last four game of the finals .

19 > 15.5 .

Town's Town
11-30-2015, 04:37 PM
Harden got more help than any player in history last season. If he continues to get such calls, he will have the most help ever.

VeeCee15
11-30-2015, 04:38 PM
Kobe had the most ref help EVER in the history of game..he is the king of PHANTOM CALLS his PPG AVG over his career should be at LEAST 5 points lower.

Kobe = fabricated superstar mostly.

Wade's Rings
11-30-2015, 04:44 PM
Wade attempted 19 ft per game at last four game of the finals .

19 > 15.5 .

He attempted 18 and the last 4 Games aren't the whole Finals :oldlol:

Wade shot 97 Free Throws and Bron shot 94 Free Throws :confusedshrug:

Gileraracer
11-30-2015, 04:47 PM
He attempted 18 and the last 4 Games aren't the whole Finals :oldlol:

Wade shot 97 Free Throws and Bron shot 94 Free Throws :confusedshrug:

2006 was the most rigged finals ever anyway

Wade's Rings
11-30-2015, 04:54 PM
2006 was the most rigged finals ever anyway

Very great contribution to the debate :applause:

feyki
11-30-2015, 05:02 PM
He attempted 18 and the last 4 Games aren't the whole Finals :oldlol:

Wade shot 97 Free Throws and Bron shot 94 Free Throws :confusedshrug:

However :D , 2006 finals Wade had most protection from refs in nba history . I'm so happy for "clear" nba right now . I don't see stupid protections calls anymore . I'm so glad to see Adam Silver discipline . Stern was advertisin ****** .

Wade's Rings
11-30-2015, 05:10 PM
However :D , 2006 finals Wade had most protection from refs in nba history . I'm so happy for "clear" nba right now . I don't see stupid protections calls anymore . I'm so glad to see Adam Silver discipline . Stern was advertisin ****** .

Ok :rolleyes: