Lebron is closer to Jordan than Kobe.

[RoseCity07]

The reason Kobe didn't lose more Finals than Lebron is because every time Kobe made it his team was stacked. Lebron made it because he carried them there. Rating Kobe ahead of Lebron is similar to rating Robert Horry ahead of Lebron. It doesn't take individual talent into account.

Kobe had a 7 year head start on Lebron. Yet only has 7,000 more points. At this pace Lebron will pass Kobe in all-time scoring in 4 years. That's so sad.


More MVPs, More Finals MVPs, more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals. All those categories will inevitably favor Lebron of Kobe. I'll say it again, Kobe is glorified Allen Iverson. He's the same player Iverson would have been if he was in LA his whole career.

[stalkerforlife]

http://i66.tinypic.com/au8ie9.jpg

[StephHamann]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58183248.jpg

[knicksman]

http://i66.tinypic.com/au8ie9.jpg

LOL what an ether

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

whatever you say champ.. :lol

[warriorfan]

The reason Kobe didn't lose more Finals than Lebron is because every time Kobe made it his team was stacked. Lebron made it because he carried them there. Rating Kobe ahead of Lebron is similar to rating Robert Horry ahead of Lebron. It doesn't take individual talent into account.

Kobe had a 7 year head start on Lebron. Yet only has 7,000 more points. At this pace Lebron will pass Kobe in all-time scoring in 4 years. That's so sad.


More MVPs, More Finals MVPs, more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals. All those categories will inevitably favor Lebron of Kobe. I'll say it again, Kobe is glorified Allen Iverson. He's the same player Iverson would have been if he was in LA his whole career.

empty stats

[Take Your Lumps]

If Kobe is a glorified Iverson then Lebron is Mitch Richmond :oldlol:

[fiddy]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

whatever you say champ.. :lol
game
set
match

OP=salty hater

[RoseCity07]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

whatever you say champ.. :lol

Kobe's teams were stacked. We saw what Kobe did to the Suns. 3-1 lead. Kobe in his prime. Kobe is the undisputed man. The Suns come back and win the series. Kobe looked scared of Raja Bell.

[fiddy]

Kobe's teams were stacked. We saw what Kobe did to the Suns. 3-1 lead. Kobe in his prime. Kobe is the undisputed man. The Suns come back and win the series. Kobe looked scared of Raja Bell.
cant be serious, gtfo

[RoseCity07]

cant be serious, gtfo

Did the Lakers blow a 3-1 series lead to the Suns when Kobe was the man? Yes or no. Is this not factual?

[DaOldLion]

Kobe's teams were stacked. We saw what Kobe did to the Suns. 3-1 lead. Kobe in his prime. Kobe is the undisputed man. The Suns come back and win the series. Kobe looked scared of Raja Bell.

you are criticizing Kobe for losing a 3-1 lead against one of the GOAT offensive teams in the first round.. while propping up Lebron James who has lost TWO FINALS series after being up 2-1..??

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[fiddy]

Did the Lakers blow a 3-1 series lead to the Suns when Kobe was the man? Yes or no. Is this not factual?
How does that prove your point?

[Hey Yo]

game
set
match

OP=salty hater
in before Jabbar corrects

"game
match
point"

:oldlol:

[Donkey4trading]

Rating Kobe ahead of Lebron is similar to rating Robert Horry ahead of Lebron.

that moment when you stop reading

[RoseCity07]

you are criticizing Kobe for losing a 3-1 lead against one of the GOAT offensive teams in the first round.. while propping up Lebron James who has lost TWO FINALS series after being up 2-1..??

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Okay. Lebron isn't perfect but he lost in the NBA Finals. Not the first round. No excuses.

[buddha]

http://i66.tinypic.com/au8ie9.jpg

here's kids idolizing LeBron

http://media.giphy.com/media/RkMFWDyoDtvgs/giphy.gif

[DaOldLion]

Okay. Lebron isn't perfect but he lost in the NBA Finals. Not the first round. No excuses.

He lost in the NBA finals because he was playing with Prime Wade and Bosh instead of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown..

give Kobe prime Wade & Bosh in 06 and you can give him shit for losing, but are you seriously dumb enough to hold it against him that he lost to a great team when he had a terrible team himself?

Lebron's team was good enough to make the finals, where they were good enough to get a 2-1 lead TWICE, yet Lebron still lost TWICE in the the finals after being up 2-1..

so you are holding more against Kobe for losing with Kwame and Smush than you are holding against Lebron for losing with prime Wade & Bosh in one of the most embarrassing finals performances in history.. DAT LOGIC :oldlol: :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP needs to rid his eyes of LBJ semen.

Kobe and Bron are just about equal ALL-TIME, while Kobe plays a style more akin to Jordan.

Lets move on from the obvious. Clean your face though.

[RoseCity07]

He lost in the NBA finals because he was playing with Prime Wade and Bosh instead of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown..

Lebron's team was good enough to make the finals, where they were good enough to get a 2-1 lead TWICE, yet Lebron still lost TWICE in the the finals after being up 2-1..

so you are holding more against Kobe for losing with Kwame and Smush than you are holding against Lebron for losing with prime Wade & Bosh in one of the most embarrassing finals performances in history..

DAT LOGIC :oldlol: :oldlol:

The Finals where Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh was their first year. They played against Dirk, who single handedly beat Durant, Westbrook, and Harden the series before. That was Miami's first year together. Wade also was not in his prime. His knee is f*cked up.

My point is not about winning, it's about how far Lebron took his team. Kobe was never good enough to carry bad player. Lebron has carried a team with Mo Williams as the second option. Kobe has relied heavily on starts for 100% of his Finals appearances. Lebron hasn't.

[fiddy]

The Finals where Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh was their first year. They played against Dirk, who single handedly beat Durant, Westbrook, and Harden the series before. That was Miami's first year together. Wade also was not in his prime. His knee is f*cked up.

My point is not about winning, it's about how far Lebron took his team. Kobe was never good enough to carry bad player. Lebron has carried a team with Mo Williams as the second option. Kobe has relied heavily on starts for 100% of his Finals appearances. Lebron hasn't.
LeXcuses

[bizil]

The interesting thing about Kobe is that he's the ONLY guy in the top 10 GOAT who didn't redefined their position OUTRIGHT:

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Russ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Bron

ALL of these legends FLAT OUT redefined their positions. In Kobe's case, he was TOO SIMILAR TO MJ! Which on one hand is EPIC because MJ's the GOAT. And Kobe came the closest to duplicating his skillset. But u can't out MJ MJ. MJ broke the mold for that style of SG.

On the other hand, Bron totally redefined the SF position. Just like MJ totally redefined the SG position. In terms of being revolutionary, Bron is more similar to MJ than Kobe. But when it comes to GOAT status and killer instinct, Kobe IS STILL closer to MJ than Bron. But when it comes to perimeter players, Bron, Bird and Magic are in class by themselves in a sense. Because they can play the PF position and still dominate.

[Eye Test]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

whatever you say champ.. :lol

BRUTAL

[Akrazotile]

here's kids idolizing LeBron

http://media.giphy.com/media/RkMFWDyoDtvgs/giphy.gif


Lmfao at that gif:oldlol:

[ballinhun8]

Rosecity used to be a good poster

I don't know why the hell he hates Kobe so much

[DaOldLion]

The Finals where Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh was their first year. They played against Dirk, who single handedly beat Durant, Westbrook, and Harden the series before. That was Miami's first year together. Wade also was not in his prime. His knee is f*cked up.

My point is not about winning, it's about how far Lebron took his team. Kobe was never good enough to carry bad player. Lebron has carried a team with Mo Williams as the second option. Kobe has relied heavily on starts for 100% of his Finals appearances. Lebron hasn't.

see all of these excuses you make?

yet for Kobe its just so cut and dry according to you, he sucks for losing to the suns with Smush and Kwame

this is why people don't take lebron stans seriously

[bobopenguin]

to OP.
no.

[chazzy]

Rosecity used to be a good poster

:oldlol:

[ballinhun8]

:oldlol:



No seriously he was. When these boards bad less trolls he wasn't too bad as a blazers fan.



But jeez lately, wow.

[DaOldLion]

No seriously he was. When these boards bad less trolls he wasn't too bad as a blazers fan.



But jeez lately, wow.

this place has really gone to shit in the past 2 years, I used to lurk a lot and while you had your fair share of trolls on each side at least they attempted to be intellectually honest most of the time

now you just have a bunch of teenagers throwing shit at a wall hoping something sticks, rep really needs to come back IMO, i noticed the trolling really took off when rep was taken away

[jstern]

LOL what an ether
Would be odd for him to say that about Lebron, since Lebron came much later than Kobe, so Kevin Durant couldn't have grown up watching him. So it doesn't really fit.


Kobe's teams were stacked. We saw what Kobe did to the Suns. 3-1 lead. Kobe in his prime. Kobe is the undisputed man. The Suns come back and win the series. Kobe looked scared of Raja Bell.

Lebron has been to the Finals 5 times. But the fact of the matter, is that he didn't get as many opportunities to play against 50 win teams. So in that sense the stat is misleading. How many 50 team teams have they faced? How many times were they favorite?

[stalkerforlife]

here's kids idolizing LeBron

http://media.giphy.com/media/RkMFWDyoDtvgs/giphy.gif

:roll:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

here's kids idolizing LeBron

http://media.giphy.com/media/RkMFWDyoDtvgs/giphy.gif

LEbron Family getting etherd left and right.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[LeBird]

Of course he is. Lebron surpassed Kobe in his first Cleveland stint.

[Magic 32]

Of course he is. Lebron surpassed Kobe in his first Cleveland stint.

http://45.media.tumblr.com/ec5914a325ba2bf2b49d30c2424dc8ad/tumblr_mqaeso6cfY1r3t64do3_500.gif

[CTbasketball92]

Put peak LeBron on any team and they're winning at least 50 games. He singlehandedly beat the pistons to make the finals in 2007, there wasn't another allstar in sight. Kobe had an absolutely MISERABLE team between 2005-2007 and the fact that he made the playoffs should've earned him an MVP, but honestly, no team with prime LeBron is missing the playoffs. That just won't happen. All Kobe had to do was win like 45 games and he'd have made it in '05.

Kobe could have never won 66 games with LeBron's first stint in Cleveland roster. He's still a GOAT, but anyone who doesn't have Bron' in their top 7 is actin' up.

[Mr Feeny]

OP needs to rid his eyes of LBJ semen.

Kobe and Bron are just about equal ALL-TIME, while Kobe plays a style more akin to Jordan.

Lets move on from the obvious. Clean your face though.

There's nothing equal about them. Lebron has been ahead since 2013 and the gap is only getting wider at the moment.

[HOoopCityJones]

There's nothing equal about them. Lebron has been ahead since 2013 and the gap is only getting wider at the moment.

If Lebron only pulled away in 2013 , his dominance literally only lasted two years considering Curry is the man in 2015. Yikes.

Kobe been ****ing the league since 98 til his Achilles injury.

[HenryGarfunkle]

If Lebron only pulled away in 2013 , his dominance literally only lasted two years considering Curry is the man in 2015. Yikes.

Kobe been ****ing the league since 98 til his Achilles injury.
You're a dope with poor reading comprehension

[bobopenguin]

Put peak LeBron on any team and they're winning at least 50 games. He singlehandedly beat the pistons to make the finals in 2007, there wasn't another allstar in sight. Kobe had an absolutely MISERABLE team between 2005-2007 and the fact that he made the playoffs should've earned him an MVP, but honestly, no team with prime LeBron is missing the playoffs. That just won't happen. All Kobe had to do was win like 45 games and he'd have made it in '05.

Kobe could have never won 66 games with LeBron's first stint in Cleveland roster. He's still a GOAT, but anyone who doesn't have Bron' in their top 7 is actin' up.

lol...

u mean.. put lebron + 2 other super stars in the same team to win 50 games.

or

put lebron + 3 refs to get to final.

[Mr Feeny]

If Lebron only pulled away in 2013 , his dominance literally only lasted two years considering Curry is the man in 2015. Yikes.

Kobe been ****ing the league since 98 til his Achilles injury.

Wrong again. Bron pulled away as main guy in 2009 and went ahead of Kobe on most people's all time lists in 2013. As of right now, they're not even close.

Current Curry is better than any version of Kobe as well.

[Mr Feeny]

You're a dope with poor reading comprehension

Unbelievable isn't it?:lol he can't read.

[HOoopCityJones]

How many alts do you have Feeny.

[Mr Feeny]

How many alts do you have Feeny.

50 thousand. I have my people here in Wyoming simultaneously typing. You have a problem?

[3ball]

Curry will get shut down in playoffs.

[3ball]

Lebron didn't get as many opportunities to play against 50 win teams. How many 50 team teams have they faced? How many times were they favorite?


No one cares how many opportunities Lebron had to beat 50-win teams - the only thing people care about is that he beat far less good teams than Kobe, and therefore did LESS to win than Kobe did... End of story

Btw, Lebron lost as the #1 seed in 2009, 2010, and 2011 - so he lost as the favorite at least 3 times (and 3 years in a row)... Plus the 2006 World Championships (international play - he lost to Euroleague-level teams with a goat-stacked team)..

[Mr Feeny]

No one cares how many opportunities Lebron had to beat 50-win teams - the only thing people care about is that he beat far less good teams than Kobe, and therefore did LESS to win than Kobe did... End of story

Btw, Lebron lost as the #1 seed in 2009, 2010, and 2011 - so he lost as the favorite at least 3 times (and 3 years in a row)... Plus the 2006 World Championships (international play - he lost to Euroleague-level teams with a goat-stacked team)..

Maybe he should have lead those teams to worse records so that they wouldn't have been higher seeds?

[AirFederer]

Curry will get shut down in playoffs.

Kobe got shut down after 15 games in RS

[3ball]

Maybe he should have lead those teams to worse records so that they wouldn't have been higher seeds?
The only thing people care about is that he beat far less good teams than Kobe, and therefore did LESS to win than Kobe did... End of story

Btw, Lebron lost as the #1 seed in 2009, 2010, and 2011 - so he lost as the favorite at least 3 times (and 3 years in a row)... Plus the 2006 World Championships (international play - he lost to Euroleague-level teams with a goat-stacked team)..

[3ball]

2011 Wade also was not in his prime. His knee is f*cked up.



^^^^ Pure lies... Here are Wade's 2011 stats:


WADE... 2011 PLAYOFFS: 24.5 ppg on 48.5% fg
LEBRON 2011 PLAYOFFS: 23.5 ppg on 46.6% fg

WADE... 2011 FINALS: 26.5 ppg on 54.6% fg
LEBRON 2011 FINALS: 17.8 ppg on 47.8% fg


Honestly, I can't remember a player ever losing with such a phenomenal 2nd option...

Or 3rd option... 10-time all-star Chris Bosh averaged 19 ppg in the 2011 playoffs and Finals.

[Mr Feeny]

The only thing people care about is that he beat far less good teams than Kobe, and therefore did LESS to win than Kobe did... End of story

Btw, Lebron lost as the #1 seed in 2009, 2010, and 2011 - so he lost as the favorite at least 3 times (and 3 years in a row)... Plus the 2006 World Championships (international play - he lost to Euroleague-level teams with a goat-stacked team)..

Hate to break this down to you numbnuts but no player beats a team. Teams beat teams. Individually, Lebron is about to set the playoffs record for most points. His numbers are astonishing. That's the only thing that matters in an individual comparison. Not the collective's achievements.

[jstern]

No one cares how many opportunities Lebron had to beat 50-win teams - the only thing people care about is that he beat far less good teams than Kobe, and therefore did LESS to win than Kobe did... End of story

Btw, Lebron lost as the #1 seed in 2009, 2010, and 2011 - so he lost as the favorite at least 3 times (and 3 years in a row)... Plus the 2006 World Championships (international play - he lost to Euroleague-level teams with a goat-stacked team)..

Opportunity is very important. Lets say you had a more competitive league, with less 50 win teams. As apposed to this era where the West pads wins on the East. You would have less 50 win teams as a whole in the whole league. Less opportunities to win against 50 win teams. Is Bird a lesser player than Kobe just because Kobe's teams have won more against 50 win teams? No, his team, which were always favorite simply played against less 50 win teams. All being relative, if Bird faced more 50 win teams due to a less competitive league as a whole, he would have more of those wins, since his teams were favorites.

The same with Lebron, only that now you have the West killing the record of East teams, making it even more lop sided. All things being relative, if the East were pounded less by the West, and had more wins, than Lebron would have more series wins against 50 win teams. It's not as if the reason why he has less is because he was losing in the first round while his teams were favorite.

[juju151111]

Curry will get shut down in playoffs.
He didn't get shut down last year

[feyki]

He didn't get shut down last year

http://i.hizliresim.com/G2P2Vy.jpg

http://cavaliersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/praUXJ9.jpg

[Nash]

what did kobe have individually that AI didn't?

[Hopper15]

Lebron will never be close to Jordan. Jordan didn't have to jump ship to win titles.

[HOoopCityJones]

what did kobe have individually that AI didn't?

Superior skill, playmaking, defense and athleticism. All AI really had over Kobe was handles, quickness, cool hair and tattoos that most poeple acted like made him the better star, until he wasn't. Offensively it's pretty much a wash, but Ive always had Kobe and Tmac as 1 A and 1B until Kobe separated from AI and Tmac in the mid 00's.

[riseagainst]

you are criticizing Kobe for losing a 3-1 lead against one of the GOAT offensive teams in the first round.. while propping up Lebron James who has lost TWO FINALS series after being up 2-1..??

:oldlol: :oldlol:


dam....

:lol

[Gileraracer]

The reason Kobe didn't lose more Finals than Lebron is because every time Kobe made it his team was stacked. Lebron made it because he carried them there. Rating Kobe ahead of Lebron is similar to rating Robert Horry ahead of Lebron. It doesn't take individual talent into account.

Kobe had a 7 year head start on Lebron. Yet only has 7,000 more points. At this pace Lebron will pass Kobe in all-time scoring in 4 years. That's so sad.


More MVPs, More Finals MVPs, more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals. All those categories will inevitably favor Lebron of Kobe. I'll say it again, Kobe is glorified Allen Iverson. He's the same player Iverson would have been if he was in LA his whole career.

Yeah cause Lebrons team wheren't stacked when he won. DWade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, ...

not stacked at all :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[3ball]

Yeah cause Lebrons team wheren't stacked when he won. DWade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, ...

not stacked at all :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Has there ever been a 3rd option that was a 10-time all-star (Bosh)?

Nope... Only Lebron had access to a 10-time all-star as his 3rd option..

And who cares that Lebron-ball cratered Bosh's stats - Bosh was a top 12 player in the conference (all-star) and Lebron had access to him...

Bosh demonstrated his 10-time all-star pedigree by playing out of his comfort zone for Lebron - Bosh eventually became a 40% three-point floor-spreader for Lebron-ball.. Only Lebron, Bird, and Magic had 3rd options this good and skilled.

[Funktion]

http://i.hizliresim.com/G2P2Vy.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqb95bXp6C4

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/funnymunny77/Stephen_Curry_absolutely_LOVED_Andre_Iguodala_s_mo nster_dunk_in_the_1st_half_NBAvine_warriors_zpscnu atmrn.gif

[3ball]

Lebron's playoff numbers are astonishing. That's the only thing that matters in an individual comparison.



If Lebron's playoff stats are "astonishing", then what are MJ's stats, since they were superior, nearly ACROSS THE BOARD


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts


As you can see, Lebron DOES LESS (less volume) at the same efficiency.

If Lebron could shoot more at the same efficiency - he would... But he can't... So imagine Lebron DOING MORE - that's MJ.
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[3ball]

Curry didn't get shut down last year


From SB Nation:



But defensively, Dellavedova earned his playing time and more. He harangued Curry through one of the worst nights not only of his career, but in NBA Finals history. When the scrub guarded the MVP in the halfcourt, the MVP shot 0-for-8, missing all five of his three pointers and committing four turnovers. Curry went 3-for-18 when Dellavedova was on the court. Curry could have set the record for most three-pointers attempted in an NBA Finals game with his misses alone, going 2-for-15 from deep. Curry had more turnovers than assists, something he only did once in the regular season. And Delly was guarding him when the Warriors had a chance to win ... and forced an airball:



I use this to gauge how MJ would do guarding Curry - obviously, MJ would lock Curry down much worse than Delladova did - the same way MJ locked down the more athletic Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Gary Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0), Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw), Tim Hardaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s), Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8), etc., etc.

[AlphaWolf24]

Skillwise???...not even close.

career wise???...not even close.


Kobe is the closest player to MJ.....and I'm speaking skill wise only...

[Ca$H]

The reason Kobe didn't lose more Finals than Lebron is because every time Kobe made it his team was stacked. Lebron made it because he carried them there. Rating Kobe ahead of Lebron is similar to rating Robert Horry ahead of Lebron. It doesn't take individual talent into account.

Kobe had a 7 year head start on Lebron. Yet only has 7,000 more points. At this pace Lebron will pass Kobe in all-time scoring in 4 years. That's so sad.


More MVPs, More Finals MVPs, more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals. All those categories will inevitably favor Lebron of Kobe. I'll say it again, Kobe is glorified Allen Iverson. He's the same player Iverson would have been if he was in LA his whole career.

"I mean, in high school I wore a nappy a-- afro because of Kobe Bryant," James said. "Because he wore it. I wanted to be just like him, man. And I always said my inspiration came from (Michael) Jordan, but I always thought Jordan was so out of this world that I could never get there. Kobe was someone that I just always kind of wanted to be like and play like."

:confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

There's nothing equal about them. Lebron has been ahead since 2013 and the gap is only getting wider at the moment.

Sure there is.

On an all-time scale, they're 1A and B. And when it pertains to playing like Jordan, Kobe plays a game more similar to his than LeBron.

[CTbasketball92]

lol...

u mean.. put lebron + 2 other super stars in the same team to win 50 games.

or

put lebron + 3 refs to get to final.

Did LeBron or didn't LeBron win 60 games two seasons in a row without a real all star (mo williams got in in '10 because of injuries)? No other player has the combination of size, athleticism and floor game to do that. Not Anthony Davis. not Blake Griffin, not Curry, not Harden, not westbrook and not KD, though he might be the closest. In fact, put past-peak Bron' on the 76ers right now and they could still finaish top 3 in the east.

[3ball]

Did LeBron or didn't LeBron win 60 games two seasons in a row without a real all star (mo williams got in in '10 because of injuries)?


In 2009, Lebron's 28/8/7/48% was inferior to Jordan's 33/8/8/54% in 1989, yet Lebron won 19 more games than the 89' Bulls!!!!!

So either Lebron's supporting cast was contributing more than Jordan's, and/or Lebron's team played worse competition.

If you want to chalk up all 19 wins to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing inferior competition.

Of course, we know the 19 more wins resulted from a combination of weaker competition and better supporting cast.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which is a stark contrast from MJ's young cast.. MJ's 1989 Bulls and the "Jordan Rules" he faced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m52s) were simply more of a 1-man team that faced superior comp.
.

[ShawkFactory]

In 2009, Lebron's 28/8/7/48% was inferior to Jordan's 33/8/8/54% in 1989, yet Lebron won 19 more games than the 89' Bulls!!!!!

So either Lebron's supporting cast was contributing more than Jordan's, and/or Lebron's team played worse competition.

If you want to chalk up all 19 wins to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing inferior competition.

Of course, we know the 19 more wins resulted from a combination of weaker competition and better supporting cast.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which is a stark contrast from MJ's young cast.. MJ's 1989 Bulls and the "Jordan Rules" he faced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m52s) were simply more of a 1-man team that faced superior comp.
.
Fostered better chemistry with his teammates. Jordan wasn't good at that until the 90s.

[Chokefree]

this place has really gone to shit in the past 2 years, I used to lurk a lot and while you had your fair share of trolls on each side at least they attempted to be intellectually honest most of the time

now you just have a bunch of teenagers throwing shit at a wall hoping something sticks, rep really needs to come back IMO, i noticed the trolling really took off when rep was taken away
its gone to shit because of people like jt123 and all his alts, talking to each other jerking off to kobe news....I wonder what they will do next year when kobe's gone....probably go outside for the first time in their lifes :roll:

[livinglegend]

In 2009, Lebron's 28/8/7/48% was inferior to Jordan's 33/8/8/54% in 1989, yet Lebron won 19 more games than the 89' Bulls!!!!!

So either Lebron's supporting cast was contributing more than Jordan's, and/or Lebron's team played worse competition.

If you want to chalk up all 19 wins to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing inferior competition.

Of course, we know the 19 more wins resulted from a combination of weaker competition and better supporting cast.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which is a stark contrast from MJ's young cast.. MJ's 1989 Bulls and the "Jordan Rules" he faced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m52s) were simply more of a 1-man team that faced superior comp.
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You came up with only 2 options to explain why Lebron's teams could win more games than Jordan's.
That shows how you are closed minded and not evolved intellectually.
I could come up with more than 20 possible reasons to explain it.

[livinglegend]

From SB Nation:



But defensively, Dellavedova earned his playing time and more. He harangued Curry through one of the worst nights not only of his career, but in NBA Finals history. When the scrub guarded the MVP in the halfcourt, the MVP shot 0-for-8, missing all five of his three pointers and committing four turnovers. Curry went 3-for-18 when Dellavedova was on the court. Curry could have set the record for most three-pointers attempted in an NBA Finals game with his misses alone, going 2-for-15 from deep. Curry had more turnovers than assists, something he only did once in the regular season. And Delly was guarding him when the Warriors had a chance to win ... and forced an airball:



I use this to gauge how MJ would do guarding Curry - obviously, MJ would lock Curry down much worse than Delladova did - the same way MJ locked down the more athletic Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc), Gary Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw), John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0), Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw), Tim Hardaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s), Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8), etc., etc.
And you are stupid for using it and acting like it's a fact.
You can't prove shit with that. Your claim means nothing.
Curry struggled against Delly in a completely different defensive system than the one's Jordan played in, in a completely different era than the one's Jordan played and in a completely different team than the one jordan's played -----> That means Jordan would shut down Delly. hahahahaha So stupid.
You take that argument to any intelligent person and he will throw it away.

[livinglegend]

No one cares how many opportunities Lebron had to beat 50-win teams - the only thing people care about is that he beat far less good teams than Kobe, and therefore did LESS to win than Kobe did... End of story

Btw, Lebron lost as the #1 seed in 2009, 2010, and 2011 - so he lost as the favorite at least 3 times (and 3 years in a row)... Plus the 2006 World Championships (international play - he lost to Euroleague-level teams with a goat-stacked team)..

Very flawed logic. RS wiins are not a direct indicator of how good a team is.
Otherwise, the team with the best record would always win the championship.
It's much more complicated than that: matchups, experience, momemtum, coaching, and many other factors come in play.
Another stupid conclusion made by you. smh

[3ball]

Fostered better chemistry with his teammates. Jordan wasn't good at that until the 90s.
That makes no sense - the only reason a team with equal or greater talent loses is because they had worse teamwork/chemistry.

In 2009, Lebron's Cavs were the #1 seed and favored over the Magic, but the Magic had far better chemistry, so they won.

Whereas MJ drastically overachieved in the 1989 playoffs - he took a 47-win team that was the underdog in every series, to the ECF and 6 games with the champs - that's a huge overachievement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s

[ShawkFactory]

That makes no sense - the only reason a team with equal or greater talent loses is because they had worse teamwork/chemistry.

Lebron lost as the favorite in 2009, so his chemistry was shitty..

Whereas MJ drastically overachieved in the 1989 playoffs - he took a 47-win team that was the underdog in every series, to the ECF and 6 games with the champs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s
Not even a little bit close to being remotely true.

[Gileraracer]

Has there ever been a 3rd option that was a 10-time all-star (Bosh)?

Nope... Only Lebron had access to a 10-time all-star as his 3rd option..

And who cares that Lebron-ball cratered Bosh's stats - Bosh was a top 12 player in the conference (all-star) and Lebron had access to him...

Bosh demonstrated his 10-time all-star pedigree by playing out of his comfort zone for Lebron - Bosh eventually became a 40% three-point floor-spreader for Lebron-ball.. Only Lebron, Bird, and Magic had 3rd options this good and skilled.


Guess I have to add "/ironie" from now on.

[3ball]

RS wins are not a direct indicator of how good a team is.

Otherwise, the team with the best record would always win the championship.
It's much more complicated than that: matchups, experience, momemtum, coaching, and many other factors come in play.
Another stupid conclusion made by you. smh


But there's a huge CORRELATION to regular season record and how good a team is.

So you're seeking the exception to the rule, which proves the existence of the rule (that regular season record IS an indicator of how good a team is).

Another dumb response from a poster than I had to set straight. smh

[livinglegend]

That makes no sense - the only reason a team with equal or greater talent loses is because they had worse teamwork/chemistry.

In 2009, Lebron's Cavs were the #1 seed and favored over the Magic, but the Magic had far better chemistry, so they won.

Whereas MJ drastically overachieved in the 1989 playoffs - he took a 47-win team that was the underdog in every series, to the ECF and 6 games with the champs - that's a huge overachievement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s

Prove it!

[3ball]

Not even a little bit close to being remotely true.
So why does a team with equal or greater talent lose?

What offsets the talent advantage?

It's teamwork/chemistry.. Or provide another reason (you can't though, cause the answer is teamwork)

[livinglegend]

But there's a huge CORRELATION to regular season record and how good a team is.

So you're seeking the exception to the rule, which proves the existence of the rule (that regular season record IS an indicator of how good a team is).

Another dumb response from a poster than I had to set straight. smh

hahahaha what a loser. Post the correlation coefficient.
If it's not more than 0.90, you are wrong.

[livinglegend]

Why would i do that?

Everyone knows there's a correlation between the number of wins a team has in regular season, and how good they are... :confusedshrug:

I don't have to do shit - you're just wrong, obviously

There's one, but it's not big enough to say to claim team A is better than team B just by looking at the rs wins.
You have to take in consideration other factors such as injuries, matchups, experience, momentum, etc. Which you didn't


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[CTbasketball92]

In 2009, Lebron's 28/8/7/48% was inferior to Jordan's 33/8/8/54% in 1989, yet Lebron won 19 more games than the 89' Bulls!!!!!

So either Lebron's supporting cast was contributing more than Jordan's, and/or Lebron's team played worse competition.

If you want to chalk up all 19 wins to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing inferior competition.

Of course, we know the 19 more wins resulted from a combination of weaker competition and better supporting cast.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which is a stark contrast from MJ's young cast.. MJ's 1989 Bulls and the "Jordan Rules" he faced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m52s) were simply more of a 1-man team that faced superior comp.
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You;re wylin. First of all, I'm not even comparing MJ to LJ at the moment. LeBron took those celtics teams to the brink a few times at cleveland and they were great. My point is that LeBron has a floor game and physical abilities that enable him to do more essentially by himself than any other of his contemporaries, even now. And that is absolutely true. You'll bring up what LeBron can't do because you feel that people will at least think of him in the way as jordan. The fact of the matter is, james harden, curry, AD and Westbrook are probably getting swept under the same circumstances. That is all.

[Kvnzhangyay]

So why does a team with equal or greater talent lose?

What offsets the talent advantage?

It's teamwork/chemistry.. Or provide another reason (you can't though, cause the answer is teamwork)

It's called matchups...

Matchups > talent easily

[3ball]

It's called matchups...

Matchups > talent easily


The Cavs matched up very well with the Magic.. Especially with Lebron's supposed versatility on defense and Delonte's ability to guard the 1 or the 2.

The problem was that Lebron didn't demand to guard his position in that series - Hedo was the SF, but Coach Brown put Lebron on Courtney Lee instead.

I'm not sure what prevented Lebron from demanding to guard his position.. Maybe Lebron was happy for the easier load defensively so he could stat-pad offensively??... Who knows why he didn't step up..

Honestly, the idea of Lebron guarding Lee is so insane, that I don't think any coach would ever make that move - I think Lebron ASKED to guard Lee.

But regardless, Coach Brown has no clout over Lebron... And Lebron doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that guarding Lee wasn't working - there's no excuse for him not demanding to guard his position.

[warriorfan]

Rafer Alston
Courtney Lee
Hedo Turkoglu
Rashard Lewis
Dwight Howard

Let's be honest LeBron should of beat that team.

[3ball]

james harden, curry, AD and Westbrook are probably getting swept under the same circumstances.


Who cares about Harden, AD, or Westbrook - they're all losers and inferior to Lebron.. They don't rate as playoff performers.

And Curry is a 3-point robot... He likely needs the right team/coach to thrive like he is - the stats would certainly indicate that (his stats skyrocketed since Kerr arrived).





LeBron has a floor game and physical abilities that enable him to do more essentially by himself


Lebron's style is to do everything - he doesn't know how to achieve stats without monopolizing all the action.

So don't ever blame Lebron's supporting cast for his losses - Lebron's style relegated them to play-finisher status, which made them predictable and always gets shut down in the playoffs.

Other than the obvious eye test, we have statistical proof that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers - Mo Williams and other teammates saw their APG decrease significantly alongside Lebron, while their assisted rate increased..

This proves Lebron turned teammates from playmakers into a play-finishers.. Teams with 1 playmaker and a bunch of play-finishers CAN'T WIN in the playoffs... multiple playmaker teams > 1 playmaker teams

[livinglegend]

Who cares about Harden, AD, or Westbrook - they're all losers and inferior to Lebron.. They don't rate as playoff performers.

And Curry is a 3-point robot... He likely needs the right team/coach to thrive like he is - the stats would certainly indicate that (his stats skyrocketed since Kerr arrived).



Lebron's style is to do everything - he doesn't know how to achieve stats without monopolizing all the action.

So don't ever blame Lebron's supporting cast for his losses - Lebron's style relegated them to play-finisher status, which made them predictable and always gets shut down in the playoffs.

Other than the obvious eye test, we have statistical proof that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers - Mo Williams and other teammates saw their APG decrease significantly alongside Lebron, while their assisted rate increased..

This proves Lebron turned teammates from playmakers into a play-finishers.. Teams with 1 playmaker and a bunch of play-finishers CAN'T WIN in the playoffs... multiple playmaker teams > 1 playmaker teams

Explain why Wade and Kyrie weren't play-finishers.
And did Wade turn Lebron into a play finisher? His assists numbers went significally down when he joined Miami. hahahaha... another flawed logic.


NEXT :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


OWNED again

[3ball]

Explain why Wade and Kyrie weren't play-finishers.



Lebron significantly lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%

Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%

FYI...

Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 91'-93': 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95': 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 96'-98': 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)

Source: basketball-reference.com


There's a reason the stats show Lebron lowering the assist capacity of his team - starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted.

Not only did Lebron lower the APG of teammates, but he increased all of their assisted rates, which proves he turned them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Lebron's effect of turning teammates from playmakers to play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all five guys SHARE the playmaking duties more equally.. But in Lebron's case, since his monopolization of the playmaking prevents the best brand of basketball, various equal or less-talented teams have pulled upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

Also, the fact that Lebron usually leads a top 5 offense is not noteworthy.. Nash, Kevin Johnson, Karl Malone and many other players have led top 5 offenses as well, with similarly sparkling stats to support it.. It means nothing.. Otoh, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates, as shown above.. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, which is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill MJ needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win..

Ultimately, Lebron's style fosters inferior teamwork and bad chemistry - accordingly, his stats aren't as impressive as someone who achieves stats WHILE the team has great chemistry.. MJ could've been a ball-dominant, low-assisted player that achieved stats at the expense of teammates too - but then he wouldn't be 6/6.

[Hey Yo]

In 2009, Lebron's 28/8/7/48% was inferior to Jordan's 33/8/8/54% in 1989, yet Lebron won 19 more games than the 89' Bulls!!!!!

So either Lebron's supporting cast was contributing more than Jordan's, and/or Lebron's team played worse competition.

If you want to chalk up all 19 wins to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing inferior competition.

Of course, we know the 19 more wins resulted from a combination of weaker competition and better supporting cast.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which is a stark contrast from MJ's young cast.. MJ's 1989 Bulls and the "Jordan Rules" he faced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m52s) were simply more of a 1-man team that faced superior comp.
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Jordan registered 8FGA in the biggest playoff game of his career in the 1989 ECF.

Maybe if he took 28 more FGA , Bulls wouldn't have lost by 9 and they would have had a 3-2 series lead.

[livinglegend]

Lebron significantly lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%

Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%

FYI...

Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 91'-93': 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95': 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 96'-98': 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)

Source: basketball-reference.com


There's a reason the stats show Lebron lowering the assist capacity of his team - starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard.. But Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to - he turns a normally high assisted forward position into a low assisted one, which lowers the assist capacity of the team relative to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted.

Not only did Lebron lower the APG of teammates, but he increased all of their assisted rates, which proves he turned them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Lebron's effect of turning teammates from playmakers to play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all five guys SHARE the playmaking duties more equally.. But in Lebron's case, since his monopolization of the playmaking prevents the best brand of basketball, various equal or less-talented teams have pulled upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

Also, the fact that Lebron usually leads a top 5 offense is not noteworthy.. Nash, Kevin Johnson, Karl Malone and many other players have led top 5 offenses as well, with similarly sparkling stats to support it.. It means nothing.. Otoh, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates, as shown above.. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, which is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill MJ needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win..

Ultimately, Lebron's style fosters inferior teamwork and bad chemistry - accordingly, his stats aren't as impressive as someone who achieves stats WHILE the team has great chemistry.. MJ could've been a ball-dominant, low-assisted player that achieved stats at the expense of teammates too - but then he wouldn't be 6/6.

What a dumb post! :biggums: All your claims mean nothing, becuz Lebron's numbers also went down significally when he joined Miami.
My theory is much better and facts also support it.
When stars who were the main ball handler/option in their respective teams join in a new team, all of their assist number go down because they have to share the ball more. And this claim explain why Lebron, Wade and Bosh's assists numbers all went down when they joined in Miami.

I win.
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[3ball]

When stars in their respective teams join in a new team, all of their assist number go down


This is factually incorrect - a 20 ppg scorer will have more assist opportunities alongside another 20 ppg scorer than a 10 ppg scorer.

Obviously, when you put players that average HIGHER ppg on the same team, their assist opportunities INCREASE.. It's 2+2=4.

Of course, they have to share the ball - they can't have one guy (Lebron) dominating all the action - but that's exactly what happened, which is why the APG of Mo Williams, Wade, Love, Bosh and Kyrie all go down alongside Lebron... BIGTIME

[3ball]

Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates - this is statistical fact - his teammates ppg and apg decline significantly alongside Lebron.

Lebron's stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, which is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill Bird or MJ needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win..

Ultimately, Lebron's style fosters inferior teamwork and bad chemistry - accordingly, his stats aren't impressive or viable compared to someone who achieves stats WHILE the team has great chemistry.. MJ could've been a ball-dominant, high time of possession player that achieved stats at the expense of teammates too - but then he wouldn't be 6/6.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan registered 8FGA in the biggest playoff game of his career in the 1989 ECF.

Maybe if he took 28 more FGA , Bulls wouldn't have lost by 9 and they would have had a 3-2 series lead.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

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