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West-Side

12-01-2015, 09:40 AM

Yeah when Benjamin went down I thought the season would be a loss. Other than Olsen Cam is throwing to a rag-tag bunch: Cotchery, Funchess, Ginn. Yet the offense is still able to put up respectable numbers.

Well, Stewart is finally healthy and is top 5 in rushing yards.
Our offensive line has also emerged, with Turner & Norwell.
Oher is playing well.

We are ranked 29th in passing offense; mostly because we are a running team and are missing Benjamin.

I wouldn't even want to imagine how good we'd be right now with him in the lineup. By the way, Funchess is getting better each week.

Our defense is the best in the league, better than Denver's.
I don't care what the numbers say.

Our front 7 is more dominant and our secondary is slightly below theirs.

The emergence of Kawann Short & Josh Norman really elevated our defense to new heights. To think we have been without CJ for the past 9 weeks.

Kony Ealy, Shaq Thompson, Charles Tillman, Jared Allen & Kurt Coleman are the other reasons we are so dominant. Bene is one of the very best nickle corners in the league as well, who is highly underrated (mostly because he's just starting his career).

I am super excited for the future of this team.

StephHamann

12-01-2015, 09:53 AM

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=47

rufuspaul

12-01-2015, 09:56 AM

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=47

The Panthers deserve to be on both the Football forum and the OTC. Hell, one more win and they should be on the NBA forum.

Legends66NBA7

12-01-2015, 10:04 AM

04 Delhomme or current Newton ?

West-Side

12-01-2015, 10:09 AM

04 Delhomme or current Newton ?

:facepalm

Just imagine how lethal Cam would be with Steve Smith & Muhsin Muhammed as his targets.

Cam has a chance to win MVP this season; Jake was never a top 10 QB.
Will never forget or forgive him for throwing 5 picks against Arizona in the playoffs.

knickballer

12-01-2015, 10:23 AM

rufuspaul

12-01-2015, 10:24 AM

:facepalm

Just imagine how lethal Cam would be with Steve Smith & Muhsin Muhammed as his targets.

Cam has a chance to win MVP this season; Jake was never a top 10 QB.
Will never forget or forgive him for throwing 5 picks against Arizona in the playoffs.

I was at that game. I liked Jake but that was a horrible performance, especially after going 12-4 on the season.

The 04 Super Bowl was bizarre. First half was a defensive struggle, 2nd half was an offensive shootout and in-between there was the wardrobe malfunction. :oldlol:

rufuspaul

12-01-2015, 10:25 AM

But atleast Jake won a playoff game

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

Panthers beat Arizona in the playoffs last year dude.

UK2K

12-01-2015, 10:27 AM

:facepalm

Just imagine how lethal Cam would be with Steve Smith & Muhsin Muhammed as his targets.

Cam has a chance to win MVP this season; Jake was never a top 10 QB.
Will never forget or forgive him for throwing 5 picks against Arizona in the playoffs.

Not to shit on your parade or anything, but...

27. Carolina Panthers: 111-145, .434

Carolina has only played 4 teams with winning records (three of those being 6-5 being teams that wouldn't have a winning record if it wasn't for their schedule, Indy, Houston, and Seattle) and the other being the Packers (who have fallen apart and lost 4 of 5 since their bye).

I mean, yeah undefeated but... let's temper expectations a little here.

Wally450

12-01-2015, 10:33 AM

Cam Newton would stunt on the Pats D so hard if we played Carolina in the Super Bowl.

rufuspaul

12-01-2015, 10:36 AM

Thorpesaurous

12-01-2015, 10:39 AM

I worry about Carolina in the postseason. But that doesn't mean they're not an elite team. They're doing it old fashioned style. They're defense is what they're playing too. They run the ball and use the clock and then opponents are forced to score against that wall. Even the defense is old style. Linebacker had become the spot to not waste resources. Defensive backs to deal with what's become a set of rule making passing way too valuable. And pass rushers for the same reason. But this team is covering the entire field from the linebacker spot. It also doesn't hurt that they have playmakers at every level. Josh Norman is among the best corners in the league, and their DT position is among the best in the league. They're built like the Urlacher Bears or the Ray Lewis Ravens. And Cotchery has been super underrated as he was during all his time with the Jets. Everybody gripes they have no one to through to, and Cotchery somehow just keeps making plays.

I do worry a bit that the offense can be schemed against in the playoffs though. And even if the defense plays great, if you don't score much you're always just a play away. But they and Arizona are definitely the class of the NFC.

imdaman99

12-01-2015, 10:41 AM

Panthers beat Arizona in the playoffs last year dude.
Panthers beat a team without a QB...is that really that hard to do in the playoffs?

I have a feeling if they meet again this year, Cards win. Unless of course their QB is out again :oldlol:

BasedTom

12-01-2015, 10:47 AM

G-Reg :applause:

https://youtu.be/9ujKxpAvLKg?t=6m8s

West-Side

12-01-2015, 11:10 AM

Uhm Carolina has been dominating their opponents though.

Washington: 44 - 16
Dallas: 33 - 14
Tennessee: 27 - 10

They were absolutely destroying both Green Bay & Indianapolis.
They were up 27-7 against Green Bay, and had a comfortable 17 point lead against the Colts in the 4th quarter. Rivera already told the guys that they must finish games strong.

Their response?

104 to 40, outscoring their opponents in the last 3 games.
No game is a given in this league, so quit pretending like Carolina isn't elite.

No they won't win games like GB or NE do, by throwing the ball. That's not the type of team they are.

If you think they don't have what it takes to win the Super-Bowl, than go take a look at 2000 Baltimore and 90's Cowboys.

They won with elite defense and running the ball. That's what Carolina does; they wear you out with their defense and run game. Most importantly, they cause turnovers.

They beat Seattle in Seattle, when they were on the verge of falling to 2-4 (while Arizona was like 5-0 at the time). I'd say that's desperation; Carolina came out on top.

They played Indy, in a similar position. Absolutely dominated them for most of the game until the defense collapsed a little. Result? Being down by 3 in overtime; Cam orchestrated two impressive drives to kick two fields goals and secure a win.

They destroyed Philly; it was humiliating.
They were down 10-0 to New Orleans and came back quickly to take a commanding lead in that game.

They destroyed Tampa, as well.
They are getting better each week.

Carolina is a clock managing team. They run the ball and have an elite defense. So when they are up in a game, they start playing conservatively on offense. Which is why, unless their run game is dominant or their defense is scoring, very rarely will they try to run up the score offensively.

I think Cam did a fine job at displaying what he is capable off against Green Bay and Washington. When they ask him to take risks on offense, he does pretty damn good.

People just aren't believers yet, it's okay.
See you guys in the playoffs.

StephHamann

12-01-2015, 11:18 AM

meltdown

Carolina will make the playoffs, relax till then. :oldlol:

West-Side

12-01-2015, 11:29 AM

Not to shit on your parade or anything, but...

27. Carolina Panthers: 111-145, .434

Carolina has only played 4 teams with winning records (three of those being 6-5 being teams that wouldn't have a winning record if it wasn't for their schedule, Indy, Houston, and Seattle) and the other being the Packers (who have fallen apart and lost 4 of 5 since their bye).

I mean, yeah undefeated but... let's temper expectations a little here.

What the **** are you showing me?

Carolina's opponents are 52 - 64. [.448]

They were better when Carolina played them though.
For example, New Orleans wasn't 4-7; Green Bay was 6-1; Philly wasn't struggling prior to Carolina's game; Titans had a lot of close games this season; Washington is surging just before getting their ass handed to them by Carolina.

You have to add context.
It's unreal that idiots like you actually believe that beating Seattle, Philadelphia, Indy & Green Bay in a row doesn't solidify Carolina as an elite team and a legit contender.

Look at it this way;

Philadelphia wasn't struggling before playing Carolina.
Green Bay was 6-1.
Indianapolis was in desperation mode; they were struggling, they had to iwn that game [after Carolina's game they are 3-2 I believe].
After Carolina handed Seattle a loss; they are 4-1.

Just putting things in perspective for you.

New England's Opponents: 58 - 63 [.479]

Big deal, NE only played FOUR winning teams as well.
THREE of them are 6-5 [Colts, Steelers & Jets].

Carolina beating Seattle (in Seattle), Indianapolis, Green Bay, Philadelphia, streaking Washington team is way more impressive to me than BARELY beating the Steelers, Colts & Jets and losing the Broncos.

But whatever, people hate to put things in perspective on this forum anyways and just run their mouth.

I'd take NE's easy ass schedule over Carolina's any day.
Fact is there are only like 8 winning teams in the league because there were like FOUR 8-0 teams to start the year, so the strength of the schedule is skewed.

UK2K

12-01-2015, 12:05 PM

What the **** are you showing me?

Carolina's opponents are 52 - 64. [.448]

They were better when Carolina played them though.
For example, New Orleans wasn't 4-7; Green Bay was 6-1; Philly wasn't struggling prior to Carolina's game; Titans had a lot of close games this season; Washington is surging just before getting their ass handed to them by Carolina.

You have to add context.
It's unreal that idiots like you actually believe that beating Seattle, Philadelphia, Indy & Green Bay in a row doesn't solidify Carolina as an elite team and a legit contender.

Look at it this way;

Philadelphia wasn't struggling before playing Carolina.
Green Bay was 6-1.
Indianapolis was in desperation mode; they were struggling, they had to iwn that game [after Carolina's game they are 3-2 I believe].
After Carolina handed Seattle a loss; they are 4-1.

Just putting things in perspective for you.

New England's Opponents: 58 - 63 [.479]

Big deal, NE only played FOUR winning teams as well.
THREE of them are 6-5 [Colts, Steelers & Jets].

Carolina beating Seattle (in Seattle), Indianapolis, Green Bay, Philadelphia, streaking Washington team is way more impressive to me than BARELY beating the Steelers, Colts & Jets and losing the Broncos.

But whatever, people hate to put things in perspective on this forum anyways and just run their mouth.

I'd take NE's easy ass schedule over Carolina's any day.
Fact is there are only like 8 winning teams in the league because there were like FOUR 8-0 teams to start the year, so the strength of the schedule is skewed.

Speaking of perspective....

Wtf? I just pointed out that the teams they have beaten aren't all that amazing.

Green Bay was 6-1 when Carolina beat them, the week after they'd been absolutely trounced by the Broncos. They've won one game since their bye week, which was the week before Denver destroyed them.

Their last 3 wins were against teams with a combined 10-23 record. I didn't say they sucked you big cry baby...I said temper expectations until they face a team with a legit shot at the Superbowl.

Their best win was week 2 against Seattle. They should be 11-0 given the schedule they've played. Not to say they were expected to go undefeated, but Carolina was probably favored in every game they've played this year.

Do you think they win out? I think they could, not because they're that awesome, but because they face the Falcons 2x, the Giants, the Saints, and the Bucs....

Bosnian Sajo

12-01-2015, 12:13 PM

Tampa gon be wild card winners and end up in the super bowl, bet on it.

TheSilentKiller

12-01-2015, 01:11 PM

just to piss off west-side

Panthers are the worst 11-0 team of all time (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-panthers-are-the-worst-team-to-ever-start-11-0/)

:oldlol:

West-Side

12-01-2015, 02:56 PM

Speaking of perspective....

Wtf? I just pointed out that the teams they have beaten aren't all that amazing.

Green Bay was 6-1 when Carolina beat them, the week after they'd been absolutely trounced by the Broncos. They've won one game since their bye week, which was the week before Denver destroyed them.

Their last 3 wins were against teams with a combined 10-23 record. I didn't say they sucked you big cry baby...I said temper expectations until they face a team with a legit shot at the Superbowl.

Their best win was week 2 against Seattle. They should be 11-0 given the schedule they've played. Not to say they were expected to go undefeated, but Carolina was probably favored in every game they've played this year.

Do you think they win out? I think they could, not because they're that awesome, but because they face the Falcons 2x, the Giants, the Saints, and the Bucs....

You're such a moron. :facepalm
Using your logic, New England should be 11-0 with their cup cake schedule.

I'd much rather Carolina face their shitty opponents than Seattle (on the road), Green Bay, Dallas, Philadelphia, Colts.

It's funny those 5 teams were all superbowl contenders.
Who did NE even beat?

They've played ONE team that was a legit contender and lost to them with a backup QB.

UK2K

12-01-2015, 03:04 PM

You're such a moron. :facepalm
Using your logic, New England should be 11-0 with their cup cake schedule.

I'd much rather Carolina face their shitty opponents than Seattle (on the road), Green Bay, Dallas, Philadelphia, Colts.

It's funny those 5 teams were all superbowl contenders.
Who did NE even beat?

They've played ONE team that was a legit contender and lost to them with a backup QB.

Why do you keep talking about the Patriots? I don't care about the Patriots at all. You sound like a Democrat right now, constantly deflecting away from the topic.

All I said:

I mean, yeah undefeated but... let's temper expectations a little here.

And then you tell me to have perspective while calling me a moron, an idiot, and so on. How old are you? :oldlol:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

28th

http://www.predictionmachine.com/Strength-of-Schedule-Rankings

31st

http://www.footballsavages.com/2015-nfl-strength-of-schedule/

27th

You act like what I said was blasphemy but in reality, everyone has them as having one of the 5 worst schedules of the season. A simple 'yeah their schedule sucks but a win is a win' is all you needed to say. Instead you launched into a tirade about the Patriots. I get you're about 17 or so, but it's not like I threw out an opinion that had no justification.

Have some perspective? You need to go to one of those colleges that has a 'safe space' where you never have to hear anyone tell you something you don't want to hear.

West-Side

12-01-2015, 03:19 PM

Why do you keep talking about the Patriots? I don't care about the Patriots at all. You sound like a Democrat right now, constantly deflecting away from the topic.

All I said:

And then you tell me to have perspective while calling me a moron, an idiot, and so on. How old are you? :oldlol:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

28th

http://www.predictionmachine.com/Strength-of-Schedule-Rankings

31st

http://www.footballsavages.com/2015-nfl-strength-of-schedule/

27th

You act like what I said was blasphemy but in reality, everyone has them as having one of the 5 worst schedules of the season. A simple 'yeah their schedule sucks but a win is a win' is all you needed to say. Instead you launched into a tirade about the Patriots. I get you're about 17 or so, but it's not like I threw out an opinion that had no justification.

Have some perspective? You need to go to one of those colleges that has a 'safe space' where you never have to hear anyone tell you something you don't want to hear.

The strength of the schedule as it stands right now, not when Carolina played those teams.

Get that through your skull.

Dallas were 3-0 with Romo.
Packers were 6-1.
Seattle on the road, was tough.
Philadelphia were #1 seed in their division before playing Carolina.
Indy still had Luck, and they nearly beat NE & beat Denver I believe.
Washington were red hot before playing Carolina.

You can sit there and look at records all you want but the fact is most of you morons had Carolina losing to Dallas, Green Bay, Seattle, Indy and Philly. They were the underdogs in those games, besides Indy/Philly. :facepalm

But now with Romo out, Philadelphia collapsing, Packers struggling etc. sure the strength of the schedule looks worse then it was when the teams actually played.

UK2K

12-01-2015, 03:53 PM

The strength of the schedule as it stands right now, not when Carolina played those teams.

Get that through your skull.

Dallas were 3-0 with Romo.
Packers were 6-1.
Seattle on the road, was tough.
Philadelphia were #1 seed in their division before playing Carolina.
Indy still had Luck, and they nearly beat NE & beat Denver I believe.
Washington were red hot before playing Carolina.

You can sit there and look at records all you want but the fact is most of you morons had Carolina losing to Dallas, Green Bay, Seattle, Indy and Philly. They were the underdogs in those games, besides Indy/Philly. :facepalm

But now with Romo out, Philadelphia collapsing, Packers struggling etc. sure the strength of the schedule looks worse then it was when the teams actually played.

Ignoring your continued name calling for no apparent reason, I'd point out that 78% of people put money on Carolina in that game.

So no, most losers had their money on Carolina.

You're literally arguing with a bunch of websites that back up my statement.

TheMan

12-01-2015, 03:55 PM

don't pay attention to mexico's team and their shit fans. they feed off of it
How the hell are the Cowboys Mexico's team? They are America's team, don't lay the Cowboys on us :lol

Living in Mexico, the NFL is very popular but I've noticed that the 49ers, Raiders, Packers, Giants, Bears, Patriots, Steelers are very popular there. The Cowboys are also popular but it ain't Mexico's team :no:

~primetime~

12-01-2015, 03:57 PM

TheMan

12-01-2015, 04:09 PM

pretty sure the Cowboys have more fans in Mexico than any other team...Canada as well

Football is actually huge in Canada btw...2nd behind only hockey

Football is really a "North American" sport...not just the US

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/onenationnfl092514/fans-travel-bus-mexico-see-dallas-cowboys
Cowboys are very popular, not denying that. They have a huge fanbase based on their success from the 70's and 90's great teams and recently because Tony Romo has Mexican ancestry but as a diehard Bears fan, I run into a bunch of fellow Bears fans south of the border, that's my story and I'm not backing away from it:lol

Yeah, Mexico is known as a soccer crazy nation and futbol is very popular but baseball, basketball and the the NFL are also very popular. In fact, baseball is the most popular sport in the north, more than soccer. The NFL is popular among more affluent fans, more than soccer, which is seen by more well to do fans as a working class sport, which I found weird.

Anyways, I think Carolina and the Cardinals are the elite of the NFC. A few weeks back I thought the Packers were the NFC team to beat but even my Bears beat them at home...that's sad :oldlol:

UK2K

12-01-2015, 04:39 PM

Cowboys are very popular, not denying that. They have a huge fanbase based on their success from the 70's and 90's great teams and recently because Tony Romo has Mexican ancestry but as a diehard Bears fan, I run into a bunch of fellow Bears fans south of the border, that's my story and I'm not backing away from it:lol

Yeah, Mexico is known as a soccer crazy nation and futbol is very popular but baseball, basketball and the the NFL are also very popular. In fact, baseball is the most popular sport in the north, more than soccer. The NFL is popular among more affluent fans, more than soccer, which is seen by more well to do fans as a working class sport, which I found weird.

Anyways, I think Carolina and the Cardinals are the elite of the NFC. A few weeks back I thought the Packers were the NFC team to beat but even my Bears beat them at home...that's sad :oldlol:

I like the Cardinals as well, then Carolina, then Minnesota. All have great defenses, all have above average offenses.

In the AFC, it's really New England and Cincy, and while Denver won this week, I don't think Denver could hang with a healthy Pats team. Luckily for them, they may not have to.

TheMan

12-01-2015, 06:01 PM

I like the Cardinals as well, then Carolina, then Minnesota. All have great defenses, all have above average offenses.

In the AFC, it's really New England and Cincy, and while Denver won this week, I don't think Denver could hang with a healthy Pats team. Luckily for them, they may not have to.
I'm not buying into Cincy, not with Ginger Dalton as QB vs Tom Brady. Even though Denver beat NE last week, I also wouldn't take Denver's rookie QB vs Brady in an all or nothing match up.

In the NFC, I like Carolina and the Cards but I wouldn't overlook GB, they still have Rodgers and he can get hot and carry them to the SB. Not really buying the Vikes, they have the D and Peterson but Bridgewater isn't a QB I could see taking them to the promised land.

AceManIII

12-01-2015, 06:40 PM

Panthers going to the Bowl

Only see the Seahawks or the Cardinals as a tough challenge

oarabbus

12-01-2015, 06:43 PM

Cards with healthy Palmer could upset Carolina

Don't see it happening otherwise. Cam won't lose again to the Seahawks, not with the way they've been playing this year.

ScalsFan21

12-01-2015, 09:08 PM

I am so hoping for a rematch of the 2004 Super Bowl. Crazy to think that Brady was the Patriot's QB back then and is still playing at such a high level.

It would be one hell of a game. Would've been kinda cool to see if both teams could make a run to the Bowl undefeated but that's not realistic to expect. :lol Part of me is pissed we lost (okay, most of me), but there is a part that makes me feel like "okay, pressure is off now" and the Pats don't need to worry about redeeming the perfect season we lost in '07.

It's not crazy to think you guys could run the table the rest of this season: Saints, Giants, Falcons twice, Bucs is not easy but it is doable.

dazzer87

12-01-2015, 09:17 PM

NFL blew it on Sunday with some bs calls against NE that cost them the game......Didnt they want a 18-0 Panthers vs 18-0 NE going into Superbowl 50?

CelticBaller

12-01-2015, 09:20 PM

Still losing to the 18-1 patriots

ROCSteady

12-02-2015, 08:57 AM

UK2K

12-02-2015, 09:40 AM

If Carolina finishes 16-0 with that group of pass catchers (although I've always been a big Greg Olsen fan since CHI) then the fabric of reality will be forever torn.

I like how the Panthers have maximized their strengths though this season.

They better just hope they don't see a NASTY defensive front in the playoffs because we have seen how that story plays out.

The 2013 Seahawks won with defense.

Their leading receivers were Golden Tate (64), Doug Baldwin (50), and Marshawn Lynch (36).

Olsen is on pace for 85 receptions, Ginn is on pace for 48 receptions, and Cotchery is on pace for 39 receptions.

Carolina wouldn't be the first to win with their play style. Seattle beat them to it.

UK2K

12-02-2015, 11:22 AM

I'm not buying into Cincy, not with Ginger Dalton as QB vs Tom Brady. Even though Denver beat NE last week, I also wouldn't take Denver's rookie QB vs Brady in an all or nothing match up.

In the NFC, I like Carolina and the Cards but I wouldn't overlook GB, they still have Rodgers and he can get hot and carry them to the SB. Not really buying the Vikes, they have the D and Peterson but Bridgewater isn't a QB I could see taking them to the promised land.
TB is a big reason they are 8-3.

The Vikings are 6-0 when TB throws for 200 yards or less. The rest of the NFL is 41-53 when their QB throws for 200 or less.

TB has thrown only 7 interceptions on the season, while throwing 319 pass attempts. That puts him right around these two in terms of int's per pass attempt:

Russell Wilson - 325 attempts, 7 picks
Cam Newton - 332 attempts, 9 picks

TB hasn't thrown as many TD passes as those two, but he doesn't need to. He needs to control the ball, manage the game, and not do anything stupid. He does all three of those things very well. He's actually 28th in int/pass attempts in the league, ahead of Brees, Palmer, Cam, Ryan, Bortles.

He does just enough, but not too much, to allow his defense and the run game to get them W's.

hateraid

12-02-2015, 11:40 AM

I'm calling NO wins this weekend. Straight up. I'm putting $100 on it

UK2K

12-02-2015, 12:04 PM

I'm calling NO wins this weekend. Straight up. I'm putting $100 on it

At +260?

Rather bet $50 on them to cover, and use the other $50 to make a parlay out of it.

TheSilentKiller

12-02-2015, 12:07 PM

TB is a big reason they are 8-3.

The Vikings are 6-0 when TB throws for 200 yards or less. The rest of the NFL is 41-53 when their QB throws for 200 or less.

That speaks more to their defense and run game being great than Bridgewater.

UK2K

12-02-2015, 12:24 PM

That speaks more to their defense and run game being great than Bridgewater.

I think it speaks to both.

When I see TB, it reminds me of Alex Smith for the Chiefs. Great run game (well, they had a great run game) good defense, and a QB who doesn't turn the ball over.

Denver currently leads the league with 19 interceptions, and only 1 (ONE) forced fumble recovery. It's much more common to blow the game on a bad pass that gets picked than a fumble that the defense recovers.

By TB only throwing a pick on 2.2% of his passes, he's basically taken away Denver's biggest strength; the interception.

The further you go down the list of Int%, the better QB's you'll see. Dalton at 1.7%, Rodgers at 1%, and Brady at .9%. Go the other way? Romo at 5.8%, Fitzpatrick, Bradford, Foles.

Best teams in TO margin in the NFL?

New England
Seattle
Cincinnati
Green Bay
Minnesota
Buffalo
NY Jets

Worst teams in TO margin?

Dallas
Baltimore
Detroit
Tennessee

Limiting turnovers is winning football.

Statistics show that in the NFL, teams with positive turnover ratios have a significantly higher probability of winning. Over the past five full seasons, clubs with more takeaways than giveaways have a combined 810-220-2 (.786) record.

TB is exactly what they need. A QB who doesn't turn the ball over.

West-Side

12-02-2015, 12:30 PM

The 2013 Seahawks won with defense.

Their leading receivers were Golden Tate (64), Doug Baldwin (50), and Marshawn Lynch (36).

Olsen is on pace for 85 receptions, Ginn is on pace for 48 receptions, and Cotchery is on pace for 39 receptions.

Carolina wouldn't be the first to win with their play style. Seattle beat them to it.

They also had, arguably the most dominant RB at the time.
That definitely opens up room to throw the ball.

UK2K

12-02-2015, 12:36 PM

They also had, arguably the most dominant RB at the time.
That definitely opens up room to throw the ball.

He was 23rd in rushing average and 7th in ypg that season. He was tied for first in rushing TD's. I would say he was top 5, but definitely not the most dominant. I think the mere thought of him running between the tackles was enough to make defenses crowd the line though. Probably has something to do with the visor. It's scary.

Their defense, however, was one of a kind.

West-Side

12-02-2015, 12:47 PM

He was 23rd in rushing average and 7th in ypg that season. He was tied for first in rushing TD's. I would say he was top 5, but definitely not the most dominant. I think the mere thought of him running between the tackles was enough to make defenses crowd the line though. Probably has something to do with the visor. It's scary.

Their defense, however, was one of a kind.

That's precisely my point.
I wouldn't say he was the best; McCoy, Charles, Peterson etc. were all better.

However, his ability to break tackles forced defense to crowd the line which ultimately opened up room for the receivers.

J. Stewart is a fine RB but due to all of his injuries; he lost a lot of his explosiveness. His 3.9 YPC is solid, but he barely breaks any big plays because he lacks speed & explosiveness now.

I do see a lot of similarities between Seattle & Carolina though.

Seattle had a slightly better offense though because of Lynch; but with Benjamin returning next season, that advantage definitely goes to Carolina (especially if Stewart is healthy).

Carolina has the better front 7 but Seattle had the advantage in the secondary.

UK2K

12-02-2015, 12:56 PM

That's precisely my point.
I wouldn't say he was the best; McCoy, Charles, Peterson etc. were all better.

However, his ability to break tackles forced defense to crowd the line which ultimately opened up room for the receivers.

J. Stewart is a fine RB but due to all of his injuries; he lost a lot of his explosiveness. His 3.9 YPC is solid, but he barely breaks any big plays because he lacks speed & explosiveness now.

I do see a lot of similarities between Seattle & Carolina though.

Seattle had a slightly better offense though because of Lynch; but with Benjamin returning next season, that advantage definitely goes to Carolina (especially if Stewart is healthy).

Carolina has the better front 7 but Seattle had the advantage in the secondary.

The one thing I love Carolina for (other than the uniforms and Cam being Cam), and all the credit goes to the coaching, but their willingness to run the ball even on nights where it may not be the best option.

I think in the last three or four years, the NFL has become obsessed with the passing game and the vertical offense, but really if you look at the teams that run the ball the most, those are the teams that are successful. Not to say the passing game hasn't changed the way the NFL is played, but the running game is still as important now as it ever was.

hateraid

12-02-2015, 01:03 PM

At +260?

Rather bet $50 on them to cover, and use the other $50 to make a parlay out of it.
I'm betting the cover. Just too silky. But I think personally they win straight up

West-Side

12-02-2015, 01:15 PM

I'm betting the cover. Just too silky. But I think personally they win straight up

:oldlol:

Why don't you bet your house.

rufuspaul

12-02-2015, 01:35 PM

:oldlol:

Why don't you bet your house.

Throw in the kid's college money!

rufuspaul

12-02-2015, 01:38 PM

The one thing I love Carolina for (other than the uniforms and Cam being Cam), and all the credit goes to the coaching, but their willingness to run the ball even on nights where it may not be the best option.

I think in the last three or four years, the NFL has become obsessed with the passing game and the vertical offense, but really if you look at the teams that run the ball the most, those are the teams that are successful. Not to say the passing game hasn't changed the way the NFL is played, but the running game is still as important now as it ever was.

Gio Bernard at Cincy brings that power running game and is a big reason they've done so well.

The Tarheels have a history of producing great running backs. Watch out for Elijah Hood when he goes pro.

West-Side

12-02-2015, 01:48 PM

Looks like it will be a two-man party on this forum when the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

:cheers: rufus

UK2K

12-02-2015, 01:52 PM

Gio Bernard at Cincy brings that power running game and is a big reason they've done so well.

The Tarheels have a history of producing great running backs. Watch out for Elijah Hood when he goes pro.

He's in the same boat as Fournette this year, correct? Stuck in college another year?

rufuspaul

12-02-2015, 03:05 PM

He's in the same boat as Fournette this year, correct? Stuck in college another year?

Yeah, he's a sophomore.

Looks like it will be a two-man party on this forum when the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

:cheers: rufus

:rockon:

UK2K

12-02-2015, 03:29 PM

Looks like it will be a two-man party on this forum when the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

:cheers: rufus

I'd love to see Carolina win.

I don't like a lot of QB's but Cam is something special. He's a great player, as well as a great person. He is definitely among my favorite players.

West-Side

12-02-2015, 04:40 PM

I'd love to see Carolina win.

I don't like a lot of QB's but Cam is something special. He's a great player, as well as a great person. He is definitely among my favorite players.

:cheers:

Yes.
I love that he enjoys the game so much and is such a good role model.
Him giving footballs to little kids after every TD is a nice gesture and he does A LOT for his community.

Last year he had the ankle injury and subsequently the rib injury, so it was kind of a waste of a season for him; but in his 5th year, leading his team to 11-0. :applause:

If he can just adjust his throwing mechanics, he could be something truly special. He has a very powerful throw and a very accurate throw WHEN he uses his back foot properly. He makes too many throws on the run; he needs to get comfortable in the pocket and start improving that part of his game.

Sky is the limit for Cam though.

rufuspaul

12-07-2015, 02:39 PM

12-0 after an exciting game against the Saints yesterday. :cheers:

Here's a bizarre fact: The Panthers played the Saints yesterday, December 6th, and won their 16th consecutive regular season game. The first win of that streak was against the Saints on December 7th last year. In *both* games, the Panthers scored exactly 41 points and gained exactly 497 total yards; their time of possession in the two games was 36:00 and 36:34. :wtf:

hateraid

12-07-2015, 03:07 PM

:oldlol:

Why don't you bet your house.

Ahem, so you were saying?

UK2K

12-07-2015, 03:41 PM

Ahem, so you were saying?

$50 on NO to cover, and $50 on NO to cover AND Philly to cover, right? You made that bet?

Orlando Magic

12-07-2015, 04:13 PM

hateraid

12-07-2015, 04:25 PM

$50 on NO to cover, and $50 on NO to cover AND Philly to cover, right? You made that bet?
No. $100 on New Orleans to cover.

UK2K

12-07-2015, 04:27 PM

No. $100 on New Orleans to cover.

hateraid I told you!

Come on, meow.

I'm a whole lot better at betting games than I am playing DraftKings, but I hit it big this week with a super stacked lineup, its just too fun to stop.

West-Side

12-07-2015, 05:42 PM

Ahem, so you were saying?

:facepalm "but personally I think they win straight up."

That's what I was commenting on, not your gay ass cover.

hateraid

12-07-2015, 06:18 PM

:facepalm "but personally I think they win straight up."

That's what I was commenting on, not your gay ass cover.
Holy, you're a sensitive one.

I said I was betting the cover. And they did. You said bet the house. You're comment sounded like you were mocking my bet, not my personal pick on the game. Was it that offensive to bring that up?

rufuspaul

12-08-2015, 04:51 PM

So basically you're saying this is where the streak ends and you should bet the farm against the Panthers in the next game.

Yeah, if I were you I'd take the Falcons all the way. :rolleyes:

ROCSteady

12-08-2015, 10:37 PM

The 2013 Seahawks won with defense.

Their leading receivers were Golden Tate (64), Doug Baldwin (50), and Marshawn Lynch (36).

Olsen is on pace for 85 receptions, Ginn is on pace for 48 receptions, and Cotchery is on pace for 39 receptions.

Carolina wouldn't be the first to win with their play style. Seattle beat them to it.

No shit dummy but they didn't go 16-0 in the regular season either.

I'm not talking about winning a SB, I'm talking about going 16-0