Is this version of Kobe the worst player in NBA history?

[nba_55]

Has a player ever been this detrimental to his team? It feels like he's only out there to sabotage the Lakers.

[outbreak]

no. he is easily the worst player in NBA history.

Has any other athlete ever gone from being the best player in their league\competetion to the clear cut worst?

[JT123]

Yes, yes he is

[Eye Test]

Kobe wins the tank battle. Lebron loses to washington. Curry 19-0.

We
Stay
Winning!!

[KungFuJoe]

He was close to the worst player last year too.

It's crazy because I didn't think he could get worse and he has proven me absolutely wrong.

[Spurs m8]

He is a complete and utter disgrace to the game at the moment....same levels of disgrace as Harden.

Both should be kicked out of the NBA as of right now.

[Rake2204]

Are there any other nominees we can throw out there? In terms of players who still go out and put up 20 shots a night and see such negative results?

I was really pulling for the fellow tonight, which is unusual as I haven't been his biggest fan throughout his career. But yeesh, it was rough. Nice little move on Stauskas though - I enjoyed that. Otherwise, I struggle to believe he'll make it through the season. But he has to, right?

[Collie]

Shit, this would have been considered a troll topic before, but now, it might actually be true.

[rodman91]

Has a player ever been this detrimental to his team? It feels like he's only out there to sabotage the Lakers.

2004 FinalsBe. Back then at his prime with God like Shaq and bunch of good role players and Jackson he sabotaged entire series just because he wanted to be the man in LA over Shaq.

Phil Jackson wrote a book for his attitude. lol.

[Spurs m8]

Yes because if Kobe didn't play the Lakers would be absolute world beaters right now.

They would at least beat the 6ers and blood some of the young guys.

Kobe this season is possibly the biggest cancer in a long long time

[TaLvsCuaL]

The most selfish for sure

[CarlosBoozer]

I do think we'll ever witness someone shoot 20 times a game and barely make it to 20 points :lol

[tmacattack33]

I would doubt it.

Of course, there are probably about a 1,000 of worse players who got signed by NBA teams at one point.

But obviously they were at the end of the bench, and so they weren't harming their team...unless they were creating locker room problems or something.

[Magic 32]

The most selfish for sure

This is selfish?...

Russell
Clarkson
Simmons
Randle
Upshaw

[brain drain]

I love this version of Kobe.

Basically his deteriorating physical fitness has laid bare the very essence of this player.

HE NEVER QUITS.

Nothing can stop this man. You could literally take out his kneecaps, he'd still shoot 20 fga/game.

That's his indomitable will, the mind of a champion, fighting against all odds, never say die attitude, going down shooting etc.


It will be a very long time until we see anything like him again.

[Replay32]

He's making a mockery of the game and it's not good to watch. He's just out there as a ball stopper and all he's doing is chucking. The team is losing. He's not helping team chemistry. I know it's his final year, but once again it seems to be all about him. When it should be about the team.

He's been painful to watch all season. But these last two games have been over the top. Kobe is trippin and the Lakers organization (top to bottom) are pretty weak for allowing this shit to go down.

Man these dudes lost to the Sixers.

[f0und]

statistically, yes he is. and using the eyeball test, he gave me eye cancer.

[Mr Feeny]

He's so terrible right now that he's aosta a parody of himself. I cant believe what's unfolding in front of my eyes when the Lakers play these days. As another poster said, he's making a mockery of the sport. Part of me finds it hillarious while the other part finds it disgusting to watch. It's just....awful basketball. Awful.

[Segatti]

I love this version of Kobe.

Basically his deteriorating physical fitness has laid bare the very essence of this player.

HE NEVER QUITS.

Nothing can stop this man. You could literally take out his kneecaps, he'd still shoot 20 fga/game.

That's his indomitable will, the mind of a champion, fighting against all odds, never say die attitude, going down shooting etc.


It will be a very long time until we see anything like him again.

Haters BTFO :applause: :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

He's making a mockery of the game and it's not good to watch. He's just out there as a ball stopper and all he's doing is chucking. The team is losing. He's not helping team chemistry. I know it's his final year, but once again it seems to be all about him. When it should be about the team.

He's been painful to watch all season. But these last two games have been over the top. Kobe is trippin and the Lakers organization (top to bottom) are pretty weak for allowing this shit to go down.

Man these dudes lost to the Sixers.

It is all about the Team. To keep that pick.

Lakers aren't going anywhere until Kobe is gone.

[Mr Feeny]

He's making a mockery of the game and it's not good to watch. He's just out there as a ball stopper and all he's doing is chucking. The team is losing. He's not helping team chemistry. I know it's his final year, but once again it seems to be all about him. When it should be about the team.

He's been painful to watch all season. But these last two games have been over the top. Kobe is trippin and the Lakers organization (top to bottom) are pretty weak for allowing this shit to go down.

Man these dudes lost to the Sixers.
Nailed it.

[guy]

He was close to the worst player last year too.

It's crazy because I didn't think he could get worse and he has proven me absolutely wrong.

He's at least twice as bad as last year. At least that version I could possibly see help a good team. This version literally wouldn't get minutes on any other team.

If you count every single player in history including anyone that's ever had a 10 day contract and never stepped on the court, then he's probably not the worst. But that doesn't make sense. Out of anyone that actually plays relevant minutes and played more then a couple games, yes he arguably is the worst in history. His career is 100% living off his name right now. If it was about ability, he wouldn't be even on the court.

[HoopologyPhD]

He could quite honestly be the worst player in any major sport ever to be allowed the green light to do what he wants.

I don't think we have every witnessed anything like this, typically even the legendary players are forced out if they are so clearly ineffective.

[Sarcastic]

Crazy he's getting paid $25m to do it too.

[HurricaneKid]

Even after missing 1/3 of his team's games, Kobe is on pace for -3.6 WS.

The worst in the last 40 years (roughly when they started keeping all the stats to calculate WS) is -1.6.

I mean he still isn't the worst player in the league. But he is close. And none of the others up for that award would EVER have the authority to shoot at the volume and efficiency as this. So his impact, as calculated by WS, is worse than the next two players in the history of the game COMBINED.

[Dragonyeuw]

No, there have been 'worse' players in the NBA, the ones who only play the last minute of a blowout and otherwise get no playing time, or guys that come in and give you a solid 10-15 mins. They don't play primary roles on your team, and if they did, you'd probably see something to the effect or worse of what we're seeing with Kobe. In a nutshell, Kobe shouldn't be playing 30 mins, or taking 16 shots a night. He should be playing 15-20 tops, halving his shot attempts, and being a mentor to his younger teammates. What we're seeing right now borders on disrespecting the game.

Now if you want to talk about 'worst' in terms of his contract relative to performance, easily the least valuable player I've seen just within the context of this season.

[Town's Town]

Worst detriment, yes. There are less talented, but they don't play and therefore don't hurt the team as much.

[Rake2204]

He could quite honestly be the worst player in any major sport ever to be allowed the green light to do what he wants.

I don't think we have every witnessed anything like this, typically even the legendary players are forced out if they are so clearly ineffective.Something will have to give here. Either Bryant will be able to play himself into some semblance of a groove (even something on the south side of 40 percent shooting would probably suffice) or he's going to have to do a thing where he comes out and says he's decided to reduce his own role for the betterment of the team. I just can't see any way this carries on as is for an entire 82 game schedule.

[HurricaneKid]

Something will have to give here. Either Bryant will be able to play himself into some semblance of a groove (even something on the south side of 40 percent shooting would probably suffice) or he's going to have to do a thing where he comes out and says he's decided to reduce his own role for the betterment of the team. I just can't see any way this carries on as is for an entire 82 game schedule.


I'm confident Mitch WANTS the Lakers to end up with a top 3 pick and is just fine with Kobe doing whatever this is. If they end up with Ben Simmons and next year are able to get say RussWB in FA all of a sudden that traded #1 is worthless and they have cornerstones in place to get back to the top. If they end up winning 28 games and end up with the #5 pick they lose the pick and are in an even worse spot next year. the Lakers NEED their pick to be bottom 3 and find a way to attract some FAs.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm confident Mitch WANTS the Lakers to end up with a top 3 pick and is just fine with Kobe doing whatever this is. If they end up with Ben Simmons and next year are able to get say RussWB in FA all of a sudden that traded #1 is worthless and they have cornerstones in place to get back to the top. If they end up winning 28 games and end up with the #5 pick they lose the pick and are in an even worse spot next year. the Lakers NEED their pick to be bottom 3 and find a way to attract some FAs.


Just noticed this huh? :oldlol:

[guy]

Something will have to give here. Either Bryant will be able to play himself into some semblance of a groove (even something on the south side of 40 percent shooting would probably suffice) or he's going to have to do a thing where he comes out and says he's decided to reduce his own role for the betterment of the team. I just can't see any way this carries on as is for an entire 82 game schedule.

He'll probably get hurt regardless. He'll probably have a similar ending to Barkley. Get hurt, work to get back so he can play a couple of minutes.

[HurricaneKid]

Just noticed this huh? :oldlol:

No.

Have you noticed that trying to lose and letting Kobe play Kobe ball are the same thing?

[Smook A.]

He is a complete and utter disgrace to the game at the moment....same levels of disgrace as Harden.

Both should be kicked out of the NBA as of right now.
As much as a I dislike Harden right now, he is playing nowhere near as bad as Kobe is so far this season.