Is this true about Islam (wtf)

[oarabbus]

http://i.imgur.com/9lYFgjc.png

if true: :biggums:

[knickballer]

All religions preach that stuff and not just islam. :facepalm

[Derka]

Depends on which imam/mullah you're talking to.

[imdaman99]

Why look so far into it? When these idiots open fire in a crowd or blow themselves up, everyone there is innocent. Even though they are not afraid to die, they are still cowards because they are not fighting soldiers in their line of duty.

[fiddy]

Depends on which imam/mullah you're talking to.
Thats why i hate all religious, they follow the "word of god", but you shouldnt interpret the writings literally, and anyone can infer whatever he/she wants from reading the bible/quaran. Reduces role for religions, ASAP

[brownmamba00]

'who kills a soul, unless it be for murder, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.

[fiddy]

[QUOTE=brownmamba00]'who kills a soul, unless it be for murder, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.

[brownmamba00]

Meh, sounds like a cliche
Yeah kill all jews and infidels on sight would've made a better a story for you guys right?:rolleyes:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

There have been over 1000+ threads on Islam in the past year.


Of those 1000+ threads, not a single one has been devoted to
- Shahadah
- Salat
- Zakat
- Hajj
- The meaning of La Illaha Illilaha
- or any actual study of the Qu'ran.


I have never in my life, upon discussing any subject seen a crowd so uniformly address only the dark side of something. Any subject.

But to clarify:
However, let's set things straight. Materialist-Atheists like yourself think it's over after death and thus you see it one way. Perhaps your critique is correct; I know for sure it would make sense to lighten up on consequences if such was the case. However...

Islam and Muslims believe that the worldly life is insignificant compared to the Hereafter (which is eternal).
Being killed is not the worst thing to happen to you. Not even close. The worst thing that can happen is to separate the bond between Creator (Allah) and Creation.

So by this logic you must acknowledge there is a mercy to having a premature death; as it actually saves ones soul from furthering reaping bad deeds upon it, thus putting you in a (shallower) level of Hell or Paradise.

Fornication is NOT punishable by death. Adultery is.
Why? It is understood that God specifically created from one soul, two others, in order that they may grow in love and mercy for each other. Having entanglements with others reduces the sacred love between a husband and wife and dishonoring your marital vows are among the worst wrongs one can do. It betrays human dignity and their honor, destroys something special one builds up, and energetically and astrally speaking, creates a bond between two who were never meant to be together; not to mention the havoc it would wreap on the lives of children.

Disbelieving in Allah is NOT punishable by death.
This is a complete lie written by an atheistic vendetta. It has the same tone as a daughter who ran away from her father and is adding her own fabricated input to demean him and garner some kind of sympathy for her cause. However, the stronger one's faith is in God, naturally the happier they'll be the straighter their journey will be, the more the chaotic universe will appear to be far more in order and many other infinite benefits.

Homosexuals are not inherently evil. It's the act of sodomy that is.
Why? In addition to being a spiritual sickness, and a practice among the rebellions in the Land of Lut.
Even the non-religious Chinese believe that the anus is a vulnerable gateway to someone's being, and it's best not to tread near that area. Men and men were not meant to be in union. Men and women were. Khatam.


Men dressing like a woman? There are Hijras all over Muslim Countries that partake in vagabondry.

Apostasy? Don't know the verdict. Many leave the fold easily unscathed. Others roughly. Who knows. These are one of those things that suck worse than death in the eyes of Muslims, by the way. As it is the equivalent of losing your footing and falling into an abyss in a thin bridge towards your ultimate destination (Allah).

It's funny that the redditor, instead of utilizing their will to carve their own path now that they're "free" almost always slander slander slander... as if they can't even help themselves. As if they're the servant of a different master or possessed by a different spirit...

while a billion decent human beings strive to come closer to their Lord one foot at a time.


If you criticize Allah, his Prophet, his Sahaba, you are not innocent?
I don't even know where this came from. It's a relatively new phenomenom. At any rate the point of criticism is to provide feedback to modify something, no?. An important premise of Islam is that Allah (SWT) is perfect and we are flawed. This is the Truth from the beginning.


Keep in mind there is also no compulsion in religion. You have free will. You choose what you want to do with your life.

Peace.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Meh, sounds like a cliche

Bulgarian Brother, this isn't about stylistically innovating things to entertain people. That's what the music and film industry are for.

it's about reaffirming an eternal truth that's the very fabric and foundation of our morality.

[senelcoolidge]

By fornication you mean it's ok to have homo sex or male pedophilia, yet homosexuals are forbidden.

[Nick Young]

http://i.imgur.com/9lYFgjc.png

if true: :biggums:
Yep it's very true. Muslims will deny it, but that's because their religion teaches them to deflect and lie to infidels in the name of preserving the name of Islam.

It's all in the Koran. Check it out from the library and read it yourself if you don't believe me. It's not a difficult book to read and has some interesting stories.


Click here to read about Mohammad ordering the execution of poets who wrote satirical mocking poems about him and Islam. (http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm)

The Charlie Hebdo killers were simply following in their glorious prophet's example.

[mehyaM24]

Why look so far into it?

is the op wrong?

why not "look into it" if the religion & its verses are a large cause of terror and violence? :confusedshrug:

[oarabbus]

There have been over 1000+ threads on Islam in the past year.


Of those 1000+ threads, not a single one has been devoted to
- Shahadah
- Salat
- Zakat
- Hajj
- The meaning of La Illaha Illilaha
- or any actual study of the Qu'ran.


I have never in my life, upon discussing any subject seen a crowd so uniformly address only the dark side of something. Any subject.



Can you think of a reason why this might be? Could it have been due to events over the last 15-20 years? Or do you really feel it's just unfair slander :confusedshrug:



But to clarify:
However, let's set things straight. Materialist-Atheists like yourself think it's over after death and thus you see it one way. Perhaps your critique is correct; I know for sure it would make sense to lighten up on consequences if such was the case. However...

Islam and Muslims believe that the worldly life is insignificant compared to the Hereafter (which is eternal).
Being killed is not the worst thing to happen to you. Not even close. The worst thing that can happen is to separate the bond between Creator (Allah) and Creation.

So by this logic you must acknowledge there is a mercy to having a premature death; as it actually saves ones soul from furthering reaping bad deeds upon it, thus putting you in a (shallower) level of Hell or Paradise.




Why do you assume that I'm an atheist? Could I not be a Christian, Jew, or Hindu?

And 'being killed is not the worst thing to happen to you' well it is in THIS life, on this planet Earth. A premature death being considered 'mercy' is an abomination UNLESS the individual is suffering greatly (euthanasia) but as far as I understand this is forbidden in Islam, and Christianity.


For the record fundamentalist Christians are almost as bad, they are stupid, backwards, ignorant scum of the earth. But they haven't been blowing up marketplaces, although they have gunned down innocent civilians. F.cuking scum fundamentalists, all of them.

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=brownmamba00]'who kills a soul, unless it be for murder, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.

[brownmamba00]

That's not a real quote.
5:32

Look it up if you didn't know

[Nick Young]

5:32

Look it up if you didn't know

Stop lying about your religion.



Nazam is a regular on our blog and an active proponent for Islam in the UK. I met Nazam this past summer in London; he's very congenial and I really like the guy.

All affability aside, he has struck a nerve that I simply cannot ignore. In the comment thread of a recent post, he refers to the would-be Times Square bomber and the man who initially pointed out the danger to the police. Nazam said this:

Just a little quote from the Quran, the holy book of the Muslims.

“…if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind…” - The Holy Quran (Chapter Five, Verse 32).

Just think who gets the reward, Fahad, the allege bomber or Aliou Niasse? =)

What bothers me is Nazam has ripped 5:32 out of context, and being a Muslim apologist, he probably knows it full well. In fact, 5:32 is the most ripped-out-of-context verse of the Qur'an in the West. Muslims (and even news organizations) often refer to this verse in order to show that Islam teaches murder is wrong and saving lives is the prescribed action for all people.

But this is absolutely not what this verse says. In fact, it says almost the exact opposite: that Muslims can kill those who are their enemies! The only way you can conclude as Nazam has concluded is to ignore the verses that immediately follow 5:32, as well as to ignore parts of the verse itself.


Here is 5:32 in its context, with all words included (emphasis mine):

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Salient points:

1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to Muhammad's people.

2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Now let's think for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.

As if this weren't obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur'an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says

The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.

It is undeniably clear that, in order to make Islam seem peaceful, Nazam and many other Muslims rip this verse out of its context, take words out of the very verse itself, changing the entire message for something else. I wonder if they know they are guilty of Surah 5:13. In any case, we should not let ourselves (or anyone who might be interested) be deceived by the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/05/quran-532-nazam-and-neglecting-context.html

[brownmamba00]

The quote is clear as daylight moron what kind of propaganda site are you quoting

Also

[Nick Young]

The quote is clear as daylight moron what kind of propaganda site are you quoting

Also “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.

Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
It's not propaganda to post the full context of the verse you posted.


If Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare, why did Mohammad lead aggressive military campaigns of conquest across the Arab peninsula during his own life time? Why did Mohammad aggressively attack Mecca? Why did Muslims aggressively commit acts of warfare against the Persians and Egyptians? Why did Mohammad aggressively attack and slaughter the Banu Qurayza?:confusedshrug:


Stop lying. Nobody believes your bullshit. It is easily proven false. All one has to do is read the Koran to see that you are spewing out of context bullshit.

[NumberSix]

5:32

Look it up if you didn't know
You left out the part about how that only applies to Jews, not Muslims.

You also let out the part where it's ok to kill people not who are "creating mischief in the land" and that the proper punishment for "creating mischief" is execution, crucifixion, chopping off limbs or expulsion from the land.

[Nick Young]

You left out the part about how that only applies to Jews, not Muslims.

You also let out the part where it's ok to kill people not who are "creating mischief in the land" and that the proper punishment for "creating mischief" is execution, crucifixion, chopping off limbs or expulsion from the land.
Knowledge and literacy-the true enemies of Islam.

None of the lies hold up if you actually read the source material.

[brownmamba00]

The term "Children of Israel" refers to the twelve sons of Jacob and their descendants you dumbass:facepalm

God is speaking to all man kind in that verse.

[Nick Young]

The term "Children of Israel" refers to the twelve sons of Jacob and their descendants you dumbass:facepalm

God is speaking to all man kind in that verse.
More lies.



If Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare, why did Mohammad lead aggressive military campaigns of conquest across the Arab peninsula during his own life time? Why did Mohammad aggressively attack Mecca? Why did Muslims aggressively commit acts of warfare against the Persians and Egyptians? Why did Mohammad aggressively attack and slaughter the Banu Qurayza?:confusedshrug:

[brownmamba00]

It's not propaganda to post the full context of the verse you posted.


If Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare, why did Mohammad lead aggressive military campaigns of conquest across the Arab peninsula during his own life time? Why did Mohammad aggressively attack Mecca? Why did Muslims aggressively commit acts of warfare against the Persians and Egyptians? Why did Mohammad aggressively attack and slaughter the Banu Qurayza?:confusedshrug:


Stop lying. Nobody believes your bullshit. It is easily proven false. All one has to do is read the Koran to see that you are spewing out of context bullshit.
Oh man you really don't know shit do you...Our prophet waged war because the pagan Meccans had a bounty on his head for preaching the word of God and almost even found him when he was escaping Mecca but he sheltered in a cave and by miracle God helped him (you should look up the story if you're really interested)

But when the war was eventually won Muhammad ordered everyone to lay down his weapons before entering and not one innocent man was killed in the siege except for the Banu Quraysh who had betrayed the Muslims multiple times to the Meccans even tho they were supposed to be on the Medinan side.

[Nick Young]

Oh man you really don't know shit do you...Our prophet waged war because the pagan Meccans had a bounty on his head for preaching the word of God and almost even found him when he was escaping Mecca but he sheltered in a cave and by miracle God helped him (you should look up the story if you're really interested)

Is that when Mohammad's magical flying horse woman saved him?
http://www.harekrsna.de/artikel/burak-kamadhenu/Buraq-Muhammad1.jpg



But when the war was eventually won Muhammad ordered everyone to lay down his weapons before entering and not one innocent man was killed in the siege except for the Banu Quraysh who had betrayed the Muslims multiple times to the Meccans even tho they were supposed to be on the Medinan side.
Why did Mohammad lead an aggressive military campaign across the Arab peninsula converting people by the sword?:confusedshrug:

[brownmamba00]

The term Jew didn't even exist those days let alone the Jewish state of Israel.

Like I said before the Children of Israel=People of the Book aka everyone that believes in God.

Brush up your knowledge what kind of a Jew doesn't know their own history:lol

[NumberSix]

The term "Children of Israel" refers to the twelve sons of Jacob and their descendants you dumbass:facepalm

God is speaking to all man kind in that verse.
Which would not include the Muslims. The original Muslims were said to be descended from the tribes of Ishmael, not Isaac (Jacob's father). Those twelve tribes are the Jews.

[imdaman99]

The term Jew didn't even exist those days let alone the Jewish state of Israel.

Like I said before the Children of Israel=People of the Book aka everyone that believes in God.

Brush up your knowledge what kind of a Jew doesn't know their own history:lol
REKT :roll:

Don't worry, he has the power of google :lol

[imdaman99]

When I read my books, I read 1 random sentence at a time. Because that is how books are meant to be read. Amirite?

[NumberSix]

When I read my books, I read 1 random sentence at a time. Because that is how books are meant to be read. Amirite?
It's funny you say that, because as a Muslim, you surely know that the Quran is not in order.

[Nick Young]

The term Jew didn't even exist those days let alone the Jewish state of Israel.

Like I said before the Children of Israel=People of the Book aka everyone that believes in God.

Brush up your knowledge what kind of a Jew doesn't know their own history:lol
stop lying bro.:lol

No one falls for your bullshit and justifications.

[brownmamba00]

Which would not include the Muslims. The original Muslims were said to be descended from the tribes of Ishmael, not Isaac (Jacob's father). Those twelve tribes are the Jews.
:facepalm

Where do Arabs come from?

[NumberSix]

:facepalm

Where do Arabs come from?
Arabia?

[Nick Young]

:facepalm

Where do Arabs come from?
Knowledge and literacy-the true enemies of Islam:roll: :roll: :roll:


All this shit is written in the book.


Muslims using the "Religion of Peace " lie have no way to argue when people actually read the source material.


Notice brownmamba00's use of logical fallacy, deflection tactics and circular arguing-as well as the complete absence of logic in all of his arguments.

[brownmamba00]

Is that when Mohammad's magical flying horse woman saved him?
http://www.harekrsna.de/artikel/burak-kamadhenu/Buraq-Muhammad1.jpg


Why did Mohammad lead an aggressive military campaign across the Arab peninsula converting people by the sword?:confusedshrug:
You are a moron

For real

Do you even know the story that involves 'that creature'?

It has literally nothing to do with the subject I'm discussing

[NumberSix]

Knowledge and literacy-the true enemies of Islam:roll: :roll: :roll:


All this shit is written in the book.


Muslims using the "Religion of Peace " lie have no way to argue when people actually read the source material.
This guy is actually trying to act like "children of Israel" is some ambiguous term that means nobody in particular. C'mon man.

[Nick Young]

You are a moron

For real

Do you even know the story that involves 'that creature'?

It has literally nothing to do with the subject I'm discussing
You mean MoMo's best bro the Buraq?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Muhammad-on-Buraq.jpeg

Yes, I have read the story about the Buraq. It's in the Koran after all.

It is disrespectful to the Buraq to refer to it as "that creature".

Allah Achbar bro, how dare you disrespect Islam:mad:

[Nick Young]

This guy is actually trying to act like "children of Israel" is some ambiguous term that means nobody in particular. C'mon man.
According to him, it means "everyone in the world" and also "the people of the book".


Which is it brownmamba00?


Your tired bullshit doesn't work on people who have actually read the Koran. Time to go to your Imam to learn some more lies and bullshit you can use!

[brownmamba00]

Nothing is worse than a ignorant jew:facepalm

[brownmamba00]

REKT :roll:

Don't worry, he has the power of google :lol
:oldlol:

Yo nicki you got more of that site 'answeringmuslims.com'?

Lmao pathetic

[Nick Young]

:oldlol:

Yo nicki you got more of that site 'answeringmuslims.com'?

Lmao pathetic
All you are doing is continuing your logical fallacies and deflection tactics. You've already proven yourself wrong, kid.:cheers:

[brownmamba00]

Nick Young actively searching on answermuslims.com as we speak to come up with a decent response:lol

@Bush guy Arabs are descendants of Ismael...edit:people of the book refers to Jews, Christians and even Muslims in some cases in the Quran.

I won't respond further...do some research and come back at me. I don't have time for this trolling shit yall are on.

[pauk]

1. If you leave Islam it only means you are not muslim anymore or perhaps a secular/not so devout muslim (something like me, well, i dont go bowing down 5 times a day 24-7 and do fancy beer and stuff) or whatever... you can become a muslim of any level if you want again... unfortunately nothing here allows ANYBODY to take your life / punish you and/or even just show any hostility towards you according to Koran/Islam.
ISIS however disagree ofcourse.

2. If you are homosexual, you are not muslim, unfortunately because it considers it clashes with the "natural" order in which God created human beings, it brings destruction of the family and the institutions of marriage and it leads people to ignore God's guidance in other areas of life.... bad or not, its true Islam doesnt support homosexuality.... unfortunately nothing here allows ANYBODY to take your life / punish you and/or even just show any hostility towards you according to Koran/Islam.
ISIS/Psychos/Terrorists however disagree ofcourse.

3. If you have sex before marriage, its "haram" / not recommended, you are muslim / can be the greatest muslim ever again... unfortunately nothing here allows ANYBODY to take your life / punish you and/or even just show any hostility towards you according to Koran/Islam.
ISIS however disagree ofcourse.

4. If you are a man and dress like a woman, you will be just turning necks and be laughed at (especially if you go Bruce Jenner in the middle-east somewhere).... unfortunately nothing here allows ANYBODY to take your life / punish you and/or even just show any hostility towards you according to Koran/Islam.
ISIS however disagree ofcourse.

5. If you criticize Allah (God) and his prophets (Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Mohamed etc. etc.) & his friends... is basically the same thing as #1, makes you simply a non-Muslim, non-Christian & non-Jew (Abrahamic religions afterall) i guess.... unfortunately nothing here allows ANYBODY to take your life / punish you and/or even just show any hostility towards you according to Koran/Islam. (or the Bible or Torah).
ISIS/Terrorists/Psychos however disagree ofcourse.

6. If you disbelieve Allah (God).... is basically the same thing as #1 and #5 above.




CONCLUSION:

**At the end of day only God can judge you.

**Not true according to ISLAM.

**Very true according to ISIS.

**Islam = Islam = The only Islam in the world, anything else is not Islam.... even if you desperately call it & want it to be "Islam"...

**ISIS = Not Islam = They sure have an ideology, their "caliphate", its their very own creation and ~30.000(?) of those individual psychos share it. Muslims dont consider them muslim or even human, infact they get horribly offended when somebody does (ofcourse, are you ***ing nuts? they give Islam a bad name & they have killed more muslims than anything else).... and those that do call them muslims & what they are doing is Islam are only ISIS themselves and the Islamophobs/those who dont know crap about Islam, which unfortunately is many non-muslims, i personally understand their/your confusion/hate, ISIS are good at provoking that... especially when their satanic cults name is "Islamic" State & they call themselves muslims... but still, the confusion shouldnt be there when you consider they kill anybody who oppose them/think otherwise (even random people, actually its mostly random people)... which is basically 99.999% of muslims and anybody else on Tellus....

[Dresta]

[QUOTE=brownmamba00]The quote is clear as daylight moron what kind of propaganda site are you quoting

Also

[ISHGoat]

Islam and Muslims believe that the worldly life is insignificant compared to the Hereafter (which is eternal).
Being killed is not the worst thing to happen to you. Not even close. The worst thing that can happen is to separate the bond between Creator (Allah) and Creation.
...
Peace.

This is exactly why religions like Islam are so ****ing dangerous.

[L8kersfan222]

Nothing is worse than a ignorant jew:facepalm

You guys brought his violent nature out of him... this is islam, this is it right here, hes exposed

[Nick Young]

What violence have I committed? Calling out Islam for what it is is "violence" now?

[L8kersfan222]

brownmamba00's true nature, you exposed it by hitting him with hard facts

[Nick Young]

brownmamba00's true nature, you exposed it by hitting him with hard facts
he exposes himself alot. He is constantly justifying acts of terrorism committed by Hezbollah, Hamas and ISIS, and is always making excuses for Turkey supporting ISIS.


#thankyouNSA
#SAVEUSPATRIOTACT

[bluechox2]

what else is new...im sure all of ish muslim have done number 3

but it also says in the koran than if you repent right after doing said sin, all your sins will be forgiven

thats why all my muslim friends go out and **** girls, and come back and pray...clean new slate