That awkward moment when a anchor calls the shooters actors... twice.

[UK2K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsHbPGA0PHU

Actors... I mean.. he says it twice plain as day. And even catches himself saying it.

[JohnnySic]

:wtf: How does that happen?

[Draz]

Why would he say actors?

[MMM]

yall are making too much of this

actors as in participants

[oh the horror]

yall are making too much of this

actors as in participants



That's a strange word to use for suspects.

[UK2K]

yall are making too much of this

actors as in participants

Never heard of anyone ever referring to suspects as actors. Ever.

[Nick Young]

Shooters were really white.

Media pinned it on Muslims.

Al Craqa deadlier than ISIS. At least ISIS admits their shit.
What religion were the shooters?:confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

Jesus :facepalm


Actor
[ak-ter]
noun
1.
a person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc.
2.
a person who does something; participant.

[Patrick Chewing]

Jesus :facepalm


Actor
[ak-ter]
noun
1.
a person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc.
2.
a person who does something; participant.


We all know you love those stage plays you queerish mofo.

[UK2K]

Jesus :facepalm


Actor
[ak-ter]
noun
1.
a person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc.
2.
a person who does something; participant.
You've heard suspects called actors in your lifetime? Please, show me a clip or audio soundbite...

Because I have never. Maybe it's a common thing, I don't know, but it'd be cool if you could point me to a few other examples.

[Megabox!]

That is pretty weird, I don't know what to make of it. Really strange

[DonDadda59]

We all know you love those stage plays you queerish mofo.

Real mature, Pat.


You've heard suspects called actors in your lifetime? Please, show me a clip or audio soundbite...

Because I have never. Maybe it's a common thing, I don't know, but it'd be cool if you could point me to a few other examples.

Let's just cut all the foreplay out and get to the nitty gritty... Are you implying that this whole thing was an MSNBC controlled live performance art piece?

What does an anchor using the word 'actor' imply to you?

[UK2K]

Real mature, Pat.



Let's just cut all the foreplay out and get to the nitty gritty... Are you implying that this whole thing was an MSNBC controlled live performance art piece?

What does an anchor using the word 'actor' imply to you?
Not at all.. I just thought it was bizarre. I didn't say anything else about it, did I?

The anchor using the word actor implies he was an actor. Unless he was deliberately going out of his way to not say suspect because the shooter was a Muslim. That, I could see happening.

I guess it's not so common is it?

Were the police and victims actors too, then, according to you? Not victims, actors.

[LJJ]

Clearly all the news anchors are privy to Muhammad Obama's false flag operations to subvert America. They meet every Friday.

[KevinNYC]

yeah, actor doesn't simply mean one who pretends.


Also from the voice, it sounds like the ex-FBI guy MSNBC had on as an analyst yesterday.


I learned recently what this type of thing is called. It's known as anomaly hunting (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/anomaly-hunting/)
[QUOTE]One of the most common and insidious bits of cognitive self-deception is the process of anomaly hunting. A true anomaly is something that cannot be explained by our current model of nature

[DonDadda59]

Not at all.. I just thought it was bizarre. I didn't say anything else about it, did I?

The anchor using the word actor implies he was an actor. Unless he was deliberately going out of his way to not say suspect because the shooter was a Muslim. That, I could see happening.

I guess it's not so common is it?

Were the police and victims actors too, then, according to you? Not victims, actors.

Come on bruh. You started the thread for a very obvious and transparent reason.

Just always remember that jet fuel cannot melt steal beams. :cheers:

[Nanners]

yall are making too much of this

actors as in participants

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actor


one that takes part in any affair

<Benjamin Franklin was a major actor in many of the events leading up to the founding of our nation.>
that awkward moment when OP doesnt know what the word "actor" means

[oh the horror]

It is strange terminology to use for this situation considering how people tend to view these events. I don't generally use the term "actor" to describe participants in a story. I use actors to describe actors in a movie or a play.


That's how most use it too ....well, except apparently this news anchor now.

[DonDadda59]

Benjamin Franklin was a major actor in many of the events leading up to the founding of our nation.

I loved his work in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. And that one fake shooting in Colorado. :applause:

[KevinNYC]

Unless he was deliberately going out of his way to not say suspect because the shooter was a Muslim. That, I could see happening.

I guess it's not so common is it?

Were the police and victims actors too, then, according to you? Not victims, actors.

A suspect is someone suspected of a crime. After you've shot it out with the cops, I think the suspicon goes away.


Also I don't think anyone knew who the shooters were at this point. So how would they know the shooter was a muslim? The news guy they have been caught which sounds like he doesn't know they are dead yet.

[iTare]

Dondadda slaying you over sensitive nerds.

[shlver]

It is strange terminology to use for this situation considering how people tend to view these events. I don't generally use the term "actor" to describe participants in a story. I use actors to describe actors in a movie or a play.


That's how most use it too ....well, except apparently this news anchor now.
No not really. Words have multiple definitions and contextually, the anchor's use of the word actor is perfectly fine and understandable.

[UK2K]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actor


that awkward moment when OP doesnt know what the word "actor" means

The victims were actors too then, correct? That's what you're saying? The police too? We can call them all actors and nobody would think twice.

[UK2K]

A suspect is someone suspected of a crime. After you've shot it out with the cops, I think the suspicon goes away.


Also I don't think anyone knew who the shooters were at this point. So how would they know the shooter was a muslim? The news guy they have been caught which sounds like he doesn't know they are dead yet.

Go back and look at the thread on the shooting.

Even ISH knew one of the shooter's names hours before it was released. Police called it out over the scanner. The employees who worked there knew who it was.

[ISHGoat]

yeah, actor doesn't simply mean one who pretends.


Also from the voice, it sounds like the ex-FBI guy MSNBC had on as an analyst yesterday.


I learned recently what this type of thing is called. It's known as anomaly hunting (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/anomaly-hunting/)


And it's a backwards looking process.

It's related to the hindsight fallacy. After 9/11 occurred anything having to do with planes or flight schools becomes a giant blinking red light.
Before 9/11 it might be one bit of data amongst hundreds, thousands or more. Before 9/11, you might have a bunch of grey dots on a page, you're following your hunch as to which dots are important. After 9/11 you get several points glowing red and you can start connecting this easily. The other dots become less important.

Conspiracy theorists love anomalies because they start with the conclusion first and look backwards.

They don't say. Something happened. Why did it happen?
They say. Something happened and it was the result of a conspiracy.
When you look at something like Loose Change documentary. They cherry-pick dozens of anomalies from the like trillion bits of details that occurred across the country and they build a story out of it. And we love stories and our brains love making connections. (Hence, why Candy Crush is played more than a billion times a day.) So we latch on to the story look for evidence that supports the story. This is a glitch in the human brain, this is why conspiracy theorists appear on the left and the right and among the smart and the dumb. Unless you are rigorous about questioning yourself and remaining skeptical, your brain is going to make that leap.

This is why there's several versions of the Loose Change movie. People pointed out several things that were wrong, they didn't change their conclusion, they made a new edit of the film and just dropped some of the anomalies that didn't support their preexisting conclusion.

Good post from you for once.:cheers:

[shlver]

The victims were actors too then, correct? That's what you're saying? The police too? We can call them all actors and nobody would think twice.
No you idiot. Actor simply means one who commits or does an act. The victims were VICTIMS of the act.

[oh the horror]

No not really. Words have multiple definitions and contextually, the anchor's use of the word actor is perfectly fine and understandable.




I know but we don't run around telling everyone how gay we are because we feel super happy.

[Nanners]

The victims were actors too then, correct? That's what you're saying? The police too? We can call them all actors and nobody would think twice.

What do you mean "thats what you're saying"? I am not saying anything, the dictionary is saying it. I didnt write the definition of the word "actor".

[iTare]

I know but we don't run around telling everyone how gay we are because we feel super happy.
What a dumb comparison. Jesus.

[shlver]

I know but we don't run around telling everyone how gay we are because we feel super happy.
Your example is completely irrelevant. Use of words and deduction of meaning comes from context. I could say "I'm gay because my baby was born" and from context, the sense I used gay in would be understandable.

In the example in the OP, the anchor was referring to the 3 ACTORS who were suspected of committing an ACT.

[KevinNYC]

Go back and look at the thread on the shooting.

Even ISH knew one of the shooter's names hours before it was released. Police called it out over the scanner. The employees who worked there knew who it was.

I just did how does it support what you're saying. From what I saw first mention in the thread was at 10pm. Are there earlier mentions?

How does employees who worked there = equal the analyst in a studio on the East Coast knows?

You just made a pretty big leap.

[UK2K]

I just did how does it support what you're saying. From what I saw first mention in the thread was at 10pm. Are there earlier mentions?

How does employees who worked there = equal the analyst in a studio on the East Coast knows?

You just made a pretty big leap.

The name of the female shooter was said over the police scanners early on in the event.

Also, the people working there knew who he was, and knew he was a 'devout Muslim', so the police obviously knew, since I am pretty positive they would have asked for a name a description from people that worked with him.

I didn't mean the news anchors knew they were Muslim, I meant the fact the shooters were Muslim was known long before it was announced to the public.

[AlphaWolf24]

Can someone explain to me...

WHAT THE F@CK IS GOING ON IN HERE????!!!!!!!!!!





( sorry i dont watch alot of news.....mostly sports and illegally streamed movies)

[UK2K]

No you idiot. Actor simply means one who commits or does an act. The victims were VICTIMS of the act.


Actor
[ak-ter]
noun
1.
a person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc.
2.
a person who does something; participant.

The victims and police were participants, yes? Or were they not there?

[oh the horror]

Your example is completely irrelevant. Use of words and deduction of meaning comes from context. I could say "I'm gay because my baby was born" and from context, the sense I used gay in would be understandable.

In the example in the OP, the anchor was referring to the 3 ACTORS who were suspected of committing an ACT.



No my point is exactly reverent. My point was simple. It's a funny choice of wording considering most do not talk like that.



I've never in my 34 years heard someone anywhere refer to people in a situation as actors. Obviously there are others who haven't as well because it set off something of interest to them.


I sat back and figured it meant something other than what someone would
Figure the word "actor" for because the anchor uses it twice but I still found it funny because your general population doesn't speak that way. The same way most people do not use "gay" to describe "happy".



Dude you do not walk around telling people you were gay about your baby was born. Stop. You, like the majority would simply say happy

There's no debate here. There are words we use in situations and words that do not generally get used. That's all.



An American generally doesn't describe his trash or garbage as rubbish.

[oh the horror]

What a dumb comparison. Jesus.



It's dumb because you have an ape brain. Try to keep up

[shlver]

No my point is exactly reverent. My point was simple. It's a funny choice of wording considering most do not talk like that.



I've never in my 34 years heard someone anywhere refer to people in a situation as actors. Obviously there are others who haven't as well because it set off something of interest to them.


I sat back and figured it meant something other than what someone would
Figure the word "actor" for because the anchor uses it twice but I still found it funny because your general population doesn't speak that way. The same way most people do not use "gay" to describe "happy".



Dude you do not walk around telling people you were gay about your baby was born. Stop. You, like the majority would simply say happy

There's no debate here. There are words we use in situations and words that do not generally get used. That's all.



An American generally doesn't describe his trash or garbage as rubbish.
It doesn't matter if you haven't encountered it. Plenty of people have and it's a perfectly understandable use of the word.

[Nanners]

I've never in my 34 years heard someone anywhere refer to people in a situation as actors. Obviously there are others who haven't as well because it set off something of interest to them.


I sat back and figured it meant something other than what someone would
Figure the word "actor" for because the anchor uses it twice but I still found it funny because your general population doesn't speak that way. The same way most people do not use "gay" to describe "happy".

A lot of people actually do talk that way, especially in academic or professional contexts. I have heard the word "actor" used in this way many times.

[shlver]

The victims and police were participants, yes? Or were they not there?
Yes the victims and police participated IN THE ACT.:hammerhead: Are you in middle school?

[KevinNYC]

The name of the female shooter was said over the police scanners early on in the event.

Also, the people working there knew who he was, and knew he was a 'devout Muslim', so the police obviously knew, since I am pretty positive they would have asked for a name a description from people that worked with him.

I didn't mean the news anchors knew they were Muslim, I meant the fact the shooters were Muslim was known long before it was announced to the public.
Yeah, but you said all that in support of this.


The anchor using the word actor implies he was an actor. Unless he was deliberately going out of his way to not say suspect because the shooter was a Muslim. That, I could see happening.

and it offers no support of this.

[KevinNYC]

A lot of people actually do talk that way, especially in academic or professional contexts. I have heard the word "actor" used in this way many times.
Yeah, and like I said, I think this is the ex-FBI profiler who was speaking. He would be an academic type.

[KevinNYC]

The victims were actors too then, correct? That's what you're saying? The police too? We can call them all actors and nobody would think twice.
The nuanced meaning in this case is the person who sets things in motion

This is why Benjamin Franklin was a major actor in many of the events leading up to the founding of our nation, but some random revolutionary war soldier would not be described that way.

[dude77]

when the fk has anyone on tv .. reporter, analyst yada yada referred to a gunman/suspect/killer as 'actor' .. I've never seen anyone refer to a gunman/suspect/killer as 'actor' .. they've always referred to them as gunman/suspect/killer .. can anyone point to other examples where a gunman/suspect/killer has been referred to as an actor by a reporter/analyst on tv ??

[KevinNYC]

when the fk has anyone on tv .. reporter, analyst yada yada referred to a gunman/suspect/killer as 'actor' .. I've never seen anyone refer to a gunman/suspect/killer as 'actor' .. they've always referred to them as gunman/suspect/killer .. can anyone point to other examples where a gunman/suspect/killer has been referred to as an actor by a reporter/analyst on tv ??

Even if that is true. What does it matter?

[UK2K]

Yeah, but you said all that in support of this.

and it offers no support of this.

And I didn't intend to provide any.


Unless he was deliberately going out of his way to not say suspect because the shooter was a Muslim.

Maybe you read it in a different tone of frame of mind, but I never insinuated they did know and didn't say it.

When you asked about when 'we' (as in people who were following the situation) knew, I pointed out that the shooters name was said over the police scanner hours before it was announced.

[dude77]

Even if that is true. What does it matter?


I've never seen anyone refer to a gunman/suspect/killer as an actor while reporting the story .. it is odd .. whether the word is applicable or not because it also applies to something else ..

everyone is adamant that this applies perfectly to what they're talking about .. so I'm assuming it's been used before ..


so again I ask .. since this fits just fine in this example, can you point me to other examples where a gunman/suspect/killer has been referred to as an actor during a news telecast ? .. I'm sure it's been used before since it fits what they're talking about ? ..

[UK2K]

Even if that is true. What does it matter?

Because this is the first time that anyone has heard a gunman referred to as an actor, EVER, so obviously its going to be questioned.

[KevinNYC]

Maybe you read it in a different tone of frame of mind, but I never insinuated they did know and didn't say it.

OK. That might be the case.


I suspect the speaker may have been trying for some neutral word since so much was unconfirmed. (In doing so, he may have stumbled unknowingly into the crisis actor idiocy.) Shooter could have been a word to use, but I believe at the time, they did't know if the car chase was the shooters or other involved.

[UK2K]

OK. That might be the case.


I suspect the speaker may have been trying for some neutral word since so much was unconfirmed. (In doing so, he may have stumbled unknowingly into the crisis actor idiocy.) Shooter could have been a word to use, but I believe at the time, they did't know if the car chase was the shooters or other involved.

While I don't think our government would set something up like this, it also wouldn't shock me to find out they did given history.

I'm not implying that the speaker was told they were actors and it just slipped his mind. I just thought it rather odd, and ironic given the 'crisis actor' hysteria, that he would refer to them as actors. Twice.

But that's why I didn't say much in the OP. I don't know why he called them what he did, I just thought it was thread worthy. You'll see the video making the rounds on social media today, so it was at least worth a discussion.

[KevinNYC]

everyone is adamant that this applies perfectly to what they're talking about .. so I'm assuming it's been used before ..

You're missing the point. It applies not as some convention of the news business. It applies as part of the English language in the context he was speaking. If he described them as truculent, it would be unusual and perhaps never used before, but it would make sense as English.

We are also referring to a what 30 second clip? This is the perfect example of anomaly hunting. You have no evidence that he or the other commentators didn't refer to this couple by numerous ways.

[KevinNYC]

I just thought it rather odd, and ironic given the 'crisis actor' hysteria, that he would refer to them as actors. Twice.

I'm not sure that the "crisis actor hysteria" is as widely known in the real world as in is on the internet, so this doesn't raise a flag for me.

[oarabbus]

No one has ever heard the term actor used in the context of a crime ('bad actors')? Christ, ISH is dumber than I thought.

[oh the horror]

No one has ever heard the term actor used in the context of a crime ('bad actors')? Christ, ISH is dumber than I thought.



Because people don't talk like that. You and your friends sit around and talk about actors in a story you're telling?

[dunksby]

It's safe to say that the guy who recorded the video and flipped out doesn't have a solid grasp of the language.

[KevinNYC]

Because people don't talk like that. You and your friends sit around and talk about actors in a story you're telling?
And that's one of the many, many differences between how me and my friends talk and how people on a news broadcast talk.

[UK2K]

No one has ever heard the term actor used in the context of a crime ('bad actors')? Christ, ISH is dumber than I thought.

No, never. Never in my years as an MP, or all the years my father was a police officer, did I ever hear anyone refer to a criminal as an actor. Never.

If you have, I'd love to see an example. Like I said, maybe it is common, I don't know. If it is, why are we 5 pages deep with not one example?

[warriorfan]

https://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/1369820729938.gif

[Nick Young]

Neighbor Didn't Report Suspicious Activity of San Bernardino Killers For Fear of Being Called Racist

According to a local Los Angeles news report, a neighbor of San Bernardino massacre suspects Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik didn't report suspicious activity at their apartment for fear of being accused of racism.

This is the same politically correct culture that lead to the Ft. Hood shooting when Nidal Hassan, who had been spouting violent Islamic propaganda to neighbors on post and reaching out to Al Qaeda, was ignored for fear of "Islamaphobia" accusations.


The warning signs were all there: the justification of homicide bombings; the spewing of anti-American hatred; the efforts to reach Al Qaeda ...

But the U.S. military treated Major Nidal Malik Hasan with kid gloves, even after giving him a poor performance review. And though he was on the radar screen of at least one U.S. intelligence agency, no action was taken that might have prevented the Army psychiatrist from allegedly gunning down 13 people and wounding 29 others in the Fort Hood massacre last week.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/12/03/neighbor-didnt-report-suspicious-activity-of-san-bernardino-killers-for-fear-of-being-called-racist-n2088543
:confusedshrug: