Why do liberals defend Islam?

[LikeABosh]

So Republicans are constantly attacked for being racist, sexist, bigots. I wonder how the LGBT, BLM, feminist movements etc. Would fair in Muslim majority countries, let alone countries under Shari'a law

[imdaman99]

Because they are not ignorant and know it's supposed to be a peaceful religion. There are war mongering people who think they are in stages of Jihad. Liberals defend Islam, not the terrorists. No one defends those idiots.

[LikeABosh]

Because they are not ignorant and know it's supposed to be a peaceful religion. There are war mongering people who think they are in stages of Jihad. Liberals defend Islam, not the terrorists. No one defends those idiots.
I don't think you understand. I'm not even talking about terrorism.

[fiddy]

Because they are not ignorant and know it's supposed to be a peaceful religion. There are war mongering people who think they are in stages of Jihad. Liberals defend Islam, not the terrorists. No one defends those idiots.
Well they are retarded, shouldnt be defending any religion, its the 21st century ffs

[UK2K]

Because they are not ignorant and know it's supposed to be a peaceful religion. There are war mongering people who think they are in stages of Jihad. Liberals defend Islam, not the terrorists. No one defends those idiots.

He asked why liberals defend Islam but attack Republicans, despite knowing that if anyone from the LBGQTXCEUY community went to a Muslim country, they'd be hurled from a rooftop or burned alive. Also, liberals cry sexism or whatever the buzz word is this week, but they know women in Muslim countries are treated as slaves and property.

So now... the enemy of your friend is your friend.

[LikeABosh]

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Wake up liberals. Stop defending such horrific homophobia, sexism, bigotry that os widespread throughout Islam.

[Sarcastic]

What a stupid stereotype. I'm liberal, atheist, and don't defend any religions. I think they're all full of shit.

It would be similar to me saying all conservatives are uneducated assholes.

[Derka]

For the same reason passive-aggressive p*ssies troll the internet using stupid stereotypes.

[Town's Town]

So Republicans are constantly attacked for being racist, sexist, bigots. I wonder how the LGBT, BLM, feminist movements etc. Would fair in Muslim majority countries, let alone countries under Shari'a law

Liberals defend their right to religion and at times even have to defend their rights of existence. Not all Muslims are racists, sexists, and bigots, and certainly not all are terrorists. Generalizing them is the problem. However, liberals do not defend the times they are racists, sexists, bigots, or terrorists.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Leftists have a hodgepodge set of hypocritical principles. They will abandon an established stance in a heartbeat if it means getting a chance to be a champion of

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[Nick Young]

Because they are not ignorant and know it's supposed to be a peaceful religion. There are war mongering people who think they are in stages of Jihad. Liberals defend Islam, not the terrorists. No one defends those idiots.
Anyone who has read the Koran know it isn't true.

[9erempiree]

Libs are the worst kind of racists and bigots.

If you are a minority they will feel like you have no backbone and incompetent, that is why they defend them.

"Oh he is gay and we know how gays are...lets defend them"

"Those Muslims...we know how peaceful and spiritual they are and big betas. We will defend them. "

That is the sheep mentAlity that has been ingrained into their little brains.

"We know how black folks are..lets set policies to help them. "

[Patrick Chewing]

Liberalism is a cult, just like Islam is. That's the only logical conclusion I can come to.

[UK2K]

Liberals defend their right to religion and at times even have to defend their rights of existence. Not all Muslims are racists, sexists, and bigots, and certainly not all are terrorists. Generalizing them is the problem. However, liberals do not defend the times they are racists, sexists, bigots, or terrorists.
Ok...

But they won't do the same for Christians. In fact, they mock the idea of praying to God.

So if what you're saying is true, then liberals are being purposefully discriminatory towards Christianity.

And yes, they do defend it. Major Hassan was workplace violence, remember. The man in Oklahoma who cut his coworkers heads off for not converting to Islam, that was workplace violence too.

Any real American can see those instances for what they really are... terrorism. But the left can't even utter the word unless it's associated with a white man.

[LikeABosh]

Liberals defend their right to religion and at times even have to defend their rights of existence. Not all Muslims are racists, sexists, and bigots, and certainly not all are terrorists. Generalizing them is the problem. However, liberals do not defend the times they are racists, sexists, bigots, or terrorists.
That's my point. Why defend them, yet constantly attack conservatives and christians? Go to a bakery in a muslim country under sharia law and ask them to bake you some kind of LGBT themed cake and see what happens.

[Patrick Chewing]

That's my point. Why defend them, yet constantly attack conservatives and christians? Go to a bakery in a muslim country under sharia law and ask them to bake you some kind of LGBT themed cake and see what happens.


Liberals don't think like that. They are self-loathing people who will just tell you that what happens in the Middle East is part of that culture. Utter insanity.

[Nick Young]

It is the liberal logic fallacy-


To a liberal, if someone comes from a group they consider "underprivileged", that person is automatically assumed to always morally be considered in the right compared to someone of a "privileged" group, who is always in the wrong.


IE if someone was gay, they can't be a bigot and they can do no wrong.
if someone is black, they can't be racist and they can do no wrong. If they do something wrong, it's because the system failed them, and they should be absolved of blame.

[Town's Town]

That's my point. Why defend them, yet constantly attack conservatives and christians? Go to a bakery in a muslim country under sharia law and ask them to bake you some kind of LGBT themed cake and see what happens.
Liberals don't agree with many of the beliefs of Islam and will fight against those negative things when they present themselves. But they also believe that people shouldn't be grouped together and assume all from that group are bad. When they see people bashing Muslim people as a whole, that is a negative thing they will speak out against. Unfortunately they can fall in the same trap of generalizing conservatives and Christians, but most when given a moment to think, will say it is that kind of mindset they dislike and not actually all conservatives and Christians.

[Nick Young]

Liberals don't agree with many of the beliefs of Islam and will fight against those negative things when they present themselves. But they also believe that people shouldn't be grouped together and assume all from that group are bad. When they see people bashing Muslim people as a whole, that is a negative thing they will speak out against. Unfortunately they can fall in the same trap of generalizing conservatives and Christians, but most when given a moment to think, will say it is that kind of mindset they dislike and not actually all conservatives and Christians.
Not really though. I never see liberals speaking out against the misogynistic practices in Islamic cultures.

They are afraid to call out Muslims on anything.

Because to a liberal, Muslims are an "oppressed minoriteh"

Except they aren't really, they're the second biggest religion in the world, and also the fastest growing out of all the major religions.

[Town's Town]

Not really though. I never see liberals speaking out against the misogynistic practices in Islamic cultures.

They are afraid to call out Muslims on anything.

Because to a liberal, Muslims are an "oppressed minoriteh"

Except they aren't really, they're the second biggest religion in the world, and also the fastest growing out of all the major religions.
Liberals are also more likely to keep focus on our own country. It is conservatives that tend to push getting involved with other countries. But when Muslims are openly oppressing the LGBTQ in the US, liberals do defend what they believe is right. I think that comes down to a belief of where they think they can make a difference without simply starting war. Liberals also care about starving children in other countries, but you don't see them pushing for welfare programs for other countries, just welfare in the US.

[Nick Young]

Liberals are also more likely to keep focus on our own country. It is conservatives that tend to push getting involved with other countries. But when Muslims are openly oppressing the LGBTQ in the US, liberals do defend what they believe is right. I think that comes down to a belief of where they think they can make a difference without simply starting war. Liberals also care about starving children in other countries, but you don't see them pushing for welfare programs for other countries, just welfare in the US.
Actually, they are constantly pushing for us to take in refugees from other countries and to spend American tax money giving these people from other countries free stuff-it's almost like a....dare I say it....welfare program!

[longtime lurker]

Because Liberals don't bath in their ignorance and stupidity like Republicans and Conservatives do. They understand complexity and employ critical thinking. Liberals don't "defend" Islam as much as they realize how idiotic it is to make blanket statements about 1.7 billion people.

[Town's Town]

Actually, they are constantly pushing for us to take in refugees from other countries and to spend American tax money giving these people from other countries free stuff-it's almost like a....dare I say it....welfare program!
Well maybe that falls in the "where they think they can make a difference" category.

[Nick Young]

Well maybe that falls in the "where they think they can make a difference" category.
They can't make a difference fighting against institutional misogyny and homophobia in Saudi Arabia?:confusedshrug:

[StephHamann]

Because Liberals don't bath in their ignorance and stupidity like Republicans and Conservatives do. They understand complexity and employ critical thinking. Liberals don't "defend" Islam as much as they realize how idiotic it is to make blanket statements about 1.7 billion people.


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[longtime lurker]

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Tell me I'm wrong about Republicans and Conservatives. Just read the garbage that the candidates leading in the polls say. The right wing proudly flies their ignorance.

[StephHamann]

Tell me I'm wrong about Republicans and Conservatives. Just read the garbage that the candidates leading in the polls say. The right wing proudly flies their ignorance.

Stop making blanket statements about people.

[oarabbus]

Well they are retarded, shouldnt be defending any religion, its the 21st century ffs


THIS

One poster has sense here.

Islam, Christianity, shit is dumb.

[imdaman99]

Also, liberals cry sexism or whatever the buzz word is this week, but they know women in Muslim countries are treated as slaves and property.
Actually, that is a fallacy. Indonesia which has the highest population of Muslims, doesn't treat women as slaves or property. There are a few countries where they are, Saudis and Pakistanis and for the most part, a lot of Arab countries I agree, they do treat women like garbage. You can't make a statement like that because it is only partly true.

It is not supposed to be that way. I don't know the exact quote but the Prophet was asked who is the most deserving person of our love, he answered your mother 3 straight times and then his 4th answer was your father. Also, believe he said something to imply that Heaven is under our mother's feet. So we are indeed supposed to respect women. (This does not mean we don't respect someone who is not our mother or a woman who has no kids).

InB4 a NickYoung reply that I won't read :oldlol:

[oarabbus]

Actually, that is a fallacy. Indonesia which has the highest population of Muslims, doesn't treat women as slaves or property. There are a few countries where they are, Saudis and Pakistanis and for the most part, a lot of Arab countries I agree, they do treat women like garbage. You can't make a statement like that because it is only partly true.

It is not supposed to be that way. I don't know the exact quote but the Prophet was asked who is the most deserving person of our love, he answered your mother 3 straight times and then his 4th answer was your father. Also, believe he said something to imply that Heaven is under our mother's feet. So we are indeed supposed to respect women. (This does not mean we don't respect someone who is not our mother or a woman who has no kids).

InB4 a NickYoung reply that I won't read :oldlol:


Google search "womens rights in Indonesia"

Top result: "Indonesian women’s rights under siege"

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/11/indonesia-women-srightsvirginitytestsfemalepoliceofficers.html

btw Imdaman - I have no vendetta against Islam (I have an equal problem with extreme Christianity and any organized religion tbh) and I respect your rights and beliefs but I am going to call out something when I see it.

[imdaman99]

[QUOTE=oarabbus]Google search "womens rights in Indonesia"

Top result: "Indonesian women

[longtime lurker]

THIS

One poster has sense here.

Islam, Christianity, shit is dumb.

See I have zero problem with religion. It's the people that practice it that's the problem. People will commit atrocities and then use religion to justify it.

[Yoda]

See I have zero problem with religion. It's the people that practice it that's the problem. People will commit atrocities and then use religion to justify it.
Equivalent of Jedi turned Sith they are.

[NumberSix]

"Liberals" are in favor of absolutely everything that is destructive to western culture/civilization.

[Nick Young]

Neighbor Didn't Report Suspicious Activity of San Bernardino Killers For Fear of Being Called Racist

According to a local Los Angeles news report, a neighbor of San Bernardino massacre suspects Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik didn't report suspicious activity at their apartment for fear of being accused of racism.

This is the same politically correct culture that lead to the Ft. Hood shooting when Nidal Hassan, who had been spouting violent Islamic propaganda to neighbors on post and reaching out to Al Qaeda, was ignored for fear of "Islamaphobia" accusations.


The warning signs were all there: the justification of homicide bombings; the spewing of anti-American hatred; the efforts to reach Al Qaeda ...

But the U.S. military treated Major Nidal Malik Hasan with kid gloves, even after giving him a poor performance review. And though he was on the radar screen of at least one U.S. intelligence agency, no action was taken that might have prevented the Army psychiatrist from allegedly gunning down 13 people and wounding 29 others in the Fort Hood massacre last week.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/12/03/neighbor-didnt-report-suspicious-activity-of-san-bernardino-killers-for-fear-of-being-called-racist-n2088543

[LJJ]

Actually, that is a fallacy. Indonesia which has the highest population of Muslims, doesn't treat women as slaves or property. There are a few countries where they are, Saudis and Pakistanis and for the most part, a lot of Arab countries I agree, they do treat women like garbage. You can't make a statement like that because it is only partly true.

One Muslim country where the position of women is not particularly bad because of religion. (along with Bosnia and Malaysia I guess? lol. )
Doesn't sound like much of a fallacy then, sounds more like mostly true with a few exceptions.

Indonesia is fairly nice though. I wish more Muslim countries can move in that direction a little.

[DonDadda59]

I thought this was America, home of the free, where we value religious freedom and the right for those religious people to bear arms. :biggums:

[Nick Young]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089





Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds


At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.

Children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated, it said.

The report, commissioned by Rotherham Borough Council, revealed there had been three previous inquiries.

Council leader Roger Stone said he would step down with immediate effect.

Mr Stone, who has been the leader since 2003, said: "I believe it is only right that as leader I take responsibility for the historic failings described so clearly."

Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist
Professor Alexis Jay

The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.

Can anyone guess what religion the rape gang was?

[DonDadda59]

Can anyone guess what religion the rape gang was?

Ooooooh, were they Catholic? They were Catholic right? Catholic priests, yes? :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Ooooooh, were they Catholic? They were Catholic right? Catholic priests, yes? :confusedshrug:
Were they Mormons? Were they scientologists? Were they Christians? Were they Jews?

Who knows!


Does anyone know what religion this Pakistani rape gang in Rotherham was?:confusedshrug:

[StephHamann]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089






The mayor of that english shithole was a leftie (labour party), mhm strange.

[Nick Young]

Actually, that is a fallacy. Indonesia which has the highest population of Muslims, doesn't treat women as slaves or property. There are a few countries where they are, Saudis and Pakistanis and for the most part, a lot of Arab countries I agree, they do treat women like garbage. You can't make a statement like that because it is only partly true.

It is not supposed to be that way. I don't know the exact quote but the Prophet was asked who is the most deserving person of our love, he answered your mother 3 straight times and then his 4th answer was your father. Also, believe he said something to imply that Heaven is under our mother's feet. So we are indeed supposed to respect women. (This does not mean we don't respect someone who is not our mother or a woman who has no kids).

InB4 a NickYoung reply that I won't read
rent free, bitch.:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

One Muslim country where the position of women is not particularly bad because of religion. (along with Bosnia and Malaysia I guess? lol. )
Doesn't sound like much of a fallacy then, sounds more like mostly true with a few exceptions.

Indonesia is fairly nice though. I wish more Muslim countries can move in that direction a little.
Bosnia is not a Muslim "country". It has a majority Christian population.

[DonDadda59]

Does anyone know what religion this Pakistani rape gang in Rotherham was?:confusedshrug:

I'll take who are Catholic priests for $1,000.

[Nick Young]

I'll take who are Catholic priests for $1,000.
I accept this wager, geezer.:cheers:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Nice strawman, OP. You're obviously looking for a sensible debate. :rolleyes:

Americans have the Constitutional right to worship whatever imaginary sky fairy they please without fear of persecution. The act of blaming millions of people (and seeking revenge on them) for the actions of a few is abhorrent to me as well.

Beyond that, I don't endorse Islam in any way. Bronze age fairy tales have long outlived their usefulness IMO, but if people want to continue clinging to these relics from the past, they should be allowed to do so without fear of discrimination.

[Nick Young]

Nice strawman, OP. You're obviously looking for a sensible debate. :rolleyes:

Americans have the Constitutional right to worship whatever imaginary sky fairy they please without fear of persecution. The act of blaming millions of people (and seeking revenge on them) for the actions of a few is abhorrent to me as well.

Beyond that, I don't endorse Islam in any way. Bronze age fairy tales have long outlived their usefulness IMO, but if people want to continue clinging to these relics from the past, they should be allowed to do so without fear of discrimination.
The Bronze Age was from 3300 to 1200 BC.

Do you even know when Islam was founded, bro?:confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Nice strawman, OP. You're obviously looking for a sensible debate. :rolleyes:

Americans have the Constitutional right to worship whatever imaginary sky fairy they please without fear of persecution. The act of blaming millions of people (and seeking revenge on them) for the actions of a few is abhorrent to me as well.

Beyond that, I don't endorse Islam in any way. Bronze age fairy tales have long outlived their usefulness IMO, but if people want to continue clinging to these relics from the past, they should be allowed to do so without fear of discrimination.
Define "discrimination".

[ThePhantomCreep]

The Bronze Age was from 3300 to 1200 BC.

Do you even know when Islam was founded, bro?:confusedshrug:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_objections

[ThePhantomCreep]

Define "discrimination".

Exhibit A: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/19/donald-trump-says-would-absolutely-implement-muslim-database-if-elected/


Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump voiced support Thursday evening for creating a mandatory database to track Muslims in the United States — the latest in an escalating series of responses following the deadly attacks in Paris.

Exhibit B: The calls for revenge by right-wing nut jobs every time there's a terrorist attack. Revenge on the perpetrators of the attack is fine; revenge attacks on innocent civilians is not.

[LikeABosh]

Why are liberals such ****ing pseudo-intellectuals? It's nauseating.

[DonDadda59]

The Bronze Age was from 3300 to 1200 BC.

Do you even know when Islam was founded, bro?:confusedshrug:

All those Abrahamic religions are a rip off of Zoroastrianism doe... so technically, he has a point. :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

All those Abrahamic religions are a rip off of Zoroastrianism doe... so technically, he has a point. :confusedshrug:
Not every Abrahamic religion encourages it's followers to die as martyrs and kill in the name of spreading their religion though.

So he only has a point if you ignorantly believe all Abrahamic religions to be the same.

[NumberSix]

Exhibit A: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/19/donald-trump-says-would-absolutely-implement-muslim-database-if-elected/
I think he was referring to incoming Muslim refugees. I could be wrong though. I'm not an avid trump follower.


Exhibit B: The calls for revenge by right-wing nut jobs every time there's a terrorist attack. Revenge on the perpetrators of the attack is fine; revenge attacks on innocent civilians is not.
You just made that up. That's not a thing.

[DonDadda59]

Not every Abrahamic religion encourages it's followers to die as martyrs and kill in the name of spreading their religion though.

So he only has a point if you ignorantly believe all Abrahamic religions to be the same.

All part of the same game of telephone bullshit IMO. Thanks a lot, Zoroaster. :rolleyes:

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think he was referring to incoming Muslim refugees. I could be wrong though. I'm not an avid trump follower.


You just made that up. That's not a thing.

Why do you constantly play dumb? There were calls for vigilante justice in the San Bernardino shooting thread.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/18/hate-crimes-against-muslims-rise-in-us.html

Yeah, I just made that up....clown. :facepalm

Then you have Ted Cruz, a top GOP candidate, calling for air strikes with more “tolerance for civilian casualties” following the Paris attacks. Translation: Kill everyone in sight, bomb them all to hell. Even the top wingnuts are lunatics.

[yobore]

Liberals see the bigots they are used to kneejerk reacting against attacking Muslims and they assume Islam is therefore worth defending.

Somehow criticism of Islam is racist and treated differently than other religions. Islam is worse than Scientology at least Hubbard wasn't a pedophile and murderer. Islam should be ridiculed as much if not more than the rest because not only does it include all the bullshit Christians and Jews believe, they then add a bunch of stuff, putting on a pedestal a man and text full of really bad and violent advice on how to live your life. Compared to present-day humans and morality, Muhammad is simply a bad person. If you are really liberal look at what is in the Quran and Hadith. It is OK to respect people and still openly think their religion is absurd, even if they're not white Christians.

[oarabbus]

We have a problem with the radicalization of American Muslims. Syed Farook, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Nidal Hasan, Elton Simpson, Nadir Hamid Soofi, and Muhammad Abdulazeez all started out as normal American Muslims and became radicalized. I don't know what the solution to that problem is, but we can't deny it exists.

Thoughts?